Law & Order: Criminal Intent - General Discussion

[WendyCR72]

2 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

 

Yeah Jones was good, I really liked the investigation and how Goren and Eames tracked down Talbot and got him to confess. 

The Faithful just seemed sort of all over the place and the 2 murders weren’t even very connected and the episode just didn’t seem to have a good rhythm, and I was very annoyed with Goren wanting to protect Melanie. I did like “the Goren show” at the start of the episode.  I liked the other 3 church centric episodes better than The Faithful. 

To be fair, this was also the show still trying to find what worked and maybe what didn't. It was only a few episodes in, so there were likely some growing pains. I think as S1 progressed, the characterizations got significantly better.

That being said, Goren still had a soft spot for the weak and/or mentally ill, so maybe that was actually consistent, for good or bad. Probably heavily influenced by his own life and his mother, etc.

[Sigmagirl]

Count me in as being dissatisfied with Goren’s protection of Melanie, but Carver’s dressing-down Goren was inappropriate. I’m not a lawyer, so somebody please tell me: Did Goren do something unethical? It’s his job to get a confession out of a suspect, and the priest knew he was screwed when he heard her name. Also, Eames is senior partner and she went along with it, albeit with misgivings, so what’s  Carver all over Goren about it? 

[WendyCR72]

6 hours ago, Sigmagirl said:

Count me in as being dissatisfied with Goren’s protection of Melanie, but Carver’s dressing-down Goren was inappropriate. I’m not a lawyer, so somebody please tell me: Did Goren do something unethical? It’s his job to get a confession out of a suspect, and the priest knew he was screwed when he heard her name. Also, Eames is senior partner and she went along with it, albeit with misgivings, so what’s  Carver all over Goren about it? 

That's one angle we have dissected again and again and I asked the same question. Personally, I think Carver just did not like being shown up. But, as you say, his freak out had zero basis.

Goren got the priest to confess and it saved money on a trial, so Carver could have several seats there.

For that matter, his similar freak out a season later in "Best Defense" when Goren and Eames kept Carver in the dark about Peter Bonham framing his wife for murder was also justified in my view because at the beginning of that episode, it was clear that Carver had a relationship - coworkers or friends - with Peter Bonham and had railed about not embarrassing them at one point. In real life, I would say he should have recused. But, as it is TV, I think G/E did what they had to, later with Bonham and early on with the priest.

[Xeliou66]

1 hour ago, WendyCR72 said:

That's one angle we have dissected again and again and I asked the same question. Personally, I think Carver just did not like being shown up. But, as you say, his freak out had zero basis.

Goren got the priest to confess and it saved money on a trial, so Carver could have several seats there.

For that matter, his similar freak out a season later in "Best Defense" when Goren and Eames kept Carver in the dark about Peter Bonham framing his wife for murder was also justified in my view because at the beginning of that episode, it was clear that Carver had a relationship - coworkers or friends - with Peter Bonham and had railed about not embarrassing them at one point. In real life, I would say he should have recused. But, as it is TV, I think G/E did what they had to, later with Bonham and early on with the priest.

I thought Carver’s anger at Goren was justified in The Faithful, I would’ve been pissed as well if I thought I had been kept in the dark about an aspect of the case, Goren should’ve told Carver about Melanie, and I was really irritated with Goren wanting to protect her. 

The situation was different in Best Defense, Goren and Eames were right to withhold information from Carver given his relationship with the Bonham, it was necessary for the case, and Arthur Branch should’ve taken Carver off of the case given his relationship with Bonham or Carver should’ve recused himself. 

[WendyCR72]

I'd like to think Linda Bonham took their daughter and changed their last names and had a fabulous life as revenge. What a baby that Peter Bonham could not deal with his wife's success. Or that he could not just man up and get a divorce.

Speaking of kids, in watching "Bedfellows" on MyNetwork now, I'm betting both those boys were beyond screwed up, thanks to their grandfather still playing favorites, Charlene being an addict, and Lena in prison. I know I should feel sorry for Jules Copeland, losing both sons, but it's clear he didn't care about Ted, and right there, it makes him a crappy father, grandfather, and human being.

But Rip Torn did a great job. Cool to see him with VDO again after Men In Black.

[WendyCR72]

How ironic, as we were just discussing it, but "Best Defense" from S2 with wuss Peter Bonham just started on WE right now.  🙂

[peacheslatour]

I love the way Erbe relishes the word "murder". It seems she's the main one to slap the cuffs on the perps and she says "You're under arrest for MURDER." Cracks me up.

[Sigmagirl]

Compared with when the odious Bishop, who left a hole you could drive a truck through: 

"You’re under arrest. 
 

 

 

For murder."

[WendyCR72]

For anyone that watches on ION, DVR the 1:00 a.m. to 3:00 a.m. block tonight/tomorrow morning. Looks like - after that - it's hiatus time again. (It is being replaced by The Listener.)

On the positive side, ION is finally taking the Mothership out of mothballs in May per its site.

The revolving schedule that channel does is just strange to me.

 

On another note, I like when Kathryn Erbe/Alex emphasizes "murder", too. LOL! But, hey, Alex is from a family of cops! I have always liked Eames as much as I did Goren, but Bishop taking over for her for a while really made me appreciate Kathryn Erbe's humor/wit. Samantha Buck's Bishop was just too serious all the freaking time. And that was definitely highlighted when Goren went after that publisher at the restaurant played by Judd Hirsch. I love how when Bishop said she didn't enjoy Bobby's spectacle, he was all, "Really? Eames would have!"

And he was right.

[WendyCR72]

Bye, ION. Until next time! And ION still lives up to its PAX roots and hates the word "prick", edited out of "Icarus". The end...for now!

[peacheslatour]

8 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Bye, ION. Until next time! And ION still lives up to its PAX roots and hates the word "prick", edited out of "Icarus". The end...for now!

That sucks. But at least it;s still on WE. Right? Right?

[WendyCR72]

6 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

That sucks. But at least it;s still on WE. Right? Right?

On WE, Oxygen (need to DVR there as it is once a week for three hours early Tuesday mornings), and MyNetwork, a 2-hour Thursday night block.  🙂

The show is still on ION's website, so it looks like another "rest" than being done completely. Strangely, last night, the site had the Mothership back in May, as I had posted above. But, today, that date is gone with no date, meaning that still remains on hiatus, too.

[WendyCR72]

And ION continues to confuse. Keep in mind I have no clue if this is an error or not. But the updated TV listings have the show back on ION - inexplicably showing S3 (since it just ended on S10) on 04/27 from 7:00 a.m. to 11:00 a.m., its usual morning time. However, the site has no date under the show (such shows usually are being rested). So whether it is an error or not, I just don't know, but this listing was not there just yesterday. I guess we'll know in a couple of weeks.

On another note, the May 25th start date for the Mothership is now back again on the ION website! It was listed, gone, and now back. Sooo...yeah.

[WendyCR72]

Well, the TV listings had ION listings for the past two days but now they are gone, so it must have been an error. But, as said, it is still on three other channels. Speaking of which, I got an e-mail that, if you have Comcast/XFinity, the rollout of Peacock begins for their subscribers today with the mass rollout in July. I do know Peacock, as reported, will have the Mothership, Criminal Intent, and SVU to stream as well as the Chicago franchise.

[WendyCR72]

Oh, Lord, Margie the dumbest "chemistry teacher on earth" is on now with Donnie the con/thief/killer/bank robber.

I'd like to think Margie's cuckolded hubby left her when all was said and done but as HE hired the lawyer for Margie, he was probably weak and stayed...

[WendyCR72]

This popped up on my YT homepage. Guess it was an Australian ad for the show. Either way, it seems cute:

 

[peacheslatour]

16 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

This popped up on my YT homepage. Guess it was an Australian ad for the show. Either way, it seems cute:

 

I love those two.

[WendyCR72]

7 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

I love those two.

Yeah, my favorite team, by far! I did like Logan. Wheeler? She was...fine. But sort of vanilla. Barek didn't seem to fly. Falacci seemed to be a female hotheaded Logan, which made for an interesting dynamic.

But it seemed, between the Mothership and CI, that Logan went through partners like Kleenex.

Maybe longevity is one reason so many liked G/E. Because history really deepened their dynamic?

Either way, as I said, I thought the button ad was cute. Kate and Vince seemed to have fun with it!  🙂

[Xeliou66]

Goren and Eames made for a great pairing, one of the best in the L&O franchise. I wish they had kept Falacci with Logan, she had a spark and made for an interesting show, I never cared for Wheeler, who was very dull, or Barek, who was also bland and who they tried to make overly intelligent. I liked Nichols okay, but both Wheeler and Stevens were dull. Nichols and Eames worked well together in the couple of episodes they worked together in. 

[Dirtybubble]

14 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

Goren and Eames made for a great pairing, one of the best in the L&O franchise. I wish they had kept Falacci with Logan, she had a spark and made for an interesting show, I never cared for Wheeler, who was very dull, or Barek, who was also bland and who they tried to make overly intelligent. I liked Nichols okay, but both Wheeler and Stevens were dull. Nichols and Eames worked well together in the couple of episodes they worked together in. 

ITA with Goren/Eames pairing--they were the #1 dynamic duo but I liked Logan with Wheeler. She seemed to be the perfect ying to his yang--idk I just liked her character, she had a sweet smile and one of the few detectives who had a healthy, HAPPY social life--at least before her fiance being arrested storyline =(

I could never wrap my brain around Nichols because I always saw the same Jeff Goldblum character being played out *shrug*

[peacheslatour]

2 hours ago, Dirtybubble said:

ITA with Goren/Eames pairing--they were the #1 dynamic duo but I liked Logan with Wheeler. She seemed to be the perfect ying to his yang--idk I just liked her character, she had a sweet smile and one of the few detectives who had a healthy, HAPPY social life--at least before her fiance being arrested storyline =(

I could never wrap my brain around Nichols because I always saw the same Jeff Goldblum character being played out *shrug*

I had the same problem with Nichols but if I had to choose between a Nichols episode or one with Logan, I'd choose Nichols every time.

[Xeliou66]

2 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

I had the same problem with Nichols but if I had to choose between a Nichols episode or one with Logan, I'd choose Nichols every time.

Why do you dislike Logan? I really like him, both on the Mothership and on CI, and I liked his storyline and how he had changed and mellowed some since his time on the Mothership, yet still was passionate. Like I’ve said before I really wish they had kept Falacci as Logan’s partner, they had an interesting dynamic and Falacci added a real spark to the show compared to how dull Wheeler was. 

[peacheslatour]

5 minutes ago, Xeliou66 said:

Why do you dislike Logan? I really like him, both on the Mothership and on CI, and I liked his storyline and how he had changed and mellowed some since his time on the Mothership, yet still was passionate. Like I’ve said before I really wish they had kept Falacci as Logan’s partner, they had an interesting dynamic and Falacci added a real spark to the show compared to how dull Wheeler was. 

It's not that I dislike him. I liked him well enough on Mothership. I guess it's always my initial disappointment when I see it's not going to be a Goren/Eames episode. He just kind of leaves me cold. 

[ML89]

i came to CI because of Logan and I liked him with Barek (never knew why Sciorra left and they never really explained Barek going back to the FBI, I think?) and Falacci. I liked Barek as they went along because she was pretty insufferable in their first ep together where she betrayed his confidence during an interrogation. I would have liked to have seen Logan and Eames work together (although "Oceans 2" in "Wee Small Hours" never fails to crack me up).

Wheeler was just...there. I really was upset that she did nothing when Logan was getting the crap beaten out of him by the firefighters and I don't think their partnership ever recovered from that - at least I never thought much of her after that.

[peacheslatour]

23 minutes ago, ML89 said:

i came to CI because of Logan and I liked him with Barek (never knew why Sciorra left and they never really explained Barek going back to the FBI, I think?) and Falacci. I liked Barek as they went along because she was pretty insufferable in their first ep together where she betrayed his confidence during an interrogation. I would have liked to have seen Logan and Eames work together (although "Oceans 2" in "Wee Small Hours" never fails to crack me up).

Wheeler was just...there. I really was upset that she did nothing when Logan was getting the crap beaten out of him by the firefighters and I don't think their partnership ever recovered from that - at least I never thought much of her after that.

That bothered me as well. I think after Eames, I liked Fallaci the best.

[Xeliou66]

15 minutes ago, ML89 said:

i came to CI because of Logan and I liked him with Barek (never knew why Sciorra left and they never really explained Barek going back to the FBI, I think?) and Falacci. I liked Barek as they went along because she was pretty insufferable in their first ep together where she betrayed his confidence during an interrogation. I would have liked to have seen Logan and Eames work together (although "Oceans 2" in "Wee Small Hours" never fails to crack me up).

Wheeler was just...there. I really was upset that she did nothing when Logan was getting the crap beaten out of him by the firefighters and I don't think their partnership ever recovered from that - at least I never thought much of her after that.

Barek sort of grew on me the more I watched her, but I didn’t like how overly intelligent they made her out to be, it felt like they were going for a “female Goren” character. I like her better than Wheeler. Falacci was my favorite of Logan’s CI partners, I liked the dynamic between her, Logan and Ross, and I wish they had kept Falacci on for good. Wheeler was just incredibly dull IMO and didn’t add much to the episodes.

I would’ve liked to have seen Logan and Eames work together more as well, and yeah I loved the “oceans two” line from In the Wee Small Hours. It’s too bad they never did another episode with both detective pairings working together again, they did it really well in In the Wee Small Hours.

[peacheslatour]

5 minutes ago, Xeliou66 said:

Barek sort of grew on me the more I watched her, but I didn’t like how overly intelligent they made her out to be, it felt like they were going for a “female Goren” character. I like her better than Wheeler. Falacci was my favorite of Logan’s CI partners, I liked the dynamic between her, Logan and Ross, and I wish they had kept Falacci on for good. Wheeler was just incredibly dull IMO and didn’t add much to the episodes.

I would’ve liked to have seen Logan and Eames work together more as well, and yeah I loved the “oceans two” line from In the Wee Small Hours. It’s too bad they never did another episode with both detective pairings working together again, they did it really well in In the Wee Small Hours.

They really did. I liked the contrast between Goren's intellect and Logan's physicality.

[WendyCR72]

7 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

I had the same problem with Nichols but if I had to choose between a Nichols episode or one with Logan, I'd choose Nichols every time.

Really? That sort of surprises me. But hey, nice to see a different perspective.  🙂

[WendyCR72]

Another push the button Australian ad. This one is just VDO:

 

[WendyCR72]

4 hours ago, ML89 said:

Wheeler was just...there. I really was upset that she did nothing when Logan was getting the crap beaten out of him by the firefighters and I don't think their partnership ever recovered from that

And that was only their second episode as partners! I didn't like that she didn't call for backup sooner or whatever, but to be fair, I'm not sure what she could have really done.

I do wish Logan had a long-term partner. He deserved a loyal, steadfast partner as Goren and Eames had. (Goren did seemingly get more from Eames on the surface. But whenever Eames was threatened/in trouble, Goren did try to move heaven and earth for her.)

That pairing was really the only one that had it. Not to say Wheeler would not have protected Logan on the job. I'm explaining this badly. But hopefully everyone knows what I mean.

[peacheslatour]

3 minutes ago, WendyCR72 said:

And that was only their second episode as partners! I didn't like that she didn't call for backup sooner or whatever, but to be fair, I'm not sure what she could have really done.

I do wish Logan had a long-term partner. He deserved a loyal, steadfast partner as Goren and Eames had. (Goren did seemingly get more from Eames on the surface. But whenever Eames was threatened/in trouble, Goren did try to move heaven and earth for her.)

That pairing was really the only one that had it. Not to say Wheeler would not have protected Logan on the job. I'm explaining this badly. But hopefully everyone knows what I mean.

I do.

[WendyCR72]

So a friend that follows Twitter much more closely than I do said VDO made a tweet where he said he was thinking about "revisiting" Goren. (And when a fan asked if he would try to include Eames/Kate Erbe, his reply was a simple, "Of course.") It was from April 19th.

It could be mere spitballing out of nostalgia or quarantine boredom, but I wonder why he would bring it up now?

Such an odd relationship VDO had with the show, too. Shrug. I guess even he has a soft spot?

[peacheslatour]

20 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

So a friend that follows Twitter much more closely than I do said VDO made a tweet where he said he was thinking about "revisiting" Goren. (And when a fan asked if he would try to include Eames/Kate Erbe, his reply was a simple, "Of course.") It was from April 19th.

It could be mere spitballing out of nostalgia or quarantine boredom, but I wonder why he would bring it up now?

Such an odd relationship VDO had with the show, too. Shrug. I guess even he has a soft spot?

I read that all the other L&O shows were heavily ensemble except Criminal Intent because VDO was just too oversized a talent and presence that it wouldn't have worked, So yeah, they worked him like a rented mule on that show. He collapsed twice from exhaustion after working continuous fourteen hour days. I would love to see Goren and Eames together again but not if it's going to kill him.

Edited April 29, 2020 by peacheslatour

[WendyCR72]

2 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

I read that all the other L&O shows were heavily ensemble except Criminal Intent because VDO was just to oversized a talent and presence that it wouldn't have worked, So yeah, they worked him like a rented mule on that show. He collapsed twice from exhaustion after working continuous fourteen hour days. I would love to see Goren and Eames together again but not if it's going to kill him.

As I said, maybe it was just spitballing, but many became very excited about the tweet [I looked it up and found it after my friend alerted me to it]. So much so, some were wanting Goren on the upcoming new show with Stabler. But - and I love VDO's Goren - I think Eames was just as vital, so I would hope both would be involved [if this was at all serious]. I think their interplay was an important facet of the show.

And, yeah, I knew about VDO's exhaustion while on the series. It's why the rotating teams began, so as to take some of the pressure off of him. I remember him saying he worked almost 6 out of 7 days and he had to memorize 30 pages of dialogue per episode [as he was in practically every scene!] and it took its toll.

Which is why I mention his strange relationship with the show. He seemed to resent it after a time, yet he must still have liked it enough to want to revisit that character.

[Xeliou66]

I would love to see Goren and/or Eames make an appearance on SVU. They are great characters and it would be awesome to see them again and tie them back in to the franchise, especially given how SVU has no respect for franchise continuity anymore. But I don’t trust the SVU writers to do things right - I think they might fuck it up and write them OOC and smear the characters, I just don’t trust SVU’s writing anymore. 

[WendyCR72]

Maybe there can be a series of Criminal Intent movies. That way, D'Onofrio/Erbe can revisit these characters, but it does not have to be some long commitment again, and everyone wins.

That's one way.

Still...just sort of odd how he talked about wanting to revisit out of the blue.

[WendyCR72]

1 hour ago, Xeliou66 said:

I would love to see Goren and/or Eames make an appearance on SVU. They are great characters and it would be awesome to see them again and tie them back in to the franchise, especially given how SVU has no respect for franchise continuity anymore. But I don’t trust the SVU writers to do things right - I think they might fuck it up and write them OOC and smear the characters, I just don’t trust SVU’s writing anymore.

No way would I want them anywhere near SVU. As it was, Leight undid the great ending on CI and, for what? So Olivia could cry to Alex about how their partners abandoned them?

No.

But a limited series or, as I said, movies could work. Just don't let Warren Leight near any of it.

[Xeliou66]

26 minutes ago, WendyCR72 said:

Maybe there can be a series of Criminal Intent movies. That way, D'Onofrio/Erbe can revisit these characters, but it does not have to be some long commitment again, and everyone wins.

That's one way.

Still...just sort of odd how he talked about wanting to revisit out of the blue.

 

21 minutes ago, WendyCR72 said:

No way would I want them anywhere near SVU. As it was, Leight undid the great ending on CI and, for what? So Olivia could cry to Alex about how their partners abandoned them?

No.

But a limited series or, as I said, movies could work. Just don't let Warren Leight near any of it.

Yeah I don’t trust the SVU writers to do any of it right, they trash characters for cheap drama now and I’m afraid that’s what would happen to Goren and Eames. I would love to see Goren and Eames again though, I doubt it will happen but it would be nice to see them. 

[WendyCR72]

5 minutes ago, Xeliou66 said:

Yeah I don’t trust the SVU writers to do any of it right, they trash characters for cheap drama now and I’m afraid that’s what would happen to Goren and Eames. I would love to see Goren and Eames again though, I doubt it will happen but it would be nice to see them. 

Yeah, providing they aren't trashed or killed, I'd be for it, too. Whether it will actually come to fruition?

*shrug*

Guess we can only wait and see. The big question would be how to re-partner Eames with Goren since, last she was seen, Alex was a Lieutenant working in another area of the department.

Guess it can always do as S10 did with their S9 exit and just ignore what Leight and Company did on SVU.

[WendyCR72]

MyNetwork is skipping a lot for its CI block tonight (starting now). First is "Flipped" from S6 [Episode 14] and the next episode is "Smile" (S7, Ep. 3]. Quite a leap.

[wknt3]

On 4/29/2020 at 9:00 PM, WendyCR72 said:

Maybe there can be a series of Criminal Intent movies.

Interesting idea, I mean the franchise has been on for so long but it's never done a movie. Never.

[peacheslatour]

5 hours ago, wknt3 said:

Interesting idea, I mean the franchise has been on for so long but it's never done a movie. Never.

Exiled: A Law & Order Movie is a 1998 television film based on the Law & Order police procedural and legal drama television series; it originally aired on NBC. Written by Charles Kipps (from a story by Kipps and Chris Noth), the film revolves around Noth's character, Detective Mike Logan. Kipps received a 1999 Edgar Award for his screenplay

TV movie a long time ago.

[WendyCR72]

4 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

Exiled: A Law & Order Movie is a 1998 television film based on the Law & Order police procedural and legal drama television series; it originally aired on NBC. Written by Charles Kipps (from a story by Kipps and Chris Noth), the film revolves around Noth's character, Detective Mike Logan. Kipps received a 1999 Edgar Award for his screenplay

TV movie a long time ago.

Yeah, but I think many like to forget that. LOL! Because the characters like Lennie acted so out of character. But in terms of a SERIES of movies, @wknt3 would be right. That has never been done.

[Xeliou66]

We all know they did a movie, but we like to forget it because it SUCKED. Nothing about Exiled felt like L&O at all - it was poorly written and poorly executed and they ruined Profaci, a great recurring character, just to try to have a twist ending, which was inexcusable. There was barely any case, a lot of filler and the only thing related to the prosecution side of things was one scene with McCoy. And everyone was OOC, particularly Briscoe and Van Buren. It was a horrible movie all around and should never have been made.

[wknt3]

6 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

Exiled: A Law & Order Movie is a 1998 television film based on the Law & Order police procedural and legal drama television series; it originally aired on NBC. Written by Charles Kipps (from a story by Kipps and Chris Noth), the film revolves around Noth's character, Detective Mike Logan. Kipps received a 1999 Edgar Award for his screenplay

TV movie a long time ago.

 

1 hour ago, WendyCR72 said:

Yeah, but I think many like to forget that. LOL! Because the characters like Lennie acted so out of character. But in terms of a SERIES of movies, @wknt3 would be right. That has never been done.

I think @GHScorpiosRule has conclusively proven on these forums that the rumored Law & Order movie never happened despite what some would have us believe!

[GHScorpiosRule]

On 5/4/2020 at 12:12 PM, peacheslatour said:

Exiled: A Law & Order Movie is a 1998 television film based on the Law & Order police procedural and legal drama television series; it originally aired on NBC. Written by Charles Kipps (from a story by Kipps and Chris Noth), the film revolves around Noth's character, Detective Mike Logan. Kipps received a 1999 Edgar Award for his screenplay

TV movie a long time ago.

On 5/4/2020 at 4:59 PM, WendyCR72 said:

Yeah, but I think many like to forget that. LOL! Because the characters like Lennie acted so out of character. But in terms of a SERIES of movies, @wknt3 would be right. That has never been done.

 

 

22 hours ago, wknt3 said:

 

I think @GHScorpiosRule has conclusively proven on these forums that the rumored Law & Order movie never happened despite what some would have us believe!

IT NEVER HAPPENED!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

Edited May 5, 2020 by GHScorpiosRule

[WendyCR72]

It does make one wonder what Chris Noth was thinking when he helped write That Which NEVER Happened. Did he WANT Logan treated like shit? The mind boggles.

Oh, well. To connect it to the subject, at least Deakins didn't treat Logan like garbage once he was back on the force.

[peacheslatour]

On 5/4/2020 at 1:59 PM, WendyCR72 said:

Yeah, but I think many like to forget that. LOL! Because the characters like Lennie acted so out of character. But in terms of a SERIES of movies, @wknt3 would be right. That has never been done.

I never watched it. I just saw it on my TV schedule.

[Xeliou66]

1 hour ago, WendyCR72 said:

It does make one wonder what Chris Noth was thinking when he helped write That Which NEVER Happened. Did he WANT Logan treated like shit? The mind boggles.

Oh, well. To connect it to the subject, at least Deakins didn't treat Logan like garbage once he was back on the force.

I have no idea why they made that movie, and to think that the writer won an award for it is mind boggling, the movie was atrocious in every way. 

I’m really glad that the movie wasn’t the last we saw of Logan and that CI brought him back, and CI seemed to correct the movie’s flaws in saying that Van Buren had tried to get Logan back to Manhattan, whereas the movie made it out like Van Buren hated Logan. CI bringing Logan back was a great move and it gave the character some redemption and a better ending. 

[WendyCR72]

5 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

CI bringing Logan back was a great move and it gave the character some redemption and a better ending. 

Well, the character left angry at the system, but at least he was still breathing. But, considering his last ending, I guess "better" wasn't a high bar to reach!