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And the hits just keep on coming. This is from Mediaite, it hits the same points as the CNN piece, but also has some great comments about how stupid this whole thing has become. 

If they were hounded by Trump, everyone would come to their aid. Ratings would soar, and other media outlets would defend them.  They don't believe in freedom of the press anymore? So much so that they've sold their soul to the devil for access? 

So the meeting, the immediate blowback, and now the ridiculous excuses, which change by the day. 

https://www.mediaite.com/opinion/joe-and-mikas-fears-of-retribution-as-motivation-for-trump-meeting-feels-a-lot-like-clean-up-on-aisle-mar-a-lago/

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WTH? Could Mika have been more rude this morning? I mean, her default setting is “stick up the ass,” but her attempts to be funny (?) with Heilemann at the beginning of the show were cringe. Her hybrid  “one of the boys meets school marm” schtick doesn’t work, but she’s too arrogant to take a step back and read the room. 

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Ed Luce is on now in the 6 am rerun, and they're bashing the Cabinet picks. 

Mika has her "stick up the ass" look dialed up to 11. Add sipping coffee thru a straw. 

Next up, Comcast selling off MSNBC.  Maybe Bezos will buy these spin offs and add them to Prime. He's trying to build a news channel, the experiment with the Brian Williams election coverage supposedly went pretty well. 

Joe is so flustered he can't even get the word "consolidate" right.  They think they have a year before the sale will go thru.. But it's obvious they're shitting their pants at the outcome of this.  

You know what makes MSNBC more attractive, Joe? Cancelling Morning Joe, paying off your buy out clause.  Then prospective buyers can look at the channel as more profitable, without your bloated salaries and disappearing ratings. 

Win/Win!!!   Win for the buyer. Win for the viewers. 

Not so much for you and the Mrs.   Next time, think thru your boneheaded ideas, and come up with better cover stories than  1. We want to re set the conversation; 2. We are here to report on the new Admin; 3. Oh shit we better make up with him before he throws us in jail; and just go straight to 4. Fuck it, we're out of a job in a year anyway, let's burn this m-fer down!! 

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8 hours ago, SeanBug said:

Maybe Bezos will buy these spin offs and add them to Prime

Did Mika ever have her own special interest show on Peacock?  Did that ever become a thing?
An app isn't a good way to view the news.  It's probably the worst use case for app media.  
Joe should call it a career on his network "celebrity" status and start a podcast about Morning Joe.  Dana Carvey and David Spade have one for SNL,  It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia guys had it for their show.  If he could snark and gossip and spill the tea on behind the scene stuff and guests/hosts... that could work. 
I'd prefer a disgruntled long time producer write a tell all, though.  I guarantee there are endless Mika stories... 100% she was an ogre to underlings, a kitten to superiors, a nuisance to professional journos, and very naughty in the shadows.

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Mika is rude to everyone on the show if they're not talking about her precious KYV or politics, politics, politics.  She becomes a total bitch if any of the guys discuss sports or social media and starts sipping coffee and fiddling around with anything in sight on her desk as a distraction.  I'd gain a whole new respect for any of the guys (including Joe) if they just told her to shut up.  Also, it didn't take long for Joe to delete all the negative messages on his Twitter page from a day or so ago on meeting with Trump.  It's the same on You Tube's MSNBC page.  I can't find any of the messages from a day ago .

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Wednesday mini recap. Mika wore a violet Star Wars wrap. Joe bought a new tie.

Joe said his show is popular on Armed Forces radio & YouTube. Mika told Heilmain to be on time for his segment.

Barnicle was left in the waiting room. Joe brought him to the table.

Heilman talked about albums in 1976. It was the Bicentennial.

Ed Luce brought gravitas. He doesn't know Captain & Tenille.

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Mika has a Know Your Value clipboard. Asking Heilemann to shut up is rude.

Will Mika give up her penthouse at Comcast ?

Joe is worried about being fired in a year.

Joe likes to scale up cable channels.

Willie admitted people are cutting the cord.

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James Stravidis said that using the Atacms in Russia will have an impact on the country.

It's a smart play & will give Zelensky chips for future bargaining with Russia.

Stravidis wished Ukraine had the weapons earlier. Putin has not launched nuclear weapons at Ukraine yet.

The goal is to get as many weapons to Ukraine before January 20th.

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Stravidis said 600K Russians left Russia.

Mika loves the Bristol hotel in old Warsaw.

I still watch this show for guests like Stravidis. He provides an excellent analysis of global affairs.

The money spent on Ukraine is destroying Russia's military & helping US defense contractors.

Russia will suffer for a generation.

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I heard a bit of the interview this morning with Saad Mohseni who wrote the book about Radio Free Afghanistan. He was discussing the Taliban and how women were affected and I heard Mika make some noise, a sigh of agreement or whatever. 

All I could think was "oh sure, you care about Afghan women (which is fine, of course) but what happened to all your WOMEN ARE DYING BECAUSE OF TRUMP!!! screeching the last year? 

Has she said anything about Roe and Trump? Or is dropping that subject part of her "Get out of Jail" free card from him? 

 

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5 hours ago, Lowcountry snark said:

An app isn't a good way to view the news.  It's probably the worst use case for app media.  

I think it would be regular programming that you could watch on tv or wherever. Prime has live news, as does Peacock. And it allows you to use it to subscribe to any streaming service you want. 

I watched some of the Brian Williams program on Election night. It was like how MSNBC or CNN covered the election, with various interviews, updates from around the country, etc.  They used a huge soundstage at MGM. 

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15 hours ago, SeanBug said:

what happened to all your WOMEN ARE DYING BECAUSE OF TRUMP!!!

That was the Wednesday the week before the election.  It was followed up by "something something HITLER!" and some cry screeching.
I was going to write here, "and that's why liberal media is hated" but I didn't because it was kind of controversial.

The panel on set when she did that was SO uncomfortable.  She was being peak unserious hack.

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Donnie Deutsch said Democrats have a branding problem. They should stop defending transgender surgeries for illegal immigrants who are in jail.

They should stop defending Palestinian protesters.

They should stop defending AOC & Bernie Sanders.

Joe likes AOC & Bernie.

Joe said Bobby Kennedy voters voted for Wallace in 1968.

Joe said Democrats should have moved to the center.

Joe admitted Obama won despite being a liberal senator.

Joe said Trump connected with the center.

 

Joe complained about having to get toothpaste from locked cabinets at the drugstore.

 

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20 hours ago, oakville said:

Wednesday mini recap. Mika wore a violet Star Wars wrap. Joe bought a new tie.

Joe said his show is popular on Armed Forces radio & YouTube. Mika told Heilmain to be on time for his segment.

Barnicle was left in the waiting room. Joe brought him to the table.

Heilman talked about albums in 1976. It was the Bicentennial.

Ed Luce brought gravitas. He doesn't know Captain & Tenille.

The discussion of 70s music was hilarious.  Peter Frampton hits. 

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19 hours ago, SeanBug said:

I heard a bit of the interview this morning with Saad Mohseni who wrote the book about Radio Free Afghanistan. He was discussing the Taliban and how women were affected and I heard Mika make some noise, a sigh of agreement or whatever. 

All I could think was "oh sure, you care about Afghan women (which is fine, of course) but what happened to all your WOMEN ARE DYING BECAUSE OF TRUMP!!! screeching the last year? 

Has she said anything about Roe and Trump? Or is dropping that subject part of her "Get out of Jail" free card from him? 

 

 

All this and then some. Are there any women out there who will trust anything Mika says regarding women again? What a hypocrite.

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6 hours ago, Lowcountry snark said:

That was the Wednesday the week before the election.  It was followed up by "something something HITLER!" and some cry screeching.
I was going to write here, "and that's why liberal media is hated" but I didn't because it was kind of controversial.

The panel on set when she did that was SO uncomfortable.  She was being peak unserious hack.

I haven't watched MSNBC or really any news since the election for obvious reasons, but what is the general vibe between Mr. and Mrs. Scarborough since their bombshell announcement and their regular panelists? Jennifer Rubin, a regular MSNBC panelist, has publicly blasted them, as has Saturday host Katie Phang more indirectly. 

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I miss Nicole Wallace and Katy Tur but not the daily infusion of anxiety and helplessness.
 

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Five reasons Democrats should turn off ‘Morning Joe’

What are you getting from this staple of morning TV “news”?

By Erik Wemple

November 20, 2024 at 4:31 p.m. EST

Monday was a day of beatdowns for Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski, the married couple who anchors the “Morning Joe” franchise on MSNBC. “Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski really made us fools,” wrote one X user. Another ripped away, “And this is why I’m done with @MSNBC. It was all a lie. The news organization NEVER cared about American democracy. Only ratings through appeasement. @MorningJoe is morning joke.” Other feedback is too profane for inclusion in these polite confines.

So, what had the “Morning Joe” crew done to trigger such a backlash — like, changed their whole presidential endorsement policy 11 days before an election or something?

Worse! They paid a visit to President-elect Donald Trump at Mar-a-Lago, as they explained at the top of Monday’s show. The explanation was a remarkable spectacle, one that’s sure to play on a loop in the eventual Smithsonian Museum of Cable News History. Scarborough and Brzezinski alternated with scripted elements of their spiel, a presentation heavy on preemptive strikes. “Don’t be mistaken,” said Scarborough, “we’re not here to defend or normalize Donald Trump. We’re here to report on him.”

Credit the duo, at least, with a bit of foresight there: There were many complaints that the “Morning Joe” visit to Mar-a-Lago had “normalized” the president-elect, a critique that, in its own right, has seen perhaps too much rotation in this election year. Is it possible to normalize normalization?

In the creases and crevices of the Scarborough-Brzezinski presentation, it was easy to spot issues with their rationale, issues with the “Morning Joe” franchise and issues with the state of cable news. And, as luck would have it, it’s all reducible to five reasons Democrats should turn off “Morning Joe.”

1. You’re better off reading a newspaper

In their presentation to “Morning Joe” viewers, Scarborough and Brzezinski tallied the milestones in their relationship with Trump. Before this recent meeting, they had gone seven years without meeting face-to-face with the president-elect. They did speak with him in 2020, and Scarborough phoned him on the morning after the assassination attempt against him in July in Butler, Pennsylvania.

Now I’m wondering why I even bothered to rummage through those details. Oh, yes: Because the hosts argued that following Trump’s victory in the Nov. 5 presidential election, it was time for change. “Joe and I realized it’s time to do something different, and that starts with not only talking about Donald Trump but also talking with him,” said Brzezinski.

Why cordon off a soul-searching segment of “Morning Joe” for this quasi-revelation? Perhaps to send a signal to MSNBC’s resistance community: You might not like what you see on this program going forward. Could those folks have driven the ratings dip at “Morning Joe” immediately following Monday’s announcement?

2. You’re better off reading a newspaper

Scroll back to that history-making explanation on Monday morning. “We’re here to report on [Trump] and to hopefully provide you insights and understanding of these deeply unsettling times,” said Scarborough.

Those are fine intentions. In accounting for the meeting, however, Brzezinski said, “Over the past week, Joe and I have heard from so many people. From political leaders to regular citizens deeply dismayed by several of President-elect Trump’s Cabinet selections, and they are scared. Last Thursday, we expressed our own concerns on this broadcast and even said we would appreciate the opportunity to speak with the president-elect himself. On Friday, we were given the opportunity to do just that.”

Does the “Morning Joe” duo see themselves as emissaries on behalf of these deeply dismayed throngs? Lobbying for sanity in Cabinet appointments? Or are they journalists?

Well, Scarborough disclosed on Monday that the conversation with Trump was on “background,” a confounding claim given the circumstances. “Background” is a condition to which journalists agree when their source doesn’t want to be identified by name — for example, White House reporters commonly participate in “background” briefings with political appointees and attribute the resulting quotes to a “senior administration official.” Keep your eye on “Morning Joe” for killer scoops attributed to “a narcissist with insight into the president-elect’s thinking.”

“You speak truth to power, you push back hard,” said Scarborough on Monday, noting they’d requested an interview with Trump for “Morning Joe.” For the sake of clarity: There is nothing wrong with journalists speaking with politicians, even, and especially, scoundrels and liars and evildoers; happens all the time, on the record, on background and off the record. Done properly, there is nothing corrupt or normalizing about it. “Any practicing journalist or news host would take an off the record meeting with the incoming President of the United States. End of discussion,” says an NBC source.

Just so happens, however, that the “Morning Joe” pair is struggling to convince many people that pure newsgathering imperatives were behind the visit to Trump. CNN’s Brian Stelter, for instance, is reporting that concerns about retribution drove the event. Others see “kowtowing” and ring-kissing. Trump himself told Fox News that Scarborough and Brzezinski “congratulated me on running a ‘great and flawless campaign, one for the history books,’ which I really believe it was, but it was also a campaign where I worked long and hard — perhaps longer and harder than any presidential candidate in history.”

Think about this turn of events for a moment: “Morning Joe” spent years denouncing Trump’s authoritarian plans and actions to its faithful audience. Then, one day, its hosts arrange a meeting that allows Trump to make that claim.

3. You’re better off reading a newspaper

Special counsel Robert K. Hur in February released a report outlining his conclusions that charges were not warranted in the classified documents case involving President Joe Biden. Among other claims, Hur found that Biden was a “well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory.”

Scarborough exploded. “So bizarre,” railed the host on “Morning Joe.” “So many people immediately heard these random conclusions, irrelevant conclusions, politically charged, Trump-like ramblings. Why in the world would he put that in a report? His neurological assessment of Joe Biden and secondly why Merrick Garland would release garbage like that in the Justice Department.”

Stalwart behavior of that sort was no surprise, considering that Biden has been a devotee of the program and Scarborough has served as a sounding board for the president in private calls. That’s not to suggest that a cable-news host would allow proximity to power to cloud his news judgment in any way on any occasion.

4. You’re better off reading a newspaper

A week before the presidential election, Scarborough was doing some horse-race analysis. “If it’s tied, the tie doesn’t go to the runner. It goes to the person who has the best ground game, and most people would say that’s the Harris campaign,” said the host. A couple of days later, he revisited the topic. “You look at the ground game. Jen O’Malley Dillon’s ground game versus Elon Musk’s ground game?” said Scarborough, referring to the Harris campaign chair and the billionaire who assisted with Trump’s door-knocking efforts. “He’s good at building rockets. I’m not so sure he’s good at getting out the vote — we’ll see.”

Don’t get the impression that Scarborough was the only one on MSNBC who touted the Harris ground game. It was an around-the-clock phenomenon at the network in the weeks leading up to the election. It was perfectly reasonable item for consideration, too, in light of polling data depicting a nip-and-tuck contest. And the commentary, in the rearview mirror, appears to have been accurate: As the New York Times reported, Democratic ground activity in Pennsylvania, for example, swamped corresponding Republican efforts.

Even so, the ground-game hype was just that — an empty-calorie political discussion craved by MSNBC’s core audience, whose hopes soared on such segments and others like it. The matter turned out to be irrelevant in that door-knocking prevails only when the margins are tiny. They weren’t.

5. You’re better off reading a newspaper

Historians will one day look back at the various opportunities this country has had to stop Trump. Election Day is clearly one of them; so were the impeachment proceedings following Jan. 6, 2021. Perhaps the best one, though, came in the early months of his presidential primary campaign in 2015, when his hate-filled politics were clear but his base of support hadn’t quite hardened.

It was in those months that “Morning Joe” yukked it up with the upstart candidate (though Scarborough disputes this takeaway). The median age of the MSNBC audience is 71, so viewers who watched Monday’s disclosure are likely old enough to remember the onset bonhomie of those days. They know too well what a Trump-“Morning Joe” meeting looks like.

On Tuesday, Scarborough marveled at the “massive disconnect” between the reaction of people on social media and “the real world.” “We were flooded with phone calls from people all day, literally around the world,” said Scarborough. “Very positive, very supportive.” Hmmm, so Scarborough’s saying that the people in the “real world” are able to contact him via phone?

One last tip: Newspapers these days are by no means perfect, but they do withhold dramas over their attempts to interview politicians. They just publish the results. They don’t have 24 hours of daily airtime to fill with repetitive and distortionary stuff. And they pair well with breakfast, too.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/11/20/five-reasons-no-morning-joe/

 

 

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, oakville said:

They should stop defending transgender surgeries for illegal immigrants who are in jail.

Who was doing that?  Several articles in The Advocate have called out people on this show for this bullshit, when transgender issues were rarely brought up, other than the bigotry against the entire LGBTQ community. 

Donnie is as full of shit as the rest of them.  Daily Show ran a piece showing everyone in the media calling Dr Oz a medical genius. Including our boy Donnie. 

 

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No wonder Joe mentions the WSJ every 5 seconds now. 

WaPo has betrayed him. 

I figured WSJ mentions are the new drinking game. 

I cannot believe MSNBC hasn't just told Joe and Mika to pack up and leave. Their ratings are in the toilet, they have become traitors to the people they work with,  to viewers and the show sucks when they're on. 
 
 

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1 hour ago, SeanBug said:

No wonder Joe mentions the WSJ every 5 seconds now. 

WaPo has betrayed him. 

I figured WSJ mentions are the new drinking game. 

I cannot believe MSNBC hasn't just told Joe and Mika to pack up and leave. Their ratings are in the toilet, they have become traitors to the people they work with,  to viewers and the show sucks when they're on. 
 
 

Don't forget The Twins also pushed The New York Post. Or was it just Joe? I didn't see it, only read about it. 

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‘I Should Not Be Doing This’: Megyn Kelly Mocks Mika Brzezinski Magazine Photo and Tells Her, 'You're Full of Sh*t!'

When you give someone like Megyn Kelly sufficient ammunition to credibly attack you as a phony -- when she herself is guilty of the very same thing -- you know you've lost control of the narrative.

I used to like Megyn Kelly despite the political differences (Olivia Nuzzi, too -- guess I have a "type") but once her soul turned orange I lost all respect.   Still, I appreciated that she fired point-blank at that ridiculous photo that we have all poked fun at for years.

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10 hours ago, millennium said:

‘I Should Not Be Doing This’: Megyn Kelly Mocks Mika Brzezinski Magazine Photo and Tells Her, 'You're Full of Sh*t!'

When you give someone like Megyn Kelly sufficient ammunition to credibly attack you as a phony -- when she herself is guilty of the very same thing -- you know you've lost control of the narrative.

I used to like Megyn Kelly despite the political differences (Olivia Nuzzi, too -- guess I have a "type") but once her soul turned orange I lost all respect.   Still, I appreciated that she fired point-blank at that ridiculous photo that we have all poked fun at for years.

While I appreciate the "effort", for God's sake Megyn that photo is twelve years old.  Mika has done so much shallow, pathetic shit in that time. 

It's like Megyn got on this forum, read a couple pages and copied one of our links to it. 

Do you own work!! 

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50 minutes ago, SeanBug said:

While I appreciate the "effort", for God's sake Megyn that photo is twelve years old.  Mika has done so much shallow, pathetic shit in that time. 

It's like Megyn got on this forum, read a couple pages and copied one of our links to it. 

Do you own work!! 

Are we at a point where Megan Kelly has more gravitas than Meeka? Where she (Megan) is getting clicks and oxygen? As a "Friend" of the The Real Housewives of Orange County said many years ago..."Is this the world we live in?" After she was schooled for eating the fondant bow off the top of another Housewife's birthday cake.  Now THIS is the world that I live in. Maybe should we all. 

****Edited for error**** The "bow" was not on a birthday cake; it was a cake celebrating another Housewife (a former actress) deciding to use her married name instead of her professional name. The world shook.

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25 minutes ago, Kemper said:

Are we at a point where Megan Kelly has more gravitas than Meeka? Where she (Megan) is getting clicks and oxygen? As a Friend of the Housewives of the Real Housewives of Orange County said many years ago..."Is this the world we live in?" After she was schooled for eating the fondant bow off the top of another Housewives birthday cake.  Now THIS is the world that I live in. Maybe should we all. 

****Edited for error**** The "bow" was not on a birthday cake; it was a cake celebrating another Housewife (a former actress) deciding to use her married name instead of her professional name. The world shook.

Megyn and Mika are both self serving hypocrites.

Both deserve nothing but scorn. 

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Remember last week when Joe, Mika, Donnie, everyone on the show was blasting the Dems for talking about transgender rights to the point it lost Harris the election? (While in fact this never happened).

Are they pointing out that REPUBLICAN House Member Nancy Mace has introduced a bill regarding who is allowed to use the Women's Restrooms in the Capitol building?  Which is nothing but an attack on Sarah McBride? 

Mace tweeted about this over 300 times. She's posting video of herself taping a sign that reads "Biological" above the Women's sign next to the restroom door. 

I guess Morning Joe isn't going to retract their statements and point out the people who are actually obsessed with transgender people. 

If only JoMika and Co had half the class Sarah McBride exhibited regarding this issue. 

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1 hour ago, SeanBug said:

Megyn and Mika are both self serving hypocrites.

Both deserve nothing but scorn. 

True.  Megan knows exactly who she is, how she got there and what she needs to do/lower herself to keep working.  I think Meeka believes her own press and thinks she has earned her position in life.

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4 minutes ago, Kemper said:

True.  Megan knows exactly who she is, how she got there and what she needs to do/lower herself to keep working.  I think Meeka believes her own press and thinks she has earned her position in life.

If you told Mika she was born on third base and thinks she hit a triple, she would reply "Everybody shut up about sports!!!" 

The self delusion is alive and well. 

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What is their real angle here? Is being part of the D.C. elite and being invited to all the fancy parties worth it now that everyone knows they're sell-outs? I guess it is for them. They have absolutely no credibility now...not that they had much to begin with...

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20 minutes ago, Prairie Rose said:

What is their real angle here? Is being part of the D.C. elite and being invited to all the fancy parties worth it now that everyone knows they're sell-outs? I guess it is for them. They have absolutely no credibility now...not that they had much to begin with...

Replying to this in The Hosts Thread since it's about JoMika and not an episode of the show. 

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When I watched MJ, it was basically background while I ate breakfast and got ready for work. Even then, it was tiring listening to Joe's endless bloviating and bellowing, though it was amusing sometimes to see Mika's eyes glaze over in sheer boredom when the guys would go on and on (and on, and ON...) about sports.

Still, I would enjoy when writers like Tim Alberta and David French were featured. Those are two men who have paid the price, both personally and professionally, for NOT "kissing the ring". I also like some of their regular contributors like Eugene Robinson. Maybe MSNBC should just keep Willie as well as Jonathan Lemire and go on without Mr. and Mrs. Scarborough.

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14 hours ago, millennium said:

‘I Should Not Be Doing This’: Megyn Kelly Mocks Mika Brzezinski Magazine Photo and Tells Her, 'You're Full of Sh*t!'

When you give someone like Megyn Kelly sufficient ammunition to credibly attack you as a phony -- when she herself is guilty of the very same thing -- you know you've lost control of the narrative.

I used to like Megyn Kelly despite the political differences (Olivia Nuzzi, too -- guess I have a "type") but once her soul turned orange I lost all respect.   Still, I appreciated that she fired point-blank at that ridiculous photo that we have all poked fun at for years.

Megyn was hilarious in that interview! I remember when she went on a late-night talk show and joked about Morning Joe's low ratings. Joe was not amused and called her a puppet of Rupert Murdoch.

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11 minutes ago, oakville said:

Megyn was hilarious in that interview! I remember when she went on a late-night talk show and joked about Morning Joe's low ratings. Joe was not amused and called her a puppet of Rupert Murdoch.

To me, the funniest part of all this was that NYP even asked Mika's ex-husband for comment:

https://nypost.com/2024/11/19/us-news/joe-scarborough-visits-donald-trump-and-raises-ire-of-dems/

Reached for his take on this, Brzezinski’s former husband James Hoffer said, “How the hell would I know? … I don’t really watch the show.”

Good for him!! 

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12 hours ago, Prairie Rose said:

What is their real angle here? Is being part of the D.C. elite and being invited to all the fancy parties worth it now that everyone knows they're sell-outs? I guess it is for them. They have absolutely no credibility now...not that they had much to begin with...

I wonder if Larry David will accost them on Martha's Vineyard.

 

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