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I think there is a lot about the story that doesn't actually add up. but that part didn't stick out as a problem. For one, he had Creighton imprisoned for a significant time in terms of the progress of the ZA, so it's entirely possible he had not been exposed to the infection. Also, unless I misheard, I didn't get the impression that he attempted to turn himself in immediately after his prisoner died, It seems like there was an undefined period of time that passed while he himself was in rough mental shape.

This has been bugging me like crazy. The first two seasons made this work within it's universe when she was local law-enforcement but as much as I love the idea that Abbie pursued her ambitions and joined the FBI, it has also produced a huge degree of WTFuckery every time Ichabod strolls through a crime-scene in her company. At least the show is starting to somewhat address the disconnect between her duties as a witness vs her responsibilities as an FBI agent with Daniels revealing that Jenny and Joe have connected with the subject of an investigation. Even though that doesn't address Ichabod per se, it does address a broader version of the same issue.

I think they laid some groundwork for Abbie dating someone when Joe gave Ichabod a heads-up over the Mills sisters tendency to match-make. I heard that as potential breadcrumbs for Abbie getting set up with someone by Jenny. I do think whether or not they show her dating life, we are going to hear a bit about her boundaries in all relationships and with men in particular now that her father is about to be a factor in her life. I do want to see her date someone, even if it goes nowhere in the long run. Maybe she doesn't seem the type, but nonetheless she seems to end relationships rather than move on to serious commitments. What we've heard of her past with Reynolds could fall under a fling. I think she's open to a relationship, and doesn't go into dating with her exit plan in mind, but there always seems to be a sound reason for her why it won't work out after a while. I agree. Dating for either of them is not going to be anything more than a c-level plot, unless it happens to play into a particular episode's storyline. (Ie poor Caroline.) I do think if the show stays on the air, they will go OTP with them, precedent be damned. Their chemistry on all levels is what makes the show click. Even fans who oppose pairing them usually feel that way because they don't want their dynamic interfered with. (By fans, I mean actual fans, not freakshows who need to see a particular anti-Abbie agenda fulfilled.) So far, anything I've seen this season that points away from Ichabbie in the short term also sets things up for a credible, grounded pairing in the long run. Frankly, there is no room for either of them to have a dating life that is much more than small hit and run scenes unless it's with one another. I tended to read it as Abbie having a lot of automatic acceptance of Katrina based on her status as Cranes' wife as well as her history when contacted in purgatory of offering helpful information. I think as time went on and Katrina repeatedly showed herself as unreliable due to her limitations and personal agenda(s), Abbie withdrew her trust and began to throw a bit of shade at Ichabods' witch-wife and openly voice her concerns over her interference. Even so she was still regarding Katrina as an ally beyond a reasonable point, mainly due to Katrina's connection to Ichabod. Abbie risked herself to free Katrina from Purgatory, financially supported her, put up with her interference, played marriage counsellor to the Cranes, brought down Orion (please bring him back!), placed herself in unnecessary mortal peril and was maneuvered into compromising her calling because of Katrina's influence on both herself and Ichabod. I heard the words "Katrina was right" uttered a few times too many in season two. Abbie had no allegiance to the wigstand by the time that corseted dummass openly abandoned her loyalty to the witnesses and then tried to kill them both, but it was very much a betrayal of all that had been offered to and done for her by Abbie prior to that point. If I ever hear about Katrina on this show again, I just want Abbie to be allowed to express some open anger about her, instead of taking the high road. I don't want it to come out of nowhere and I don't want her to go on about it, but I'd like to hear her express her own feelings instead of pulling her punches out of consideration for Ichabod.

I want Glenn to be alive and I bend more to the side of living rather than dead but there was a such a phenomenal lack of continuity that I don't believe I can rely on anything I saw in the "death" scene as proof one way or another. At this point, the most logical assumption I could make, going from what I actually saw is the whole thing happened only in Nicholas' mind as they were surrounded and he went into a panic attack. Few of the details match each other from one scene to the next, giving it a rather hallucinatory quality. I would not have been surprised if I had noticed both men to be wearing clown costumes in one shot. Probably the theory that he managed to slide under the dumpster will be correct, but I'm prepared to see anything, including the appearance of Glinda the Good Witch, used to explain his survival.

If they are headed in the direction of Ichabbie, I need to see Ichabod in at least one other dating relationship before they start to move toward one another. I have a problem with him transitioning from his period of quietly mourning Katrina and their marriage to fixating on Abbie, someone on whom he has been very dependent. I was glad to hear him acknowledge the significance of his history with Katrina, even if I despised the character. It would be pretty shabby if Ichabod never referenced her again, however, I don't need to hear much more than that little nod as he prepares to move on. I do need to hear Abbie, at some point explicitly acknowledge to someone, preferably Jenny, how the wigstand was a thorn in her side and express a little negativity over that time the bitch tried to kill her, instead of always taking the high ground on that subject. I don't tend to think it's petty to express just a little anger that a person she helped and supported in a myriad of ways betrayed her horribly and then the bitch tried to kill her! It goes without saying that I would like to see Abbie allowed to actually date someone too and not someone who comes with built-in drawbacks, like her current boss or her sister's recent fuck-buddy.

I lost patience with Moonlighting after briefly liking it at the beginning of it's run. They were all tease with no meat and the teasing stopped being of interest early on. If the writers only write to the tease, they are never going to be capable of writing an actual interesting relationship. Fortunately one of the few happy accidents coming out of the rise of Katrina is that the witnesses developed a bond in terms of their working relationship while the disruption provided by the wigstand ensured that it wasn't always smooth sailing between them. Their relationship, wherever it goes, already has had an arc. Much as I would love to see them paired, I don't think their romantic life needs to be a time-suck that follows a well-worn, dull path of lots of tease with very little development of their actual connection.

I guess suicide is a legitimate interpretation and quite possibly the intent of the scene. I had a different read on it though. The Greek fire was supposed to represent an inescapable trap for Howe, I don't think it's possible for him to have escaped it and he did outlast his draughr. I saw his last words as him taking a final opportunity to taunt Crane before succumbing, not suicide. He was sufficiently defiant that I was left wondering if he'd return in another form. Hopefully without the terrible makeup. It looked corny, not scary, like he'd escaped a haunted house attraction. In fact it might have given me more of a fright if he'd popped up in one of those at one point. The historic Howe was much more intimidating than his reassembled undead self. Overall, Zoe's attitude is cute and sweet, but like others, I would not be taken aback if she went bunny-boiler. It was funny to me that Zoe's costume was not just Betsy Ross , but a "Sexy" Betsy Ross costume, which was toned down compared to what Boobsy wears in flashbacks. More of Betsy being a kick-ass Mary Sue, sigh. I'd probably like it more if she was a compellingly written character and If I wasn't left wondering whether I was watching UCG or intentional humour that was falling flat. Whichever it is, she's too OTT to take seriously, but not funny enough to be fun. I've sort of liked the time-traveller theory to explain her, but I also like the one that was linked to in another thread that theorized she's a false memory formed from refashioned real ones that has been planted in Crane's mind. I enjoyed the crossover episode. Good transition from one to the other and I had no feeling that I had to see one to understand the other. I dislike it when crossovers involve a cliffhanger to tie into the other show and prior viewing of the first show to understand the second. Even when it's well-written it's frustrating as hell if I view it out of the context of the original air-date. Pandora going snake-faced to steal candy from a child was marvellous. I can not love that enough.

I think Glenn is about to find a tunnel to the lair of the underpants gnomes.

I enjoy his comedic touch and it has mostly been used in appropriate situations, but it's been too dominant this season. I want to see more of the Captain.

It's been a while since I watched Bones regularly, I can't say I remember Bones being quite so inappropriate, though I do recall her wrapping blunt remarks in verbose packages. It was funny, but kind of cringe-inducing too.

I love this comment so much I'm going to read 15 pages in it's honour.

I don't want a third sister in the dynamic. That's soapy-in-a-bad-way. One of my biggest problems with Katrina and especially Henry was their presumptive relationships with Ichabod. I tend to think the new character is more interesting if we get to know her on her own merits rather than giving her a back-story with instant connections. Plus, I'm not sure of the actresses' exact age, but she not only looks to be a contemporary of Abbie and Jenny, she could also pass for someone a few years older. Not only do I not want to see her as a younger Mills sibling, I would not buy her as a younger half sibling from dad's second family. If his second family isn't younger by at least 5 years, he's just disgusting. Not that abandoning one family, then immediately starting another is much better. I'm already cringing at the probable "I always loved you" reveal. Children need to feel love in the here and now, it's useless as an abstract notion felt by someone who is a complete void in their lives.

Lori died due to a massive hemorrhage during birth, Carl shot her to prevent the possibility of reanimation. Hershel's decapitated head was shown to have reanimated. According to Jenner, the sole remaining scientist at the CDC, reanimation was believed to be a 100% probability among anyone exposed to the virus regardless of cause of death. There seems to have been an active contagion that killed many in the initial outbreak, those who remain living carry a dormant form that activates after death and walker bites lead to a fatal form of the infection. The only certain way to prevent reanimation is to destroy the brain. Both the progress of bite related death and reanimation following death vary widely among individuals. IIRC Bob was allowed to hold Judith in his final hours and he certainly spent time in proximity with her after he was bitten. Therefore, given that she has been directly exposed to someone dying of one of the aggressive forms of the disease. I think I can be confident in saying that Rick would not isolate himself from his children for fear of infecting them with the walker virus, other than the necessary precautions to prevent reanimation. Rick might self isolate if he had a serious infection of unknown origin. The infection that swept the prison after the Woodbury citizens joined them was an undefined respiratory infection. It didn't seem related to the walker infection, it was potentially fatal, leading to the usual ZA consequences. Carol killed Karen and David in a fruitless attempt at containment. If Rick becomes ill due to his injury turning septic, that would entail different precautions than a respiratory infection. I do not believe Carol would be any kind of a threat. Outside of a specific situation, I do not believe Rick would end his own life due to active walker infection or his carrier status to protect his children as both Judith and and Carl have been in near proximity to other carriers, the walkers, the infected and spilled blood. Carl has fought both walkers and people himself.

Me.

So far the inconsistent criteria for turning has not shown walker blood or guts as a sure vector for imminent death, unlike a walker bite. However, If TPTB have decided to make Rick an amputee they will, or if they want him to get seriously ill in a non-zombie-onset way from the cut they will. Whatever consequence, that wound is significant. Maybe the significance is just in what we are seeing Rick deal with in the here and now. He is in a stalled RV with a walker herd closing in and his hand is badly injured, impairing his ability to defend himself and escape.

That's more or less what I think, but I don't think it entirely makes sense. For one, Rick could have accomplished the same end by going up a tree, keeping quiet and waiting for the main herd to pass. Mostly I think everyone, including walkers, suddenly started travelling through a Blair Witch landscape where the geography morphed to suit whatever plot point was needed and there were no straight lines to be travelled. That's an opinion on what she was doing, not a fact. Maybe that's exactly what happened, but at no point has it been definitively shown that she was leaving markings for the purpose of conveying information to an outside group, never mind if it's the Wolves or other marauders. The two Wolves who Morgan initially allowed to survive after they attacked him were the same ones who recovered Aaron's backpack at the booby-trapped cannery. It was stuffed with pictures of the community, which IIRC included the name Alexandria. The roads around the community are peppered with signs announcing the development and literally pointing to it. They didn't need some random teen playing possum for over 8 months and sneaking out to tag trees in order to get there, they didn't even need Aaron's back-pack for that matter, they would have have eventually stumbled over it, just much later than they did and not with such disastrous timing. More to the point, who isn't leaving markings? The Termites did it and Rick (or someone in his group or perhaps even someone mysteriously following a similar track) has left markings that Morgan has followed. I think at some point almost every character has marked a trail or marked their presence, whether inside a formerly inhabited place (like the prison) or out in the wilderness. Going by scent, they probably weren't sure if he was dead or alive.

That really bothered me. Sure, the bottom of the fire escape was covered with a mattress, but we could see the steps. It was still in the freaking shot. I call bullshit on the pair of them getting pinned near the dumpster instead of trying for the stairs once they knew the fence wasn't an option. They had time before the full horde arrived. As far as that goes, I call bullshit on them not getting on the dumpster earlier than they did and bullshit on them standing on top rather than getting inside. They would have been stuck there for a long while, but I believe the horde would have thinned sufficiently within 24 hours that they would have had a chance to survive, perhaps by going up those damn steps.* When I heard the call-back to Glenn's original appearance, my thought was that Glenn was going to end up in a similar position to Rick's when he was pinned in the tank, especially when I saw the dumpster, so it was a shock to see him fall with Nicholas. Especially since to go in that particular way feels like a slap at Glenn's guiding principles. If they are going full-on fake-out with this, for all we know everything we saw after Nicholas says "thank-you" is in Nicholas' mind. I can't even begin to follow the logic of the various routes the characters were taking. Besides the fuckery of Daryl's detour, What the hell was Rick doing? did he run ahead and then double back via another route to the blind curve at Marshall and Redding? I still don't understand what he was trying to accomplish. Right now I'm only able to make sense of what he did via fan-wanking and overthinking, but it still doesn't really hang together. *ETA I'm also going to call bullshit on no-one in that group that Glenn and Michonne were leading having a flare gun and using it to distract the walkers, since those were so heavily featured in the open of the season premiere. In fact a flare would have been ideal for lighting up the "oops, already torched" feed store.

Dave, (?) the guy that got bit was still able-bodied, he could fight and run, unlike the woman with the twisted ankle and the man who was shot in the leg by a panicky fellow Alexandrite. He could help to carry the wounded and he helped everyone else get over the fence before he was overwhelmed. There is a good argument to be made that it would have been best to leave the two injured Alexandrites in a secure location, but Dave was the opposite of a burden.

The real Betsy Ross was estranged from her family after she married her first husband, the absent and unmentioned Mr. Ross. Maybe the niece or nephew could be a relative on his side? If they go the time travel route, which I'm not convinced they will, the estrangement would have been a handy way of explaining away her lack of connection to family. Also the body theory is a possible route, That's similar to what happened to she-who-must-not-be-named, she landed in her own past self.

My problem with Betsy's appearance this episode is that for a good chunk of it, she didn't really need to be there. There was no good reason her presence needed to be tied into Crane's memory of Paul Revere dealing with what turned out to the Ibizu. None. The only reason she was in those scenes was so they could tie the earlier flashbacks to the maybe a memory/ maybe an hallucination scene of Betsy and Ichabod macking after she apologized for shutting him out (WTF) and he apologized for presuming on their aquaintence. They could have ended with a similar moment without the clunkiness of making her presence more important to the Revere scenes than Crane and maybe that would have caused the writers to create better dialogue instead of that forced mess that tumbled out of their mouths. It sounded like bad fan-fic. Crane is already our view into the past, we don't need another character to provide that perspective. If they must use Betsy, then they should use her effectively and the scenes with the niece/nephew weren't effective, they just served to distance me from Crane's memory of the child with tooth problems. I can't say I really cared for the kiss scene, for several reasons, but it at least seemed less contrived than the earlier memory and the segue to the present made me laugh.

Taking my Papa Mills thoughts to the "What Do You Think Will Happen" thread.

The Michael Dorn suggestion made me go YESSSSS!!!!!!! I loved him as Worf, he did a lot to flesh out the character of a guy with a stick up his bum and a turtle glued to his head. Tony Todd is a close second. Whoever plays him, I think the character needs ambiguity. I think Papa Mills will probably come off as a sketchy, morally gray character. We shouldn't know what to think of him or trust, even if he's basically just a suburban 9-5er with a quiet life. No matter how they try to frame it, he's also a dad that has a family he abandoned. Whatever the reasons we are given for that, I hope it's not at the expense of Mama Mills. I kind of hate it when a show introduces a character with his sort of backstory and it's either "Bygones!" or constant overwrought sniping. I hope they have a story for him, not just family dramatics.

My son and I call Ikea "We move the cheese."

I find Paula funny as hell but horrid and rather unsympathetic. She's crazier than Rebecca from her starting point and has moments that easily cross the line into mean and callous. Even if it's being played for laughs, it's still there. I do find her likeable in a small way, though I'm not sure why. She's at least as if not more more stalkerish than Rebecca with considerably less justification and is an insistent, aggressive enabler, which is not something that makes her a good friend in any way, shape or form. I do think Rebecca's draw to Valencia was genuine, but it started in a bad place and ended in another.

Pandora gets creepier every episode, well-done. She is extremely unsettling to me and that evil tooth fairy was very disturbing, I was frightened for those little kids just having to see it. I did not expect Abbie to get injured. It did lead to scenes with Ichabod and Jenny working together and they were delightful. I really appreciated the way the Scooby gang were mixed up out the ususal pairs rather than isolated. The scenes with Abbie and Jenny were wonderful. It was good to hear them talk about their past. I loved the exchange about their father. I've thought that it was a fun bit of fanwank, one that I've had fun indulging in. The possibility it could be an intentional direction really leapt out at me in this episode, it's not so much the modern way Nikki Reed speaks, the turns of phrase that are coming out of Betsy's mouth are anachronisms, "I shut you out"... what? .... that is a very contemporary turn of phrase and there were others, already mentioned up-thread.. It especially stuck out in an episode where Ichabod's colonial-speak was denser than ever. Maybe it's just careless writing. Maybe. But it's starting to seem deliberate. Honestly any scene that openly flies in the face of possible Ichabbie shipping makes me cringe a little, but despite that, the ending scenes with Ichabod's memory/ fantasy about Betsy with the cut to the dentist's office was funny as hell to me. (Plus Abbie has Ich in the friendzone. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.) Still, I don't quite grasp how any flirtation with Betsy works out as anything other than disreputable given the timing of her marriages and his attachment to Katrina. Ichabod is terrible with children! Bwah!