Law & Order: Criminal Intent - General Discussion

[Xeliou66]

1 hour ago, WendyCR72 said:

Yeah, probably this! Now she makes Hallmark movies or something.

Yeah, I liked the fact that Logan recognized the irony of Falacci being the hothead while he tried to be mature. Hee. I have seen some here say they even liked her better than Wheeler.

As for Bishop, I think Goren's distaste for Bishop would have been for any temp that wasn't Eames. She understood his idiosyncrasies, etc. But I do agree that Bishop was just sort of killing time. As an aside, I sort of wish we found out what the G in G. Lynn Bishop stood for. Why give the character such a name if you won't say what it is?  😉

We never even heard Bishop addressed by any name other than “Bishop”, her first name was never mentioned on the show, which I thought was very odd. 

Bishop was beyond dull, she had no personality and no chemistry with the rest of the cast, she was very forgettable.

Falacci on the other hand had personality and I liked seeing her work with Logan and how Logan sometimes had to act as mediator between her and Captain Douche. I wish she had stayed on permanently, Wheeler was okay but overall she was fairly bland. 

[WendyCR72]

13 minutes ago, Xeliou66 said:

Bishop was beyond dull, she had no personality and no chemistry with the rest of the cast, she was very forgettable.

I agree, but since she was not sticking around, maybe TPTB figured it didn't matter. I always liked Eames, but Bishop really made me miss her. Just sayin'!

[Xeliou66]

5 minutes ago, WendyCR72 said:

I agree, but since she was not sticking around, maybe TPTB figured it didn't matter. I always liked Eames, but Bishop really made me miss her. Just sayin'!

Yeah Eames was great, she almost gets underappreciated because of Goren’s shadow, but she was a key part of the show as well and had great chemistry with everyone else. 

Bishop was just there, she had no personality and added nothing.

[WendyCR72]

14 minutes ago, Xeliou66 said:

Yeah Eames was great, she almost gets underappreciated because of Goren’s shadow

Oh, she has fans! I recall way back when it was announced that VDO/Goren had agreed to return for S10. There were many on the Everything Law & Order blog who stated that Kathryn Erbe had better return, too, or they would not watch. I think the announcement of KE's return then happened only a few days later.

[Sigmagirl]

4 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Yeah, I liked the fact that Logan recognized the irony of Falacci being the hothead while he tried to be mature. Hee. I have seen some here say they even liked her better than Wheeler.

Wheeler was the worst. Bishop was a spitfire next to Wheeler.

After Eames, my list goes:

Barek

Falacci

Stevens

Bishop

Wheeler

The Wikipedia entry on Bishop says she spent six years in Cold Case, but there is no attribution. At the end of “Stray, when the detectives are in uniform to go to the funeral, she seems to have a fair number of decorations. Who knows what the explanation could have been for her to be paired with Goren.

[WendyCR72]

1 minute ago, Sigmagirl said:

Wheeler was the worst. Bishop was a spitfire next to Wheeler.

After Eames, my list goes:

Barek

Falacci

Stevens

Bishop

Wheeler

The Wikipedia entry on Bishop says she spent six years in Cold Case, but there is no attribution. At the end of “Stray, when the detectives are in uniform to go to the funeral, she seems to have a fair number of decorations. Who knows what the explanation could have been for her to be paired with Goren.

I'd put both Bishop and Stevens near last. Season 9 was a great substitute for Nytol. Zero energy!

[WendyCR72]

On 7/26/2019 at 8:22 AM, GHScorpiosRule said:

I can't wait for "Shandeh" to air. That's one of my favorites.

Heads up, @GHScorpiosRule (and to anyone else that likes this episode!): This episode is slated to air on August 18th at 8:00 pm ET on MyNetwork.

[catlover79]

On 8/6/2019 at 8:07 AM, GHScorpiosRule said:

Or she was the better, more well known actress. She did play Cybill Shepard's snarky teen daughter on Cybill, after all.

She also played the music student struggling to play clarinet in Mr. Holland's Opus.

[GHScorpiosRule]

14 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Heads up, @GHScorpiosRule (and to anyone else that likes this episode!): This episode is slated to air on August 18th at 8:00 pm ET on MyNetwork.

HAH! I already saw it on ION last week! I just marathoned watched about 25 episodes this weekend. With my parents visiting, I didn't have a chance to watch them. I'm up to episode 12? in season 3. "Cold Comfort" was also another awesome episode. And I love how Goren is playing out how Kittridge was murdered, and Alex is all like, she would have put her purse on the hook. Bobbie just looks at her blankly...

"Right...it's a girl thing." And then proceeds to finish his thoughts. That NEVER FAILS to make me 🤣

Or the smackdown he gives that asshole murderer played by Josef Summer--especially the "SHAME ON YOU." I love it when he does his "gotcha" with a dose of justified righteousness.

Bleagh to the Bishop episodes. Aside from her first episode, at least Alex showed up in one scene an episode between Epidoes 6-11. But there are a few good episodes there, like "Sound Bodies", "A Murderer Among Us" , "Happy Family." So glad to see the last of Bishop, though.

Edited August 12, 2019 by GHScorpiosRule

[Xeliou66]

43 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

HAH! I already saw it on ION last week! I just marathoned watched about 25 episodes this weekend. With my parents visiting, I didn't have a chance to watch them. I'm up to episode 12? in season 3. "Cold Comfort" was also another awesome episode. And I love how Goren is playing out how Kittridge was murdered, and Alex is all like, she would have put her purse on the hook. Bobbie just looks at her blankly...

"Right...it's a girl thing." And then precedes to finish his thoughts. That NEVER FAILS to make me 🤣

Or the smackdown he gives that asshole murderer played by Josef Summer--especially the "SHAME ON YOU." I love it when he does his "gotcha" with a dose of justified righteousness.

Bleagh to the Bishop episodes. Aside from her first episode, at least Alex showed up in one scene an episode between Epidoes 6-11. But there are a few good episodes there, like "Sound Bodies", "A Murderer Among Us" , "Happy Family." So glad to see the last of Bishop, though.

The thing that bugs me about Cold Comfort is how they never caught the actual killer, the hitwoman who committed the murder. In fact, they never even seemed to think about trying to track her down, it was totally forgotten about. That irritated me. A pretty good episode with a weird but good plot, but they never caught the hitwoman, it was like they just forgot about her.

[WendyCR72]

2 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

HAH! I already saw it on ION last week! I just marathoned watched about 25 episodes this weekend. With my parents visiting, I didn't have a chance to watch them

I hope you had a great visit with your parents. ION seems to be zipping right through the episodes, too. Count me in as one that gets a kick out of Goren being stymied about the woman's pocketbook and the "girl thing". Hee.

I did like "Sound Bodies" in S3. The scene with Goren getting hit and the deadpan "Ouch!" always gets me. And I like that Connie was revisited in S5 in "Wee Small Hours". As I said before, CI was good about revisiting past stories and characters.

16 hours ago, catlover79 said:

She also played the music student struggling to play clarinet in Mr. Holland's Opus.

Now that one, I never knew!

[catlover79]

5 minutes ago, WendyCR72 said:

Now that one, I never knew!

[WendyCR72]

Wow. I had forgotten that movie came out years ago. Alicia Witt was a baby there.

[Sigmagirl]

4 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

I hope you had a great visit with your parents. ION seems to be zipping right through the episodes, too. Count me in as one that gets a kick out of Goren being stymied about the woman's pocketbook and the "girl thing". Hee.

I did like "Sound Bodies" in S3. The scene with Goren getting hit and the deadpan "Ouch!" always gets me. And I like that Connie was revisited in S5 in "Wee Small Hours". As I said before, CI was good about revisiting past stories and characters.

Now that one, I never knew!

I loved the purse thing too. I would have liked to have seen it go on to see Goren getting schooled. 1, no woman would put her expensive purse on a bathroom floor if she could hang it on a hook, and 2, just because Goren could reach over the top of the door and take it off the hook doesn’t mean anybody else could, especially almost any woman. Sometimes he’s just obtuse, which is when he’s funniest.

[WendyCR72]

4 hours ago, Sigmagirl said:

just because Goren could reach over the top of the door and take it off the hook doesn’t mean anybody else could, especially almost any woman. Sometimes he’s just obtuse, which is when he’s funniest.

Yeah, it was sort of reassuring to know that even genius-level minds like Bobby's could still have a dash of cluelessness. It made him human.

[GHScorpiosRule]

I loved the snark and joking between Alex, Deakins and Bobby in "Unrequited" which was the return of Alex full time. Bobby's happy(?) dance when they were questioning Marian, right after she and her husband Daniel (Joel Fabiani!!!!!) left to the party.

Or Alex's snark about how she went to the First Responders' charity with a date because she was pregnant, not dead. And was she supposed to stay home and knit? Or something like that.

Or her line about being happy to be back when she thought Bobby was going to try to defuse some bomb, but it turned out to be something else in "Pas de Deux." 

Speaking of which, just how STUPID was Margie? She knew Donny for all of what? a week? two weeks? And she Just KNEW the cops were lying about him. I don't care if she was depressed.

[WendyCR72]

9 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Speaking of which, just how STUPID was Margie? She knew Donny for all of what? a week? two weeks? And she Just KNEW the cops were lying about him. I don't care if she was depressed.

And Bobby trying to butter her up, calling her special. I'm like...no. Stupid? Yes. Naive? Definitely. And this person is supposedly a freaking chemistry teacher?! I pity her students.

But I loved everything else you listed. Alex's date when she was pregnant was named Terry. That was the name of Erbe's then-hubby, so nice in-joke! And Bobby's little happy dance was awesome in "Unrequited".

[Spartan Girl]

3 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

And Bobby trying to butter her up, calling her special. I'm like...no. Stupid? Yes. Naive? Definitely. And this person is supposedly a freaking chemistry teacher?! I pity her students.

And her husband and kids. How they could spend the rest of their lives with that sad-sack loser twat after she was ready to ditch them for a serial killer she'd known for two weeks is beyond me.

[WendyCR72]

1 hour ago, Spartan Girl said:

And her husband and kids. How they could spend the rest of their lives with that sad-sack loser twat after she was ready to ditch them for a serial killer she'd known for two weeks is beyond me.

Agreed, but to be fair, the show seemed to try to set up marital discord - at least on her end, referencing her feeling bored, numb, etc. But that is what hobbies and marriage counseling is for. Not running off with a strange serial killer.

I will say the late Charles Rocket did well in the role. I liked how Bobby pulled Donnie/Johnnie (never could quite discern his name!) to him as if to dance. Typical Goren!  🙂

Makes me kind of sad to know Rocket would be gone only a couple years after this episode. (Same deal for Chris Penn after his guest appearance in "Death Roe" in S4, too.)

[shapeshifter]

14 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Speaking of which, just how STUPID was Margie? She knew Donny for all of what? a week? two weeks? And she Just KNEW the cops were lying about him. I don't care if she was depressed.

Margie was vulnerable which made her a target for Donny's well-honed manipulative shtick. 
Plus, her devoted hubby was a dweeb, which Donny was debonair.
What bothered me was the reveal that Donny had stage 4 cancer. Been there, had that, and he would have been more gaunt, haggard, and tired. 

[Spartan Girl]

13 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Agreed, but to be fair, the show seemed to try to set up marital discord - at least on her end, referencing her feeling bored, numb, etc. But that is what hobbies and marriage counseling is for. Not running off with a strange serial killer.

This.  And she didn't even have the decency to leave her husband a dear john note, then when Goren confronts her about the fact that she was ditching her family with Donny, she's got the nerve to say "That's between me and my husband."  Well, it would have been nice to fill him in on it too.  Stupid twat.

[Xeliou66]

I saw Grow today, the Nicole Wallace storyline irritates me everytime I watch it. It was beyond ridiculous that Nicole was granted bail despite being a fugitive wanted for a murder charge and being a massive flight risk. How laughable. At the very least, why didn’t she have a monitor on her? 

The rest of the story was okay, and I liked how Logan was in the episode, it was nice to have him on in a minor role, I laughed at his line about Nicole “beauty, brains and a complete psycho: my dream girl”. But the Nicole stuff was just far fetched and ridiculous. 

[WendyCR72]

3 hours ago, Spartan Girl said:

This.  And she didn't even have the decency to leave her husband a dear john note, then when Goren confronts her about the fact that she was ditching her family with Donny, she's got the nerve to say "That's between me and my husband."  Well, it would have been nice to fill him in on it too.  Stupid twat.

I have to be honest, if Margie had blown up via bomb, I wouldn't have shed a tear. No thought to her kid(s), if not her hubby, then getting all huffy when confronting her about treating her hubby like crap. She was damned lucky that said hubby hired her a lawyer.

I would have let her rot. 

1 hour ago, Xeliou66 said:

The rest of the story was okay, and I liked how Logan was in the episode, it was nice to have him on in a minor role, I laughed at his line about Nicole “beauty, brains and a complete psycho: my dream girl”. But the Nicole stuff was just far fetched and ridiculous. 

I get why the show kept bringing Nicole back: Goren's/Sherlock's own Moriarty in Nicole, but each return brought diminished returns. Frankly, I think the NBC poll in S4 with "Great Barrier" was a huge mistake, and she should have died in S4.

[GHScorpiosRule]

16 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

Margie was vulnerable which made her a target for Donny's well-honed manipulative shtick. 
Plus, her devoted hubby was a dweeb, which Donny was debonair.

This may make me sound cold and heartless, but I don't care that she was "vulnerable." And actually, I don't think she was. She was described as "numb" and Bobby even said possibly depressed. But she still knew right from wrong. I don't feel sorry for her one single bit.

And I watched "The Saint" last night. I know, KNOW I should despise James Bennett, but...but...but it's ♥️💕Stephen Colbert!!!!💕♥️ And frankly with a mother like his, giving ALL HIS MONEY--$130,000! to the foundation? I don't blame him for trying to set them up for a fall. And for all his mother saying she hated clutter and hoarding, she sure had a box full of cards, that by her very statement, she should have trashed along with his toys and what nots.

I hate "Shrink-Wrapped" so much. I can't believe that two such narcissists ever spawned a child. And I'm trying to wrap my brain around the fact that the dad, played by Brent Spiner, also voiced Puck from the animated Gargoyles!

[shapeshifter]

19 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

And I watched "The Saint" last night. I know, KNOW I should despise James Bennett, but...but...but it's ♥️💕Stephen Colbert!!!!💕♥️ And frankly with a mother like his, giving ALL HIS MONEY--$130,000! to the foundation? I don't blame him for trying to set them up for a fall. And for all his mother saying she hated clutter and hoarding, she sure had a box full of cards, that by her very statement, she should have trashed along with his toys and what nots

Heh, yeah. It was a young, baby-faced SC!
Plus he didn't murder anyone.
Aren't all the other perps fom that era violent?
  
  
  

25 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

17 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

Margie was vulnerable which made her a target for Donny's well-honed manipulative shtick. 
Plus, her devoted hubby was a dweeb, which Donny was debonair.

This may make me sound cold and heartless, but I don't care that she was "vulnerable." And actually, I don't think she was. She was described as "numb" and Bobby even said possibly depressed. But she still knew right from wrong. I don't feel sorry for her one single bit.

Fair enough. Can we agree she was being stupid?

It often bugs me in crime shows when perps are both smart and stupid. I think IRL they're mostly just stupid.

[GHScorpiosRule]

12 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

Heh, yeah. It was a young, baby-faced SC!
Plus he didn't murder anyone.

But he did. In the cold open--Louise, the grandmother who had Polio and died when she opened that box? James sent that package. But she wasn't supposed to die. So yeah, he's responsible for killing her.

12 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

Fair enough. Can we agree she was being stupid?

Of course! That was the first thing I said about her.

[Sigmagirl]

3 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

I saw Grow today, the Nicole Wallace storyline irritates me everytime I watch it. It was beyond ridiculous that Nicole was granted bail despite being a fugitive wanted for a murder charge and being a massive flight risk. How laughable. At the very least, why didn’t she have a monitor on her? 

The rest of the story was okay, and I liked how Logan was in the episode, it was nice to have him on in a minor role, I laughed at his line about Nicole “beauty, brains and a complete psycho: my dream girl”. But the Nicole stuff was just far fetched and ridiculous. 

Also, that Nicole was supposed to be a library science student, and later she alludes to Bobby’s mother having been a librarian and therefore he should trust her because of all people, him not trusting a librarian. She was as much a librarian as she was an English literature professor. 

[WendyCR72]

53 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

Heh, yeah. It was a young, baby-faced SC!
Plus he didn't murder anyone.

Well, didn't he send that bomb wrapped as a present to the social worker (who lied about getting a miracle as a teen because of her crush on a priest?). So he would still be responsible for murder. As an aside, that actress went on to play Wilson Fisk's mother (played by VDO) in Daredevil!

Funny how that came full circle.

[WendyCR72]

15 minutes ago, Sigmagirl said:

Also, that Nicole was supposed to be a library science student, and later she alludes to Bobby’s mother having been a librarian and therefore he should trust her because of all people, him not trusting a librarian. She was as much a librarian as she was an English literature professor. 

Maybe I am misremembering, but wasn't "Nicole Wallace" even another name she had stolen? It is what she became known by, but I wonder if that was really her name. I hated the character, but Olivia D'Abo did do a good job with her.

(Every time I think of the pundit Nicolle (two Ls!) Wallace, I think of L&O: CI!)

[shapeshifter]

10 minutes ago, WendyCR72 said:

Maybe I am misremembering, but wasn't "Nicole Wallace" even another name she had stolen? It is what she became known by, but I wonder if that was really her name. I hated the character, but Olivia D'Abo did do a good job with her.

I don't know if "Nicole Wallace" was an alias or not, but I hated her character so much that I am still repelled every time Olivia D'Abo is on my screen. I guess that does mean she did it right.

[GHScorpiosRule]

20 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Well, didn't he send that bomb wrapped as a present to the social worker (who lied about getting a miracle as a teen because of her crush on a priest?). So he would still be responsible for murder. As an aside, that actress went on to play Wilson Fisk's mother (played by VDO) in Daredevil!

Funny how that came full circle.

She's not the only one. The actress who played Madam Gao, also appeared in the episode with Malcolm MacDowell, "Proud Flesh", She played the jewelry store manager who couldn't speak English, who told Bobby about the young Asian woman who came into the store to buy jewelry or something.

20 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Maybe I am misremembering, but wasn't "Nicole Wallace" even another name she had stolen? It is what she became known by, but I wonder if that was really her name. I hated the character, but Olivia D'Abo did do a good job with her.

(Every time I think of the pundit Nicolle (two Ls!) Wallace, I think of L&O: CI!)

I haven't re-watched all the Nicole Wallace episodes yet, but Olivia was Nicole, pretending to be Elizabeth Hitchens in "Anti-Thesis" and "Person of Interest" and was revealed to be Nicole after that fake Anthrax exposure.

[WendyCR72]

1 hour ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

She's not the only one. The actress who played Madam Gao, also appeared in the episode with Malcolm MacDowell, "Proud Flesh", She played the jewelry store manager who couldn't speak English, who told Bobby about the young Asian woman who came into the store to buy jewelry or something.

Now her, I did not recognize! Cool! Thanks for the fill in.  🙂

[Xeliou66]

In the Wee Small Hours was on today, this is one of my favorite CI episodes. I really liked how they did a 2 parter and had both detective pairings working the case, they should’ve done that again. I also liked how Deakins and Carver both got very large roles in the case, it was cool to see Arthur Branch make a cameo as well to talk to Carver about the case, I wish that the DA had made a cameo in other episodes as well. CI didn’t go inside the courtroom much so I liked seeing that part again and having 2 hours allowed them to fully develop the story. It was a good case as well even if it was somewhat predictable, Judge Garrett and his whole family were despicable scum. I liked Eames’ “there they go, Ocean’s Two” line, and it was nice to see the detectives all working together and interacting, like I said above, I wish they had done that again. 

[WendyCR72]

3 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

In the Wee Small Hours was on today, this is one of my favorite CI episodes. I really liked how they did a 2 parter and had both detective pairings working the case, they should’ve done that again. I also liked how Deakins and Carver both got very large roles in the case, it was cool to see Arthur Branch make a cameo as well to talk to Carver about the case, I wish that the DA had made a cameo in other episodes as well. CI didn’t go inside the courtroom much so I liked seeing that part again and having 2 hours allowed them to fully develop the story. It was a good case as well even if it was somewhat predictable, Judge Garrett and his whole family were despicable scum. I liked Eames’ “there they go, Ocean’s Two” line, and it was nice to see the detectives all working together and interacting, like I said above, I wish they had done that again. 

I like it, too. Waaaay back when it aired, though, it was not a two-parter, but just one two-hour episode. (If I recall, it was November Sweeps, so...) Said this before, but I liked how Goren and Eames resolved the whole letter issue. No yelling or talk of betrayal. Just acting like adults and understanding.

And as I have said, I liked the special opening credits.

I do wish that more Mothership character visits happened and/or the two teams - whoever they were - worked together again, although I guess, in a way, they did, during "Loyalty". Or at least three out of the four, since Stevens was too new to contribute much yet.

[Xeliou66]

40 minutes ago, WendyCR72 said:

I like it, too. Waaaay back when it aired, though, it was not a two-parter, but just one two-hour episode. (If I recall, it was November Sweeps, so...) Said this before, but I liked how Goren and Eames resolved the whole letter issue. No yelling or talk of betrayal. Just acting like adults and understanding.

And as I have said, I liked the special opening credits.

I do wish that more Mothership character visits happened and/or the two teams - whoever they were - worked together again, although I guess, in a way, they did, during "Loyalty". Or at least three out of the four, since Stevens was too new to contribute much yet.

Yes I liked how Goren and Eames resolved the letter issue as well and that it didn’t turn into a soap opera. 

I wish that they had had Mothership characters appear more often, I really liked the crossovers/continuity between the franchises and I wish that they had done more of it, it would’ve been nice if Branch had appeared to talk with Carver about cases occasionally, he had several cameos on SVU to discuss cases, and I wish they had managed to bring McCoy on as well, I would’ve loved a McCoy/Carver scene. Some sort of crossover with SVU would’ve been nice as well, Goren and Munch together would’ve been awesome!! 

[WendyCR72]

8 minutes ago, Xeliou66 said:

Some sort of crossover with SVU would’ve been nice as well, Goren and Munch together would’ve been awesome!! 

The quirk would be off the charts. But if there were a crossover with SVU, I think Fin would have made more sense since CI referenced Goren coming to Major Case from narcotics - and isn't that where Fin was before SVU? Maybe Goren and Fin knew each other and/or worked on a case together, etc.

[Xeliou66]

54 minutes ago, WendyCR72 said:

The quirk would be off the charts. But if there were a crossover with SVU, I think Fin would have made more sense since CI referenced Goren coming to Major Case from narcotics - and isn't that where Fin was before SVU? Maybe Goren and Fin knew each other and/or worked on a case together, etc.

Yeah that would’ve made sense. Fin and Munch both appearing on an episode, the way Briscoe/Green did in Poison, would’ve been awesome. It’s too bad SVU and CI never crossed over, well not until CI was off the air when Eames crossed over to SVU for 2 episodes. And I really wish Mothership characters had appeared more than a handful of times.

[WendyCR72]

I really hated Warren Leight undoing CI's ending just so Olivia could have a "kindred spirit" in Alex. Bobby fought tooth and nail to keep his job. But then we find out he quit?

Didn't buy it then, still don't. Bobby liked his career, even if he defied authority.

So I usually just disregard that SVU stint and the whole Alex and Olivia bonding over Bobby and Elliot. No.

The only thing I liked about that mess was Alex channeling Bobby during questioning.

Still, at least Chris Brancato gave this series a proper sendoff. Gotta say, I sort of shudder to think how, if Warren Leight is still EP when it ends, how he will usher SVU out. I mean, it has to end some century. LOL!

[wknt3]

18 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

Some sort of crossover with SVU would’ve been nice as well, Goren and Munch together would’ve been awesome!! 

18 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

The quirk would be off the charts. But if there were a crossover with SVU, I think Fin would have made more sense since CI referenced Goren coming to Major Case from narcotics - and isn't that where Fin was before SVU? Maybe Goren and Fin knew each other and/or worked on a case together, etc.

Fin and Goren both worked in narcotics and both had an Army background so there is definitely some common ground there to add to the obvious parallels of the quirky-snarky partner chemistry. In retrospect it seems kind of odd they never took advantage of that.

17 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

I really hated Warren Leight undoing CI's ending just so Olivia could have a "kindred spirit" in Alex. Bobby fought tooth and nail to keep his job. But then we find out he quit?

Didn't buy it then, still don't. Bobby liked his career, even if he defied authority.

So I usually just disregard that SVU stint and the whole Alex and Olivia bonding over Bobby and Elliot. No.

The only thing I liked about that mess was Alex channeling Bobby during questioning.

Still, at least Chris Brancato gave this series a proper sendoff. Gotta say, I sort of shudder to think how, if Warren Leight is still EP when it ends, how he will usher SVU out. I mean, it has to end some century. LOL!

Yeah I think we can kind of safely ignore that since it was part of the peiod where SVU seemed to be just ignoring the larger franchise continiuity just because they could and nobody cared. And they were also trashing everyone who wasn't there anymore to build up Benson. I say sweep it under the rug with the new DA and Stabler stifling Benson's growth and retcon away! As far as the finale of both shows is concerned it all depends on the mandate from above - CI was certainly well executed, but the marching orders were to make the fans happy with a proper sendoff and I think Leight is more then capable of pulling it off (although he would probably have worked in some unnecessary family drama.) And I don't think SVU's finale will be much different under Leight than any competent strong showrunner. Or any weak and incompetent one for that matter - it will be plotted by Mariska and Dick Wolf and only the execution will be up to the writers and showrunner.

Edited August 16, 2019 by wknt3

[Spartan Girl]

"Dramma Giocoso" is gonna be on. How awful was that bitch? Killing her own daughter not only just to snag a complete asshole, but also because she didn't think she'd take care of her when she went further into dementia. Considering what a terrible mother she was, I really wouldn't blame her!

[WendyCR72]

2 hours ago, Spartan Girl said:

"Dramma Giocoso" is gonna be on. How awful was that bitch? Killing her own daughter not only just to snag a complete asshole, but also because she didn't think she'd take care of her when she went further into dementia. Considering what a terrible mother she was, I really wouldn't blame her!

The relationship between "this bitch" (hee!) and her daughter, I wonder if it is another "chicken or the egg" scenario? Remember, the doctor at the hospital told Logan she had to be called again because she never showed two hours after her mom had been discharged. So did the mother end up resenting her because the daughter loved her music more than her mother or did Laura throw herself into her music above all else because her mother was so damned awful?

Could be either/or, but I lean toward option 2.  😉

"Vacancy" is on now and I still wish Emily Bergl's shrieky, whiny Alice was cab driver killer's victim and not Megan. God, is she ever annoying.

[WendyCR72]

11 hours ago, wknt3 said:

Fin and Goren both worked in narcotics and both had an Army background

I never knew about the Army background with Fin. (I don't pay as close attention to SVU as I do the Mothership and CI, for some reason.) Now it really makes me wish we had some Fin/Goren interaction, either in the present day or some flashbacks while in narcotics or something! Oh, well.

[Spartan Girl]

30 minutes ago, WendyCR72 said:

The relationship between "this bitch" (hee!) and her daughter, I wonder if it is another "chicken or the egg" scenario? Remember, the doctor at the hospital told Logan she had to be called again because she never showed two hours after her mom had been discharged. So did the mother end up resenting her because the daughter loved her music more than her mother or did Laura throw herself into her music above all else because her mother was so damned awful?

Could be either/or, but I lean toward option 2.  😉

Even if it was option 1 it's still no excuse. I mean, killing your own daughter because she's too busy to take care of you? The very definition of narcissism and entitlement.

[ML89]

1 hour ago, Spartan Girl said:

Even if it was option 1 it's still no excuse. I mean, killing your own daughter because she's too busy to take care of you? The very definition of narcissism and entitlement.

Yeah, I wasn’t too sad when Conductor Dude backed right out - talk about reaping what you sowed. 

[WendyCR72]

2 hours ago, Spartan Girl said:

Even if it was option 1 it's still no excuse. I mean, killing your own daughter because she's too busy to take care of you? The very definition of narcissism and entitlement.

Oh, no argument. Based on the beginning of the episode when Laura was asking her mother why she isn't supporting her, I got the feeling it was far from the first time. Mommie Dearest seemed like a narcissist.

[WendyCR72]

Oxygen went from S7 to S1 and the episodes in the middle of the night tomorrow include "The Pardoner's Tale". I can't stand the wife of the dude that ordered the hit on the reporter. "I can't care about that!" As Alex told her, if that is the case, she belongs in jail.

"The Good Doctor" is a good one. I liked seeing Carver actually having some meat in the courtroom and going after the arrogant SOB. But in real life? I doubt Kelmer would have been convicted.

"Poison" begins that three-hour block. Trudy was a cold bitch. Hard to believe J. Smith Cameron went from that in S1 to one of Mark Ford Brady's traumatized victims in S6. Ah, repeat actors, how you amuse me.

[Spartan Girl]

2 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Oxygen went from S7 to S1 and the episodes in the middle of the night tomorrow include "The Pardoner's Tale". I can't stand the wife of the dude that ordered the hit on the reporter. "I can't care about that!" As Alex told her, if that is the case, she belongs in jail.

For real. Most women would've left their husband the second they found out he'd been embezzling money rather than wait and raise the kids while he's living the good life in hiding at some Carribbean resort. So maybe it's not that much of a surprise that the twat "couldn't care" about him killing two people.

[WendyCR72]

1 hour ago, Spartan Girl said:

For real. Most women would've left their husband the second they found out he'd been embezzling money rather than wait and raise the kids while he's living the good life in hiding at some Carribbean resort. So maybe it's not that much of a surprise that the twat "couldn't care" about him killing two people.

Kate Burton seemed to excel at playing at unlikable types. (I watched early Grey's Anatomy but quit long ago, and she played an ice queen there.)  But I really couldn't stand her character here. (Don't know if people here know or not, but her father was actor Richard Burton.)

[Xeliou66]

4 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Oxygen went from S7 to S1 and the episodes in the middle of the night tomorrow include "The Pardoner's Tale". I can't stand the wife of the dude that ordered the hit on the reporter. "I can't care about that!" As Alex told her, if that is the case, she belongs in jail.

"The Good Doctor" is a good one. I liked seeing Carver actually having some meat in the courtroom and going after the arrogant SOB. But in real life? I doubt Kelmer would have been convicted.

"Poison" begins that three-hour block. Trudy was a cold bitch. Hard to believe J. Smith Cameron went from that in S1 to one of Mark Ford Brady's traumatized victims in S6. Ah, repeat actors, how you amuse me.

The Pardoner’s Tale is okay, but I always get confused about them introducing a fictional governor in that episode, when on the original L&O they had mentioned the real governor several times. Not good continuity. 

The Good Doctor is excellent, it was a very compelling plot to be so straightforward, interesting to watch the investigation unfold and I also really liked seeing Carver get some meaty courtroom scenes. Juries have convicted without a body and on circumstantial evidence before, so I bought that they would convict Kelmer. Deakins also got a larger role in that episode which I liked, I liked the debate between Goren and Eames about whether or not to tell the family it wasn’t Valerie’s body they found and Deakins siding with Goren, good scene. 

Poison was great as well, Trudy was an evil, ice cold bitch, and her mother was spineless and pathetic. And of course it was great to see Briscoe and Green appear to discuss the case with Goren and Eames, 4 great detectives together, that was awesome!! I loved Goren suggesting to Briscoe and Green to leak the details of the case to the media, and then Deakins getting pissed when it happened but Goren and Eames staying silent about who leaked it.

Edited August 22, 2019 by Xeliou66

[wknt3]

21 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

The Pardoner’s Tale is okay, but I always get confused about them introducing a fictional governor in that episode, when on the original L&O they had mentioned the real governor several times. Not good continuity. 

Yeah, but this is one of those areas where continuity has to take a back seat to the network and the show's lawyers. Given that they were depicting the governor's office in a rather negative light they couldn't actually use the name of a real life politician. And while as a NYS resident I firmly believe that they could get away it legally since truth is an absolute defense in a libel case, they were filming in NY and taking money from the city and state so that's pretty much a deal breaker. Given that in the L&Overse it seemed all the politicians were constantly resigning after getting implicated in scandals uncovered by murder investigations we can just assume that's what happened off screen and handwave it away without too much trouble. Not perfect continuity, but far from the worst mistake especially since the rule seemed to be that they used real names until they actually became part of the episode (except for cameos) so it fits in pretty well that way.

Edited August 22, 2019 by wknt3
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