Law & Order: Criminal Intent - General Discussion

[WendyCR72]

On 12/11/2020 at 10:23 AM, peacheslatour said:

He cut women's bodies up and kept the parts in his fridge and yes he was consuming them. He was partial to their calf muscles.

I remembered the cutting. Not the other stuff. Thank God I didn't. Even more of a reason to skip that episode. Yuck.  I'd thank you all for the reminder, but...pass.  😛

I do have to hand it to NPH, though: He played shy, creepy guy very effectively. I just could not fathom why Goren cared about what the hell happened to him. Maybe - awkward feelings wise, Goren saw a bit of himself in him? But Bobby wasn't a gross serial killer, so...yeah.

Just reinforces that Season 4 was mega-dark.

[peacheslatour]

9 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

I remembered the cutting. Not the other stuff. Thank God I didn't. Even more of a reason to skip that episode. Yuck.  I'd thank you all for the reminder, but...pass.  😛

I do have to hand it to NPH, though: He played shy,creepy guy very effectively. I just could not fathom why Goren cared about what the hell happened to him. Maybe - awkward feelings wise, Goren saw a bit of himself in him? But Bobby wasn't a gross serial killer, so...yeah.

Just reinforces that Season 4 was mega-dark.

I think you're right. Bobby saw something in the man's profound loneliness. That makes me sad. I hate to think Bobby felt so lonely.

[Xeliou66]

I didn’t get why Goren was so invested in what happened to Tagman either - well to a degree I understood that Goren saw some of his own loneliness and awkwardness in Tagman. I can personally relate to the feelings of loneliness and depression/anxiety that Tagman had, I have them as well, but my god Tagman was a sick psycho, pouring hot water onto women’s brains and consuming parts of their bodies, I would never have gone to bat for someone who committed such barbaric acts, so I thought it was somewhat over the top how Goren was committed to going to bat for him, and I found it out of character for Goren to yell at Carver like he did and I thought Deakins should’ve reprimanded him. Like I say, I wouldn’t have cared whether he got the death penalty.

Season 4 was extremely dark, but for the most part I liked the episodes. But Goren was off in both Want and the season premiere Semi-Detached, where he seemed to feel sympathy for the perp there as well. I don’t care for either episode because Goren seemed off. Fortunately Goren got back on track after that, but season 4 stayed really dark, creepy and weird.

[WendyCR72]

7 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

Season 4 was extremely dark, but for the most part I liked the episodes. But Goren was off in both Want and the season premiere Semi-Detached, where he seemed to feel sympathy for the perp there as well. I don’t care for either episode because Goren seemed off. Fortunately Goren got back on track after that, but season 4 stayed really dark, creepy and weird.

One thing I noticed - and not just in S4, but the show really seemed to like actress Carrie Preston. I know the show had other actors that repeated roles, but hers always seemed rather close together.

She was one of the creepy doctors' victims with the animal viruses in "Zoonotic" in Season 2.

Of course, in Season 4, she played the mom likely based on Susan Smith and/or Andrea Yates (likely the latter as she also had postpartum depression) who killed most of her kids in "Magnificat".

And in "Bedfellows" in Season 6, she played the killer daughter-in-law of Rip Torn's character, who killed her brother-in-law, Adlai, and loser hubby, Ted (whom RT's character always put down in contrast with favored son "My Addddlaaaaaaaaai!"). And the actress playing Adlai's messed-up wife, Charlene, come to think of it, was also in two close-together seasons, too., the aforementioned "Bedfellows" in S6, and "Reunion" (the Joan Jett as the victim episode!) in Season 7 as Tara Black.

ETA: The actress, Missy Crider [Charlene in "Bedfellows"], apparently was NOT in "Slither"! But the actress playing one of the besotted cult members of the perp sure looked like her features wise! My bad.

 

[WendyCR72]

I was watching "Depths" on Peacock the other night as there was nothing else on, and I still get a kick out of the scene when Goren/Eames bring in the gold coins to the clerk that deals with stolen stuff. When Goren/Eames ask him to describe the woman that brought them in, I love Eames' huff of disgust/exasperation when the guy describes Dana as "kind of old, 28".

I'd huff, too!

Still also liked their interplay with ol' Walter and the metal detector, too.

[Xeliou66]

1 hour ago, WendyCR72 said:

I was watching "Depths" on Peacock the other night as there was nothing else on, and I still get a kick out of the scene when Goren/Eames bring in the gold coins to the clerk tht deals with stolen stuff. When Goren/Eames ask him to describe the woman that brought them in, I loves Eames' huff of disgust/exasperation when the guy describes Dana as "kind of old, 28".

I'd huff, too!

Still also liked their interplay with ol' Walter and the metal detector, too.

Depths is a decent episode with some nice moments, but didn’t the rich guy who was the main villain in the episode basically commit the crimes because he didn’t want his black wife to find out that his ancestors had owned ships that were involved in the slave trade, or something like that? It’s been a while since I’ve seen the episode but that’s what I remember, and I didn’t buy that motive at all. Seriously, who would care what someone’s ancestors did, only a nut would judge someone by what their ancestors did over a century ago. That just seemed ludicrous to me. Maybe I missed something, the episode was complex, but I thought that was absurd.

[WendyCR72]

6 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

Depths is a decent episode with some nice moments, but didn’t the rich guy who was the main villain in the episode basically commit the crimes because he didn’t want his black wife to find out that his ancestors had owned ships that were involved in the slave trade, or something like that? It’s been a while since I’ve seen the episode but that’s what I remember, and I didn’t buy that motive at all. Seriously, who would care what someone’s ancestors did, only a nut would judge someone by what their ancestors did over a century ago. That just seemed ludicrous to me. Maybe I missed something, the episode was complex, but I thought that was absurd.

Well, that was part of it. But there was also the issue of the Roundtrees (or was it his other branch, the Harpers?) that were entitled to the money because of something in that codicil long ago, as the turncoat Ross talked about defrauded his family. The wealthy guy got greedy and knew he would lose a lot of his wealth if the treasure was discovered by his other relatives. So THAT, I got. Money is ALWAYS the true motive in almost anything.

Or love.

On another note, "Amends" is on Oxygen as I type. And I have said it before, but Kathryn Erbe really did get her chance to shine there. You could feel Alex's sorrow when she held Joe's shirt up to her face. I also liked Bobby using his maligned reputation as a "whackjob" to help Alex find the lost evidence related to Joe.

One part that I loved just for the realness and poignancy of it, and not being overwrought, was the discussion about how people just drifted away from Alex after the horror of Joe's murder faded and there was "no room" for her with their old circle of friends anymore. (As an aside, it was one of the very few [only?] times we saw Bobby, rather than Alex, driving.)

[peacheslatour]

I'm watching Brother's Keeper right now. Capt. Ross is reading some rent boy's internet ad aloud. Cracks me up when Goren goes "We can all read, Captain".

[WendyCR72]

8 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

I'm watching Brother's Keeper right now. Capt. Ross is reading some rent boy's internet ad aloud. Cracks me up when Goren goes "We can all read, Captain".

I love that part. Anything to knock Ross down, a bit! 🙂 The whole DVD angle with said rent boy seemed pointless, though, since it turned out the disc was gone. Tom Arnold did a decent job playing the downlow-gay preacher, though.

As I said before, I noticed many comics that did drama on this show did reasonably well. Besides Tom Arnold in "Brother's Keeper", there was Fran Drescher (who surprisingly was playing things low key and not at all heightened or campy) as the police commissioner's wife and mother of the victim [played by pre-GLOW Betty Gilpin, who also appeared in "Playing Dead" in S8 as Stacey, the young woman molested by her stepdad!] in "The War At Home", Darrell Hammond as the sleazy boss in "No Exit" in S4, and Doris Roberts in "Privilege" in S6. As well as Richard Kind, who was Roberts' son in that episode - and the perp! (Kind was a frequent guest on many comedy shows including Mad About You.)

[peacheslatour]

5 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

I love that part. Anything to knock Ross down, a bit! 🙂 The whole DVD angle with said rent boy seemed pointless, though, since it turned out the disc was gone. Tom Arnold did a decent job playing the downlow-gay preacher, though.

As I said before, I noticed many comics that did drama on this show did reasonably well. Besides Tom Arnold in "Brother's Keeper", there was Fran Drescher (who surprisingly was playing things low key and not at all heightened or campy) as the police commissioner's wife and mother of the victim [played by pre-GLOW Betty Gilpin, who also appeared in "Playing Dead" in S8 as Stacey, the young woman molested by her stepdad!] in "The War At Home", Darrell Hammond as the sleazy boss in "No Exit" in S4, and Doris Roberts in "Privilege" in S6. As well as Richard Kind, who was Roberts' son in that episode - and the perp! (Kind was a frequent guest on many comedy shows including Mad About You.)

All of that plus Jay Mohr as the shock jock as Nyle Brite.

[WendyCR72]

1 hour ago, peacheslatour said:

All of that plus Jay Mohr as the shock jock as Nyle Brite.

Shock jock?

I think Nyle Brite was probably based on other avante garde fashion designers like the late Alexander McQueen. But yep, I forgot he had a comedic career, too! (I know when this episode was made, it was to capitalize on Charlie Sheen's then-recent breakdown. You notice Nyle acted manic during that news interview and kept yelling, "INSTINCT!" in place of Sheen's "WINNING!")

[peacheslatour]

7 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Shock jock?

I think Nyle Brite was probably based on other avante garde fashion designers like the late Alexander McQueen. But yep, I forgot he had a comedic career, too! (I know when this episode was made, it was to capitalize on Charlie Sheen's then-recent breakdown. You notice Nyle acted manic during that news interview and kept yelling, "INSTINCT!" in place of Sheen's "WINNING!")

That's right. There was a shock jock on a different one. Who played that guy? 

[dargosmydaddy]

6 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

There was a shock jock on a different one. Who played that guy? 

Are you thinking of the one with Fisher Stevens?

[peacheslatour]

4 minutes ago, dargosmydaddy said:

Are you thinking of the one with Fisher Stevens?

The one where the crazy lady would call his show because she knew her ex listened to it on the train? I think she was a psychiatric nurse or something. Bobby pretended to be into her?

[WendyCR72]

4 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

The one where the crazy lady would call his show because she knew her ex listened to it on the train? I think she was a psychiatric nurse or something. Bobby pretended to be into her?

Sadly, I don't think Bobby was 100% pretending. Think his Mommy issues played into that. But that is the episode where Fisher Stevens was a shock jock and was killed by his fan. That was the Season 4 opener, "Semi-Detached". And the only S4 episode where VDO had a different opening credit photo unlike the rest of the 4th season [through S10, actually!].

[Xeliou66]

1 hour ago, WendyCR72 said:

Sadly, I don't think Bobby was 100% pretending. Think his Mommy issues played into that. But that is the episode where Fisher Stevens was a shock jock and was killed by his fan. That was the Season 4 opener, "Semi-Detached". And the only S4 episode where VDO had a different opening credit photo unlike the rest of the 4th season [through S10, actually!].

That episode always pisses me off because of how they implied Goren did actually care about the loony murderer, that was so stupid and soap opera-ish. The episode was fine up until that. And then 2 episodes later, we saw Goren go to bat for sicko cannibal Tagman. I have no idea what was up with Goren at the start of season 4 but it was weird and I’m glad it didn’t continue.

[WendyCR72]

1 hour ago, Xeliou66 said:

That episode always pisses me off because of how they implied Goren did actually care about the loony murderer, that was so stupid and soap opera-ish. The episode was fine up until that. And then 2 episodes later, we saw Goren go to bat for sicko cannibal Tagman. I have no idea what was up with Goren at the start of season 4 but it was weird and I’m glad it didn’t continue.

Like I said, in terms of his shyness and feeling lonely, I do think Goren did see a bit of himself in John Tagman and I think that clouded his judgment.

And where Nelda Carson in "Semi-Detached" was concerned, I think it was about the woman being mentally ill, hence my saying Goren had definite Mommy issues with that. Still, as you said, I'm glad - after those episodes - Goren seemed to snap out of it.

[peacheslatour]

13 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Sadly, I don't think Bobby was 100% pretending. Think his Mommy issues played into that. But that is the episode where Fisher Stevens was a shock jock and was killed by his fan. That was the Season 4 opener, "Semi-Detached". And the only S4 episode where VDO had a different opening credit photo unlike the rest of the 4th season [through S10, actually!].

I want to believe. I know at the end he said he didn't mean to like her but I choose to think he was play acting so I don't go postal.

[Xeliou66]

16 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:Like I said, in terms of his shyness and feeling lonely, I do think Goren did see a bit of himself in John Tagman and I think that clouded his judgment.

And where Nelda Carson in "Semi-Detached" was concerned, I think it was about the woman being mentally ill, hence my saying Goren had definite Mommy issues with that. Still, as you said, I'm glad - after those episodes - Goren seemed to snap out of it.

Yeah I kind of understood where Goren was coming from but neither of those perps deserved sympathy IMO, and I found it somewhat weird how Goren showed sympathy for the perps in 2 of the first 3 episodes of season 4. Fortunately that trend didn’t continue and Goren got back on track in season 4.

 

 

[WendyCR72]

7 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

I want to believe. I know at the end he said he didn't mean to like her but I choose to think he was play acting so I don't go postal.

Oh, I understand completely where that's concerned!  😉

[Dirtybubble]

On 12/23/2020 at 11:34 PM, WendyCR72 said:

And where Nelda Carson in "Semi-Detached" was concerned, I think it was about the woman being mentally ill, hence my saying Goren had definite Mommy issues with that. Still, as you said, I'm glad - after those episodes - Goren seemed to snap out of it.

Well I must be the only person who actually liked seeing that side of Bobby.  He doesn't have to be a hard a$$ 24/7.  😄  Bobby told Eams when she found out that he was giving her his pin badge is that she had a lot of empathy.  (I'm paraphrasing that might not have been his exact word) It lead me to believe that Goren was attracted to her because of her perceived kindness towards others, especially towards people with a mental illness.  He seems to find that attractive in people. 

I've always wondered if he was able to get that pin badge back?

[basiltherat]

Well, Bobby was just lucky that Nelda didn't kill somebody and interweave their hair in that pin badge to impress him!

[WendyCR72]

16 hours ago, Dirtybubble said:

Well I must be the only person who actually liked seeing that side of Bobby.  He doesn't have to be a hard a$$ 24/7.  😄  Bobby told Eams when she found out that he was giving her his pin badge is that she had a lot of empathy.  (I'm paraphrasing that might not have been his exact word) It lead me to believe that Goren was attracted to her because of her perceived kindness towards others, especially towards people with a mental illness.  He seems to find that attractive in people. 

I've always wondered if he was able to get that pin badge back?

I don't mind that side - but not towards the killers and psychos. That is where I draw the line. Which made a line from Declan in "Frame" disturbing: When he asked Bobby who he would miss more, his brother or Nicole?

Frank had major issues. But in the end, he was Bobby's FAMILY. And for Bobby to still hold any fascination for her, IMO, would be nauseating. Based on his discussion with Eames about how "[Nicole] went after my brother!", I'd hope that would be the end. But with his past history of trying to understand these freaks, I'm not so sure. I'd like to think continued therapy cured him of that...

11 hours ago, basiltherat said:

Well, Bobby was just lucky that Nelda didn't kill somebody and interweave their hair in that pin badge to impress him!

Oh, Lord. I'd like to think Nelda ended up like Jo or John Tagman did in prison. It's all they deserved.

[peacheslatour]

We were discussing earlier about season four being dark as hell but when I think of dark, I think of Season 7 episode Untethered, where Goren goes undercover in a mental institution. Talk about brutal. I won't ever watch it again.

[WendyCR72]

2 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

We were discussing earlier about season four being dark as hell but when I think of dark, I think of Season 7 episode Untethered, where Goren goes undercover in a mental institution. Talk about brutal. I won't ever watch it again.

That was dark, but I also think it gave VDO some meat to play, for which he was probably glad. I just wonder why that bitch at the end wasn't taken into custody, too. She had to know the prisoners were being abused.

[Xeliou66]

On 12/29/2020 at 5:32 PM, peacheslatour said:

We were discussing earlier about season four being dark as hell but when I think of dark, I think of Season 7 episode Untethered, where Goren goes undercover in a mental institution. Talk about brutal. I won't ever watch it again.

 

On 12/29/2020 at 8:07 PM, WendyCR72 said:

That was dark, but I also think it gave VDO some meat to play, for which he was probably glad. I just wonder why that bitch at the end wasn't taken into custody, too. She had to know the prisoners were being abused.

Yes I would say Untethered is arguably the darkest CI episode, even darker than some of season 4’s episodes. I didn’t like it because I don’t like family drama and I didn’t like the whole “Goren is a nutjob” theme that seemed to start in season 6 and go throughout season 7. Like I’ve said before, Warren Leight wrecked the show when he took over in season 6, it felt like a totally different show from seasons 1-5, and it was much, much weaker, a lot more melodrama and a lot less meat on the cases, fortunately they regained some of their old glory starting in season 8 but then especially in season 10, I’m glad the show went out on a high note. 

[WendyCR72]

WE showed the end of S7 last night late night and is doing the same for early S8 tomorrow. While I am happy Goren did manage to lighten up by S10, the contrast between the sheer bleakness of the end of S7 and just sort of being so...averagely normal in tone at the start of S8 always did seem jarring.

Especially since we saw Declan bulldoze Goren's life.

But I guess -considering "Faithfully" was likely supposed to be the premiere, the airing out of order and change in EP would do that. I just wish the narrative was kept in order for a time line that made more sense in Bobby's "recovery", so to speak.

[Xeliou66]

2 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

WE showed the end of S7 last night late night and is doing the same for early S8 tomorrow. While I am happy Goren did manage to lighten up by S10, the contrast between the sheer bleakness of the end of S7 and just sort of being so...averagely normal in tone at the start of S8 always did seem jarring.

Especially since we saw Declan bulldoze Goren's life.

But I guess -considering "Faithfully" was likely supposed to be the premiere, the airing out of order and change in EP would do that. I just wish the narrative was kept in order for a time line that made more sense in Bobby's "recovery", so to speak.

 I don’t think they really knew what to do in season 8 with Goren, because they never even referenced the events from the season 7 finale. I would still rather them have spent no time on it than spend a long time dwelling on it, but it was rather odd. I’m very glad season 10 happened and we got to see Goren in therapy to deal with his traumas but those were just brief scenes and the main focus of the episodes were on the cases. Season 10 was really well done and a good finish for the show.

[peacheslatour]

2 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

 I don’t think they really knew what to do in season 8 with Goren, because they never even referenced the events from the season 7 finale. I would still rather them have spent no time on it than spend a long time dwelling on it, but it was rather odd. I’m very glad season 10 happened and we got to see Goren in therapy to deal with his traumas but those were just brief scenes and the main focus of the episodes were on the cases. Season 10 was really well done and a good finish for the show.

Yeah, I love the show and especially Goren but it was a long strange trip.

[WendyCR72]

5 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

 I don’t think they really knew what to do in season 8 with Goren, because they never even referenced the events from the season 7 finale. I would still rather them have spent no time on it than spend a long time dwelling on it, but it was rather odd. I’m very glad season 10 happened and we got to see Goren in therapy to deal with his traumas but those were just brief scenes and the main focus of the episodes were on the cases. Season 10 was really well done and a good finish for the show.

As dark - literally and figuratively - as Season 7 was, it was apparently the highest-rated season in the USA years. So, while I was glad and relieved to see Goren start to "recover" in Season 8, I do think, like you, it was curious how S7 was sort of swept away.

But, as I said, since Warren Leight exited (and Waylon Green took over as EP) and the whole writers' strike came about in 2008, I think the series of moving parts explained much in the rather abrupt change in tone.

On another note, speaking of S8, "Identity Crisis" just ended and I still like its subtlety. That's one thing Green did well there. And "In Treatment" is on now and Ross/Nichols speculating about Wheeler's pregnancy at the bloody crime scene just seemed so adolescent to me. Ask the woman or leave her alone...

[WendyCR72]

"Self Made" from S7 is on Oxygen late night as I type, and the black detective at the beginning, I love how sarcastic he is with Goren/Eames [as he is miffed that Major Case has taken over], and after he answers Eames' question of, "Family?" and responds, "Don't know, you're Major Case. You tell me!", I love Goren's little hand gesture as the guy walks out, sort of "fuck you" with a sort of wave.

Hee.

And Fisher Stevens loved playing scummy CI characters. First, the shock jock that we discussed from "Semi-Detached" in S4, then the scummy book editor in "Self Made" in S7. Wonder if he minded being typecast as the sleazy type?

(Then again, maybe he figured it was better than forever being remembered from Short Circuit back in the day?)

[Dirtybubble]

6 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

"Self Made" from S7 is on Oxygen late night as I type, and the black detective at the beginning, I love how sarcastic he is with Goren/Eames [as he is miffed that Major Case has taken over], and after he answers Eames' question of, "Family?" and responds, "Don't know, you're Major Case. You tell me!", I love Goren's little hand gesture as the guy walks out, sort of "fuck you" with a sort of wave.

Hee.

And Fisher Stevens loved playing scummy CI characters. First, the shock jock that we discussed from "Semi-Detached" in S4, then the scummy book editor in "Self Made" in S7. Wonder if he minded being typecast as the sleazy type?

(Then again, maybe he figured it was better than forever being remembered from Short Circuit back in the day?)

Holy crap is that who he is?!?  I thought he looked familiar but I never bothered to do a Google search. 

It usually bothers me when actors play 2 different characters on the same show but IDK if enough time had passed between his gigs or if he was just that good at portraying these characters but seeing him never took me out of context as to who his character was.  What I mean is I never sat there and though of that is the shock jock from Season 4.

[peacheslatour]

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And Fisher Stevens loved playing scummy CI characters. First, the shock jock that we discussed from "Semi-Detached" in S4, then the scummy book editor in "Self Made" in S7. Wonder if he minded being typecast as the sleazy type?

I doubt it, he played scumbags all the way back to Columbo in 1989.

Edited January 5, 2021 by peacheslatour

[dargosmydaddy]

Fisher Stevens will forever be Chuck on Early Edition to me... (also kind of a sleazy character).

[WendyCR72]

6 hours ago, Dirtybubble said:

Holy crap is that who he is?!?  I thought he looked familiar but I never bothered to do a Google search. 

Yep, that was Fisher Stevens playing the Indian robot tech! Time flies, hmm?

Hell, I'm old enough to remember when he and Michelle Pfeiffer were hot and heavy and all over the tabloids!  😛

As for actors playing multiple roles on a series, yeah, it can be annoying. Surely the actor pool is New York versus California is not that tiny, especially with all the Broadway veterans out there. But I guess the casting department had their go-tos. And, really, recycled casting has gone on with every show since TV began. So as much as it annoys me, it's also common. (By the way, besides Fisher Stevens, "Self Made" also had another recycled actor there with Pablo Schrieber as TJ Hawkins, author and killer! He also was in "The Unblinking Eye" in S4 as poor Ed, the actor that messed up his audition with [unseen but heard] Matt Damon because his "friend" made himself sick to sabotage Ed's chances! Then, of course, there is his signature franchise role as psycho William Lewis on SVU...)

[peacheslatour]

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Pablo Schrieber as TJ Hawkins, author and killer! He also was in "The Unblinking Eye" in S4 as poor Ed, the actor that messed up his audition with [unseen but heard]

Every time I saw him, all I could think of was William Lewis and my skin would start to crawl.

[WendyCR72]

Oxygen had its mini lineup in the middle of the night last night as it does every Tuesday morning. One of the episodes was "Purgatory", the one where Goren goes undercover to get dirty cop Mike Stoat. It reminded me why I am now glad for Peacock and/or DVDs. The scene after Alex shreds Lois Melago for being a bad cop, where she asks Ross where Goren is, is now always cut. If it was just that, I wouldn't care, either.

But Eames' temporary partner also tells Ross about Melago's involvement and how, etc., so it's part of the case, and it bugs me that it gets chopped in syndication. Kind of a needed scene, IMO.

ETA: What the hell? Peacock has the edited version, too.

[WendyCR72]

I remembered early on that I ripped some of my DVDs to my computer. For the casual watchers who may not remember the scene I referenced above, I edited it with Eames' interview with Melago just right before for context.

Alas, I had to put it on Dropbox as YT would boot it in a heartbeat.

https://www.dropbox.com/preview/CI/Purgatory deleted scene.mp4?role=personal

And just to show I didn't imagine it as it hasn't been shown in ages. LOL!

[Ebau]

On 1/4/2021 at 11:12 PM, WendyCR72 said:

And Fisher Stevens loved playing scummy CI characters.

 

On 1/4/2021 at 11:12 PM, WendyCR72 said:

(Then again, maybe he figured it was better than forever being remembered from Short Circuit back in the day?)

I love Ben Jabituya. (Try saying his last name slowly and out loud. Sleaziness abounds.) But here are some great, sorta sleazy Ben quotes from Short Circuit for your amusement:

"I am thinking that she is a virgin. Or at least she used to be."

"I am sporting a tremendous woody!"

"With excitement like this, who is needing enemas?"

"Ooh, her pants are blazing for you, Newton Crosby!"

"Did she stick her tongue down your throat?"

Stephanie: "Would you quit doing that?" Ben: "You think I'm doing that for my own self-gratification?"

Number 5: "Benjamin Jabituya. Delete. Exit. Depart. Leave." Ben: "Eat my dust, Newton Crosby. Let us break wind!"

"Bye-bye, goofy woman. I enjoyed repeatedly throwing you to the ground."

Now that I think about it, those lines would also work for Gareth Sage and Ray Barnett. Talk about type casting.

Cheers!

Edited January 13, 2021 by Ebau

[WendyCR72]

3 hours ago, Ebau said:

 

I love Ben Jabituya. (Try saying his last name slowly and out loud. Sleaziness abounds.) But here are some great, sorta sleazy Ben quotes from Short Circuit for your amusement:

"I am thinking that she is a virgin. Or at least she used to be."

"I am sporting a tremendous woody!"

"With excitement like this, who is needing enemas?"

"Ooh, her pants are blazing for you, Newton Crosby!"

"Did she stick her tongue down your throat?"

Stephanie: "Would you quit doing that?" Ben: "You think I'm doing that for my own self-gratification?"

Number 5: "Benjamin Jabituya. Delete. Exit. Depart. Leave." Ben: "Eat my dust, Newton Crosby. Let us break wind!"

"Bye-bye, goofy woman. I enjoyed repeatedly throwing you to the ground."

Now that I think about it, those lines would also work for Gareth Sage and Ray Barnett. Talk about type casting.

Cheers!

I remember no actual lines, so this is quite something. I didn't remember Stevens' Short Circuit character's name, but it is...interesting.

[WendyCR72]

On another note, "Senseless" was on in the middle of the night on Oxygen a few nights back, the one where the three college kids were gunned down in a park. I think it was one of the darker episodes of the series, especially since the perp was so COLD, saying to the mirror [where he thought Naomi was, who had actually died] something to the effect that he should have killed her for real.

What struck me was Ben Vereen as the father of one of the victims. I was rather surprised for such a name that he only had the brief scene in the church with Logan and Falacci. If this episode was a season later, he could have been reunited with his Tenspeed and Brownshoe co-star, Jeff Goldblum.

But Mike Logan was perfect for this one, I think. His fury was deep and worked here. Also just a bit jarring that Falacci was in such a heavy episode and then just gone in the next [when Julianne Nicholson returned from maternity leave]. I think Alicia Witt did manage to tone down Falacci's hair-trigger attitude well for this one. I so felt for Naomi and Ty's parents. Losing both twins and so brutally is something no parent should endure.

[Xeliou66]

On 1/13/2021 at 9:34 PM, WendyCR72 said:

On another note, "Senseless" was on in the middle of the night on Oxygen a few nights back, the one where the three college kids were gunned down in a park. I think it was one of the darker episodes of the series, especially since the perp was so COLD, saying to the mirror [where he thought Naomi was, who had actually died] something to the effect that he should have killed her for real.

What struck me was Ben Vereen as the father of one of the victims. I was rather surprised for such a name that he only had the brief scene in the church with Logan and Falacci. If this episode was a season later, he could have been reunited with his Tenspeed and Brownshoe co-star, Jeff Goldblum.

But Mike Logan was perfect for this one, I think. His fury was deep and worked here. Also just a bit jarring that Falacci was in such a heavy episode and then just gone in the next [when Julianne Nicholson returned from maternity leave]. I think Alicia Witt did manage to tone down Falacci's hair-trigger attitude well for this one. I so felt for Naomi and Ty's parents. Losing both twins and so brutally is something no parent should endure.

I like Senseless a lot, it’s one of season 7’s better episodes, it was a compelling and chilling case, and yeah it was pretty dark. Logan was really good in this episode. Like I’ve said before, I really liked the Logan and Falacci pairing, and I wish Falacci had stuck around instead of Wheeler coming back, I always found Wheeler rather dull while Falacci had a spark.

[peacheslatour]

10 minutes ago, Xeliou66 said:

I like Senseless a lot, it’s one of season 7’s better episodes, it was a compelling and chilling case, and yeah it was pretty dark. Logan was really good in this episode. Like I’ve said before, I really liked the Logan and Falacci pairing, and I wish Falacci had stuck around instead of Wheeler coming back, I always found Wheeler rather dull while Falacci had a spark.

Falacci was my fav next to Eames.

[WendyCR72]

Still, as was mentioned before, I'm not sure that Alicia Witt would have wanted to be long term as she actually works pretty steadily. Falacci irritated me, at least initially, but considering how others reacted to her, I do think it was intentional. And she did relax by her end. So, had she stayed, I probably would have eventually liked her more.

Wheeler was...fine, I guess. She didn't seem to inspire much in the way of extreme feelings as the other characters did/do. Not sure if being so nondescript was a good or bad thing.

[Sigmagirl]

Watching "Best Defense" the other day: They’re going to the theatre with their caviar-loving friends, the curtain goes up in 45 minutes and she sends him down to the cellar for a bottle of wine because he brought up "any old merlot?" Where is this theatre, anyway? Are they going to a puppet show in the backyard? Even if they leave now, they won’t get there, but no, let’s have another bottle of wine. 🤷‍♀️

[WendyCR72]

7 hours ago, Sigmagirl said:

Watching "Best Defense" the other day: They’re going to the theatre with their caviar-loving friends, the curtain goes up in 45 minutes and she sends him down to the cellar for a bottle of wine because he brought up "any old merlot?" Where is this theatre, anyway? Are they going to a puppet show in the backyard? Even if they leave now, they won’t get there, but no, let’s have another bottle of wine. 🤷‍♀️

Maybe whatever they were going to see was so freaking dull that the only way to enjoy it was being sloshed beforehand?  😛 (Especially if it's opera. Sorry to any opera lovers here!)

But that was all weird, anyway, as, later on when being interviewed by Bobby and Alex, the snooty wife mentioned she really did not know Peter and Linda Bonham all that well. Ooookay. But they knew them well enough to go to the theater together?

Whatever!

Scuzzy Peter shooting the intruder probably livened everything up, sad to say.

[WendyCR72]

"The Saint" is ending now on WE. Had he not done political humor/late night, I think Stephen Colbert could have had a decent acting career. Wonder if he gets any royalties when this episode airs?

As an aside, still get a kick out of the fact his mother was named Elizabeth Bennett (albeit with two Ts and not one like the Jane Austen character). Alas, Mr. Darcy didn't seem to appear as Colbert's dad.  😉

[WendyCR72]

On 12/28/2020 at 3:23 PM, basiltherat said:

Well, Bobby was just lucky that Nelda didn't kill somebody and interweave their hair in that pin badge to impress him!

Speaking of which, "Semi-Detached" is on WE as I type, and I still hate the ending, with Bobby seemingly actually feeling something besides disgust for psycho Nelda. Maybe that's why, of the two dark seasons of 4 and 7, I prefer the latter. Because he didn't show similar psycho Marla from "Please Note..." that same idiocy and actually thought of her victims.

[Xeliou66]

11 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Speaking of which, "Semi-Detached" is on WE as I type, and I still hate the ending, with Bobby seemingly actually feeling something besides disgust for psycho Nelda. Maybe that's why, of the two dark seasons of 4 and 7, I prefer the latter. Because he didn't show similar psycho Marla from "Please Note..." that same idiocy and actually thought of her victims.

Agreed completely about the ending of Semi-Detached, it made me sick, I really hated how Goren was in that episode. And then 2 episodes later Goren also went to bat for cannibal sicko Tagman. Don’t know what was up with Goren at the start of season 4 but I’m glad it didn’t last. 

But I much prefer season 4 to season 7 - 4 had a lot of really strong episodes, I can’t say the same about 7. 7 had a lot of soapy dreck and I didn’t like the whole “Goren is a nutjob” theme, plus season 4 had Deakins and Carver while season 7 had dickhead Ross.

[peacheslatour]

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But I much prefer season 4 to season 7 - 4 had a lot of really strong episodes, I can’t say the same about 7. 7 had a lot of soapy dreck and I didn’t like the whole “Goren is a nutjob” theme, plus season 4 had Deakins and Carver while season 7 had dickhead Ross.

Yep. Hey are any Chris Noth fans looking forward to the new Equalizer show? Queen Latifah takes no shit.