Little House On The Prairie - General Discussion

[Zella]

1 hour ago, Superclam said:

morPHINE? It's a classic. Charles' boss is such a dick in that one! 

Yes it was that one! As much as I like to pick on Pa and Michael Landon, I will admit that episode was certainly more dynamic than most of season 9. And Charlie kept his shirt on! I was proud of him for that.

I could have done without Albert vomiting. I am very sensitive about puking scenes. They make me puke, so I kept covering my face until that was over. I didn't think Morphine Vesuvius would ever end. 

[Zella]

Also apparently Amazon has scenes removed from their Prime episodes of LHOTP? It cut away from Albert stealing Hester Sue's sugar, and I figured out right away why he was interested in it but was puzzled why it didn't show a scene of him swapping out the morphine. But apparently there is a scene they just didn't show! 

[debraran]

7 hours ago, Superclam said:

morPHINE? It's a classic. Charles' boss is such a dick in that one! 

I always felt Charles should work for the nice shop owner who let Albert have another chance. He resurrected as the guy previously who died of a heart attack and made Charles want to do woodworking. Claude Earl Jones was the actor, who passed away recently but I would have liked to see him as a semi regular back then.

I would tell Mr Landon, there are good people in the city, they all aren't harlots and nasty men. I wish they let them experience one that wasn't a minister but for plot purposes Walnut Grove had to be a haven.

When you think about it though, Walnut Grove had rapists, child abusers, nasty gossip, racists and bullies. It was much quieter though.

Edited March 23, 2021 by debraran

[Pirpana]

9 hours ago, Zella said:

Also apparently Amazon has scenes removed from their Prime episodes of LHOTP? It cut away from Albert stealing Hester Sue's sugar, and I figured out right away why he was interested in it but was puzzled why it didn't show a scene of him swapping out the morphine. But apparently there is a scene they just didn't show! 

Actually, it's not just Amazon. Amazon uses Lionsgate's restored DVDs/Blu-rays as their source and that episode is about five minutes shorter than it should on those as well. Scene(s) are intact on that abysmal old DVD release, though. There was a lot of talk about it when Lionsgate released their Remastered Editions how they were supposed to be "uncut" version and yet there was this kind of omissions. This wasn't the only one although but by far most crucial.

Edited March 23, 2021 by Pirpana

[RedbirdNelly]

13 hours ago, Zella said:

So less "He called me PRETTY" and more "HE called me pretty"? That makes sense. I'll have to rewatch it and see if my reaction changes. 

yes--although I was thinking about this while trying to sleep and if I remember correctly, she says this after being really mean to him and there probably isn't the foundation for her to already be into him--but that's how I took it. Logical or not, I enjoyed their "how they got together" story. 

[jird]

16 hours ago, Zella said:

So less "He called me PRETTY" and more "HE called me pretty"? That makes sense. I'll have to rewatch it and see if my reaction changes. 

I wonder if it was related to the fact that Harriet told her that they bought Nellie the restaurant so that she could get a husband, which might have changed her self-perception, too. Her mom had always acted like Nellie was the queen of everything, so to have Harriet admit that maybe Nellie needed something this big and expensive to get a man could have been a blow to her.

[Zella]

7 minutes ago, jird said:

I wonder if it was related to the fact that Harriet told her that they bought Nellie the restaurant so that she could get a husband, which might have changed her self-perception, too. Her mom had always acted like Nellie was the queen of everything, so to have Harriet admit that maybe Nellie needed something this big and expensive to get a man could have been a blow to her.

That could be, though I find that entire subplot about the restaurant so harebrained and illogical that it distracts me. There were a lot of cheaper ways to make Nellie look like a promising bride that didn't involve creating an entire business for her that is actually not as prestigious for the time period as the show made it out to be. The Oleson family were good enough actors to make it work, but I feel like Nellie's Restaurant is probably one of the first manifestations of shark jumping in the show. 

Edited March 23, 2021 by Zella

[jason88cubs]

2 inches of rain today. Crops are ruined, cant pay the mercantile, looks like I'll have to travel 50 miles for work

 

At least I got my good friend Chris the Handyman to look in on my wife make sure she's ok

[debraran]

Someone in France built a LHOP village and set it to music. One of the coolest LHOP craft I've seen.  The pic below shows it as I first saw it and then I found this video on youtube.

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

Watching "Charles Helps Drunk Dad" now. We see Charlie at his most self-righteous and face-punchy. All we're missing is nipples! 

Those bats are still kind of creepy! 

[Tamiele]

I've got an x-rated comment to inject into the otherwise g-rated LHOP commentary.  I have just watched the marriage of L and A and now they are living their married life.  I think it was a very missed opportunity to not inject some 14+ extra movie whereby those of us who had such a crush on Dean Butler could have seen some wild kingdom on the prairie. 😜

[debraran]

1 hour ago, Tamiele said:

I've got an x-rated comment to inject into the otherwise g-rated LHOP commentary.  I have just watched the marriage of L and A and now they are living their married life.  I think it was a very missed opportunity to not inject some 14+ extra movie whereby those of us who had such a crush on Dean Butler could have seen some wild kingdom on the prairie. 😜

Nellie had more of that with both beaus! 

[Zella]

I just realized I'm getting ready to watch the orangutan episode. I'm so ridiculously excited! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[Mr. Sparkle]

I'll admit, I'm a little jealous. I remember my first time. 

[Zella]

That was a wild ride. Overall, it definitely has the feel of a show that knows it is on its last leg and is trying way too hard, but the orangutan was a more dynamic performer than most of the guests for season 9. 😂

[Mr. Sparkle]

I'll say this about Blanche, most of which I've said before, but since we're all talking about Little House in the Prairie in 2021, I'll assume we're not that busy. 

1. It's not that bad an episode for Season 9. Certainly better than "Little Lou." 
2. The late 70s - early 80s were a big time for companion primates. See "Any Which Way But Loose" and "BJ and the Bear." 
3. Most importantly: notice how Blanche reacted to the fire by TAKING THE FREAKING BABY OUT OF THE HOUSE UNLIKE THE ACTUAL ADULT HUMANS!!!!! 

[Katy M]

20 minutes ago, Superclam said:

I'll say this about Blanche, most of which I've said before, but since we're all talking about Little House in the Prairie in 2021, I'll assume we're not that busy. 

1. It's not that bad an episode for Season 9. Certainly better than "Little Lou." 
2. The late 70s - early 80s were a big time for companion primates. See "Any Which Way But Loose" and "BJ and the Bear." 
3. Most importantly: notice how Blanche reacted to the fire by TAKING THE FREAKING BABY OUT OF THE HOUSE UNLIKE THE ACTUAL ADULT HUMANS!!!!! 

1. I don't even remember that other episode (even after looking it up), so you're probably right.

2. Yep.  I can think of 2 more shows off the top of my head that had primate guest stars.  Definitely a fad or trend.

3. that's not fair.  You know there was something about that town that made them thinking leaving babies in a fire was a good idea.  Actually wasn't Jenny alone with Blanche and Rose?  Didn't Blanche start the fire when Jenny went out to the barn to milk the cow or something?

[Mr. Sparkle]

39 minutes ago, Katy M said:

You know there was something about that town that made them thinking leaving babies in a fire was a good idea.

If I were a scientist, I would work hard to isolate that gene. Is it hereditary? Did it come from Charles' side, or Caroline's? All questions we will likely never have answered. 😞

41 minutes ago, Katy M said:

Actually wasn't Jenny alone with Blanche and Rose?  Didn't Blanche start the fire when Jenny went out to the barn to milk the cow or something?

I don't remember at all. We can ask @Zella, who watched it last night. Still, I would say that even if you don't start the fire, you should probably still save children (and anyone else, really) from said fire. 

[Zella]

Blanche was innocent! ROSE started the fire even though our primate friend shook her head no at the baby to let the little fool know touching the lamp was a bad idea! Jenny was out in the barn, being derelict in her babysitting duties. She was milking a cow on demand instead of a milking schedule. My eyes, how they rolled when that happened. 

Edited March 27, 2021 by Zella

[Mr. Sparkle]

I'll just add - I was just in the supermarket and they were playing "We Didn't Start the Fire."

 

[Blergh]

17 hours ago, Zella said:

I just realized I'm getting ready to watch the orangutan episode. I'm so ridiculously excited! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

It marked virtually the ONLY time  on the show in which Mr. Edwards's muted adopted son Matthew got a mention after Mr. Edwards had gone through SO much to save him from that criminally abusive carnie who'd kept him hooked on morphine to 'entertain' paying customers before his own long-lost (and deeply regretful) father reclaimed him. . Anyway, once Blanche (the orangutan) got on the scene, it was quickly explained that Matthew was riding  with Mr. John Carter on a business trip to Mankato. I suppose the writers couldn't imagine how this mute, traumatized youth could have had silly, slapstick interaction with his guardian and an orangutan so they had to shoo the character away with the one regular who likely was the least likely  to have initiated any dialogue with him or anyone else on the show.  Sorry, but Mr. Carter made dishwater seem downright electrifying (though, I imagine Mrs. Carter likely appreciated her husband's earnestness and dullness after having had to deal with her overwhelming and manipulative  male parent her entire early life- why else would a rich publisher's daughter have eloped with a blacksmith) 

Edited March 27, 2021 by Blergh

[Zella]

20 minutes ago, Blergh said:

It marked virtually the ONLY time  on the show in which Mr. Edwards's muted adopted son Matthew got a mention after Mr. Edwards had gone through SO much to save him from that criminally abusive carnie who'd kept him hooked on morphine to 'entertain' paying customers before his own long-lost (and deeply regretful) father reclaimed him. . Anyway, once Blanche (the orangutan) got on the scene, it was quickly explained that Matthew was riding  with Mr. John Carter on a business trip to Mankato. I suppose the writers couldn't imagine how this mute, traumatized youth could have had silly, slapstick interaction with his guardian and an orangutan so they had to shoo the character away with the one regular who likely was the least likely  to have initiated any dialogue with him or anyone else on the show.  Sorry, but Mr. Carter made dishwater seem downright electrifying (though, I imagine Mrs. Carter likely appreciated her husband's earnestness and dullness after having had to deal with her overwhelming and manipulative  male parent her entire early life- why else would a rich publisher's daughter have eloped with a blacksmith) 

Hehe yes I thought that too about poor Matthew! And yes the Carters are so boring. He is way worse than her, but the kids are bland as well. I have no clue why they were brought in. 

[Zella]

I actually need to pick the brains of the experts. I watch the last episode next and then it will be the 3 movies. I am confused by the order of the movies since it seems like the order they were aired is not necessarily chronological. I know I should watch the town exploding last. But recommendations for which of the other 2 movies to watch first?

[Mr. Sparkle]

You can watch Bless the Children and Look Back to Yesterday in any order, since they really don't have much to do with each other. Personally, I would watch Look Back to Yesterday first, just because it was made first and released first. I would watch Bless the Children next and then Last Farewell. 

[Zella]

7 minutes ago, Superclam said:

You can watch Bless the Children and Look Back to Yesterday in any order, since they really don't have much to do with each other. Personally, I would watch Look Back to Yesterday first, just because it was made first and released first. I would watch Bless the Children next and then Last Farewell. 

Thank you! I am adding them to my watchlist in that order to avoid confusing myself. 🙂

[Zella]

One other thing about the Blanche episode, is that the first time a sheriff is mentioned on the show? I remember several times it has come up that they had no sheriff, but they clearly had one in that episode who was gunning for poor Blanche! 

[BigBingerBro]

1 minute ago, Zella said:

is that the first time a sheriff is mentioned on the show?

In the early days, they didn't - Mr Sprague said he was going to report Laura and her dog to the sherrif of Walnut Grove and she she said he couldn't as there wasn't one.

[Zella]

11 minutes ago, BigBingerBro said:

In the early days, they didn't - Mr Sprague said he was going to report Laura and her dog to the sherrif of Walnut Grove and she she said he couldn't as there wasn't one.

Thank you! I remember that coming up a few times as them not having any law enforcement but couldn't remember which episodes. 

[jason88cubs]

I'm surprised we didnt get a random episode with a sherrif who was then never heard from again

[Zella]

I want to throat punch Sherwood Montague. He's set up as the smartest guy in the room, but he doesn't actually know when the Georgian Period is, despite being treated as an expert on everything, and of course, Laura and Almanzo are too dumb to know any better. Despite Laura having been a teacher. I'm hoping he's a scam artist, but I think the show was literally just too lazy to care. 

[Pirpana]

^Those kind of inaccuracies are indeed very annoying. It's same kind of carelessness I pointed out once about the sea-enthusiastic, leukemia-dying Dylan who didn't know that the sea god of Ancient Greece was Poseidon, not Neptune (S5E24).

[Zella]

3 minutes ago, Pirpana said:

^Those kind of inaccuracies are indeed very annoying. It's same kind of carelessness I pointed out once about the sea-enthusiastic, leukemia-dying Dylan who didn't know that the sea god of Ancient Greece was Poseidon, not Neptune (S5E24).

Yeah as a history buff, the Georgian Period isn't even of major interest to me, but as soon as he snootily dated the furniture as late 1600s Georgian, I was immediately like "Bitch, please." LOL

[Zella]

Now Edwards is mourning Matthew's departure, even though he seemed to forget he was there half the time?! I think the show spent more time bringing him to Walnut Grove and then just got bored with him. 

[Pirpana]

Well, now you know what I meant earlier when I said you were in for a treat, within quotation marks. 😄

[Zella]

Just for the hell of it I decided to start watching one of the movies. Harriet is missing from the credits?!?! THIS IS AN OUTRAGE! 

[Blergh]

58 minutes ago, Zella said:

Now Edwards is mourning Matthew's departure, even though he seemed to forget he was there half the time?! I think the show spent more time bringing him to Walnut Grove and then just got bored with him. 

Yep! And even when Isaiah was courting Laura's same age friend and considering marrying her, somehow not only was Matthew somehow MIA the whole time but none of them even  mentioned him.

Too bad because it would have been interesting to have pondered not only how this young woman would have reacted to this muted youth but whether she herself would have been in any way been ready or even willing to have helped Isaiah parent him- even though he'd never be able to speak a coherent word again and would have to rely on sign language and writing to communicate even if he somehow were able to eventually make the most of his life despite having been horrifically abused and exploited by so many for so long!  And would she have been   willing, able and/or ready to undertake such a responsibility  beyond just loving Isaiah for who HE was despite the age gap and his own troubled marital history? And how would Matthew himself have reacted  to her since(as it turned out) his own bio mother died shortly after his destitute parents entrusted him to this horrible couple who should have been imprisoned for having hideously and permanently debilitated  him via pouring lye down his throat and THEN sold him off to that wretched carnie who kept him hooked on morphine while taunting him in a cage for cruel folks' 'entertainment'. Would he have wanted her to be his new mother?  Sadly, he never got a chance to have another mother much less a female foster parent as his deeply remorseful father was widowed by the time he was reunited with Matthew! 

[Zella]

7 minutes ago, Blergh said:

Yep! And even when Isaiah was courting Laura's same age friend and considering marrying her, somehow not only was Matthew somehow MIA the whole time but none of them even  mentioned him.

Too bad because it would have been interesting to have pondered not only how this young woman would have reacted to this muted youth but whether she herself would have been in any way been ready or even willing to have helped Isaiah parent him- even though he'd never be able to speak a coherent word again and would have to rely on sign language and writing to communicate even if he somehow were able to eventually make the most of his life despite having been horrifically abused and exploited by so many for so long!  And would she have been   willing, able and/or ready to undertake such a responsibility  beyond just loving Isaiah for who HE was despite the age gap and his own troubled marital history? And how would Matthew himself have reacted  to her since(as it turned out) his own bio mother died shortly after his destitute parents entrusted him to this horrible couple who should have been imprisoned for having hideously and permanently debilitated  him via pouring lye down his throat and THEN sold him off to that wretched carnie who kept him hooked on morphine while taunting him in a cage for cruel folks' 'entertainment'. Would he have wanted her to be his new mother?  Sadly, he never got a chance to have another mother much less a female foster parent as his deeply remorseful father was widowed by the time he was reunited with Matthew! 

Yeah in that episode, he literally tells Laura that he lives by himself and is lonely. And I was just like, what about the kid you adopted 4 episodes ago? 

The movie I'm watching is the Albert has leukemia one. Why doesn't Albert get a Schlong of Healing like James?

[Katy M]

10 hours ago, Blergh said:

ven though he'd never be able to speak a coherent word again and would have to rely on sign language and writing to communicate

And she was blind, so communicating via sign language with her would be that much more difficult.

[debraran]

10 hours ago, Zella said:

Yeah in that episode, he literally tells Laura that he lives by himself and is lonely. And I was just like, what about the kid you adopted 4 episodes ago? 

The movie I'm watching is the Albert has leukemia one. Why doesn't Albert get a Schlong of Healing like James?

Admitting the writing was awful toward the end no matter who wrote it.  Mr Edwards wasn't alone his whole life and made choices. He never after loving them for so long, want to write or see his children. I know she remarried, but he was a part of their lives for a long time. Except for contractual issues and pay (maybe a cheaper show?) they never wanted other actors to stay, Matthew was an odd one being "adopted", Rev Alden's wife died later in real life but I doubt we would have seen her later. Doc had one young girlfriend but in all his travels, was alone every day of his life when not playing checkers with Mr Hanson. I never could understand why that was since he was so captivated by Kate. Ok, she was young, no one a little older in your travels who lost a husband or never married?

Matthew bothered me the most because he had so many issues and they had him missing a lot or not even mentioned and then conveniently gone.

[Blergh]

On 3/28/2021 at 7:44 AM, debraran said:

 

Matthew bothered me the most because he had so many issues and they had him missing a lot or not even mentioned and then conveniently gone.

I totally agree!

 

If they couldn't imagine how to incorporate a mute character as a regular on the show, they simply should have had his long-lost father show up at the end and reclaim him right then and there (especially since it only took about ten minutes in the 'exit arc' episode for Matthew to go from totally rejecting his heartwrenching side of the story to wanting to live with him) . 

But then, they didn't know what to do with challenged characters on a regular basis. They had Mary and Adam attend the circus with the Blind School, yet, oddly enough, they almost never had them or their charges (much less the perfectly sighted Hester Sue) attend a church service which every other family in Walnut Grove  seemed to do- nor did any of them conduct business at Oleson's Mercantile- all this despite the blind school being in a large house in easy walking distance from the town center. 

Edited March 30, 2021 by Blergh

[Zella]

I just watched the movie where the woman kidnaps Rose and was absolutely appalled that at the end they thought it was a good idea for her and her husband to adopt Sam. And Laura goes batshit crazy on Almanzo for him not watching Rose but when she meets the woman who actually kidnapped her daughter, she's just fine with her?! She was madder at Doc Baker for "killing" her son!

Before the end, I was thinking, "Now if you hoodlums give Edwards this kid after you already took away Matthew, I am going to go postal," but I think that ending would have actually made me less mad. 

I was so mad it took me three times to spell Almanzo's name correctly in this post. LOL

[Mr. Sparkle]

I'm not saying you're wrong, but for me, I couldn't get past that magical star. Edwards was really playing the Charles role there. 

[Zella]

5 minutes ago, Superclam said:

I'm not saying you're wrong, but for me, I couldn't get past that magical star. Edwards was really playing the Charles role there. 

Oh yeah that episode was a pile of shit for many reasons! But that was the one I couldn't get past! 

[Mr. Sparkle]

They were pretty nice to the woman who stole their child and would have kept her if they didn't find her. 

[suev3333]

On 3/22/2021 at 10:42 PM, Zella said:

Yes it was that one! As much as I like to pick on Pa and Michael Landon, I will admit that episode was certainly more dynamic than most of season 9. And Charlie kept his shirt on! I was proud of him for that.

I could have done without Albert vomiting. I am very sensitive about puking scenes. They make me puke, so I kept covering my face until that was over. I didn't think Morphine Vesuvius would ever end. 

Yep... I cant watch the morphine one to this day.  It scared me when i was young.  And I'm 51 now. Lol

[debraran]

7 hours ago, Blergh said:

I totally agree!

 

If they couldn't imagine how to incorporate a mute character as a regular on the show, they simply should have had his long-lost father show up at the end and reclaim him right then and there (especially since it only took about ten minutes in the 'exit arc' episode for Matthew to go from totally rejecting his heartwrenching side of the story to wanting to live with him) . 

But then, they didn't know what to do with challenged characters on a regular basis. They had Mary and Adam attend the circus with the Blind School, yet, oddly enough, they never once had them or their charges (much less the perfectly sighted Hester Sue) attend a church service which every other family in Walnut Grove  seemed to do- nor did any of them conduct business at Oleson's Mercantile- all this despite the blind school being in a large house in easy walking distance from the town center. 

Also they were supposed to be getting used to being in the " real world" so it would be good to see them at the store or church. I never thought of that and church was so important back then. Did Hester Sue? I vaguely remember a show with Joe Kagan and not wanting him in the church. So Christian and nice of the town. I also on a personal note didn't find it funny when in an outtake shown later on youtube etc, Michael knocks on Joe's door as he does on the show to tell him "sorry" they voted no again about him attending, but he's dressed like the KKK. I'm sure everyone laughed, he was the star of the show, known for bad practical jokes, but being part of a mixed family, thought it wasn't something to joke about. Maybe too sensitive but it really isn't something of the past.

I thought the blind school and Mary etc could have been used much more. He already had her married, but I felt could have had her adopt a blind child rather than have their own. Why give Adam his sight back? It seems like someone at that point was just winging it which maybe is why Melissa Sue thought it was a good time to leave.

Edited March 29, 2021 by debraran

[Blergh]

5 hours ago, debraran said:

Also they were supposed to be getting used to being in the " real world" so it would be good to see them at the store or church. I never thought of that and church was so important back then. Did Hester Sue? I vaguely remember a show with Joe Kagan and not wanting him in the church. So Christian and nice of the town. I also on a personal note didn't find it funny when in an outtake shown later on youtube etc, Michael knocks on Joe's door as he does on the show to tell him "sorry" they voted no again about him attending, but he's dressed like the KKK. I'm sure everyone laughed, he was the star of the show, known for bad practical jokes, but being part of a mixed family, thought it wasn't something to joke about. Maybe too sensitive but it really isn't something of the past.

I thought the blind school and Mary etc could have been used much more. He already had her married, but I felt could have had her adopt a blind child rather than have their own. Why give Adam his sight back? It seems like someone at that point was just winging it which maybe is why Melissa Sue thought it was a good time to leave.

Yes, (even factoring ML's notoriety for playing practical jokes) for ML to have done that to the late Moses Gunn was incredibly tacky and insensitive. I'll give more points of view on this as well as how they treated Joe Kagan and Hester Sue in the 'Race and Ethnicity' Subforum if you'd like to view it.

I agree! Why did they give Adam his sight back- especially since he proved to be a totally insensitive and ungrateful jerk to Mary after the fact (and NONE of her family or friends attempted to call him on that).  And, with him thinking that he had become  somehow too good and talented to waste his 'gifts' teaching blind children, that they just scattered all of them to the wind without  a backwards glance ( and they had treated these students as though they were their de facto children). And why  couldn't Mary herself still taught them even if Mr. Legal Eagle Wannabee couldn't be bothered? Would it have killed him for her to still be helping guide blind children? 

Yeah, it seemed that apart from a few 'Very Special Episodes' in which some disaster was threatening the blind kids' safety or it was used for a plot point to link a newbie with the others, Walnut Grove more or less treated the school like a leper colony once they finished renovating the building! 

[Zella]

45 minutes ago, Blergh said:

Yes, (even factoring ML's notoriety for playing practical jokes) for ML to have done that to the late Moses Gunn was incredibly tacky and insensitive.

Wow, that "joke" was appalling. Michael Landon was half-Jewish, and something tells me he probably wouldn't have been amused if someone would have done the same thing to him with a Nazi uniform. 

[CountryGirl]

On 3/27/2021 at 8:44 PM, Zella said:

Yeah as a history buff, the Georgian Period isn't even of major interest to me, but as soon as he snootily dated the furniture as late 1600s Georgian, I was immediately like "Bitch, please." LOL

Montague was an insufferable asshole. The only time I liked him was during the final Christmas episode (i.e. Rose gets kidnapped) and he showed up at the Carters home after being, what else, an insufferable asshole, and he's dressed as Santa and bearing gifts. 

But outside of that, when I break down and watch some of the S9 episodes, I constantly think STFU, Montague! whenever he's onscreen.

[Zella]

2 minutes ago, CountryGirl said:

Montague was an insufferable asshole. The only time I liked him was during the final Christmas episode (i.e. Rose gets kidnapped) and he showed up at the Carters home after being, what else, an insufferable asshole, and he's dressed as Santa and bearing gifts. 

But outside of that, when I break down and watch some of the S9 episodes, I constantly think STFU, Montague! whenever he's onscreen.

I cannot even describe my anger upon realizing he was in the movies and wasn't just in that last bit of season 9. LOL