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So basically CC is saying fuck any cast member who won't play ball the way I want, it's my show and everyone is replaceable. Also; blah-blah-blah nonsense polysyllabic bafflegab "I am an artistic genius and will not be limited by anything including the dictionary" Mine! Mine! Mine! I have PLAAAAAAAANS! Respect my plaaaaaans. This is only bearable if I imagine him screeching like Vincent Price at his campiest. While emerging from a trap door as he plays an organ.

Katia looks so awkward sitting, breathing and blinking. At this point I don't think Fox sees it as anything more than filler. I think Nicole leaving was a smart move, another season of the show's decline would have been blamed on the inability of a black woman, specifically her, to carry a show, even though the problem was the unwillingness behind the scenes to continue to allow her to carry a show.

Funnily enough I found him kind of repulsive after Fantastic Four, because those movies were so damn bad and all the actors seemed dreadful, even though I'd liked them in other things previously . Then years later I heard stories about the value the director placed on acting, specifically that he discouraged it if actors pulled unattractive faces as a consequence.

I can think of a few, but they wound up burning bridges, both with fans and employers and it didn't really matter what happened to be the source of actual shenanigans. Whatever was going on backstage, both Tom and Nicole comported themselves with absolute professionalism in front of the cameras and I can't recall any instance in which either of them were accurately observed to cast shade on one another. My unpopular opinion is I don't think it means anything about either of them if they aren't friends anymore, given the circumstances under which they ceased working together. I hope they still are, but that is between them.

What we've seen demonstrated by the last two showrunners is that they find any sort of settled world-building or consistent characterization too confining while simultaneously clinging to increasingly formulaic episode structures. The finale was so open ended and undid so much of the show's universe that I wonder if they'll even keep the man-out-of-time concept or retcon it into something else entirely. I wish I was joking.

Also co-signing to this. We already have a snoutful of phlegmatic characters pulling sad faces. I think he'd turn out to be a case of being careful what you wish. Plus this show does not need more teens with floppy hair. It needs some adults who aren't grating and worthless.

My hate list in order from worst to least despised: Liza, needs to move her fucking face. She might also pay attention to her own kids instead of intruding on her stepson's grief and making it all about herself. (Hey, I popped my pop once, we totally understand each other now!) She should stop pretending to be savvy when she has no clue most of the time. It would be good if she would try to remember which side her bread is buttered on, instead of whispering with the obvious sociopath about how she doesn't trust the potential sociopath. I can't stand Salazar. He's always going to be the douchebag who unleashed the herd on the base, which is what led to Liza getting bitten, as well as the hundreds or thousands who will also die as a direct consequence of that herd. It may have been an impressive sequence to watch, but it was a stupid, disastrous plan. I wonder what piece of idiocy he'll come up with next? Plus he gives the impression that he spends most of his time thinking about who to shiv next. Love the actor, loathe the character. Ophelia is utterly pointless, I guess she's there for when they need a walking plot-point or an eventual sacrificial lamb. Travis, has a good heart which is probably why he also has frequently poor instincts in a survival situation, at least he had some sense when it came to the overfilled rescue boat they bypassed. The teens are.... teens. Phooey. At least they have potential, or rather I hope they are there with a definite arc in mind rather than just to screw up and sulk because they don't know any better. Alicia was the MVP dummass of the episode followed in short order by Chris. (dude, you can't just go storming out when you are on a boat, it doesn't work that way.) Nick is a delight, despicable but a delight, unfortunately his usually good survival instincts are not always on high gear, swimming into that shipwreck was not smart. Strand is highly watchable and potentially awesome. He's also shady as hell and that is probably a good thing. Liza, oh Liza.... even dead she was worth more than most of the cast. Really, as things stand they can all drown except Strand and maybe Nick.

What does it say that I'm watching to see which of the characters I hate will die first?

In a very special edition of "Fear The Walking Dead; The Teen Years", Alicia learns an important life lesson about the perils of social media.

If they really felt they needed to keep Nicole, the likelihood is she would still be there, but that would mean they valued her enough to make her want to stay. Did they see her role as a problem to be solved or an asset to be cultivated? There is a chance that the situation is one where she fulfilled her obligations honourably but it was time to move on and it's not about her position in the cast, her personal life or pay-check or other signs of appreciation (comparable to Clooney leaving ER). Possible, yes, probable, not so much. Really the main question I have is whether that ending which has opened the door for a near total reboot is something that was planned all along or something they did at the last minute to compensate for the failure to retain their leading lady. If the former, was it the straw that broke the camel's back, was it the point at which she saw herself officially relegated to sidekick? I find it believable that she was ready to leave after the shenanigans in season two, I do wonder whether there was a sustained desire to put the show behind her or if it was a willingness to leave if presented with another round of "great ideas" that added up to a diminished role. The writing this season was weak, there was a lot of promise, but more fizzle than anything that sparked. The only thing that was consistently watchable was the bond between Abbie and Ichabod. With that gone, it's just another mediocre genre show.

My guess is that it was being stored up someone's ass and one of the writers pulled it out from there.

The finale for this bluedilly fuck of a show should have been scheduled to air a week before it actually did. It would have been the only fitting date.

I agree that given the ending, there is no guarantee that anything other than Ichabod will be retained. As things stand, with Ichabod departing for Washington, they seem to have removed Sleepy Hollow from Sleepy Hollow. Most of the holdover characters are tied to Abbie, who is no longer part of the show. They may have no desire to write story for them in her absence or only use them as recurring characters. The show may not even retain the supernatural elements, could go more in a conspiracy direction or bring in sci-fi elements. The producers might as well rename the show and consider it a new property.

If I take it as a given that she wanted to leave, no hard feelings, no bad blood, no shenanigans, everyone wishes everybody else the best, Blah, blah blah..... I still find the final episode terrible. Why did they opt to have her take her leave with dialogue that explicitly refuted the idea her character was significant in and of herself? Do they not realize that this turn tells the fans that much of what they enjoyed about the show was irrelevant? And why was the rest of the episode such a wretched mess? It was, it really was awful. Even if she had stayed I'd be questioning the show's direction. ETA Actually, let me concede that the first 15 minutes were pretty darn good and drew me in and then the fuckery started.... Which has pretty well been the pattern all season, Stuff I liked was spoiled or refuted by ill-conceived execution and payoff that was frequently dull.

Apparently they've snipped off so many loose ends that Ichabod is now the only aspect of the show guaranteed to return. Or rather, a character named Ichabod and played by Tom Mison. But that could eventually change too. I do hope that if they get another season that it doesn't come with a purged cast or with the holdovers reduced to walking plot-point cameos. I wonder if wanting a fourth season might be an unpopular opinion? I'm indifferent at this point.

I was glad that the show was at least thoughtful enough to bring Clancy Brown back to see Abbie out. I thought that showed a good impulse in the part of the show. Too bad the dialogue put in both their mouths diminished her contribution as a unique character. I really wish Abbie had been allowed to express sorrow at everything she would miss out on in life instead of her platitudes about being at peace and his blather about a phoenix rising in another form. I think the character deserved some poignancy to her last scenes instead of this retcon that she was only there to facilitate someone elses' journey and she was replaceable. I sort-of understand the impulse to promote the idea that the story is not over, but Abbie's story is over and I would rather have heard silence than hear her individuality trivialized.

My unpopular opinion is as much as Goffman was the ass-clown responsible for ruining the show, at least we saw some excellent episodes under his watch whereas this season has been in some ways worse by virtue of being consistently mediocre. I appreciated that they tried to be more ambitious, but they constantly tanked that tendency with formulaic plot structures.

So substitute "Gods" with "Hacks" and it's kind of the same thing? Otherwise, all the title Ragnorak signified was a self-consciously ironic reference, not anything that informed the narrative. Yet another of THO's unrealized threats of mayhem is not quite the same as an entire pantheon destroying themselves and the world they rule over, even with vague commonalities like beings hidden in trees and (talk of) flooding.

Why in the flaming hell did they call the episode "Ragnorak"?!?! The episode had nothing to do with the mythology they were referencing with that title. Fuckers.

I think we should subtitle this episode thread with that phrase.

Diva behaviour can mean a lot of things that have nothing to do with being a source of trouble or making demands, sometimes all it means is someone asked questions that someone else didn't want to hear or knocked over a tray of donuts and swore about it. (While in possession of a vagina.)

So..... Ichabod is going to Washington. I did understand that correctly, right? So, if there is a season 4, they could very well be taking Sleepy Hollow out of Sleepy Hollow. Talk about sacrificing everything about your starting premise. Maybe, in what their feverish little minds have conjured up for next year, there won't even be supernatural forces of ancient evil, it'll be conspiracies conducted by the power-mad interspersed with murderous fraudulent fortune-tellers or some such shit. On top of the obvious disappointment over Abbie, I really didn't see anything in that finale that left me intrigued with where the show will go next.

I posted in the wrong thread, moved it to Raganarok episode thread.

As much as I loathed Goffman, at least last year he gave us an excellent final episode that worked as a potential series finale, tied up the season and pushed the reset button. This was just a mess. It was typical of this season though. A lot going on plot-wise, some things I was really excited about and then they were wrapped up in ways that were deeply unsatisfying. The Hidden one's ending, Pandora, the return of the horseman, seeing Ezra and Jenny mourn (oh right, not really...) Good Lord, Danny was pointless, he seemed only to exist to get in the way of Ichabbie and I don't only mean the ship, but the partnership as well. I was at least pleased to see an Abbie and Corbin scene, even if I didn't appreciate the words that were put in Abbie's mouth. It kind of looked like they just tweaked the events of the mid-season finale and rewrote it somewhat to send off Abbie.

Yeah, I'm so gob-smacked by the end of Abbie that I didn't even comment on how frigging gawdawful the ending for this season's principal villains was, and it was truly fucking horrible, also, nice misuse of Headless, (you idiots!) that sucked too.