S03.E05: The Return: Part 5

[Pete Martell]

Most of the shows I've seen that try to explain mythology just end up choking themselves on their own continuity (and then forgetting it most of the time and being left exposed for fans to endlessly focus on continuity errors), so I don't really miss that here. 

[jsbt]

I think some things will be explained, and others (like 25 years, I suspect) never will. I frankly never expected that to be. It's just one of those Lynch things.

[Starchild]

22 hours ago, Ottis said:

...watching them all bumble around, week after week, is getting old. 

Not for me.

[Nashville]

20 hours ago, jsbt said:

I think some things will be explained, and others (like 25 years, I suspect) never will. I frankly never expected that to be. It's just one of those Lynch things.

Well... for starters, I wouldn't get too hung up on the specificity of the 25 years. 

For all we know, 25 earth years could be a single year on the alternate-plane planet where the Black Lodge truly resides.

Which could actually explain a lot. 

The earth-BL bridge could be a wormhole in space, and BL Planet only approaches close enough for wormhole access once every local "year" - which is 25 years Earth time.

[kingshearte]

On 6/5/2017 at 7:33 AM, Ottis said:

I cannot get past how people (within the show, who knew him) accept such a low-functioning, weight-loss Dougie.

This is probably what bugs me the most about that plotline. Even a casual observer who comes into only brief contact with this man (the various members of the casino staff, for example) should be able to see that something is very wrong with him. For people who actually know him to just dismiss it as him being deliberately obtuse, or just coming off a bender, or whathaveyou is just completely inexplicable and irritating to me.

[Ottis]

2 hours ago, kingshearte said:

This is probably what bugs me the most about that plotline. Even a casual observer who comes into only brief contact with this man (the various members of the casino staff, for example) should be able to see that something is very wrong with him. For people who actually know him to just dismiss it as him being deliberately obtuse, or just coming off a bender, or whathaveyou is just completely inexplicable and irritating to me.

I know I wrote the post you quoted, and I still feel that way.... however, in a recent episode, after this one. Dougie's boss said Dougie has spells or relapses of some kind. At least they tried to explain. 

[Pete Martell]

1 hour ago, Ottis said:

I know I wrote the post you quoted, and I still feel that way.... however, in a recent episode, after this one. Dougie's boss said Dougie has spells or relapses of some kind. At least they tried to explain. 

He said Dougie has after-effects from a bad car accident. 

[kingshearte]

Yes, I actually had seen the next episode before I wrote that, and you're right, that people's reactions do start to make slightly more sense. However, I'm still maintaining my very dubious opinion of the situation. Someone for whom behaviour like that is normal probably needs a little more support than just being shipped off to work like everything's hunky-dory, and someone for whom this behaviour is not normal should be getting a very different response from people who know him.

[queenanne]

On 6/5/2017 at 8:05 PM, Ottis said:

I loved the original show, and all its quirkiness. I especially liked the red room and the dwarf and how weird that all was. And while I'm not a Lynch fanboy, I have enjoyed a bunch of his work, especially Blue Velvet. However, this new series is not duplicating the fun and accessibility of what went before, for the sheer fact that the original show had a plot that pulled you in: Who killed Laura Palmer, and by the way, what's up with this weird town? This new series hasn't done much of anything but play with Lynchisms. It doesn't even address key questions like, why 25 years? What was supposed to happen during that time? Why do they now change? What is the context for what we are seeing? And what we do see is happening at a glacial pace. I really want it appeal to me, but so far I am hanging on more for potential than anything that has been shown. And not because I don't like weird, don't appreciate it or don't understand it. There just isn't much there there.

Mostly what I have gotten from this series is that everything we saw in 1990 is happening again, just with a new generation. Drugs, sex and murder. Now we just need someone to care about. Dougie doesn't work for me so far, since people in his own life apparently didn't know him well enough to tell when he has been replaced. And Cooper is in there somewhere I guess, but we don't know for sure how much is there or whether we will ever see him. 

IMO, they have lost me on this reboot when Coop goes bye-bye for long chunks of time (any character iteration of Coop is better than none), and with all the "silent Cooper" stretches of time in a row, to the point where I'm not even quite sure why we had episode 3.  I felt like the narrative never started until Gordon showed up to bellow at people in his inimitable manner.  "What happened to Cooper" would have been good anchor and flow, I think, if it had been presented anything near the consistency and repetition of "Who killed Laura Palmer".  

[paramitch]

On 6/5/2017 at 6:50 AM, Giant Misfit said:

Ha! I knew that poster wasn't just some randomly selected piece of art. Good info! Also, one of the commenters on that thread mentioned how this series (movie, what have you) is like a catalog of all things Lynch has ever been interested in/delved into in his past works. I was fortunate enough to have spent one of the best afternoons of my life at his art retrospective called, "The Unified Field." (If I had all the money in the world at my disposal, I would have bought everything.) Anyway, all the surreality of this series (in particular The Evolution of the Arm) has reminded me very much of those magnificent pieces and the darkness and weirdness they asked us to see. The book is available on Amazon but there is nothing that could compare to seeing all his works in person, all at the same time. 

ETA: 

Those two are products of what superior cosmetic surgery and procedures are capable of. They have had fantastic, subtle work done -- and I agree, ridiculously gorgeous. Take note, all Real Housewives.

Actresses have enough criticism to deal with, especially those of or beyond middle age. I don't get the need to call out cosmetic surgery as the reason they're attractive here. I find it really repugnant. They looked fantastic. I don't care how or why (I just hope they didn't hurt themselves to look this good.)

Plenty of the men in this cast have almost certainly benefited from the same regimens or surgical procedures.
Sorry to be ornery but there's absolutely no reason to add in a hidden dig here like ("You look great! nice job with the surgery, old actress!").

What does it matter how? They look gorgeous. Kudos to all. 

[Nashville]

1 hour ago, paramitch said:

Actresses have enough criticism to deal with, especially those of or beyond middle age. I don't get the need to call out cosmetic surgery as the reason they're attractive here. I find it really repugnant. They looked fantastic. I don't care how or why (I just hope they didn't hurt themselves to look this good.)

Plenty of the men in this cast have almost certainly benefited from the same regimens or surgical procedures.
Sorry to be ornery but there's absolutely no reason to add in a hidden dig here like ("You look great! nice job with the surgery, old actress!").

What does it matter how? They look gorgeous. Kudos to all. 

I've been in love with Madchen Amick since April 8, 1990 - and see no reason to not be now.

[Guest]

On 1/6/2018 at 3:26 PM, paramitch said:

Sorry to be ornery but there's absolutely no reason to add in a hidden dig here like ("You look great! nice job with the surgery, old actress!").

 

 

It wasn't a dig, hidden or otherwise. They've had surgeries and/or cosmetic procedures that make them look terrific. But, it's also obvious they've had something done. 

As for the men on the show, none seemed to me to have had any (good or bad) work done. Maybe it was suggested to Carel Struycken but he was all 

[kokapetl]

Kyle McLachlan’s neck is not natural for a 55+ man. He’s had work done. 

[Nashville]

30 minutes ago, Kokapetl said:

Kyle McLachlan’s neck is not natural for a 55+ man. He’s had work done. 

 

 

 

Edited January 10, 2018 by Nashville
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