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On ‎5‎/‎20‎/‎2019 at 12:10 AM, vavera4ka said:

We "survived" El & Nicki win, we "survived" Heroes win, we'll survive this.

Personally not sure if I've survived the Heroes win to this day.

22 hours ago, aradia22 said:

Another reason the Netherlands was a baffling win was because it was a depressing break up song. I don't expect every song to be pop-y and inspiring but it could be political or thoughtful or something. I do not understand what would attract someone to this song.


Well… as you said, it's a 'depressing break-up song'… I just had a super depressing break-up…. go figure.  😉  

27 minutes ago, vavera4ka said:

Poland would have gotten 10 from Czechia in the semi and advanced into the finale instead of Belarus.

!!!! Okay, that pisses me off big time. Poland should've been in the finals. 

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3 minutes ago, Rosenrot said:

!!!! Okay, that pisses me off big time. Poland should've been in the finals. 

well, at least THIS f up wasn't Belarus' fault lol

Being Belarusian I'm on the fence. We have a poor record (6 Q's out of 16 appearances), so any qualification is a win. (Russia and Ukraine aim for top 5, anything else is a flop, we are just happy to sing twice). Poland is at over 50% (14 out of 22). I'd be more at peace with it had it been at the expense of a more successful country. Petty? sure. lol but being a redheaded stepchild of ex-USSR is not easy lol

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5 minutes ago, vavera4ka said:

We have a poor record (6 Q's out of 16 appearances), so any qualification is a win. (Russia and Ukraine aim for top 5, anything else is a flop, we are just happy to sing twice). Poland is at over 50% (14 out of 22). I'd be more at peace with it had it been at the expense of a more successful country.

Heh, I know what you mean. Finland's track record isn't exactly impressive either. It's totally a victory for us if we get to sing twice!

This year was just sad. But we had a poor entry, so it's not like it was undeserved. 

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2 minutes ago, Rosenrot said:

Heh, I know what you mean. Finland's track record isn't exactly impressive either. It's totally a victory for us if we get to sing twice!

This year was just sad. But we had a poor entry, so it's not like it was undeserved. 

Darude's beat and mixing was wasted on mediocre artist and song tbh. I liked what he brought into the entry. Sebastian.... well he's cute... I guess...

(Blackbird was robbed)

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Yeah, I believe we would've fared better if Darude had done, y'know, his thing, more visibly than now. Sandstorm is a great song. Had it been something like that, with stronger vocals than what Sebastian could offer… catchy tune... who knows what might've happened.

Blackbird was SO robbed, I'm glad someone else thinks that way too! ❤️ For once Finland sent something good and just got pooped on. I was so irked.  

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7 minutes ago, Rosenrot said:

Blackbird was SO robbed, I'm glad someone else thinks that way too! ❤️ For once Finland sent something good and just got pooped on. I was so irked.  

Actually I've found that a lot of Eurovision regulars think that. It's not the level of disbelief of Crisalide not qualifying because it was San-Marino, but close.

Honestly, I can kinda understand Finland and San-Marino not putting much effort into selections at times. It's like if Blackbird or Crisalide isn't enough for the finale, why bother... I can name a handful of countries who could have won with either song... 

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Personally not sure if I've survived the Heroes win to this day.

Honestly? Same.

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2 hours ago, vavera4ka said:

Honestly, I can kinda understand Finland and San-Marino not putting much effort into selections at times. It's like if Blackbird or Crisalide isn't enough for the finale, why bother... I can name a handful of countries who could have won with either song... 

IKR?! Couldn't have said it better myself! 😄 

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I stand corrected. The UK's only had six of their Eurovision entries peak inside the Top 5 on the UK charts since *1973*: their three winners since then (Brotherhood of Man and Bucks Fizz at #1, Katrina and the Waves at #3), Bardo (#2 in 1982), Gina G (#1 in 1996), and... uh... Scooch (#5 in 2007).

And only three of the others (Love City Groove, Precious, and... uh... Daz Sampson) even reached the Top 10. Even Olivia Newton-John only peaked at #11 when she competed in 1974.

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8 hours ago, vavera4ka said:

I'm so confused by UK. So. Much. Good. Music.

yet year after year the question is whether it'll be last or second to last place...

I know, Engelbert Humperdinck, Bonnie Tyler, and Blue flopped, but has UK tried to send anyone who has charted in the world in the previous 3-5 years? 

The problem is no big stars want to do Eurovision, because of the reputation we have for losing. But then this means that younger, less experienced, acts get chosen by the BBC. 

The problem with that is that because the BBC is a public broadcaster, and we have really really strict rules on public broadcasters, the BBC aren't allowed to advertise the act or the song. A lot of it is down to the act themselves, but when they're not really famous and just starting their careers, they don't really have the 'clout' to get themselves played on the Radio across Europe without either a) a crazy amazing song (which we haven't sent in recent years) and b) a bit of a grassroots movement (because people expect the UK to be shit so they don't pay as much attention understandably). 

Another issue with the BBC is that they micro manage the performance. Again, if there was a bigger act this wouldn't be as much of an issue because they could just tell the Beeb to fuck off and there's not really anything the BBC could do about it. But for smaller acts, again they don't have the clout to be able to say 'No, I'm going to do it my way'. The BBC tend to over produce whatever songs we do have, case in point our 2017 entry. I thought she was really lovely during our national selection, but for the contest for some ridiculous reason they decided to add some weird bass in the background. 

Basically, the BBC play it too safe. They've always had a bit of a reputation for that, they're in a bit of hot bother over it now to be honest, so we end up with not very famous acts, with boring generic songs. We need someone willing to take a risk. 

Just to put this out there, if anyone from the BBC is reading this, next year we should send a song in Welsh. That's a pretty big risk, but it could end up quite fun.

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I'd love something in Welsh, or Gaelic or... anything other than a boring basic vanilla stuff. This only works for Sweden (for some reason lol)

Being one of big 5, and, I guess not caring whether they win, is such  great opportunity to experiment. Neither Iceland nor Portugal were my cuppa this year, but I appreciated the balls both countries had to send something THAT different (in terms of the contest)

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I think Welsh is more likely if they do try another language, but Gaelic would probably be smarter. Gaelic would appeal more to Ireland and maybe Norway too (?), but Welsh would honestly not be that much different than when Norway sent a song in Swahili a few years ago. One of the Welsh TV channels used the BBC not doing Junior Eurovision as a loophole to enter themselves, and they finished dead last. (Fun fact: Aside from Malta, which doesn't really fit either category, Wales is the first "western" country to finish last at JESC since it began in 2003, and no "eastern" country has finished last in an adult Eurovision final since 1994.)

I do agree the UK needs to use the Big 5 as an excuse to swing for the fences rather than playing it safe year after year. Sometimes it'll work (like Iceland this year) and sometimes it won't (like Portugal this year), and that's perfectly fine. I know they want to copy Sweden because Sweden's always right at the top of the leaderboard, but (1) all the rule changes in recent years have directly advantaged Sweden by making the contest more like their national final, (2) Sweden gets neighbour votes from multiple countries while the UK's only neighbour votes come from Ireland, which isn't historically predisposed to being friendly with them, and (3) Sweden's approach wouldn't work if the roles were reversed and they were in the Big 5. It's going to sound odd, but what they really need to be doing is copying *Hungary* instead. When you only get one chance to perform, you need a song that's going to make people THINK and remember you, and while I may not like all of their songs, Hungary never fails to send a thoughtful entry of the sort that would work wonders if a Big 5 country sent it. Plus... like, yes it's in the middle of Europe, but who's giving votes to Hungary just because it's Hungary, you know? And yet this year is only the third time they've lost in the semi final. Real quiet achievers.

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I agree about Hungary, Origo is one of my most favourite Eurovision songs ever. They sent the same guy this year but his song just didn't have the same impact on me. 

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Origo was awesome.

I do like Hungary's approach. Just when Balkans stopped doing their thing and started copying the West, Hungary decided to go the route of "we'll be sending what we like, if you like it, awesome, if you don't, ah well... maybe next year you'll like what we like"

I like Georgia for the same reason. They don't give a shit. And, actually, 2nd year in a row their live performance completely changed my mind about the entry. Last year I got goosebumps hearing those harmonies live. I genuinely started pulling for them. This year there were two songs that I turned off after 30 seconds: Iceland and Georgia. But the staging and the energy from Oto made me change my mind. I was really sad when they didn't qualify.

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Basically

Italy: great job.

Everyone else: get your shit together.

UK: are you even trying?

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Yes it does. Shame they didn't fix it on air and give North Macedonia some great publicity instead of crowning Prince Sweden yet again.

While I agree that Italy's the one Big Five country doing it right, it's worth noting that Germany's last five televote scores are 0, 136, 3, 10, and 0, and France's total is very heavily skewed towards the points Amir received as well.

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Last year Germany was my #1 actually. I was hoping they would look at what worked and do well a again... no such luck lol My fav German entry though is Roger Cicero (RIP). Last time they sang in German.

Last time Spain was in my top was 2010 with Algo pequenito (I also liked Pastora and Dancing in the rain)

Didn't really like Amir's song, but loved Alma in 2017. I do like when France does stuff like L'amour à la française or Moustache. Those were fun.

The only UK song I remember  liking (and I'm ashamed of it  bit lol) was Still in love with you

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Still in Love With You was one of those songs that was really good before the contest, but flopped on stage because they couldn't possibly live up to the fun of the video clip for the song (see also: panto gorilla). I think sending it was the second best decision the BBC made this entire decade (behind sending Blue to Germany) but it didn't work out. Still: exceptionally brave, more of this please, et cetera.

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So I decided to finally listen to the songs. Is it just me or are the lyrics particularly bad this year?

There are songs that sound good like Armenia that are so messy as a native English speaker. I liked Croatia but it legitimately felt like he sat down with a rhyming journal. At least that one made sense and didn't have terrible syntax. The Czech Republic song had the slick production of a song from Sweden but Jesus Christ what was he going on about? I really liked Denmark but it was like an Ingrid Michaelson or Kate Nash song with zero irony... which made her sound like a moron. I feel like this is the wrong style for a put aside your differences song. I'll take a big inspirational ballad over a plinky plonky song about how you shouldn't be political or judge anyone. Have you seen what's going on in the world lately? I respect Finland for being mildly politically conscious but it sounded like a lesser U2 song with a dance beat and I hate U2. I liked France conceptually but the song was kind of meh. Even in French (which I understand) the lyrics were very simplistic and I don't think the singer's voice is that good or else he probably sounds better singing R&B than wailing a big ballad. He sounded like a lesser singing contest contestant. The song erased anything special about his voice. Germany didn't have a terrible song but they're not very good singers. Also, Eurovision songs tend to be general and unspecific. This one lacked universality. And if that was supposed to be universal... nope. Also, it created an itch in the back of my brain. It sounds a little like this. https://youtu.be/ZIWBMeYlrOQ?t=65 I don't think it's copying another song. I just think it's generic. Someone who knows music theory would probably see it shares chords and structure with a lot of songs. Greece had just a decent song but amazing production values. Very Florence + the Machine but more high fashion. She reminds me a lot of someone else but I can't put my finger on it. Iceland was a great addition to the live show but yeah... I don't this kind of metal/rock vocal so the song is tough for me. The beat helps and I like the 80's vibe when he's not screaming. But... yeah, no. Not for me. Ireland had the Croatia rhyming problem except they are native English speakers so I'm a lot less lenient. It wasn't terrible but it's like a lesser One Direction song or something. It's pleasant enough but it is not the single you use to sell the album. Israel was fine as dramatic piano ballads go. Good voice. But the lyrics were a mess of meaningless cliches. Is Italy cultural appropriation? Yes. But it sounds good. First time in years I've liked an entry from Italy. In another context, I might like the Latvia entry but the lyrics are nonsense. Combined with weak vocals and a genre I barely like, nope. I don't really like tenors, but if Europe was going to go for a cute boy with a boring pop song, why not Lithuania? He was a little pitchy but he's more attractive than the guy from the Netherlands. Malta skirted the line between Eurovision English as a second language gibberish and regular pop song gibberish. There was a lot of cliched nonsense but it mostly made sense. Again, high production values in the video and the music production is fire. I'd believe you if you told me this was a Dua Lipa song written by Jason Derulo. Moldova sent this year's Celine Dion wannabe. She didn't sound bad for a Celine impersonator but the song was worse than what ends up on Lea Michele's pop albums. I liked Montenegro's song. Not sure about all those babies singing about their intense heartbreak. But it felt like the song that plays over the credits of an animated movie. Also, I respect that Montenegro likes showing off their traditional instruments and doing sweeping shots of their landscape. So now that I can hear the lyrics, I can see why North Macedonia ranked so high with their inspiring girl power song. Melodically it was boring and dreary. It could have been a breakup song. But lyrically it makes sense for 2019. I liked Norway. It was a pop song but also theatrical. Like one of the songs from the musical Chess. It was very much a... this is what I come to Eurovision for. I wish their live performance was more like their video. Poland was interesting. The chanting fell somewhere between brat pop and children's song. I think I would have liked it more if it escalated instead of sounding more childish. It reminded me of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DebmhCx8EA but without the slick pop edge. A song like this has to go somewhere or it feels like the drone of real childhood chants. Portugal was way too extra. I liked the Romania song but the video game me the impression it was going to feature vampires and it didn't and I was disappointed. Also, a better love song than the Netherlands song. Russia's entry was no "You Are the Only One." I would put it squarely on the same level as every other boring male pop ballad breakup song this year. San Marino was self-consciously cheesy. I'm into it. I also like the slick disco vibe. Serbia wasn't bad but I had no patience for an overwrought power ballad like this after getting so far down the list. Slovenia is totally the kind of music I listen to but I 100% get why no one wanted it. Same for Austria. Spain was one of the few songs I could hear properly during the live show. Still a bop. Sweden was a totally pedestrian X Factor winner song. The only thing elevating it was having the gospel singers as backup. I needed less of the lead singer and a million times more of the backup singers. Switzerland was like knockoff Nick Jonas. So Justin Timberlake with a harder beat. It had a bit of a Jason Derulo vibe too. Like the sampled bits of Talk Dirty. It sounds so good, but I hate that I kind of like this song. I don't feel good about it. Netherlands is still incredibly boring. It sounds like Coldplay. If this song came up on the radio you wouldn't change the station but I don't know how it's anyone's favorite song. UK sent another inspirational ballad. A solid one. It's never going to be my favorite entry but I liked it.

tl;dr

Songs I liked and will continue to listen to: Austria, Denmark, Georgia, Germany, Italy, Slovenia, Romania, Montenegro, Malta, UK, Croatia, France, Norway, San Marino, Cyprus, Greece, Spain

Most Eurovision-y entries of the songs I liked: Norway, San Marino, Croatia, France, UK, Cyprus, Greece, Spain

Legitimate bops: Cyprus and Spain. Cyprus came in hot with a song that could be a real pop song. Very Rihanna sung by Ariana Grande... so Fifth Harmony. I feel like the club tracks never do that well but I can see this getting play after the competition.

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