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S04.E07: The Antisocialism of Sex

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Ailianna

Ailianna

1 hour ago, dampfire said:

But Duko seems to be orchestrating the whole thing (although exactly how a "union steward" has this much sway is a little befuddling). 

He's not a "union steward"--I'm not exactly sure what that is. He is a PBA rep--as in, the legal assistance for a police officer who is in any kind of trouble with the department, from paperwork issues through any kind of criminal investigation, and is also a police officer.  He appears to be a fairly high-ranking detective, based upon all of his appearances and the interactions.  So, pretty easy to put together the raid, if one is inclined to believe that police do such things, which this show clearly is.

On the cell phone issue, I agree with damphair that he was able to see a lot since he was jonny-on-the-spot for the shooting.  Plus he was Beth's PBA aid, so he would know all the details from that end.

shapeshifter

shapeshifter

4 hours ago, kat165 said:

Ailiana, that's a great idea about the possibility of Rachel's eye being hacked by Evie & her cohorts/team.

I'm still thinking the image has a steganographic code hidden in it--maybe somehow by Delphine. Maybe Rachel will die and Cosima and Scott will find all kinds of hidden clues in her prosethic eye. Sorry if that's too weird.

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maddie965

maddie965

8 hours ago, Mabinogia said:

This season feels the most like season 1 and that makes me very, very happy. I love that we've kind of gone back to the beginning.

THIS. That's the reason I love this season so much. And this is by far my favorite episode of the season. See, when it comes to OB, I don't care much about plot. Mainly because I don't think this show does plot well. It's all confusing and convoluted. Till this day I don't know the difference between Topside, Dyad and Neolution - and I don't really care. What are clones for? No idea. But give me a lot of character study, angst and drama, and I'm all in. I love the sestras. I love Tatiana. She is the show to me.

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dampfire

dampfire

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4 hours ago, Ailianna said:

He's not a "union steward"--I'm not exactly sure what that is. He is a PBA rep--as in, the legal assistance for a police officer who is in any kind of trouble with the department, from paperwork issues through any kind of criminal investigation, and is also a police officer.  He appears to be a fairly high-ranking detective, based upon all of his appearances and the interactions.  So, pretty easy to put together the raid, if one is inclined to believe that police do such things, which this show clearly is.

On the cell phone issue, I agree with damphair that he was able to see a lot since he was jonny-on-the-spot for the shooting.  Plus he was Beth's PBA aid, so he would know all the details from that end.

Okay.  Duko may be a PDA rep.  I don't know.  I'm mostly going by what Art said this ep:

 

SIOBHAN: Cosima said the man who pulled the trigger was tall, bearded. She thought maybe the detective you tied to Beth.

ART: Martin Duko. Beth's union steward.

 

Additionally, in 401, the lieutenant told Beth after the Maggie Chen shooting:

 

MIKE: They'll take you down now to get your statement. This is Detective Duko. He's with the union.

 

Yes, Duko is a detective.  And as such, he no doubt has "police" duties above and beyond anything he does for the union.  And (although he's not referred to as a lieutenant or a captain or anything higher than that) perhaps he is a "detective" of a slightly higher rank.  Just seemed a little odd (but hardly impossible) to me that Duko would be the one in the position to order the Slumber Party Raid.  The case belongs to Lindstein and Collier.  Who are both detectives too.  Sure, Duko might be their direct superior in some way, but that would seem pretty coincidental to me.  I'm thinking more along the lines that Duko nudged Lindstein and Collier along, that he fed them some scale-tipping information that prompted the bust.  Duko did seem to sort come slinking in at the end -- like he'd been along for the ride, rather than heading up the operation -- to get all creepy and ominous with Alison after the general chaos was beginning to subside.  Very much reminded me of the time Paul came strolling into Felix's loft (to frame him for Tom-the-Cop's murder) when the cops were executing their trumped up search warrant.

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angora

angora

It doesn't really bother me that Felix 1) hadn't already told everyone about Delphine and 2) didn't have Scott tell Cosima.  Given the tragic news he came home to about Kendall's death, I can easily buy that that trumped everything else, particularly because of how much it affected his immediate family of S and Sarah.  And as for Scott, while I definitely side eye there being no, "Talk to Felix - it's about Delphine!!" line, I can understand Felix feeling like he needed to relay that news himself.  After all, they DON'T know for sure that Delphine is still alive, and it would be horrible if they told Cosima she was and it turned out she wasn't.  As such, it makes sense that he would want to give her the exact details of what Krystal said, to provide hope without promising anything he couldn't guarantee, and it would've been tougher to give Scott those details with the certainty that he'd relay them to Cosima (in this high-pressure situation) exactly as Krystal had given them.

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MissLucas

MissLucas

7 hours ago, maddie965 said:

 Till this day I don't know the difference between Topside, Dyad and Neolution - and I don't really care. What are clones for? No idea.

That's actually the one thing I really liked about this episode - that they finally provided some background history for all those organizations and how they are connected by introducing Percy Westmoreland.* The lack of history and origin for all those freaks has always bothered me. Not that it explained everything but at least we got some answers.

*Since he was a Victorian industrialist with tons of money I wonder if he managed to snag a peerage like many other influential persons of the age - if he became Earl of Sussex Ferdinand would be related directly to the founding father of all the crazy. (Just ignore history - the last Earl of Sussex died 1943 anyway.)

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kat165

kat165

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Cranberry, that's an even more intriguing supposition, about MK hacking Rachel's eye.

Thank you, Dampfire. I seem to have a mential block when it comes to Evie. I haven't liked her from her first appearance. I'm also impressed that you can remember all these names. :) Dr. Van Lier reminds me of Dr. Nealon which is probably why I automatically suspect him.

I hadn't considered Donnie's arrest having been arranged by Duko. Makes sense. And yes, how does he have all this power as a union steward? It makes no sense that Alison also wouldn't be arrested. It's her store they "allegedly" were dealing out of.

And if he is, why is he doing so? Evie has said that clones are of no importance now. They're not going for another Helsinki, they're just going to let them go. Except for Sarah and her gang, but we weren't clued into what plans, if any, Evie has for them. So is Duko acting on his own? Why does he need to illustrate to them Neolution's reach/influence? If Neolution no longer cares about them. Your explanation about why Duko didn't have Alison arrested makes sense, but I don't get why he even cares at this point. Unless it's his own personal vendetta.

I hope I'm not coming off as argumentative which isn't my intention. Your analysis is spot on & is giving me a lot to think about. Thanks!

I can see him hanging back and overhearing their conversation. Just cause we didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen. Thanks for the clue.

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Valny

Valny

I think I almost got a little teary eyed when Alison broke down while trying to finish her condolence card to Siobhan. Tatiana played that short scene so well, she is so believable with the emotional tears. But that's nothing new for us to see. She better get an Emmy nomination this year damn it! She's doing top notch work this season, as usual.

 Donnie was being very sweet and supportive with Alison throughout the day. Loved his scary storytelling with the kids.

A big FU to Evie when she snarkily says to Rachel, "cat got your tongue? as Rachel struggled to get her words out.  That reminded me of the episode of Buffy, Who Are You, where Faith makes fun of Tara's stutter. Remember that scene you Buffy watchers?

Fashion sidenote- I loved Evie's  sleeveless white and black blouse. Want.
 

MVP for me was also Felix, he handled his "multiple emergencies" quite well.  It felt like Season one Felix.  And he was great with Kira too.

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Mabinogia

Mabinogia

37 minutes ago, Valny said:

I think I almost got a little teary eyed when Alison broke down while trying to finish her condolence card to Siobhan. Tatiana played that short scene so well, she is so believable with the emotional tears.

For just a moment I was thinking you were mistaken. Tatiana plays Sarah not Alison. Then I went "oh, right, they are played by the same person". I really do forget sometimes that she plays half the characters on the show.

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Isazouzi

Isazouzi

9 hours ago, Cranberry said:

I still forget all the time. I find myself thinking, "The actress who plays Alison hasn't gotten much to do lately" most often... for some reason, Alison and Cosima feel the most "not Tatiana" to me. And I'm still surprised every time the cast does an event and only the actress who plays Sarah shows up. It's been four years.

So true. I almost refuse to believe that Cosima and Alison are also played by Tatiana. Stop telling me it's the same actress, it can't be true!

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