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I have to say that this season I am more unsure than ever about what is really going on. And that is saying a lot because Season 2 really came out of left field for me. Season 1, I was focused on the jewelry Tim was buying up and the grave-robbing scheme that Teddy and Theo were involved in, and had no idea that Tim was murdered Season 2, I was focused on Charles' father's story and the painting . Although I did appreciate that the season was referencing the podcast murder that had initially brought the trio together. Season 3 I enjoyed, for all of the theatre insider stuff, and the Broadway production and how crazy that all can be. I had all kinds of crazy theories about Loretta and who her real son was, and it turned out that the solution was not crazy but pretty straightforward. This season I have a guess as to who the murderer might be, I've had it from episode one, but only for reasons outside of the show. I still have no idea of the "why." I hope I'm not disappointed with the resolution, as I enjoy the world this show has created. However, they do make it very difficult (for me) to figure out what the heck is going on.

I feel the same about Howard as you do about Paul Rudd.

I'm wondering a lot about the entire rent-control scheme. Dudenoff said that he and his wife "bought" all of these apartments over the years, and he started sharing them with the "Westies" after she passed away. But if they bought those apartments, wouldn't they own them? (Like owning a condo?) Wouldn't they be allowed to charge whatever rent they wanted? (AKA $200 per month.). AND, if they owned them, couldn't he have just willed all of those apartments to the Westies, and they wouldn't have to worry about being caught in a rent-control scheme? I'm pretty sure he said that they bought the apartments. I guess he could have meant that they signed leases on all of them but he didn't say that. This just seems unnecessarily complicated to me, but this show does go there.

Is it too early to have named the killer? I'm trying to remember when we were certain in the other seasons. Was it always episode 8 or was it 9, and then the denouement? At any rate I'll be very sad if Glenn is behind all of "this." Could be why he acts like he's seeing rats, to cover up his true motives. I always try to watch the episodes when they drop, because I am not good with delayed gratification. I have to say, I didn't feel like this episode was worth staying up for. Last week's was, but not this one. It was okay, and I kind of loved that they went to the movie set of Charles' apartment to plan their next move. Also a shallow note, but I would have loved to live in Dudenoff's studio apartment. He had a very nice setup. Ah well, only two episodes left, and it's not looking like I know anything at all about anyone's motivations for killing Sazz or Charles or any of the trio. The tragedy is that after this is ove, it will be another year to wait for the next one. #greedy.

Noa's sense of morality was deeply influenced by his father Isak. He adored Isak (and Isak adored him) and wanted to be like him. Losing Isak the way he did had to have been a crushing blow. And Noa's mother seemed so selfless and innocent to him. To find out that someone like Hansu is his biological father must have been devastating. He had seen him beat a man almost to death. And it altered his idea of his mother (sex outside of marriage etc.) He loves her but cannot face her knowing her secret. I was devastated for him, and honestly could not stand his girlfriend. Not that I advocate violence against women, but I think I might have raised a hand to her myself, just to knock that stupid grin off her face.

Complaining about security cameras being installed makes her look suspicious, and she has always hated the trio, her first appearance in the show she's flipping the bird at Charles. While I think a lot is going on with her, I don't see her as Sazz's killer, but I do see her as putting the note on Oliver's door. Not sure if I like her for poisoning Winnie though. I also don't know if she would be able to get cameras installed in their apartments. We know the Brothers Sisters installed some, but someone else did too. Who has easy access to all of the apartments? Oscar's father (not seen since season 1). The doorman. Anyone who knows about the secret passageways. Another unanswered question from Season 1 was the enormous diamond ring that Tim Kono had shipped to himself, that Charles and Mabel took out of Bunny's apartment. It was never explained who Tim got that for. I know he was buying jewelry to find the ring that Zoe was wearing the night she died, so he could prove Oscar's innocence. But that ring seemed like a separate thing. Could be nothing. #Fridaymorningramblings

I have been suspicious of Loretta from the beginning, but in this episode she encouraged Mabel to work with the actors because actors are like detectives in that they try to figure out their characters' motivations, etc. And darned if they didn't come through for our trio. I don't think Loretta would want to be helpful in the investigation if she were involved. (Although, Jan inserted herself into the investigation in season 1 and tried to point them toward Howard. Hey, wait a minute ...) I guess anything is possible with this team of writers, but I guess I'm moving Loretta to the bottom of my suspect list. For now.

Thank you, I think you're right. And now back to discussing the episode! I was disappointed to not see Theo this episode. He has been in every episode 7 since the first season. So maybe he won't be in this season. Sad.

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What article?

🤣 Love this!

The trio had braids.

It's possible his mother remarried or had another relationship after Charles's father. There is a big age gap between the two siblings.

I love Melissa McCarthy. And also, season one is referenced again! #whopoisonedwinnie

The I letters do not match in each message. In the note to Jan, the I letters are straight lines, in the message on Charles's phone they have a cross (serif) on them. To me, only the words are the same, it doesn't look like the same handwriting. (The A characters are different too.)

I thought Howard showed up at the end of episode one with Gravey because Mabel had figured out that he was barking in Charles' apartment due to a dead body having been there. When the trio returned from California, I got the impression they had asked Howard to come over and help them by bringing Gravey, As for when we first met Gravey, Howard had the story of trying to adopt another cat, but the shelter wouldn't let him. (Which refers to a line in a previous season where he said the new cat was names "Sevelyn" for seventh cat. Maybe cats don't last long with Howard (🧐) and the shelter is suspicious of that.) Like you, I don't see him as the "kingpin" either, or even wittingly working for the kingpin. But I didn't find him showing up at Charles' apartment with Gravey when they returned from Hollywood, as suspicious, because I thought they had called him. (The kingpin is Uma! 😆)

Does Charles know where Jan is? I thought she said she was headed to Florida when she left his apartment in the second episode. Other than that, I don't think he has a clue as to where she is.

It should be 10 episodes, like the other seasons. I don't see where it says on Hulu that it will be 8. My Hulu shows that 6 episodes are available, but doesn't say anywhere that there will be 8. Only 8 titles have been released for the episodes. They have not released the names of episode 9 or 10.

I watched this episode right when it dropped at midnight, and I was taken by how long a segment they showed with no ads. I do not have the ad free Hulu plan. I think they did it just for the premier episode and only for the first 12 hours it was available, because when I rewatch it now, it has more ads. But my initial viewing was uninterrupted. I had ads before the show started and at the very end. *Shrugs*

While I find it appalling that someone would need to have replacement joints replaced (such an ordeal the first time around), apparently they do have a lifespan that may be shorter than the recipient's. How long do artificial joints last? They found encouraging results: Nearly 60% of hip replacements lasted 25 years, 70% lasted 20 years, and almost 90% lasted 15 years. Total knee replacements lasted even longer: 82% lasted 25 years, 90% lasted 20 years, and 93% lasted 15 years. I guess the artificial joints found in the ashes may be there because they were tossed in there, and not because someone's body was cremated there, I am curious as to why the show took such trouble to show us the front of the box of Sazz's remains. It says Authorized by DB, and for the life of me, I can't think who DB is. Someone less technologically challenged than I am may be able to create a screen grab of the box, but it was so pointedly put in front of the camera, that I think it might be a clue. What do you think?

He has said that the pink eye is antibiotic resistant and goes back and forth between his eyes. But ... he could be lying I guess.

It was dark in Charles's apartment, so even with cameras, they could have mistaken Sazz for Charles. When were the cameras installed? Before the trio signed their life rights away? Seems that WOULD be illegal.

Still stuck on Sazz knowing about the movie before the trio did and that she thought there was a "problem" with it. That seems to make her the target. However, she was shot in Charles's apartment and had been trying to warn him about something. It seems unlikely she was the actual target, and yet, there is evidence that someone wanted to prevent her from sharing what she knew. I don't know what's happening, or why Charles should be in danger. It's hard for me to remember all of the things we've been told or shown. Just when I think I have a line on the story, someone will point out something that sends me off in a different direction. Another new episode at midnight tonight. Maybe we'll get some answers then. (Ha ha!)

I agree and feel like Season 2 was the most egregious example of this. I like to figure it out too but have decided to just enjoy the universe they have created, covet Charles' apartment, and come here to discuss. ☺️

I doubt they are listening unless viewership is affected. IF they start losing viewers, then they might consider changing things up. There are enough in-jokes in the show to make me realize that they are reading the criticisms or the opinions of the audience, but maybe not enough to change their process. #whopoisonedwinnie I don't know about a rule for too many red herrings, but there is the rule of fair play in which a mystery writer is supposed to give the reader/audience the ability to figure it out from what is on the screen/page. I felt that they didn't do that in Season 2. They were misleading the audience in that one. Happens to be my least favorite of the seasons. I'm enjoying the movie references in this season and the guest characters. The only one I could do with less of is Howard, and wish they had focused more on other side characters from season 1. We haven't seen Theo yet, or Will. I like those characters.