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PRESENT! So happy to be able to celebrate with you all! And yes, we should be celebrating because ... WE did that! Seethe Goffman ... SEETHE.

We laughed (sadly) at that comment for a good 45 seconds. What an asswipe.

House Hunters was smart enough to wait until the end of the episode to reveal the "wedding paraphernalia room", because I would have deleted the episode immediately if that was to be the central theme. I'm sure she loves it, but it seems really self indulgent and obnoxious to me.

I didn't dislike either party really, but I am very curious as to why the episode ended so abruptly. Neither party would agree to appear on camera? I agree that Harold is young and wanted a young hot woman, and I can't really fault him for that. He might exclusively be in to light girls, that is his right (even though it does rub me the wrong way PERSONALLY, but people are gonna like who they're gonna like), and such as is always the case with this show, it's always awkward to hear people fumble over their true feelings and opinions about the person who deceived them--sometimes yes, they aren't attracted to them because they are fat or whatever. It's hurtful, but it's honest. Tamila wasn't unattractive at all, but she had no filter, her personality was rude, she had terrible hair and didn't look tidy or well groomed. She looked like she doesn't really care about herself at all, and spends all of her time on the internet being dishonest to guys she thinks she wouldn't have a chance with in real life. I just don't understand why people appear on camera looking like they just rolled out of bed. I mean, why? She couldn't brush her hair and wear clothes that actually fit? If you're trying to impress someone, why not put forth your best effort? I liked Angel and wouldn't even mind catching her new show with Nev, but I'm ready for Max to come back.

So you sink a show and drive it to near cancellation, and you get rewarded with a development deal. Hollywood is a cesspool.

I also googled, and saw that not only is it a mail order only business, but there was only one whopping Yelp review on the bakery--just didn't seem all that successful to me, certainly not enough to open up a location in Los Angeles, which seems like a wasted effort, given all of the broken dreams of previous bakery owners who tried to cash in on the cupcake/cake pop craze five years ago. I have a question--the internet (meaning, here at previously) told me that HGTV gives homeowners 25k towards renovation, but I'm starting to question that. The Los Angeles family featured recently (four daughters, homeschooled) said that they had a $30k budget, and that his parents generously gave them the $30k. Then they went over another $10k and said that the parents gifted them that money too, so where does the HGTV allowance come in?

Reading the news about Minority Report and seeing that Fox is casting another Black actress (Meagan Goode) in the lead role just makes me furious and distrustful of the network. I'm happy for Meagan and more diversity in primetime is definitely a step in the right direction, but Fox bungled SH and screwed an entire cast of minority actors for NO reason other than they didn't respect their fanbase and thought our advertising dollars weren't good enough. Why should I give them another chance if they cancel SH?

I agree, and this is someone who thinks that Ichabbie have amazing chemistry and are probably each other's soulmates. However, I'm just not interested in seeing it play out on the show at this time. Buddy action serials should be about the work, the cases, the people they are trying to save, with their personal lives taking a backseat. Plus, is there anything better than suppressed sexual chemistry, the longing glances, the "will they or won't they" moments? NO. We are running a marathon, not a sprint, and if Ichabbie are meant to be, then it needs to be a slow burn getting there. I have had enough of Ichabod screaming about the woman he loves and his chil'ren and whatnot. It wasn't a good look when it was about Katrina, and it won't be attractive with Abbie either.

I may or may not have watched this episode three times. In the last episode thread, I feared that we would get an actual and real "reset", rewriting the history of the characters and Abbie being a Marty McFly time travel victim. I didn't want that to be the case because I liked Ichabod and didn't want to see that iteration of him go away (see Fringe, season 4). However, now I'm thinking that might not have been such a bad idea. I was never an Ichabbie shipper per se, but DAMN, 18th century Ichabod was a revelation! Self assured, capable, witty, snarky ... my god. So hot. And so much chemistry with Abbie simmering below the surface. For this reason, I didn't think "The Hug" was noteworthy at all, but that's because there were so many great, intense moments leading up to that. The Hug just could not ever compare to Ichabod getting in her face in the carriage. Never, not in 200 years. That stare, that moment, it made me a Ichabbie stan. (Though I stand firm that their coupling needs to happen in the last season, hopefully about 4 or 5 years from now.) Tom Mison is brilliant, because there was definitely a clear and distinct difference in portrayal with past Ichabod and current/out of time Ichabod and ... I think I like the former better. The look of bored determination on Abbie's face as she choked the soldier guy into unconsciousness made me feel tingly inside. Also so hot. Thanks Nicole, these feelings are completely new to me. Ah, this episode gets more satisfying and epic each additional time I watch it. When Katrina succumbed to her well deserved puncturing, I whispered/tweeted, "Well now she can nap for eternity." And I mean it, nap on, nap long, nap strong, Struggle Witch. I don't even care that she looks like she was being reunited in some sort of heavenly bliss with Jenry, who certainly should be roasting over an open flame for all of the trouble he caused--but you know, I'll take it. Whatever. The only good Katrina is a filleted Katrina, so let her have crumpets and tea for eternity with her spawn.

Tom doesn't really engage the Twitter and Tumblr fandom of Sleepy Hollow, but I love it when he gives us little shout outs in interviews--letting us know that he's paying attention! I'm a wee bit disappointed in the ratings, was hoping for a bigger bump. However, the show got a huge bump the week before, so I guess it's great that they've stopped the bleeding and viewers are no longer fleeing in horrified droves. After all we've done, after all we've suffered, Fox BETTER give this show one more chance at redemption. We DESERVE it and so does the cast.

Ichabod Crane RPG twiiter account: https://twitter.com/NoFirstIShotHim He is simply delightful. His tears are even more delicious reading it post finale.

West Coast viewer checking in! AND CHEERS RESOUNDED IN THE LAND OF OZ. Girl. Bye.

What what what? Why does it have to be this way? WHY? Does anyone complain about The Good Wife being too white? Or Bones, or Supernatural, or Parenthood or The Mentalist or any of the other dozens upon dozens of shows with predominantly white casts? So tired of having to explain away stuff like this, it's life, we exist, and they will deal with it. If I can watch any of the shows above and not get agitated when I'm confronted with endless white representation, then those mouth breathers can do the same when they have a grand total of THREE Black people on one show. I mean for crying out loud, they still got their alpha white male lead, wtf are they complaining for? I like the climate of television right now and all of the variety we have, it reminds me highly of the time I considered to be the renaissance of television--Roseanne, A Different World, Martin, Living Single, The Golden Girls, Cosby, Friends, Seinfeld, NYPD Blue, etc--where there's something for EVERYONE to watch. I love White people, but I don't want to watch every single show be about them finding creative ways to shoot the shit in New York. Please, diversity is great for us all.

Yes Tom, my britches are firmly buckled and in no danger of falling! Great interview! I like that he pointed out that you can be completely invested in Ichabbie in a non romantic kind of way, which a lot of us are!

IMDB is like the founding father of internet trolling and bigotry. Please don't risk your health and your faith in humanity by visiting those forums, it's the reason why TWOP and other "mature" forums like this one were created. Topic! I'm going to be HEAVY on my Sleepy Hollow grind today. I haven't been this excited for an episode of any show in months.

I have zero trust in Goffman, and I think that Fox should quietly displace him as a show of good faith towards the fans. I'm just not even sure why someone who clearly failed at his job on nearly every level would have any job security to begin with, but I don't pretend to understand the way Hollywood works. I was a soap viewer for 20 years where they recycled the same showrunners until they literally almost killed the genre, so I'm used to the rampant incompetence that persists. In other Sleepy news, Trollando is on his job and dragging certain parts of the fandom, Fox, etc. A new high, even for him: http://theorlandojones.tumblr.com/post/111709215398/the-hollowburg-address-twenty-five-score-and

Okay, I'm all in now, so Fox better not let me down! For the first time since probably the season 2 premiere, I'm going to make sure I watch live and tweet while watching with the rest of the fans. We're going to get renewed and have an epic viewing/social media celebration, or we're getting cancelled and will go down swinging, passionate, and making sure every showrunner involved goes down with the show. Either way, I'm here for it.

I am vehemently against Cookie and Lucifer, but I will make an exception tonight because Boo Boo Kitty tried it and Cookie needed to FINISH it. I will put up with a lot of shady shit on my TV show -- murder, theft, lying -- but you don't mess with somebody's sobriety! Line crossed, shots fired. Damn poor Elle. I guess they needed to have BBK doing something incredibly unforgivable for the audience to be accepting of getting it in. "I love you Cookie." You right, you right ...

I am suddenly kicking myself for erasing all of the episodes (in disgust) merely seconds after I watched them, because now I need to see the gorgon scene again. How was it revealed that it was an ancestor of Abbie's? Was "Dixon" written somewhere? And weren't there other statues down there, are they all going to be freed too? I mean, if this is the way the story will go.

I just gasped.

Yes, bringing the show back to season 1 levels of greatness is hardly fan service, it's .... you know, giving the VIEWERS the show that they SIGNED UP FOR. I didn't sign up for Days of Our Cranes.

Trollando was on fire last night and in rare form, I loved it! He had NO chill toward the showrunners.

Okay, I watched this last night and tweeted a bit, but I needed to get my feelings and emotions together. I agree with what everyone else has been saying on both sides--I both loved it and it frustrated me, because it took the most extreme circumstances for this lazy ass showrunning team to finally pull their heads from their collective asses and WRITE, and we've all suffered unncessarily. This should have been building up ALL SEASON, from the moment they bungled up the Moloch story (they couldn't even allow our team the honor of actually stopping the apocalypse, I will NEVER forgive them for that!), this should have been the path. Katrina thinking that she'd lost Henry for good, slowly causing her to go mad. This would have kept her away from the Witnesses, allowed Ichabod to focus on his job and rebuilding his life, and keeping Abbie front and center as the ass kicking Queen that she was meant to be. The consistent B-plot truly should have been about Irving and the battle for his freaking soul. The fake death, the stupid amulet that made him "human" when the plot called for it, his deteriorating relationship with Team Witness and his family as they grow more suspicious of him, sneaking around with Henry while Abbie is forced to do his bidding because he should have still been her boss--THIS should have been his story! God, I'm so ANGRY that so much time was wasted on demon babies and Hawley, when we had the true meat of the story all along! Lyndie and Orlando have CRAZY chemistry, and this could have been a way for the writers to explore that (giving them the great romance that they seem so desperate to write), and keeping the original cast involved, front and center. Of course it's too late for all of that now, but I think of the possibilities and all of these wonderful themes and tropes used in last night's episode, and I can't even believe that they wasted so many opportunities. I'm not sure if I can ever trust these writers to do the right thing from here on out. That being said ... I have to move on, I get that. So I will acknowledge that the episode kept me on the edge of my bed and the sudden course correction is one I can get behind if it means the show is renewed, refreshed, and set on the right path once again. It kind of felt like an apology letter to the fans--yes, even Ichatrina fans--and I suppose I have no choice but to accept it, so some positives: I love John Noble. I am a Fringe fanatic and seeing Henry getting shot through the heart made the Walter Bishop fan in me cringe a bit--but Jenry was NO Walter, and his death was half of a two part sacrifice necessary for FIXING THIS SHOW. My favorite, FAVORITE scene of the night was a very fed up, very exasperated Ichabod basically echoing the thoughts of probably every tv viewer watching, "No one abandoned you Henry ... you little shit!" If this was an HBO show, of course, but still, the unspoken insult did not get past many of us, and I appreciated that. I don't like kids on my primetime shows, and that goes for Tweenior Citizens and their Mummy/Daddy issues. There really was no place for Jenry here, and his time was up. Good riddance, burn or don't burn in hell--I simply don't care anymore. BYE. The whiff of desperation from the writers! "We haven't forgotten about Abbie, Jenny, their ancestors, the Dixons, etc." But PROVE IT. So they toss out a casual reference of the petrified Dixon statue left down in the caves, promising an exploration of that story and that character if the show is renewed. I APPROVE. Legacy Witches being awoken in Sleepy Hollow, expanding the universe and giving the characters a chance to interact and have dialogue with more than the same five people every week. I APPROVE. Abbie and Ichabod mentioning the text from Jefferson's hide out, and actively seeking down the information that they lost. I APPROVE. Katrina irrevocably blowing up her spot, her place on the show, her place in Ichabod's life--I APPROVE. At this point, I don't even care how we got here, we're here and that's all that matters. If the show continues on in the future and will be great again, I can just pretend that season 2 doesn't even exist. Like season 6 of Supernatural. I'm excited for next week, and I want to see Abbie be the hero and FIX EVERYTHING that the Cranes screwed up. I get from here and on Twitter that people didn't like that Abbie was being so aggressive with her 18th century apprehenders, but for once, I kind of see where the writing team was going with this. It's a very sensitive topic, yet this is still a fantasy show. I know how bad things WOULD have been for her back then, but I don't care to watch it play out, I'm not here to watch Abbie being Solomon Northup'd. No girl, no. Abbie is a natural fighter and it was in character for her to question what was happening and to not be totally submissive and on her knees, kneeling before these dudes. I don't want them to pick THIS story to suddenly decide that historical accuracy is a thing on this show, no thank you. Finally, I'm a little bit sad. I get that this had to happen, a reset is desperately needed--but this is the last time we're going to see THAT Ichabod and THAT Jenny and Irving, and no matter what, if/when Abbie gets back to present day, they will be totally different versions of themselves, and that makes me despair. I don't want Abbie to be Marty McFly, and remembering certain events that happened in her life that she won't be able to share with anyone else, because those events never happened to them. I'm hoping that the writers will figure out a way to preserve the first season of this show, while eliminating what happened in the second? Possible?

You know what? YOU KNOW WHAT? I will no longer accept this selfish TWIT being locked in the past, redeemed, killed, or anything else. I want ABBIE to handle her. I'ma need Abbie to FINISH HER. The tears, the anguish, the SACRIFICE. They listened to you SO HARD that the show is on the verge of cancellation, you twit. Instead of you just losing YOUR job, everyone will be unemployed. But yeah, everything is just great. I'm quite certain Corbin being relieved of his head would disagree. I mean, he didn't need it anyway. My pressure is dangerously high right now ... What? How girl? HOW? If Ichabod has betrayed anyone it is ABBIE and the entire team witness crew! He let them ALL down precisely because he chose to follow YOU and your plan, to the detriment of his responsibilities to his JOB and his true purpose of being here! You get a free pass out of purgatory, your son saved, you get headless back, you get a cabin, a new wardrobe, and can lay around on your lazy, struggling ass all day napping and sighing and completely failing at all things Witch and Craft, while Abbie and Ichabod are trying to save the world with you interfering and negating their mission every step of the way! Is this real life? I mean it's not, but I swear she is just Katrina now. Nasty and thirsty and entitled as hell. Well, as long as they have your freaking approval ... The THIRST. She is practically dehydrated at this point. Abbie, FINISH HER.

Good Katrina literally has five votes, and that's probably Goffman, Katia, and a couple of their siblings.