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Corgi-ears

Corgi-ears

Yes, the This American Life episode is also credited (not that anyone watches Netflix credits) as the other source on which the Netflix series is based.

And here's an interesting article from The Atlantic about how the team chose to shoot the show, especially focusing on the sequence whereby Parker and Pruitt interviews Marie.

kieyra

kieyra

I don’t know the source cases. Question about episode eight 

In the real life case(s), did a detective really come and admit wrongdoing, and have the city cut a tiny check to the victim? That seems really unlikely—I assume the entire police department would bunker down in advance of the oncoming lawsuit, and apologies would be totally off the table.

... ok, and then I hit play after the apology scene, and she’s going to go sue them. So there’s that.

I know the articles are linked up thread, my headache status can’t take longform right now.

Minivanessa

Minivanessa

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Thanks for posting those links, @Corgi-ears and @Evie. I haven't read those articles, but after watching the whole series last night, I plan to.

I saw this series pop up on Netflix recently, but it was at bedtime and I was looking for something to wind down with, so passed on it. Then I read this article in the Denver Post about the case it's based on, and knew I'd be watching. Here are the original news articles about O'Leary's arrest and sentencing.)

I don't want to get too autobiographical here but I've lived in the metro area in question for 40+ years and have some experience in the criminal justice system (not as a defendant, though, just saying 🤣).

So at last night - it being Friday and nothing on the calendar today - I watched the whole series. I just couldn't quit it though I was up way past my usual boring bedtime. Wow. What a stunning piece of work - writing, acting, production, all of it.

I admit, I FF'd through most of the first episode and chunks of others, because TBH I find it easier to watch gore (and I don't have a huge tolerance for that), than to watch what is often described by that fucking euphemism, a "miscarriage of justice." It's just personal, but I wasn't in a head space to watch the details of Marie's abuse by the police. OTOH I was gripped by the story of the investigation, right here on my home turf.

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I was half-asleep when I needlessly spoiler-tagged something
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Court

Court

On 9/17/2019 at 6:51 PM, kieyra said:

I don’t know the source cases. Question about episode eight 

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In the real life case(s), did a detective really come and admit wrongdoing, and have the city cut a tiny check to the victim? That seems really unlikely—I assume the entire police department would bunker down in advance of the oncoming lawsuit, and apologies would be totally off the table.

... ok, and then I hit play after the apology scene, and she’s going to go sue them. So there’s that.

I know the articles are linked up thread, my headache status can’t take longform right now.

Yes, he apologized. The chief issued a pretty scathing memo but absolutely no disciplinary measures were ever taken which pisses me off. Marie also did receive the $500 reimbursement that she had to pay as her fine. The cops in Marie's case has never worked a rape case before or maybe one of them had worked one. One officer had just been transferred 6 weeks earlier. Marie did sue them. 

The other officer hasn't apologized, as far as I know. Read the ProPublica article when you can. It's a really good piece and the series here adheres very tightly to what actually happened.

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Roseanna

Roseanna

On 9/13/2019 at 8:08 PM, Corgi-ears said:

In case people haven't read/want to read the ProPublica article that is one basis for the miniseries.

I think this remark is interesting and just to the point:

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Galbraith had a simple rule: listen and verify. “A lot of times people say, ‘Believe your victim, believe your victim,’” Galbraith said. “But I don’t think that that’s the right standpoint. I think it’s listen to your victim. And then corroborate or refute based on how things go.”

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sistermagpie

sistermagpie

8 minutes ago, Roseanna said:

Galbraith had a simple rule: listen and verify. “A lot of times people say, ‘Believe your victim, believe your victim,’” Galbraith said. “But I don’t think that that’s the right standpoint. I think it’s listen to your victim. And then corroborate or refute based on how things go.”

Just as an aside, but "believe the victim/believe women" is supposed to mean exactly that. Iow, treat them like any other victim. Don't approach the crime as if the first step is to make sure it really happened. That's not what happens with other crimes.

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ElectricBoogaloo

ElectricBoogaloo

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Golden Globe nominations!

Best Television Limited Series or Motion Picture Made for Television
Kaitlyn Dever: Best Performance by an Actress in a Limited Series or Motion Picture Made for Television
Merritt Wever: Best Performance by an Actress in a Limited Series or Motion Picture Made for Television
Toni Collette: Best Performance by an Actress in a Supporting Role in a Series, Limited Series or Motion Picture Made for Television

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