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So I have been listening to the Office Ladies podcast about the US version of the office. The last episode was about Office Olympics, and they explained that it was something that they actually used to do in the King of the Hill writers room. And the funniest part was how apparently Church Mangione one time flew out to LA on his own dime to play music for the KotH office Olympics opening ceremonies.

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On 1/28/2016 at 12:09 PM, funky-rat said:

Yeah man, I tell ya what, man, that dang ol' internet, man, you just go in on there and point and click, talk about w-w-dot-w-com, mean you got the naked chicks on there, man, just go click, click, click, click, click, it's real easy, man.

Have you seen the episode where Boomhauer is telling his version of events when the fire station burns down?  And Boomhauer talks normal while everybody else talks like Boomhauer?

 

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On 1/3/2020 at 2:24 PM, TheLastKidPicked said:

Have you seen the episode where Boomhauer is telling his version of events when the fire station burns down?  And Boomhauer talks normal while everybody else talks like Boomhauer?

 

That was such an eye opening to the character. That it's not how "he talks" but how he hears everyone else. Though to this day, how the hell Dale ended up the way he did when you see his parents both in flashback and later on when he finds out his father is gay. You just want to go: "Where the hell did his view on life come from?" I mean, you get Hank, he wanted to be more traditional and more like his mother than Cotton. Bill just never recovered from his divorce. Boomhauer went on his own accord, but never got over his "fun life style". For Dale, who the hell knows. 

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5 hours ago, readster said:

Though to this day, how the hell Dale ended up the way he did when you see his parents both in flashback and later on when he finds out his father is gay. You just want to go: "Where the hell did his view on life come from?"

Funny that Dale's father has the name "Bug Gribble" and Dale's job is exterminating bugs.

I wonder if that has a deeper meaning.

 

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7 hours ago, readster said:

Boomhauer went on his own accord, but never got over his "fun life style". 

Wasn't Boomhauer's dad a doctor? I am not sure if there was any actual backstory I think there was just some comment from Peggy about "Doctor Boomhauer".

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So I have been watching my season 1 dvds (which I don't think I have watched before), and watching almost the whole season in order it is almost shocking how good this show was right out of the gate. It is super funny, the characters are well defined, the animation is solid and even the voice acting is good and consistent with what I remember from later seasons. Plus I can't believe how many classic episodes come from that first season.

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10 hours ago, Kel Varnsen said:

So I have been watching my season 1 dvds (which I don't think I have watched before), and watching almost the whole season in order it is almost shocking how good this show was right out of the gate. It is super funny, the characters are well defined, the animation is solid and even the voice acting is good and consistent with what I remember from later seasons. Plus I can't believe how many classic episodes come from that first season.

True and around season 2, they really figured out the voices of the characters too. They moved from Bobby "that boy isn't right" to Bobby is just comfortable with who he is, but sadly is naive about life, because well duh he is 12 going on 13, which he does by the end of the series is almost 14 and confirmed since the she did at times, let the characters age. The problem was, around season 8 is when you started seeing the classic: "The show has been on a while and now we are going to start being extreme with character traits." I mean you had moments where Peggy would counteract herself 5 minutes after she tried to be the "better person". Dale got more crazy and don't get me started on Khan and Min in that: "Let's break into the Hills house and mess things up." Plus, Fox honestly just kept renewing the show after season 10 because they had nothing else to replace it with and why the show kept spinning with old episodes that laid on the shelf for almost 5 years and ended up "forgetting" important plot points. Hell, Cotton died and magically returned because they finally aired Lucky and Luanne getting married, just to magically flashforward and she finally had the baby. I remember Mike Judge saying that Fox finally told him season 13 was going to be it due to ratings getting to the point The Simpsons and Family guy were doing better than them and by that point The Simpson was on almost 20 years. 

  It's just sad how many of actors including Tom Petty are no longer with us. 

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What is crazy is that looking at how good this show was in the first season and then comparing it to other Greg Daniels shows. The Office took awhile to really find itself, the first season of Parks and Rec was rough (and not the show it became). And the first seasons of Space Force and Upload don't really grab me, to the point where I would rather watch DVDs of King of the Hill than finish the seasons of either of those. So what changed? Is it because none of those shows had Stephen Root? Although that could be just my opinion based on watching a lot of NewsRadio lately. 

But back to King of the Hill, whoever wrote all those awesome beauty school jokes deserves a ton or money and awards. Luanne's lines about her homework and such are hilarious.

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13 hours ago, Kel Varnsen said:

 

But back to King of the Hill, whoever wrote all those awesome beauty school jokes deserves a ton or money and awards. Luanne's lines about her homework and such are hilarious.

No kidding and my cousin who went to cosmetology school said it was spot on at times even though the show showed up 5 years before she was born. Something I think that really caused problems was they wanted to do something different with Luanne and even Brittany Murphy wanted more for the characters. However, leading her to go to community college with no drive for 3 years (admitted four times on the show) and then marrying Lucky after getting knocked up by him. Isn't where I think they had envisioned. 

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9 hours ago, readster said:

No kidding and my cousin who went to cosmetology school said it was spot on at times even though the show showed up 5 years before she was born. 

Did she have to practice doing braids using three ropes hanging from a wooden frame? I am not sure which beauty school jokes is my favourite, the one where Luanne failed the hair washing test because even though she passed lather she failed rinse and that caused her to fail repeat, or the joke practice questions about the woman holding a nail file on a train going 80 miles an hour.

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On 9/4/2020 at 6:09 PM, readster said:

Dale got more crazy and don't get me started on Khan and Min in that: "Let's break into the Hills house and mess things up."

Kahn and Min had the greatest character introduction of all time, if you really understand the way that a Texan (or most well meaning Southerners) process ideas about people who don't look like them.

Hank:  So, are you Chinese or Japanese?

Kahn:  I live in California for the last 20 years, but first come from Laos.

Hank:  Huh?

Kahn:  Laos.  We are Laotian.  It is a landlocked country in southeast Asia.  Between Vietnam and Thailand.  Population 4.7 million.

Hank  (Thinks about this for a minute):  So. . . are you Chinese or Japanese?

 

 

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On 9/15/2020 at 4:05 PM, TheLastKidPicked said:

Kahn and Min had the greatest character introduction of all time, if you really understand the way that a Texan (or most well meaning Southerners) process ideas about people who don't look like them.

Kahn is a great character. It is kind of subtle but I like how he has a tiny bit of respect for Hank (and is almost his friend) but he has zero respect and kind of hates Dale. I watched the episode where the kids are stuck in the cave and Hank and Kahn try to rescue them. Kahn's line about how all hopes for survival are pinned on Dale Gribble is hilarious.

Speaking of subtle right now I am watching the episode where Cotton loses his driver's license. He is staying at the Gribble house and Nancy says she has to take Joseph to school. You never see where she goes but you can faintly hear "Hot Blooded" playing in the background.

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On 9/7/2020 at 7:29 PM, Kel Varnsen said:

I am not sure which beauty school jokes is my favourite, the one where Luanne failed the hair washing test because even though she passed lather she failed rinse and that caused her to fail repeat, or the joke practice questions about the woman holding a nail file on a train going 80 miles an hour.

 

14 hours ago, Kel Varnsen said:

Speaking of subtle right now I am watching the episode where Cotton loses his driver's license. He is staying at the Gribble house and Nancy says she has to take Joseph to school. You never see where she goes but you can faintly hear "Hot Blooded" playing in the background.

And these subtle jokes are why you can't just have this show on in the background while you do chores.  You have to really watch or you'll miss many of the little things.

 

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54 minutes ago, TheLastKidPicked said:

 

And these subtle jokes are why you can't just have this show on in the background while you do chores.  You have to really watch or you'll miss many of the little things.

 

What amazes me about the Hot Blooded joke is they actually paid the licensing rights for that song for a background John Redcorn joke that probably wouldn't even register for a lot of people.

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3 hours ago, Kel Varnsen said:

What amazes me about the Hot Blooded joke is they actually paid the licensing rights for that song for a background John Redcorn joke that probably wouldn't even register for a lot of people.

To this day, every time I hear "Hot Blooded" I think of John Redcorn pulling up in his Jeep.

 

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So I finished my season 2 dvd. The last episode possibly has my favourite Boomhauer joke with "Dang..... Old......Megalo....Mart" after the 911 operator tells him to slow down. It got me thinking though does anyone know if the writers would actually script exactly what Boomhauer would say. Or would they tell Mike Judge to talk like Boomhauer for 30 seconds about the internet or Seinfeld and let him just improvise it?

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12 hours ago, Kel Varnsen said:

So I finished my season 2 dvd. The last episode possibly has my favourite Boomhauer joke with "Dang..... Old......Megalo....Mart" after the 911 operator tells him to slow down. It got me thinking though does anyone know if the writers would actually script exactly what Boomhauer would say. Or would they tell Mike Judge to talk like Boomhauer for 30 seconds about the internet or Seinfeld and let him just improvise it?

You do have to wonder, I mean the point they established a few years later was that actually, Boomhauer talks normally, but he hears everyone else in the talk. When they had Boomhauer talk about how the firehouse got burned down and he talks completely NORMAL for three minutes. Though showing his parents and his brother talk just like him. Let his dad was a doctor, his mother was a teacher and he was a Texas Ranger. 

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Revival?

I'd be okay if they actually aged everyone 15 years. Interested to see the teens all grown up. I just hope they have Luanne being personal stylist for Taylor Swift or something as the reason she's not around and not have her be killed off. 

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4 hours ago, xander874 said:

Revival?

I'd be okay if they actually aged everyone 15 years. Interested to see the teens all grown up. I just hope they have Luanne being personal stylist for Taylor Swift or something as the reason she's not around and not have her be killed off. 

I have been rewatching the show and I am not sure I could handle a grown up Bobby.

As for Luanne, with both Brittany Murphy and Tom Petty being dead I am not sure the best way to handle those characters.

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So for the longest time I thought that Torch Song Hillogy was my favourite episode. But I got the season 4 DVD set for my birthday and I think A Beer Can Named Desire might be my favourite. It is hilarious and has so much going on. Bobby being a southern dandy will never fail to make me laugh.

Although to be fair it has been years since I have seen Torch Song Hillogy so I think I would have to see it again to really make a final decision.

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Started watching this series for a while now; finished episode 8 earlier, Shins of the Father. Cotton would fit right in over at Mad Men.

I quite enjoyed this series so far. Definitely more subtle in its humor than the other adult animation counterparts like Rick & Morty or even Mike Judge's older series, Beavis and Butthead, and I do find appeal in subtle humor like this, not gonna lie. There's a lot of American culture that's probably better understood if you're an American, but I grew up with enough American media to get what the joke is most of the time.

One thing I do like is how down-to-earth Hank is instead of being your typical mean-spirited comedy type like Homer Simpson or Rick Sanchez. There's a very naturalistic feel in this series, portraying the typical southern American family without the typical cheap jokes of racism you'd get with the package. Most of the race-related jokes are very subversive and clever, which is the kind of humor I enjoy the most. Hank didn't dislike Khan because of his race, but that doesn't mean Khan was being an asshat.

Similarly, even if Cotton's a war veteran worth respecting for his heroism, it's pretty clear he's been using his shins as an excuse to get away with all his dated ideals about women. Good on Hank for standing up for good ol' Peggy, the latter of whom also delivered a nice speech at the end of this ep.

I do worry that Bobby would get the wrong idea about women though down the road; he seems like a very impressionable child, as evident from this episode.

Shame that they did Luanne dirty though. I read that she loses her mechanical prowess down the line and became more of a dim-witted dumb blonde.

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So for this year's birthday I got the season 5 and 6 dvds. My kids were super excited to finally see Bobby Goes Nuts after seeing YouTube clips for a long time 

But I have also been working my way through season 5 and a couple nights ago watched the one where Bobby becomes the Longhorn. It might not be my least favourite episode but it is probably my least favourite Bobby one. The whole idea of adults, including school officials supporting a kid getting beat up seems so weird. Although I had to wonder if this was based on a real thing. Since so many other episodes were grounded in real life and real Texas stuff.

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On 4/11/2022 at 10:29 AM, Kel Varnsen said:

So for this year's birthday I got the season 5 and 6 dvds. My kids were super excited to finally see Bobby Goes Nuts after seeing YouTube clips for a long time 

But I have also been working my way through season 5 and a couple nights ago watched the one where Bobby becomes the Longhorn. It might not be my least favourite episode but it is probably my least favourite Bobby one. The whole idea of adults, including school officials supporting a kid getting beat up seems so weird. Although I had to wonder if this was based on a real thing. Since so many other episodes were grounded in real life and real Texas stuff.

Oh I agree, I was in the same boat when the episode originally aired. Not to mention the fact, people were so disappointed that Bobby wasn't getting trampled. I mean what? Plus, the entire stealing the rival team's mascot. Which is really a crime. I remember a classic episode of Full House when Danny and Joey tried to steal "back" their Greek Houses item that was stolen years ago by a Sorority. They not only stop him, one of the woman pulls out a badge and arrests them for taking it. Both Bob Saget and Dave Colie and critics went: "Wait! They stole it over a decade ago and this woman is going: 'stealing is bad when you get caught'." When A: They stole it first. B. That is a crime to steal from another house. C. The Sorority then blames them for stealing something that wasn't theirs to begin with. That's the classic: "Why do you make me hit you?" 

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So my city is in the middle of a municipal election and I found out this weekend that in my ward there is Robert Hill running for city councilor. He has a sign on the corner by my house and I laugh every time I see it. I almost want to find his campaign social media and ask him where he stands on the issue of fruit pies.

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The Final Shinsult

Ugh, Cotton grinds my gears everytime I see him. I don't know what it is about him that infuriates me more than most antagonists in other TV series, but I guess it might have something to do with my similar history with my own late father who wasn't exactly father of the year either. Ironically, that line about how Hank should've drowned himself two days after he was born was the one that got to me the most in this episode, even though he's said far more ridiculous things, not to mention sexually harassing a female officer. Christ, Cotton would never survive #MeToo.

And Hank's enabling him. Maybe it's because I never understood the value of filial piety even as a Chinese, but Hank's tolerance of Cotton's deplorable actions has always infuriated me. Sure, Dale's the one who became Cotton's partner in crime, but Dale's gonna Dale and do his thing of having half a brain, but Hank always had his proper judgment impaired even though he could be a better man when he doesn't have his head up his butt.

That said, I could somewhat understand his resentment towards the return of the prosthetic leg, at least in regards to his pride as a war hero. The kicker, of course, is that Cotton was obviously not even involved in the original conflict with General Santa Anna. That's another thing I could never come to agree with: blind patriotism. Though in Cotton's case, I feel that it's probably not really about patriotism so much as being a jerk about it, but it's probably a mix of both, as Cotton proves to be just as layered a character by the end of this episode as the rest of the cast when his vulnerability surfaced after he's sent to the veteran's psychiatric hospital.

In regards to the rest of season 2, I'm enjoying the series thus far, though I feel bad for Luanne because 1) she deserves way better than what the Hills provided for her, taking her for granted in some cases even, and 2) I couldn't help but think of Brittany Murphy everytime she appears... so that's fun. Sigh.

Also, Peggy shows her ugly side this season with "I Remember Mono" and "Hank's Dirty Laundry" when she became unreasonably paranoid, delusional and jealous of Hank, showing her lack of trust in her own husband (I love that Hank stood his ground to defend his innocence in not being involved with pornography). I like that she was supportive of Luanne is "Meet the Manger Babies" though, and how she tried to fight the toxic masculinity in "Bobby Slam" (even if she ended up being torn between her priorities as a mother and the feminist in her).

I also noticed a trend around the plotlines of the show: Hank believes in a dated value, he comes to a compromise and change that belief for the sake of his family, he learns a lesson by the end. It doesn't occur often enough, thankfully, to be a trend, but it is often enough that it feels tropey, so I hope this recurring structure doesn't pop up too often. Also, I dislike "Husky Bobby" because Hank's position ended up being justified in that episode even though Bobby's body-positivity should've been the one that's justified. Ah well.

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On 11/25/2022 at 5:41 PM, MagnusHex said:

Ugh, Cotton grinds my gears everytime I see him. I don't know what it is about him that infuriates me more than most antagonists in other TV series. . .

He's said far more ridiculous things, not to mention sexually harassing a female officer. Christ, Cotton would never survive #MeToo.

I think the reason Cotton rubs the wrong way is that we know he will never be redeemed.  Cotton will never change.

Years ago, people would explain his behavior by saying,  "He's a product of his time."  Or, "That's just the way he was brought up."

Thanks to the MeToo movement, there is a voice for people to say,  "That is no excuse, and we are not putting up with it any more."

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On 4/11/2022 at 9:29 AM, Kel Varnsen said:

But I have also been working my way through season 5 and a couple nights ago watched the one where Bobby becomes the Longhorn. It might not be my least favourite episode but it is probably my least favourite Bobby one. The whole idea of adults, including school officials supporting a kid getting beat up seems so weird. Although I had to wonder if this was based on a real thing. Since so many other episodes were grounded in real life and real Texas stuff.

On 4/15/2022 at 7:03 AM, readster said:

Oh I agree, I was in the same boat when the episode originally aired. Not to mention the fact, people were so disappointed that Bobby wasn't getting trampled. I mean what?

I can tell you that this was definitely grounded in reality.  Back when the episode was aired, Texas football was king.  Football players were top of the totem pole, and all others, including the school mascot, were there for the amusement of the players and the amusement of the spectators.

I'm proud to say that we have changed things since then.  Anti-bullying efforts have shown us the error of our ways and these incidents are fewer and fewer between.

But yes, at the time of the original episode, this was happening all over Texas.

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On 11/25/2022 at 7:41 PM, MagnusHex said:

Cotton would never survive #MeToo.

How do you figure? I mean Cotton is terrible but it's not like he is someone's boss. I feel like even today a terrible person his age could probably get away with a lot of what he says and does. And if people were to call him on it he would either play the disabled war hero card or the confused (possibly senile) old man card. So I am not sure how he would face any kind of repercussions.

I also watched the episode where the Hill's go to Montana to Peggy's family ranch and it is interesting that Peggy also has one pretty crappy parent. Although that episode is also extra funny since everything I have ever read or heard has told me that Henry Winkler is one of the nicest people in Hollywood.

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14 hours ago, Kel Varnsen said:

How do you figure? I mean Cotton is terrible but it's not like he is someone's boss. I feel like even today a terrible person his age could probably get away with a lot of what he says and does. And if people were to call him on it he would either play the disabled war hero card or the confused (possibly senile) old man card. So I am not sure how he would face any kind of repercussions.

I kinda doubt that. Even the mildest of sexual harassments get called out today in 2022, partly thanks to Twitter's knee-jerk reactions. It's just a theory anyway, since I don't really know first-hand any veteran that got called out.

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1 hour ago, MagnusHex said:

I kinda doubt that. Even the mildest of sexual harassments get called out today in 2022, partly thanks to Twitter's knee-jerk reactions. It's just a theory anyway, since I don't really know first-hand any veteran that got called out.

I am pretty sure that Cotton would not care at all about getting called out on Twitter, considering that people called out his bad behavior to his face and it did nothing. And besides getting called out, I am pretty sure today nothing would happen to someone like Cotton.

Now Buck Strickland there is a guy whose behavior would cause him a lot of problems.

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37 minutes ago, Kel Varnsen said:

I am pretty sure that Cotton would not care at all about getting called out on Twitter, considering that people called out his bad behavior to his face and it did nothing. And besides getting called out, I am pretty sure today nothing would happen to someone like Cotton.

That's true, considering Bill Burr still has a career. OOPS.

Jokes aside though, tapping a policewoman on the butt is a little different than making "problematic" remarks about women. Directors have their careers canceled because of merely being verbally abusive towards women. Hello, Joss Whedon, you fake feminist you. And let's not even begin with Johnny Depp's ALLEGED domestic violence towards and Amber Heard, resulting in him being boycotted by Hollywood forever.

I don't know. It's a disproportionate comparison because I'm comparing celebrities with war veterans here, but I'm guessing (or at least I'm hoping) that the military has progressed enough in our age to punish one of their own.

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Peggy's Turtle Song

A few people at the KotH Fandom wiki hated this episode, with one calling the writers of this one pathetic. I thought it was a pretty well-written, clever and subversive take on radical feminists, and it has certainly aged like fine wine in our modern world where the line between gender equality and gender superiority is getting thinner everyday. Hank being his usual tone-deaf sexist is nothing new here, and it's definitely not out-of-character for him to be that ardent about traditional family values (before coming to a more sympathetic compromise by the end of the episode). That's essentially the show and what Hank does many episodes for these past two seasons, so I don't see why people were getting all wound up about it.

My only criticism is that it probably delivered its point a bit too subtly, thus leading to those people confused whether this was written to be an intentionally sexist episode or what.

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I watched Blood and Sauce tonight. It's a good episode, especially for such a late season episode. I especially like that it is basically a sequel toy favourite episode A Beer can Named Desire. The weird thing though is how much Hank loves Bill's BBQ, saying the ribs are the best thing he ever tasted. But those ribs are basically the opposite of "taste the meat not the heat".

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11 minutes ago, Egg McMuffin said:

I’ve read that the proposed revival will take place 15 years after the finale. So Bobby will be a young adult in the new series, for example.

If it is 15 years after the finale Bobby will be more than a young adult, he will be close to 30.

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On 1/11/2023 at 9:07 PM, Kel Varnsen said:

If it is 15 years after the finale Bobby will be more than a young adult, he will be close to 30.

I wonder what would happen with Luann. If they'd get someone else to voice the character or decide to go in another direction.

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On 1/14/2023 at 7:29 PM, Jaded said:

I wonder what would happen with Luann. If they'd get someone else to voice the character or decide to go in another direction.

I'd be happy if we found out that Luann and Lucky had moved off to some other area to start a new life. No need in trying to reboot the characters since Brittany Murphy and Tom Petty have both passed on. 

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I hope they just say Luanne and Lucky moved away, like the Manger Babies became a hit across Texas or something and they moved to a bigger city. Because Brittany Murphy was pretty much perfect in that role and even Tom Petty made Lucky way better than he might have been otherwise. 

Plus I imagine they are already going to have to recast Kahn so recasting another main character would be annoying. What I am really curious about is if Breckin Meyer would still play Joseph. Because while Joseph is obviously mixed race, he thinks he is a white person.

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I wonder if Mike Judge would just say fuck it and get Toby Huss back as Kahn. Because I do like his delivery of the redneck insults to the rest of the characters. I also think Toby Huss is a great actor and with Cotton dead it would be a disappointment if he didn't come back in some role.

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23 hours ago, Kel Varnsen said:

I wonder if Mike Judge would just say fuck it and get Toby Huss back as Kahn.

Since Hulu is owned by Disney, I doubt that would be the case.  So Kahn is an issue, plus LuAnne and Lucky are out (probably) since the people voicing them have passed.  I guess the show is going to look different no matter whut.  

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It's weird. Making sure you have a diverse cast is certainly important, but in an animated show having a diverse voice cast and having a diverse cast of characters shouldn't necessarily be the same thing. So it should make just as much sense for a white actor to play Khan as it would an Asian actor to play Dale Gribble.

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On 2/6/2023 at 1:24 PM, Kel Varnsen said:

It's weird. Making sure you have a diverse cast is certainly important, but in an animated show having a diverse voice cast and having a diverse cast of characters shouldn't necessarily be the same thing. So it should make just as much sense for a white actor to play Khan as it would an Asian actor to play Dale Gribble.

And as long as that Asian voice actor could sound like Dale, that should be enough. 

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