Perry Mason

[roseha]

The switch to change black and white shows to color was sometimes unfortunate I think.   Personally I feel that it was very detrimental to the noir look and feel of The Fugitive, despite the show getting  a huge rating for its finale.  I wonder if it would have worked well for Perry Mason either.

I did read that The Dick Van Dyke Show would have aslo gone to color also if it had been renewed.

[Egg McMuffin]

It would have - everything that was in B&W for the 1965-66 season went or would have gone to color for the 1966-67 season, when all three networks had full color primetime schedules. “The Donna Reed Show,” “The Patty Duke Show” “The Addams Family”, and “The Munsters” all would have been in color had they been renewed for another year (“Patty Duke” was actually cancelled over this - ABC and the production company couldn’t agree over who would pay for the increased production costs due to color).

Most of CBS’s sitcoms actually went to color in the fall of 1965. They knew at that point that “Dick Van Dyke” was likely going into its last season, so it was allowed to stay in B&W for the final season.

[dttruman]

8 hours ago, roseha said:

Personally I feel that it was very detrimental to the noir look and feel of The Fugitive, despite the show getting  a huge rating for its finale. 

Was the "noir look" actually called that back then, or was that just the normal look, and was the colorized the revolutionized "new and improved" look? I remember watching different programs back in the mid 60's and what sounded strange was if I watched a program, at the intro the narrator would say "in living color" or there would be a caption at the bottom "in color". I guess this was their way of telling me (or the public), they were in color, so I (or we) need to get a color tv.

The "noir" to me was always the black & white look along with the dress shirt and tie, heavy suits (not light and airy) and fedoras and overcoats.

[Egg McMuffin]

I do believe that The Fugitive was referred to as noir, not just because of the black and white photography, but because of the cynical attitudes and motivations of many of the characters. As for the photography itself, it had the same type of stark, dark style - with lots of shadows - as some of the classic film noir movies of the 40s. Contrast it with something like I Love Lucy, which had much brighter, flatter lighting.

I also think color kind of hurt The Fugitive. Same with Combat - it was a 1940s period piece and it was more effective in B&W.

[peacheslatour]

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It would have - everything that was in B&W for the 1965-66 season went or would have gone to color for the 1966-67 season, when all three networks had full color primetime schedules. “The Donna Reed Show,” “The Patty Duke Show” “The Addams Family”, and “The Munsters” all would have been in color had they been renewed for another year 

Addams Family? Bad idea. Like really bad.

 

[Fool to cry]

Binging season 2. Man, never go to Perry for legal advice on just a small matter. You wind up getting arrested for murder the next day!

Speaking of noir, I like how all the "bad" women in the late 50s look like they're off a paperback cover painted by Robert McGinnis!

Edited April 9, 2022 by Fool to cry

[Fool to cry]

Perry "sympathetic eyes" Mason vs Hamilton "suspicious eyes" Burger.

[Schnickelfritz]

Just saw an ad that the Perry  Mason movies are going to shown on MeTV Sunday nights (8pm Eastern) starting May 8th. Hurrah!

[dttruman]

1 hour ago, Schnickelfritz said:

Just saw an ad that the Perry  Mason movies are going to shown on MeTV Sunday nights (8pm Eastern) starting May 8th. Hurrah!

I have always like the 1 hour versions of the Perry Mason, but these 2 hour Perry Mason movies, kind of left me a little disappointed. It seems like his private investigator Paul Drake Jr or law student Ken Malansky have little adventures of their own, that seem to waste a lot of that 2 hour time. I always thought they should have made them into 1 1/2 hour episodes, like the old Sunday Night Mystery Movies with McCloud, McMillian & Wife, and Columbo.

[Egg McMuffin]

Agreed. Unfortunately by the mid 80s, there were no more 90 minute time slots on network TV. Which is too bad because the new Perry Masons and Columbos would have benefitted from the shorter run time, as would have many of the TV movies of the era. The 90 minute TV movies from the 1970s were much better IMO.

The 70s NBC Mystery Movie actually expanded to two hours for a season or two, and then NBC went back to the original length, realizing its mistake.

I also missed William Katt (Paul Jr) when he departed. Billy Moses was just dull (in his first few episodes, they gave him a wacky girlfriend to add some color, but she disappeared).

[Schnickelfritz]

I agree with both of you (dttruman and Egg McMuffin) but I will be watching anyway! They suck me in every time. Enjoy the first one and then it is all down hill from there, but there I am...

The one thing I  disagree with is William Katt. I hated his character. His dad was suave and cool  but Paul Jr kind of an idiot. He was too inept for my tastes. Didn't like Billy Moses either.

[Egg McMuffin]

I liked the initial one, too, plus the second one, with Michele Greene as the nun and Tom Bosley warming up for his later role as Father Dowling. After that, they were hit or miss. But they were certainly popular - the movies actually ran for 10 seasons, one season longer than the original series.

[dttruman]

1 hour ago, Egg McMuffin said:

the movies actually ran for 10 seasons, one season longer than the original series.

Now, are you actually counting those last couple of movies where they used a Western type lawyer who wore a cowboy hat, I can't think of his name? I don't really count him, but it is still a fair assessment.

[Egg McMuffin]

Yeah - I am. The last four were without Raymond Burr and the last one was in 1995. The production company already had the scripts written and had a contract with NBC to do them so they went ahead.

[dttruman]

There are some episodes from a remake of the Perry Mason series from back in the 1970.s starring Monte Markham. I watched a couple of them and I recognized a few of the actors that appeared in the Perry Mason series from back in the 50's and 60's

Here is one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF-DP14HQ5Y

 

[Milburn Stone]

4 hours ago, dttruman said:

There are some episodes from a remake of the Perry Mason series from back in the 1970.s starring Monte Markham. I watched a couple of them and I recognized a few of the actors that appeared in the Perry Mason series from back in the 50's and 60's

Here is one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF-DP14HQ5Y

 

I went right to the end credits, and saw that Gail Patrick was on there as "Executive Consultant." I'm gonna guess that means she said "pay me something or I sue." In which case I say, "More power to her!"

[dttruman]

2 hours ago, Milburn Stone said:

I went right to the end credits, and saw that Gail Patrick was on there as "Executive Consultant." I'm gonna guess that means she said "pay me something or I sue." In which case I say, "More power to her!"

What happen to the "Jackson" at the end of Gail Patrick?

And from what I remember, she was a stickler for facts and realism. The "Matlock" episode's court room scenes are far from realistic and that's probably why they wanted Gail's opinion or experience.

Edited May 5, 2022 by dttruman

[Milburn Stone]

1 minute ago, dttruman said:

What happen to the "Jackson" at the end of Gail Patrick?

It was a reversion to the norm for her. As an actress in the thirties and forties, she went by Gail Patrick.

[Egg McMuffin]

Monte Markham, he of the crooked smile. No thanks.

[chessiegal]

Anyone else wonder what Barbara Hale is writing on the steno pads in court and the office? Doodling? I wish this scene was over, I'm hungry. Just me? Okay then.

[dttruman]

4 hours ago, chessiegal said:

Anyone else wonder what Barbara Hale is writing on the steno pads in court and the office? Doodling? I wish this scene was over, I'm hungry. Just me? Okay then.

I wonder if she was doodling anything, because I didn't even know if she was faking writing?

[Ghost of TWOP Past]

Lately I have become obsessed with the 50s/60s series. I watch it every night before bed and think about it while I'm not watching it. The thing is, it's Perry himself that fascinates me. I find the plots overly complex and confusing, the acting uneven, and the final reveal is always so formulaic. But Perry glides through life with serene confidence. He is a respected professional and even the police who are his opponents are not his enemies and know he plays a valuable part in the same justice system that they do. Perry is always immaculately polite, even when arguing with the prosecutor in court. Raymond Burr has a nice voice and good diction, and he's pleasant to listen to. Perry is intelligent and well-spoken with a strong vocabulary. He says precisely what he means to say, and no more and no less. His meaning is always clear. Perry does not hurry, is rarely surprised, and never dismayed. He doesn't throw money around but he clearly does not worry about making rent or paying medical bills. His suits are always tidy and he drives a new-ish car. Unlike modern tv characters, Perry is not feuding with an ex-wife nor does he have a substance abuse problem. He's self-employed so his boss is not nagging him or making unreasonable demands. The one time we see him outside of work (at least in the episodes I've seen so far) he spends his free time quietly at home, reading a book on the couch. Perry always knows what to do and is confident that he can do it. In short, I envy Perry's relaxed mastery over his sedate life and find the show soothing to watch. I want Perry Mason's life. 

[alvajon]

Ghost of TWOP Past--Best summary ever of our Perry Mason.  I’ve watched the early episodes from #1 to #271 probably eight or ten times.  When nothing else is on t.v., there is always Perry Mason.  MeTV is running all the Perry Mason movies and I just watched The Case of the Sinister Spirit--one of the best movies/episodes ever, so suspenseful and fun to watch--shades of The Shining, and Ten Little Indians, sort of.  

[dttruman]

3 hours ago, alvajon said:

Ghost of TWOP Past--Best summary ever of our Perry Mason.  I’ve watched the early episodes from #1 to #271 probably eight or ten times.  When nothing else is on t.v., there is always Perry Mason.  MeTV is running all the Perry Mason movies and I just watched The Case of the Sinister Spirit--one of the best movies/episodes ever, so suspenseful and fun to watch--shades of The Shining, and Ten Little Indians, sort of.  

They also run the TV series twice a day, 9 am and 11pm (different episodes) EST M-F. If you can't get get enough there, The Sundance channel shows them Thursday, 1-6am and Friday, 2-6am EST.

[dttruman]

7 hours ago, Ghost of TWOP Past said:

Lately I have become obsessed with the 50s/60s series. I watch it every night before bed and think about it while I'm not watching it. The thing is, it's Perry himself that fascinates me. I find the plots overly complex and confusing, the acting uneven, and the final reveal is always so formulaic. But Perry glides through life with serene confidence. He is a respected professional and even the police who are his opponents are not his enemies and know he plays a valuable part in the same justice system that they do. Perry is always immaculately polite, even when arguing with the prosecutor in court. Raymond Burr has a nice voice and good diction, and he's pleasant to listen to. Perry is intelligent and well-spoken with a strong vocabulary. He says precisely what he means to say, and no more and no less. His meaning is always clear. Perry does not hurry, is rarely surprised, and never dismayed. He doesn't throw money around but he clearly does not worry about making rent or paying medical bills. His suits are always tidy and he drives a new-ish car. Unlike modern tv characters, Perry is not feuding with an ex-wife nor does he have a substance abuse problem. He's self-employed so his boss is not nagging him or making unreasonable demands. The one time we see him outside of work (at least in the episodes I've seen so far) he spends his free time quietly at home, reading a book on the couch. Perry always knows what to do and is confident that he can do it. In short, I envy Perry's relaxed mastery over his sedate life and find the show soothing to watch. I want Perry Mason's life. 

Perry has a couple of pastimes and a "substance abuse problem" in a way. Perry likes to go deep sea fishing, he also likes art (paintings), and he also has a work shop. His substance abuse is very evident, but understandable and he needed to do something about it since the last few seasons of the show. Perry had kind of a weight problem. It was nice to see that Perry wasn't smoking in the last few seasons. In the first few seasons of the show, it seemed like everyone was smoking a lot, except for Della. In fact, I don't ever remember her smoking at all.

Edited June 8, 2022 by dttruman

[GHScorpiosRule]

2 hours ago, dttruman said:

His substance abuse is very evident, but understandable and he needed to do something about it since the last few seasons of the show. Perry had kind of a weight problem.

That had to do with Raymond Burr's back problems. And he was always a heavy guy--he was forced to lose the weight in the early seasons, when he looked slimmer. I've never heard that Burr had any substance abuse problems. And it's why in the movies, he's almost always sitting, and using a cane.

I love Original Perry. And for all the reasons stated above by @Ghost of TWOP Past. And it's why I will never ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, EVER, watch that insult of a "reboot" on HBO Max supposedly about Perry before he was Perry.

Edited June 8, 2022 by GHScorpiosRule

[dttruman]

33 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

That had to do with his Raymond Burr's back problems. And he was always a heavy guy--he was forced to lose the weight in the early seasons, when he looked slimmer. I've never heard that Burr had any substance abuse problems. And it's why in the movies, he's almost always sitting, and using a cane.

I may have misdirected everyone here a little. I thought his problem was just over-eating. As for his sitting, do you mean his Ironside tv series? I thought his back problems came later and was only prevalent in his sort of retirement years when he did his Perry Mason movies.

[GHScorpiosRule]

20 minutes ago, dttruman said:

I may have misdirected everyone here a little. I thought his problem was just over-eating. As for his sitting, do you mean his Ironside tv series? I thought his back problems came later and was only prevalent in his sort of retirement years when he did his Perry Mason movies.

No. I meant the Perry Mason movies.

And no. He had back problems going back to the original series. It's why we had those handful of episodes of other defense attorneys like Bette Davis, and that other dude whose name I can't remember, being the focus and representing the defendants.

[peacheslatour]

1 hour ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

No. I meant the Perry Mason movies.

And no. He had back problems going back to the original series. It's why we had those handful of episodes of other defense attorneys like Bette Davis, and that other dude whose name I can't remember, being the focus and representing the defendants.

There were four. Bette Davis whom you mentioned, Walter Pidgeon, Hugh O'Brien and Michael Rennie.

[alvajon]

11 hours ago, dttruman said:

They also run the TV series twice a day, 9 am and 11pm (different episodes) EST M-F. If you can't get get enough there, The Sundance channel shows them Thursday, 1-6am and Friday, 2-6am EST.

ddtruman:  All my sources... And, all the old Colombo episodes are right up there with Perry Mason, in my book--lawyer, cop, they go hand in hand, almost. 

[dttruman]

6 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

There were four. Bette Davis whom you mentioned, Walter Pidgeon, Hugh O'Brien and Michael Rennie.

What about Joe Mannix or Mike Conners?

[GHScorpiosRule]

5 minutes ago, dttruman said:

What about Joe Mannix or Mike Conners?

He appeared once in the movies. Never on the original show. The movies, after Raymond Burr passed away, had Mike Connor, Paul Sorvino, and Hal Holbrook. There may have been one more, or Hal appeared twice.

[Milburn Stone]

9 hours ago, dttruman said:

Perry has a couple of pastimes and a "substance abuse problem" in a way. Perry likes to go deep sea fishing, he also likes art (paintings), and he also has a work shop. His substance abuse is very evident

I'm really confused about this. Are you talking about Perry (which you say you are), or Raymond Burr? The only "substance abuse" problem I can think of in relation to Perry is that he's usually very happy to have a drink in the evening. But problem? I'm reminded of Dean Martin's quote: "People say I have an alcohol problem. I don't have a problem. I drink, I fall down, I pass out. No problem."

@Ghost of TWOP Past, I share the appreciation of your post. When you write how refreshing it is to see a character whose private life, and possible dysfunctions, we know next to nothing about, I would add it's not the absence of this that matters, it's the positive way it puts the focus on his superb professionalism. That's what's refreshing--seeing a character who is really good at what he does. His professional life defines him, not because he "has no life" outside the office, but because his profession is the most important thing to him. In this, he is really like most people in real life. Most competent people are quite proud of the job they do every day, and don't go around sharing their dysfunctions with every Tom, Dick, and Harry. To watch TV, though, you'd come away thinking real life is just the opposite, since modern day TV elevates incompetence to a virtue. (Perhaps the result is a dysfunctional society in which incompetent people are no longer ashamed of their incompetence.)

[Egg McMuffin]

This is an interesting discussion. We love competence and steadiness because I think it’s relatively rare in real life. I was watching old movie “The Trouble With Angels” the other day, and was admiring the Mother Superior character, played by Rosalind Russell. That character too is competent and steady, stern when she needs to be, but with a warm and compassionate side (and also has a biting wit).

[chessiegal]

11 hours ago, dttruman said:

In the first few seasons of the show, it seemed like everyone was smoking a lot,

Well, back in the 50s and 60s, cigarettes didn't cause cancer. 😉

[dttruman]

18 minutes ago, Egg McMuffin said:

This is an interesting discussion. We love competence and steadiness because I think it’s relatively rare in real life. I was watching old movie “The Trouble With Angels” the other day, and was admiring the Mother Superior character, played by Rosalind Russell. That character too is competent and steady, stern when she needs to be, but with a warm and compassionate side (and also has a biting wit).

There was a great line or series of remarks made by Mother Superior that was profound to me. "But, Mary... oh, Mary has a will of iron. To bend but not to break... to yield but not capitulate... to have pride but also humility. This has always been my struggle, Sister. Can I be less tolerant of Mary than the Church has been of me?". This is from the IMDb about the movie.

2 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

He appeared once in the movies. Never on the original show. The movies, after Raymond Burr passed away, had Mike Connor, Paul Sorvino, and Hal Holbrook. There may have been one more, or Hal appeared twice.

Mike Conners appeared once on the 50's60's tv series when he represented brothers who owned a bowling alley and were being a harassed by a lady called the "Dutchess".

[Maverick]

 Only Sorvino and Holbrook headed the TV movies after Burr's death.  Sorvino did one while Holbrook did the final three. It was a lot like the episodes of the show with the guest lawyers (contrivances as to why the supporting cast was helping the guest lawyer), minus the check ins with Perry at the hospital. 

[dttruman]

On 6/8/2022 at 1:41 AM, Ghost of TWOP Past said:

Lately I have become obsessed with the 50s/60s series. I watch it every night before bed and think about it while I'm not watching it. The thing is, it's Perry himself that fascinates me. I find the plots overly complex and confusing, the acting uneven, and the final reveal is always so formulaic. But Perry glides through life with serene confidence. He is a respected professional and even the police who are his opponents are not his enemies and know he plays a valuable part in the same justice system that they do. Perry is always immaculately polite, even when arguing with the prosecutor in court. Raymond Burr has a nice voice and good diction, and he's pleasant to listen to. Perry is intelligent and well-spoken with a strong vocabulary. He says precisely what he means to say, and no more and no less. His meaning is always clear. Perry does not hurry, is rarely surprised, and never dismayed. He doesn't throw money around but he clearly does not worry about making rent or paying medical bills. His suits are always tidy and he drives a new-ish car. Unlike modern tv characters, Perry is not feuding with an ex-wife nor does he have a substance abuse problem. He's self-employed so his boss is not nagging him or making unreasonable demands. The one time we see him outside of work (at least in the episodes I've seen so far) he spends his free time quietly at home, reading a book on the couch. Perry always knows what to do and is confident that he can do it. In short, I envy Perry's relaxed mastery over his sedate life and find the show soothing to watch. I want Perry Mason's life. 

Just saw an episode of Perry Mason that I thought showed exactly what Perry Mason was really like, besides his extreme loyalty to his clients. It's from the case of the "Misguided Model. Perry mentions that other lawyers don't want to know if their clients are guilty or innocent, they just represent them to the best of their abilities. Where in Perry's case, he wants to seek out the truth no matter how the cards fall or in this case, not see a innocent man go to jail despite

[GHScorpiosRule]

I never realize how STOOPID the cops in the movies were.

In tonight’s “The Case of the Murdered Madam” the cops decide that Tony killed Suzanne because they found those clips that states she was a prostitute/madam. No physical evidence. Tony was the one who called the cops. And Tony only decked the sergeant because he provoked him with that line about how “proud” Suzanne was of him.

And the case was just super sped to a trial while Paul is still investigating trying to find Miranda-another stupid waste of space. Who held onto the tape Suzanne asked her to mail for several days after her murder.

The whole case just seemed to be nothing but stuff about Suzanne’s past and that it was Tony’s gun that was the murder weapon. Where was the proof? No blood on Tony? No mention of fingerprints. The original show did better when there weren’t as many advances!

The best part was Della telling Perry that her short engagement to Tony’s uncle was “a very long time ago” and the final scene “Just you and me.” As Perry hugs Della and she nestles her head against him.

[dttruman]

I watched the case of the Negligent Nymph today and I saw something interesting. The Judge was played by James Nusser and he was also the town drunk on Gunsmoke for a long time. He was a character actor, but I don't know if I was prejudicial because I knew about his character on Gunsmoke, but his character as a judge here just seemed so out of place or unbelievable. In his bio, it mentioned he did have a drinking problem.

[dttruman]

Did anyone catch the Perry Mason episode on MeTV today? It was the Case of the Sun Bather's Diary, and I was watching some old Perry Mason movies from the 1930's earlier. Did anyone notice that this episode of Perry Mason is very similar to the movies because both Perrys seem to sum up the cases and expose the murder at the end? The only difference is Perry (from TV) does it from the witness stand, while the movies Perry does while addressing the judge and the jury.

[peacheslatour]

3 hours ago, dttruman said:

Did anyone catch the Perry Mason episode on MeTV today? It was the Case of the Sun Bather's Diary, and I was watching some old Perry Mason movies from the 1930's earlier. Did anyone notice that this episode of Perry Mason is very similar to the movies because both Perrys seem to sum up the cases and expose the murder at the end? The only difference is Perry (from TV) does it from the witness stand, while the movies Perry does while addressing the judge and the jury.

They're all taken from the Erle Stanley Gardner books.

[dttruman]

5 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

They're all taken from the Erle Stanley Gardner books.

I know that, but some episodes are manipulated a little with just a change or two.

[GHScorpiosRule]

8 hours ago, dttruman said:

Did anyone catch the Perry Mason episode on MeTV today? It was the Case of the Sun Bather's Diary, and I was watching some old Perry Mason movies from the 1930's earlier. Did anyone notice that this episode of Perry Mason is very similar to the movies because both Perrys seem to sum up the cases and expose the murder at the end? The only difference is Perry (from TV) does it from the witness stand, while the movies Perry does while addressing the judge and the jury.

Since I never watched the movies, I can't answer.

5 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

They're all taken from the Erle Stanley Gardner books.

14 minutes ago, dttruman said:

I know that, but some episodes are manipulated a little with just a change or two.

That's true of any adaptation. So I'm not sure what you're asking?

[dttruman]

11 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Since I never watched the movies, I can't answer.

That's true of any adaptation. So I'm not sure what you're asking?

Since the Perry Mason movies from the 1930's are very old, you can probably track them down on Youtube. Shouldn't be too hard to get their titles by Googling them.

But my original point was that this episode more or less followed the format of the original movies (where Perry was played by Warren Williams, Ricado Cortez and so on) except for that little change in the tv episode.

[alvajon]

Tonight I watched the Perry Mason TV movie (#10) “The Case of the Lethal Lesson” on MeTV.  I read on IMDB trivia that this was the first movie without Paul Drake, Jr., but there was no mention or explanation of his leaving the story lines, or at least if so I missed it.  And speaking of Paul Drake, Jr., I don’t recall how he was written into the TV movies to start with.  I’ve watched all the old Perry Mason episodes several times over, and don’t recall Paul Drake ever having a son.  Was this mentioned somewhere along the line, and I missed it? Would appreciate knowing, if anyone knows this, just for my curiosity. Thanks. 

[GHScorpiosRule]

6 hours ago, alvajon said:

Tonight I watched the Perry Mason TV movie (#10) “The Case of the Lethal Lesson” on MeTV.  I read on IMDB trivia that this was the first movie without Paul Drake, Jr., but there was no mention or explanation of his leaving the story lines, or at least if so I missed it.  And speaking of Paul Drake, Jr., I don’t recall how he was written into the TV movies to start with.  I’ve watched all the old Perry Mason episodes several times over, and don’t recall Paul Drake ever having a son.  Was this mentioned somewhere along the line, and I missed it? Would appreciate knowing, if anyone knows this, just for my curiosity. Thanks. 

They never said why Paul left.

And no, original show never had Paul, Jr. It was a retcon for when the movies started. It was 19 years later, and Paul was very much a bachelor on the show. But it’s a believable retcon as it’s possible one of the many women Paul was involved with had his child.

But then again, you have that line from Perry about him knowing Junior “all his life” so there you go.

In real life, William Katt had a pilot or went to do another show that never got picked up. I would have preferred they bring him back as I love the actor. But Junior wasn’t the great detective his father was.

[dttruman]

11 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

In real life, William Katt had a pilot or went to do another show that never got picked up. I would have preferred they bring him back as I love the actor. But Junior wasn’t the great detective his father was.

You forgot to mention the one special reason why William Katt was selected. His mother in real life was Barbara (Della Street) Hale. It just all seemed to fit in perfectly .

[GHScorpiosRule]

2 minutes ago, dttruman said:

You forgot to mention the one special reason why William Katt was selected. His mother in real life was Barbara (Della Street) Hale. It just all seemed to fit in perfectly .

But Dean didn’t know that Katt was Barbara’s son when he told her that they had cast him to play Paul Drake, Jr.

He asked if she knew of him/who he was, and she told him yes-she “used to change his diapers!” That’s a direct quote from the interview that’s on the 25th Anniversary DVD. She then told Dean that Katt was her son.

[dttruman]

11 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

But Dean didn’t know that Katt was Barbara’s son when he told her that they had cast him to play Paul Drake, Jr.

He asked if she knew of him/who he was, and she told him yes-she “used to change his diapers!” That’s a direct quote from the interview that’s on the 25th Anniversary DVD. She then told Dean that Katt was her son.

I don't want to say anything that sounds bad about Dean Hargrove and I don't mean this in the wrong way, but wasn't he always looking over everybody's shoulder. It wasn't that he was being dictatorial, but just making sure everyone was doing their job correctly. He knew who everybody was and what they were suppose to do. That's why he was so successful. What made it even more surprising was that no one had any real complaints about it. I guess he just looked over everybody's shoulder in a nice friendly personable way.