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36 minutes ago, Kyle said:

Katy Kurtzman also played Anna, the young girl with the stutter whom Nellie Oleson bullied.

She was all over back in the day. I thought she was a really good actress. One of my favorite roles of hers was in The Awakening Land. If you never saw this miniseries, I highly recommend it. 

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Random question:

I'm watching "Back to School" again, and there's one scene where Laura, trying to impress Almanzo, appears at school with her hair long and straight.  She emphasizes her long hair, and Almanzo says: "Yeah, it looks real good."

Laura: "Yeah?"

Almanzo: "There's nothing cuter than a little girl in pig tails."

That line makes no sense, given that Laura is clearly not wearing pig tails in that scene.  Is there anything I'm missing?

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10 minutes ago, Brn2bwild said:

Random question:

I'm watching "Back to School" again, and there's one scene where Laura, trying to impress Almanzo, appears at school with her hair long and straight.  She emphasizes her long hair, and Almanzo says: "Yeah, it looks real good."

Laura: "Yeah?"

Almanzo: "There's nothing cuter than a little girl in pig tails."

That line makes no sense, given that Laura is clearly not wearing pig tails in that scene.  Is there anything I'm missing?

I interpreted it as him insinuating he likes the pigtails better than her more mature look because he thought of her as a child rather than a young woman. I also thought those early scenes with him and Laura were creepy as fuck. 

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10 minutes ago, Zella said:

I interpreted it as him insinuating he likes the pigtails better than her more mature look because he thought of her as a child rather than a young woman. I also thought those early scenes with him and Laura were creepy as fuck. 

They should have started dressing her older way sooner than they did.  I don't think it would have changed the urk! factor, though.  That scene where Laura was sitting in Almanzo's robe in bare feet was still creepy, even though the situation was innocent.  How would she have bathed and gotten all the mud out by herself?  They should have indicated that Eliza Jane helped her or something.

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8 minutes ago, Brn2bwild said:

They should have started dressing her older way sooner than they did.  I don't think it would have changed the urk! factor, though.  That scene where Laura was sitting in Almanzo's robe in bare feet was still creepy, even though the situation was innocent.  How would she have bathed and gotten all the mud out by herself?  They should have indicated that Eliza Jane helped her or something.

I think a combo of dressing/styling her as older and casting a guy closer to her age would have helped, as well as framing the dialogue and interactions in those scenes differently. Whenever he tells her that his special nickname for her would be their secret, I felt like I was watching someone film a manual on how to groom children. 

And I don't actually blame poor Dean Butler for that. I think he was working with what they gave him. But the writing in the early episodes where he seems to flirt with her constantly but then is like "OMG what do you mean you think I'm in love with a child?" was shocking to me because it made Almanzo seem both dumb and predatory.

As a side note, I'm still processing the fact that Walton Goggins played Almanzo in a 90s TV movie. I really like him as an actor, but he has such a case of crazy eyes that I have a hard time picturing it. 

I found book Almanzo quite charming and likable and their romance really sweet. And I hate romances and never react that way to them! I would have much preferred if they'd stuck closer to the book for that storyline. 

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I always liked Laura and Almanzo on the show.  Probably because I like Dean Butler in the role, but I thought they did a good job with the storyline and giving it the time it needed.  Melissa Gilbert came across as younger than LIW would have at the time, but I liked that they had a friendship on the show until the time was better for a romance.

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9 hours ago, Zella said:

As a side note, I'm still processing the fact that Walton Goggins played Almanzo in a 90s TV movie. I really like him as an actor, but he has such a case of crazy eyes that I have a hard time picturing it. 

I found book Almanzo quite charming and likable and their romance really sweet. And I hate romances and never react that way to them! I would have much preferred if they'd stuck closer to the book for that storyline. 

The 90s TV movie...OMG, where we have a blond Laura, a redheaded Mary, John Boy plays Pa, and Laura and Almanzo consummate their marriage out in a meadow (with Laura initiating the out-of-doors angle). 

I loved book Almanzo and how he courted Laura with taking home for the weekends from the school from hell (well, not so much the school, but the wife she had to board with). And practically swooned over him and Cap risking their lives to go for the wheat that quite literally saved the De Smet folks' lives (Laura and her family included). That he did this in real life is something.

Not to mention, he was quite the hottie in RL. No offense to Dean or Walter, but Original Recipe Almanzo was the fairest of all.

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2 minutes ago, icemiser69 said:

One of the three LHOTP episodes that Cozi is airing today is called, The Camp-Out.  I have set the DVR to record it, I haven't seen that episode before, but it does sound like it would be humorous given the description of the episode.

It's a make fun of Mrs. Oleson episode. It's a decent episode. 

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5 minutes ago, icemiser69 said:

When I think of Dean Butler, I think of, The New Gidget.

One of the three LHOTP episodes that Cozi is airing today is called, The Camp-Out.  I have set the DVR to record it, I haven't seen that episode before, but it does sound like it would be humorous given the description of the episode.

Oh, that episode is a MUST!

So don't be like Charles was.

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Partake in due haste!

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14 hours ago, Kyle said:

She was also a regular on Dynasty during its first season, playing the daughter of Claudia Blaisdel. I liked her as well. She has a Youtube channel and shares some of her memories in the comments.

Yes, she was, though I get a feeling she wasn't considered "sexy" enough for the show, so that is why it was only one season. 

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Dynasty was a different show in its first year - not just about the Carringtons but also about the middle class Blaisdels and even the old wildcatter, Walter Lankershim. By season 2, it was all about glamour and glitz and anyone who didn’t fit into that world was gone.

I like The Camp-Out a lot, though the Ingalls girls predictably let something awful happened to the Olesons and feel they are justified in their behavior.

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5 minutes ago, Kyle said:

I like The Camp-Out a lot, though the Ingalls girls predictably let something awful happened to the Olesons and feel they are justified in their behavior.

It's been a while, but wasn't it just Laura.  considering the rest of the episode, I do feel it's a bit justified, and in this case (unlike some other episodes), she didn't actually do anything.  She just failed to prevent.

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13 hours ago, Brn2bwild said:

Random question:

I'm watching "Back to School" again, and there's one scene where Laura, trying to impress Almanzo, appears at school with her hair long and straight.  She emphasizes her long hair, and Almanzo says: "Yeah, it looks real good."

Laura: "Yeah?"

Almanzo: "There's nothing cuter than a little girl in pig tails."

That line makes no sense, given that Laura is clearly not wearing pig tails in that scene.  Is there anything I'm missing?

 

13 hours ago, Zella said:

I interpreted it as him insinuating he likes the pigtails better than her more mature look because he thought of her as a child rather than a young woman. I also thought those early scenes with him and Laura were creepy as fuck. 

I for one interpreted it as he doesn't actually notice any change with her hair. Like he just compliments Laura on how cute she looks with her pigtails. And then Laura is shocked that he didn't even notice her new hairstyle.

By the way, when listening carefully, it's quite obvious that Almanzo's last line before "See ya, Beth" is an ADR-one. Maybe they even had different line there, maybe not.

And now that I checked this scene, I even found a goof: Laura has a plastic headband! I don't think there were those in 1870s-1880s.

 

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3 hours ago, CountryGirl said:

Oh, that episode is a MUST!

So don't be like Charles was.

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Partake in due haste!

He should have said there "Tell them I broke my ribs". That would had been more accurate, the one excuse the Olesons had believed, had it gone that far!

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15 minutes ago, Superclam said:

Did you make that .gif? If not, why that hell does that exist?? 

I found it on Google Images. I guess someone had a lot of time on their hands. LOL.

2 hours ago, Zella said:

I really enjoyed the first half of the camping episode a lot but found the last half pretty tedious. 

But it has the delightfully scratchy music.

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1 hour ago, CountryGirl said:

I found it on Google Images. I guess someone had a lot of time on their hands. LOL.

But it has the delightfully scratchy music.

It had a lot of potential. I loved how nice Harriet was for most of it, the conversations with Caroline and even with Nellie and Laura before the "you saw it coming" part. Even Nels and Harriet had nice moments. I wish it had ended without the lying. Why would Nellie do that? It didn't make sense.  I could see a lot of scenarios but not saying that leaf was poison ivy and allowing Miss Beadle to touch it seemed odd. Didn't they all grow up knowing about plants?

They could have had Charles do it and pretended they didn't know it was that leaf. Why hand it in for project after you went through all the itching etc ? Little thing but it always bugged me.

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I find it a bit strange that Miss Beadle, teacher and the one who gave the assignment, doesn't recognize poison ivy. And she's scratching her face, did she also rub the leaves on her face?

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13 hours ago, Pirpana said:

I find it a bit strange that Miss Beadle, teacher and the one who gave the assignment, doesn't recognize poison ivy. And she's scratching her face, did she also rub the leaves on her face?

I think she was a city person.  And, yeah, I imagine she did.  Didn't Mrs. Olson do that earlier because she said it was soft.

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52 minutes ago, Katy M said:

I think she was a city person.  And, yeah, I imagine she did.  Didn't Mrs. Olson do that earlier because she said it was soft.

Yes, but Charles and Caroline knew. What I found odd was that in treating them, she didn't educate them at the same time? So what if Willie was stupid, you don't let them all come down with poison ivy which made her Mom work too. And Nel's could have gotten it and probably would have in real life touching everything.

I understand they felt justified but later saying to their mother (in real life) I think one of the leaves they got "might be poison ivy" might have had her look and say something.

I love the moments when Harriet and Caroline are civil and nice and Harriet was a trooper with her tea set...lol. She didn't complain when she fell this time and accepted help when offered without gloat. They were 2 mothers worried about their kids. Then (to me) Nellie was worse than usual because she didn't have to say anything, they both just had an accident, it didn't have to be a "fault" thing. Laura could have explained it to her parents later . It just seemed like the writers just couldn't think of a way to end it where they weren't friendly.

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7 hours ago, Brn2bwild said:

TV Show Carrie is the biggest fool who ever lived, but in "Werewolf of Walnut Grove," they really should have told her about their plan to fool the bully beforehand.

I always skip this one. I also skip "Bully Boys." I guess I don't like prairie bullying. 

"Werewolf" is followed by "The Angry Heart," which I can also skip. 

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13 hours ago, Brn2bwild said:

TV Show Carrie is the biggest fool who ever lived, but in "Werewolf of Walnut Grove," they really should have told her about their plan to fool the bully beforehand.

Something tells me even if they had told her, she still would have found a way to screw it up.

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12 hours ago, Superclam said:

I always skip this one. I also skip "Bully Boys." I guess I don't like prairie bullying. 

"Werewolf" is followed by "The Angry Heart," which I can also skip. 

Plus, by Werewolf they seem to have completely forgotten how they solved the bully problem before - by collectively beating the crap out of the bully.

I skip The Angry Heart, too. I feel so bad for the grandparents.

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More watching of iconically dark episodes.  I watched "May We Make Them Proud" (aka the Baby Battering Ram episode):

1. Surprised me that the entire fire happened in the first 15 minutes of Part One.

2. BBR was just as disturbing as I recalled. The last close-up of Alice Garvey was the stuff of nightmares.

3. Watching the suffering in this episode made me wonder why Nellie is jealous of Laura.  Laura lost a baby brother, her sister went blind, her nephew burned to death, her family is poor and lost their crops/farm/whatever God knows how many times. Meanwhile, Nellie's parents love her and her brother is a pest but not too bad.  The worst thing that happened to Nellie is that she discovered she had an overweight aunt.   

4. Do we know how Mary views Albert? She never lived with him, never got a chance to adjust to him being part of their family. I would have loved it if at some point she said coldly: "My Pa may have adopted you, but you will never be my brother."

5. After the first harrowing 15 minutes, the two-parter was really slow and Albert-centric. He seemed to be the only person who felt anything other than (obviously) Mary/Adam and Jonathan/Andy. Charles and Carolyn were practically cheerful, almost as if they knew their "grandson" was fake all along.  

6. It's so weird to have these episodes juxtaposed against the more cheerful, corny episodes where Laura is in love with Almanzo.  Speaking of, where was he in this episode? 

 

ETA: In "Wilder and Wilder," I can't believe Albert is fighting Andy over a girl when in JUST THE LAST EPISODE ALBERT KILLED HIS MOTHER, OMG.

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Yes there was a lot of forgetfulness in LHOP. I hadn't noticed but many fans say Caroline was made to act coldly about a new grandchild with Charles acting like Mary's baby never existed. They had a house burn down, kids relocated, 2 died and then it's business as usual. Really not much is mentioned again. I found myself wondering about the kids who were relocated a lot.

Caroline had such an awful reaction to Grace's pregnancy and her son's death, I thought she seemed a little off with Mary and her loss. It wasn't even just his death, but most important, but they lost their school, their teaching, their good friend, someone was left motherless along with Mary.

I think when Mary said "How much more am I to take" she meant it on and off the air.

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16 minutes ago, icemiser69 said:

I think the problem is that there is no winning with mother Oleson and her cubs.  Harriett takes everything personally, and from the episodes I have seen, will defend her kids no matter what.

If Mary had told Harriet that Willie had run up and grabbed the poison ivy before she could stop him, Willie would have still blamed Mary, and Harriet would have backed Willie.

I don't know why Harriet sticks up for her kids so often even when they are in the wrong, which happens to be most, if not all of the time.

Yes, I always think it's a disservice to an actor to make them one dimensional. That is why I liked or loved when Harriot was "real" and not a caricature. When people were sick and she helped, when her old boyfriend/minister came into town, when they had to move and her and Caroline talked, when she was angry at Nel's, when they were afraid together at the camp out. I think she had a blind spot for her kids but knew them too. She knew Nellie was raised haughty and when Nel's kept repeating to her "He's marrying our daughter" over and over, re Percival, it was funny but also showed they knew she wasn't always the most welcoming person. I did like her with the pig farmers son and Percival though and she was another one dimensional person at times.  You can show someone has good points and still have them be the bad guy at times. Showing them happy together after Nellie and Laura were found and then fighting over something dumb walking back to camp could have been fine, with Charles and Caroline looking at each other with an eye roll. He didn't trust viewers to be able to see subtleties without constantly reminding us who was good and not.

Katherine tried to make her that way but she didn't write the scripts only was "difficult" on the set. ; )

  A quote from her, "MacGregor knew that she had to have some balance in her character. She said the thing that made her Little House on the Prairie role work so well was that she was a foolish woman. So, she was never truly a threat. Instead, she was just endlessly infuriating. She would sometimes have sweet redeeming moments as well."

 

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10 minutes ago, debraran said:

A quote from her, "MacGregor knew that she had to have some balance in her character. She said the thing that made her Little House on the Prairie role work so well was that she was a foolish woman. So, she was never truly a threat. Instead, she was just endlessly infuriating. She would sometimes have sweet redeeming moments as well."

 

I’ve heard Katherine MacGregor describe Harriet as “foolish” as well. What’s interesting is that in the early episodes, Harriet is not foolish at all, but instead a sharp, manipulative, often hateful character who is a threat. It’s only as time went on that they changed her into comic relief and she became foolish.

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I have way too much time on my hands, but gosh this is fun

 

(Early morning)

(Charles rises to scrambled eggs, tomatoes and bacon on the table. Charles smiles takes a whiff)"mmmmmmmmm fresh home made breakfast. can a man gt any luckier"

(Laura walks in) ugh eggs again!!cant we ever have pancakes! the olesons have pancakes 4x a week. and all we get is eggs

(Charles slaps Laura)
Charles: now you listen hear child, dont you ever disrespect your ma like that again. you eat your eggs or let your sister Carrie eat them

(Carrie smiles) "gooogaga bbaaa daaa reeeeee teee"

CharleS: see she appreciates your ma's cooking"

(Laura runs out of the house crying_
Caroline: LAURA! (chases after her, but Charles stands up grabs Caroline by the arm) Charles: let her go dear. shes gotta learn it the hard way

Mary: i dont mind eggs. their good for you! ill eta them every day!

Charles: ok brown noser shut up and eat your eggs


(charles walks to work and runs into the doc)
doc: charles ! how you doing
charles: good doc just about to go to work as usual. sun up to sun down just to scrape the barrell.
doc: well listen charles you still owe me 5 dollars for taking out marys tonsills
charles: listen here doc i aint got the money! sorry we arent all rich like the olesons!
doc charles i never said that
charles : i know what you meant! know look im running late. trying to get me fired now you country doctor!
(charles rips off his shirt and starts running, the doc gives a shocked look)

(charles gets to the mill) hanson: charles. you late again. that is 5 days in a row you late
charles: i know mr hanson and im sorry. the doc stopped me
hanson: yes he told me he looking for you. why you no pay your bill?
charles: becaus e not all of us are rich like you , you low paying dirty rotten sob(charles takes hammer and slams it against the building)
hanson: charles i let you go. im sorry, you a good worker but your attitude"
charleS: "huh like youll last 1 week without me!"

(charles spends all day walking then comes up with a plan)
(charles talking to himself) charles: yea thats what ill do. ill break in the olseons and steal the money hehehe

(11:00pm)

charles sneaks into olesons mercantile(shirt off), and takes all their money, he runs home and surpises caroline who has been looking for him(the next day charles tells caroline they have to go)

As they pack to leave, Nels ,Hanson, the  doc all show up. Charles gets nervous. Hanson tells charles he saw him sneaking out with the money

nels apologizes to charles that he is rich and charles is poor

nels says" keep 50% of what you got charles"

teh doc says ," dont worry charles ill never charge you again"

charles cries and says "what a group of friends."

laura runs home and says "mom we can have eggs everyday its ok"

charles takes out handful of money and says "half-pint well be eating pancakes from now on"

everyone laugh and charles smiles and winks at camera

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I don't know what kind of LH marathon Hallmark was running today, but I tuned in for the end of Blizzard, which was immediately followed by Albert Gets the Fatal Nosebleeds. 

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On 7/31/2021 at 6:28 AM, Kyle said:

I’ve heard Katherine MacGregor describe Harriet as “foolish” as well. What’s interesting is that in the early episodes, Harriet is not foolish at all, but instead a sharp, manipulative, often hateful character who is a threat. It’s only as time went on that they changed her into comic relief and she became foolish.

I think that may have been more from Miss MacGregor's own input and the realization that if Harriet (and, for that matter, Nellie) were to somehow be nothing but hateful with no Achilles' heels  ( or 'foolishness') the viewers would wind up hating them even more than Laura did! 

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8 hours ago, Blergh said:

I think that may have been more from Miss MacGregor's own input and the realization that if Harriet (and, for that matter, Nellie) were to somehow be nothing but hateful with no Achilles' heels  ( or 'foolishness') the viewers would wind up hating them even more than Laura did! 

She gave some very good interviews, one in a magazine book I read. Smart woman, very forceful. She got some other costars to occasionally give input when shy. She never was. ; )

I think she was right. Harriet was multi-faceted and always rose to the occasion when things were dire or someone was sick or hurt. They made her worse when they needed too but I'm glad you got to see shows where she wasn't. She told someone in an interview she was writing a memoir but I guess not or it wasn't finished. In the interview the author said " She has a lovely scene in the season six episode “The Preacher Takes a Wife,” when she and a former fiancé reconnect. Sure, 99 percent of the time, she was Walnut Grove’s version of Miss Gulch, but when tragedy hit, Harriet could rise to the occasion. Actor Dean Butler (Almanzo) gave an insightful comment in one of the DVD season six extras — “Little House” is not literal; it’s a child’s (i.e. Laura’s) perspective. That clicked for me and I appreciated MacGregor and Arngrim’s work even more.

I wish she had a little more balance but without her, the show would have been super saccharine at times.

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6 minutes ago, Superclam said:

ATTENTION: SCHLONG OF HEALING IS ON NOW. 

REPEAT: SCHLONG OF HEALING IS ON UPTV RIGHT NOW. 

THIS IS NOT A DRILL. 

It's been months since I finished this show, and I still have random moments during my day where my mind suddenly wonders why James got the schlong of healing and Albert didn't and why Charles was in denial about experiencing previous miracles. I HAVE SO MANY QUESTIONS?! 

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Albert killed Alice and Mary’s baby. Charles knew that the schlong of healing wouldn’t work for Albert because his God is vengeful. But the worst thing that James did was wear a bowl haircut and break Albert’s razor (note whose razor it was), so his God was willing to go along in that case.

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Perhaps I was naive (or simply didn't want to go there) but until I saw the online comments describing the Charles's structure as an. ..anatomy piece, I had just considered it nothing more than a failed chimney (and I would think any future pioneers happening upon it would have likely considered that hypothesis). 

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To be honest, and a bit crude, (I apologize in advance) it looks more like a buttplug of healing to me. 

9 hours ago, Blergh said:

(and I would think any future pioneers happening upon it would have likely considered that hypothesis). 

Depends on how swingin' those future pioneers were! 

9 hours ago, Zella said:

It's been months since I finished this show, and I still have random moments during my day where my mind suddenly wonders why James got the schlong of healing and Albert didn't and why Charles was in denial about experiencing previous miracles. I HAVE SO MANY QUESTIONS?! 

More importantly, why did James get a mismatched fake beard and moustache combo on Charles and Albert didn't? 

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Of course other questions arise such as not only how it would have been possible to feed James via the glass tube without James aspirating and/or choking on it if James was unconscious but also was James wearing extra large cloth diapers under his pants since there was no way he could have used a chamber pot,etc.  in his condition. 

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12 minutes ago, Blergh said:

Perhaps I was naive (or simply didn't want to go there) but until I saw the online comments describing the Charles's structure as an. ..anatomy piece, I had just considered it nothing more than a failed chimney (and I would think any future pioneers happening upon it would have likely considered that hypothesis). 

As a former English major, I'm pretty gleeful about spotting phallic symbols and making other people uncomfortable with them. So, i totally thought it looked like well that, but I didn't apply the glorious schlong name to it until I saw people here using it.

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  She told someone in an interview she was writing a memoir but I guess not or it wasn't finished. In the interview the author said 

Ah, but let's not forget that Miss MacGregor had been an only child, , long since divorced and had never   had children of her own so (unless there's an unknown executor of whatever estate she may have left), there truly were no  known survivors who would have benefited/profited from it being published after her death.  Hence, it's possible she may have completed the manuscript but for the above reasons, it will never see the light of day (and may have even been thrown out by the nursing home staff,etc. clearing out her belongings after her demise in 2018). 

BTW, Eddie Albert mentioned in an interview (when he was 88) that he was writing his own autobio but it wouldn't be too much longer before he was diagnosed with Alzheimer's and would die at age 99 (and his caregiving son Edward Albert would die the next year of lung cancer at age 55- and no trace of any Albert autobio has been noted).

Hence,it's possible that not only was Miss MacGregor unable to finish it before her death but she herself may not have been in any shape to have been still working on for some time beforehand. The last known reaction of Miss MacGregor was in joining Richard Bull's widow at their nursing home in commemorating 'their' husband after his death in 2014 but what kind of shape she was thereafter for the last four years of her own life has been kept quiet. 

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1 hour ago, Superclam said:

In further, if less dramatic, broadcast news: the Hallmark Drama Channel is once again showing our favorite show in the afternoons! Take that, Dr. Quinn! 

Dr Quinn would be much better if had more blind people. And orphans. And blind orphans. And fires. And mimes running around attacking people.

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59 minutes ago, icemiser69 said:

Cozi airs LHOTP from 3pm-6pm everyday, and 6am - 9am on Saturdays.

I don't know if Hallmark Drama censors language or not.  I know that on the mothership there have been quite a few awkward pauses during Frasier episodes.  I have waited all of these years and still have not seen the High Holidays episode aired on that network.

Cozi is not available with my cable package for whatever reason. It's on UPTv in the morning and weekends. It was on Hallmark Drama in the afternoons for a long time, and then it ended for Dr. Quinn. 

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31 minutes ago, icemiser69 said:

Here is a link to their website where you can punch in your zip code and they will tell you if they have a local provider.  New digital sub-channels pop up on my cable system, all of the time.   I don't even notice them unless I am looking for them.

Thanks. That came up with a big goose egg for me. Anyway, I have UPTv in the morning, Hallmark Drama in the afternoon, Amazon and Peacock on demand. That should take care of my Little House needs. 

For whatever reason, I'd rather watch broadcast than stream. I think that way I can watch with one eye and do other things with the other. When I stream shows, I feel a need to pay perfect attention. No idea why. 

On another note, today is real-life Carrie Ingalls birthday! 

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