Yolapukka

I thought this season tried really hard but never hung together as well as it should have, but I tolerated that for the Ichabbie goodness, Which was all for naught in the end. How the fuckitty-fuck does a show squander their best asset so badly that the best option is for their leading lady to move on to other things? I wish Tom, Lyndie and the rest of the cast well in cashing any future paychecks written by those ass-clowns but the onscreen relationship between Ichabod and Abbie was what made the show a delight for me. I won't pointedly boycott it, but I won't be seeking it out.

I will give the show some small credit for at least saying goodbye to Abbie with some grace, but I really have lost interest.

I just don't fucking care anymore. I've been trolled for an hour, or, really months if you count the rest of season. The only thing I hope for now is to hear that Nicole Beharie left under her own steam. I love Tom and his version of Ichabod Crane but the true magic was in the interactions with Abbie. The only reason I care if this show is renewed now, is at least then they will at least have a reason for not delivering on Ichabbie payoff. I'm still not really going to care much. I'm still going to feel cheated.

I might find it intriguing if the character needed some tweaking in order to make her work, but she already fits in beautifully. Plus they've drawn from this well already with Jeremy. This might be an unpopular opinion, given that she's a secondary character and we've had a few show-eaters that stepped out from that heading, but I'd like to see a story arc that settles what happened with Sophie's parents, one that doesn't necessarily have a happy conclusion or depends heavily on retreading well-worn paths, like most of the older men having ties to a particular military unit. I'd like something that either opened new story-telling or referenced something or someone that appeared briefly, then was dropped, like Carmilla Pines.

I just need to see the pictures.

Regardless of what is really going on with Danny in relation to Abbie and what kind of man his moral compass guides him to be, the plot-point that they are reuniting is badly timed. The writing has dropped breadcrumbs that it could go this way, but those same breadcrumbs did more to reinforce the idea that it was something from the past that was likely to cause problems. I was never going to invest in them as a couple anyway, but this renewel of interest, falling where it does, makes it seem like a last-minute roadblock to Ichabbie deepening their bond in what could be the final episodes of this show.

I'm not sure she was an impostor, right now that's still an unconfirmed possibility based on the reveal that Betsy remained in the catacombs. The other possibility is she eventually returned to her own time rather than emerging into the present day and remaining there. Yes!!!!!!!

How dumb could these people be anyway if they can't remember that the problem was Bruce Willis and Cybill Shepherd came to loathe each other offscreen and it undermined the interactions that did not rely on testy banter? And that wasn't the only backstage issue that affected what aired on that show. Moonlighting stayed on the air years after it lost it's spark and went stale. Even if they'd never put them in bed together, the problems would have been similar. I do suspect some viewers abandoned the show once their couple was together because they knew it wasn't going to last, since they'd had three flipping seasons of relentless teasing and knew that Moonlighting was going to draw from that tired, dry well again as soon as possible, but they probably would have lost patience with the teasing anyway if they had not got payoff. I think it would have started to bleed viewers no matter what. On Sleepy Hollow, at least, the show does not depend on any will-they/ won't-they tension between Ichabod and Abbie. They don't lose their hook by finally pairing them off. It's still a fun, crazy show without Ichabbie shipping, but their interactions are the best thing about it (for me) whereas the worst is the incessant mania to thrust low chemistry third parties between them. I don't hate Zoe, she was a cute character, but I doubt I'll remember her in another year. I don't hate Daniel, but I don't believe in anything about how he presents himself, the actor is hella hot and charismatic but I eyeroll at the character's romantic overtures. Betsy is miscast and a pointless contrivance that eats scenes that would be more interesting without her. Luke was kind of cranky and Andy was doomed but poignant. Only the Wigstand was worthy of hate and that's not just because she was an obstacle to Ichabbie but due to the way the entire narrative arc, the cast dynamics, the fictional universe and world building were bent and damaged in the attempt to focus on her when she didn't have it in her to carry a show as a significant character or an actress. Similar to what others have stated in this thread, since we are going to have romance mixed in with adventure, I want to see fun, romantic moments between actors with strong natural chemistry and a discernible bond, not boring timewasters. Abbie and Ichabod have an adult, warts-and-all relationship, they have conversations and amuse each other rather than bicker like spiteful children and it is interesting to watch their bond grow in an organic beleivable way. It is not interesting to see obstacles thrown in their way, just for the sake of throwing up obstacles. Abbie and Ichabod grabbing each other's hands is worth a thousand soulful gazes from extraneous pretty people.

I don't think the show even demonstrated they had much of a partnership, it seemed more like they just wound up working a few missions together and never really saw eye-to eye. Despite dialogue to the contrary what was actually shown was they seemed to have not much in the way of partnership or personal friendship. I was not aching to see them get closure. The only truly missed opportunity was the way they ret-conned the prior reference Ichabod had made to her as a relentless annoyance he'd had to hide from, because that, would. have. been hilarious, despite or maybe even especially with Nikki Reed's inadequate performance. The only thing I really enjoyed about her part was the action sequences and that was because she mostly kept her yap shut so it minimized her weird line-readings. However I would have preferred to see more of historical man-of-action Ichabod, than persnickety sidekick Ichabod. I feel like she ate scenes that should have belonged to him.

I think I would have liked to have seen a fling with Danny and Abbie, but not now. It irked that it was an offscreen relationship that was commenced, then finished before the new season started, but I could sort-of accept that as it gave an interesting tension to his interactions with both witnesses beyond his position as Abbie's boss. At the same time, the fact he was and is still her supervisor made picking things up again rather unethical, particularly on his part and, romantically he will always be roadkill, even if Ichabbie never becomes the ship it deserves to be. At this point, I tend to think his motivations have been contaminated by the agenda that's had him grooming, observing and reporting on her. I really don't trust him. I don't like that the show is setting up a storyline for a season four that might never happen, at the expense of things that have deeper roots and deserve payoff, especially when his story with Abbie could have been told in 3A, if it was to be told at all. If anything I thought 3A effectively established that they were firmly in the past tense, despite any lingering feelings, so to have them talking about a renewed romance just seems to come out of nowhere. I will say, I like the placement of him not learning of Abbie's battle against supernatural evil until the last few episodes. I think the pacing has often been a little off this season and this is one instance where they had good instincts and dropped it into a plot where it carried excellent weight.

Yeah, I was muttering at him to back the hell up when he started ordering Jenny around when THO stepped out of the way and she thought she had a clear shot at the hourglass. Too bad she waited there for a dog's age lining up the shot while she sang, danced and backflipped to Walking On Sunshine. However, what is the likelihood that an ordinary bullet could shatter the thing anyway? Even less likely than taking out demons with gunplay, since that has at least had some effect on rare occasions on a few demons, (not very many tho...)

One hope is Betsy and Daniel meet , think one another the hottest thing since blast furnaces and have to go on the run together for ... reasons ... and are never seen again.

I really wanted to see Sleepy Hollow's Washington played by Turn's Ian Kahn. I Just Can't. ..with all the fuckery going on this week and last. But even with the Betsy Ross Bullshit, the Winna still had to be Jenny somehow escaping The Hidden One in order to magically transport herself and her car to her trailer to save the father that abandoned her and eventually shoot her boyfriend. Was her getaway ENTIRELY OFFSCREEN, or did I miss some small scene that at least showed something? And how is Joe dead(?), he took a shot to the right side of his chest, unless there is something wrong with my eyes and my TV. That could be fatal, eventually, but it would take a fuck of a long time to bleed out from that. Dear Betsy; Please make the ultimate sacrifice, or just go home. signed, The World. I still enjoy Sophie. Danny has at least been useful instead of wasted these past two episodes even if the renewel of affections with Abbie irritates the hell out of me. He should really just shut his noise-hole, given the way he's been spying on her asset. My prayer.^ ... Especially since they cut a ton of the scenes Nikki Reed filmed (assumedly) because she just wasn't working at all.

I haven't commented much about this episode because I've been trying to wrap my head around the WTFuckery of that relationship convo between Abbie and Daniel. What. The. Fuck?!?! It makes no sense to me. None. It would have seemed credible to me if it had happened during 3A, especially if it had happened shortly before Abbie's disappearance, because that at least would have given his pining some poignancy, but now? It's not working and I still can't wrap my head around it. Terrible timing, just terrible. It doesn't help that as an Ichabbie shipper it just feels all kinds of wrong. Even if I didn't ship it just feels like pointless interference with the witness bond. I've long since stopped being intrigued by Daniel and at most am just waiting for the reveal of whether he is some sort of conspirator or a cat's paw for dire forces. I did appreciate his reactions to the demon dude in this episode, that was kind of fun.

I have no expectation ever that any Big Bad is ever going to be a true threat in achieving their aim to destroy the world/ rule the universe. It's not going to happen, at least not in a show like this. The real tension is always on the damage they create trying to get there and in the case of Pandora and THO its not fucking much. I don't need to see main cast members die or be permanently harmed in order to feel that there is something at stake, but at the same time the structure for most episodes this season has meant that it often seems that Big Bad-wise, there is nothing at stake. Randos appear and are slaughtered in the opening scene by MOW, Pandora and now, The Hidden One have ominous dialogue, the MOW is somehow connected to them, the scoobies defeat it. It actually seems like out-of-the box plotting when they do more than talk. THE CHIEF ANTAGONISTS ARE DOING NEXT TO NOTHING!!!! Seriously! They mostly just yammer mystically. They might as well be DJ-ing a late-night ambient music program. The better episodes in the season were those prior to the mid-season break, because the show stepped away from the blatant formula and as well, let the Villains (so-called) seem to have purpose, however brief that promise was. I actually enjoy them but so little is being done with them. Dear God, I was so excited by this episode, simply because THO left the damn house and he menaced Crane! It would have been an exciting development if he'd merely bought milk. I need more chaos please. I loathe cliffhangers as season enders. It's a really shitty thing to do if there is any question of renewel. Most of the time it's cheap writing that is seldom worth the investment it demands from fans. In a pinch, the only show I can think of that did cliffhangers I actually appreciated was True Blood and that is because they tied up the main story and most side stories except those leading into the cliffhanger which then kicked off the upcoming main narrative, rather than ending on something they'd been shuffling towards over the season. I agree with those who think we are likely getting one and that this impression is due to a lack of rather than the presence of build.

Personally, I hope for a partial redemption that produces a temporary alliance to take down THO. I enjoy Pandora, but aside from a certain callousness over the consequences of her actions, she verges on toothless, so there is a risk of her becoming a tremendous bore if they try to soften her. I do think she's had spark and edge in her direct dealings with Abbie and to a lessor extent Ichabod, that antagonism could translate to a frenemy dynamic. If the idea behind redemption is to keep her around, I'd prefer her as a recurring character who has an agenda that sometimes aligns with the witnesses' mission. I'd prefer her as a wild card, I'd also like someone to mock her manner of speech with it's frequent slowly intoned pronouncements. Of course, when I talk about the future, I'm thinking more about that mythical fourth season that has yet to be confirmed, not just the few episodes remaining in the season.

The exact words I did indeed shout!

I keep making bad jokes to myself about this and they are starting to leak into my posts.

What would it matter anyway if they were from the same bloodline? The distance would be well beyond anything that would be an appreciable degree of cousinhood. Anyway, I agree with those who think it likelier that they are separately descended from different witnesses.

I'm happy with Ichabbie crumbs but there was nothing dropped that could be put down to anything other than a genuine if complicated friendship. Progress please. Pandora needs to keep that liar's bland smile pasted on her face, blather something about refilling the fruit bowl grab her stuff and run. Did THO look weepy when Ichabod was pouring himself a drink when the purple light enclosed them? Just me? I liked most of Joe and Jenny this week, although I thought a lot of it seemed to run a bit long. The part with Jenny needing to talk the Wendigo back into the circle was too much of a contrivance, though I appreciated the necessity of preceding it with shirtless Joe and the silliness afterward over the key. I'm largely pleased that Pandora put Joe's residual Wendigo to use. Much as I was intrigued by the possibility that he had a power that could manifest itself and be put to use, I wasn't entirely comfortable with it being something he could call forth on several grounds. It being a Wendigo made me squirm over the cultural appropriation/misuse and the Wendigo being an entity that slaughtered Joe's fellow soldiers by possessing him didn't exactly make me gleeful that he might be able to control it rather than it being something beyond his control that had inhabited him and been eliminated. I like Abbie being in the FBI less and less as time goes on, especially now that they've succeeded in establishing Sophie as a character. She could have provided a connection to the FBI with much the same storytelling they've had throughout the season and we would not have the clunkiness of newbie federal agent Mills calling upon the powers of handwavium to bring her housemate to crime scenes. Or all the clunkiness of her direct supervisor being an ex that she met in training. I overall liked the storytelling in this episode, but after last week I really wanted to see the witnesses working together instead of spending another episode largely separated.

I wondered that myself. However I think a drawback to switching might be the idea that if her people caught up to her she'd likely be in for brutal treatment or death. Also, I don't think she'd be happy once she realized that her new neighbours included the people who blew up her boyfriend, which led to her getting a finger severed as punishment for looking for him. What I thought the scene did best was showing Maggie getting a lot of information out of her while seeming to take her thinly veiled threats seriously.

I loved it when Abbie called him "Captain" in last season's finale. I wish they'd pull that one out again, but only for very special occasions. I may be wrong but he seems to use Abbie with greater frequency this season than he did previously.

I enjoy her overall, but this season there has been too much Jenny not doing anything very interesting. She tends to be difficult, verging on misanthropic, so a little of her can go a long way. I do actually like the Joe+Jenny pairing, but the writing for it often doesn't suit the type of chemistry the two of them have and there has definitely too much time dedicated to cutesy bickering between them that is mostly falling flat. I just don't think either character carries that off, Jenny comes off as cranky and Joe gets that derpy hangdog look. I don't think they are supposed to appear dysfunctional, so why would I want to see a supposedly functional couple make one another unhappy? They should be fun to watch, not depressing.

The thing that had me wondering most at the end of the episode was the return of Joe's Wendigo aspect. Obviously not a good thing, but it manifested at an opportune time and in an episode where others were saying that the thing that you fear can be the thing that saves you. Of course we know why it happened; contact with Pandora's box, but I did wonder if they were opening the door to the notion it could be a power he can control rather than a possession of himself by a blood-thirsty entity. I also wondered if it was a reference to Pandora herself who seems fed up with her household God's douchebag ways. I will say, even if he was being an ass about it, I appreciated him finally leaving the house to do something for himself instead of ordering Pandora to fetch while slumping in his chair grumping like the ancient times Archie Bunker. I get the feeling Pandora wants to shove him in her box, and not in the "reunited 'cause it feels so good" way. Add me to those who didn't entirely get what the hell that conversation Daniel and Abbie had was really about. There was really thin dialogue in that exchange. I think I know what they were saying but it seemed to have a point about them as a couple that somewhat escaped me.

I tend to think there is a difference between something that seemed ambiguous because a viewer missed the intended significance of details as opposed to something that is ambiguous because a production couldn't be bothered to include them. I personally thought it was pretty heavily underlined through several shots that the newspaper delivery was the source of the sounds Stacey believed were gunfire. Equally, I thought Mikes's reaction to the "bullet-hole" demonstrated he knew the problem was not one that could be solved through reasonable explanations. I think Mike knows his DIL is having severe anxiety issues, is not rational and is probably humouring her because telling her outright her fears are groundless will only make her stop trusting him as a confidant and she'll still be frantic and needy, on top of which, due to the nature of her husband's death, she has good reasons to feel frantic, needy and anxious aside from the stuff that is in her imagination. Even though the sound is not gunfire her mind is jumping to worst-case scenarios instead of reaching for calming possibilities. Besides it's entirely possible for her to have problems that are beyond her control, like PTSD and still be manipulative in wanting Mike to fix things for her.