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[KaveDweller]

In the Castle-verse it seems like first-grade detective is sort of like sergeant or lieutenant in that she has some authority over other detectives but is still an in the field type job. So I guess sergeant/lieutenant don't also exist in their universe. It's fine with me if that doesn't match reality.

On Grimm, the detectives seem to be over the sergeant (who still wears a uniform). That doesn't seem to match reality either, but as long as they stay consistent within the show, I'm fine with that too.

I wonder when we'll start to see some real spoilers about season 8? The writers start back this week, right?

[Kromm]

I read the same thing as Kromm some time ago, that this rank did not exist. What amuses me is that the 1980s cop show, Hunter, did indeed use this "rank" for both leads. (Can you tell I'm a cop show junkie? And I just dated myself with this one!)

The LAPD and NYPD rank structures are totally different, I recall.

 

Looking it up now (and although I originally remember this from elsewhere, now I'm just checking Wikipedia), the LAPD, at least currently, has some kind of parallel ranks structure between uniform and detectives, It seems that on the LAPD end being a higher ranked Detective (in their case, "Police Detective II" and "Police Detective III"--so the numbering kind of goes in REVERSE of the NYPD) is EQUIVALENT to being a uniformed Sergeant. So in that case a "Detective Sergeant" would never exist, simply because you'd be one or the other.  

 

Whereas in the NYPD, while there are uniformed Sergeants as well, there are ALSO Sergeants in the Detective Squads who outrank Detective First-Class, who may or may not still function as Detectives themselves, but who would still be referred to as Sergeant either way. The NYPD also apparently has all kinds of specialist offshoot ranks and other sub-ranks that relate to difference's in pay, if not always in authority.

[McManda]

I would've been bummed if they started calling her Sergent Beckett or Lieutenant Beckett. That just ... doesn't sound right? I don't know. I guess I like the consonance of Detective Beckett?

 

I'm also going to be kind of bummed if they regularly call her Captain Beckett. Maybe it'll grow on me?

[verdana]

I feel bad that Penny was apparently blindsided about this, but can't really say I care about Gates being gone. What are the chances they would finally start to give her a real storyline now? She plays no real role on the show except as a generic authority figure. And the "sir" thing always bothered me. It's anti-feminist to say being called sir is more respectful than ma'am.

Zero chance which is partly why I don't care, because if they had wanted to flesh her character out more they would have done do by now. It's been three years and in all that time I know she has a sister , husband a couple of kids and collects dolls..wow. The 'sir' thing bothered me too, it sounded dumb and the only reason they had her do this was to bring friction into her role at the start with the team especially with Beckett which I thought was cliched.

No idea if it's a minority viewpoint but I'd also love them to debunk the whole Time Traveller crap which never made any sense to me, it felt like MilMar hubris and typical of their later poorly thought out writing on Castle and Beckett.

Edited May 31, 2015 by verdana

[verdana]

I wonder when we'll start to see some real spoilers about season 8? The writers start back this week, right?

Back to work 1 June so hopefully they'll be leaking some spoilers later in the month, get fans excited for the new season, which would make a nice change from feeling ambivalent or worse annoyed and fearful which is what reading Marlowe's interviews or hearing spoilers in the last few seasons have tended to do.

This news about Penny has me feeling happy and optimistic about S8 after getting over the initial surprise, cutting down on the cast members who do nothing might tighten up the writing and make them focus more on what's really important, instead of watching the writers being forced into giving these individuals the odd line every so often to justify their existence and pay cheque.

Good move, coupled with giving Beckett a chance to at least change her job description plus it looks like they've decided to forget about the political option Milmar left dangling...that's another smart decision and neither new showrunner has once yet mentioned the word mythology, fantastic! I'm excited for what's to come and I haven't felt this way in a long time over the last few summer breaks.

Edited May 31, 2015 by verdana

[verdana]

Good lord, sinfully good scruff and glasses alert, close up of Nathan at fanexpo Dallas and it's in b&w which makes it even better. Please new showrunners why not let him at least wear the glasses!

http://i-blindside.tumblr.com/post/120368018715/fanexpo-dallas-2015-photo-rachel-parker

[FlickerToAFlame]

Full panel video:

@NFillionOnline: .@NathanFillion & @Alan_Tudyk a #FanExpoDallas / Dallas Comic Con - May 2015 - https://t.co/qFYvhEgdkE

[AntiBeeSpray]

I would've been bummed if they started calling her Sergent Beckett or Lieutenant Beckett. That just ... doesn't sound right? I don't know. I guess I like the consonance of Detective Beckett?

 

I'm also going to be kind of bummed if they regularly call her Captain Beckett. Maybe it'll grow on me?

 

Only thing that'll be growing on me in that regard is the moss between my toes :p. But all kidding aside, I don't think it seems right. *shrugs*

[Gant]

Just watched the Alan&Nathan panel, I've seen more entertaining ones from both of these guys, but still pretty fun. Questions were meh for the most part, but they really have great rapport and can hold a room of 9 thousands people (the panel's host, who vanished immediately, said that it's more seats than in SDCC's Hall H) like nobody's business.

 

Most of the talk was about Con Man that starts shooting tomorrow, I believe, but Firefly and Castle got a few mentions as well. I see fandom has already divided in two parts: one that touts NF's quote "8 seasons of Castle can't be wrong", and another that gets collective panties in a bunch because of his failing to name a favorite Castle episode from season 7 :). The only thing he remembered as his favorite was the One Direction mention he and the boys worked out by themselves, if I understood correctly. They even studied the 1D tour schedule to get the dates right :). I may be too thick-skinned, but I can't make myself feel offended because an actor from a show I watch couldn't remember an episode's name, which is apparently one more in a huge pile of insults to twu Castle fans that makes people's blood boil :). NF also gave away scraps of Castle sides to those who asked questions. His mention of doing more different and shorter roles as opposed to a several years long Castle commitment, as his bucket list option, doesn't say much of course, but makes me doubt the possibility of Castle continuing beyond season 8, whatever Paul Lee wishes. Sure money talks, but I still feel that everyone got enough of Castle at this point. Or will, by the end of the season.

[femmefan1946]

Looking at his IMdB profile, NF has had about 40 jobs (mostly voice work) while also starring in Castle. Not counting SF and comic cons.

What a lazy slob. No work ethic at all.

 

BTW, will he be shooting Castle and ConMan at the same time? I realize CM calls for less time since they only seem to have 120 minutes planned and NF is not the star.

[TWP]

Someone referenced the Castillo from the 80's soap Santa Barbara.  The name was actually Cruz Castillo not Ricardo and was played by A Martinez.  Whether he's ruggedly handsome  is up to you.  But the specked and bearded "Ricardo Castillo" and Santa Barbara's "Cruz Castillo" are different even in name.

Had to make that correction.

 

Penny's departure was certainly sudden, but we don't know if she was told early enough to find other work, though was contractually obligated not to let on until now?  But I've seen several actors get cut from shows in the last few years on ABC and now see them all over the place on other shows.  I suspect she'll have work.

 

I'm in the Samantha/could care less camp.  I was rooting for Stana to leave.  I'd have enjoyed seeing what they'd try and do creatively with the fallout.  Now it's back to business as usual.   I've come to terms with the bizzarro world of the castle writer room, and thus feel that if I don't fall asleep in the middle of an episode, it was a good day.

[turnitwayup]

BTW, will he be shooting Castle and ConMan at the same time? I realize CM calls for less time since they only seem to have 120 minutes planned and NF is not the star.

 

I think Castle starts filming around the 2nd week of July? I know Con Man is filming throughout June but PJ said in one of the Con Man hangwith that Nathan is gonna be busy in June cause he has set his filming schedule around Nathan's other schedule. PJ didn't really go into detail about it so know one knows if it's for another role.

[verdana]

Thanks Gant. I saw that quote about the 8 seasons thing floating around on Tumblr and thought well he's pretty safe there from getting it in the neck aaahhhh but not naming a favourite Castle episode gotcha! He's not alone in that I can't name one either, I thought it was a distinctly average season with no great highs to speak of so I don't blame him.

NF also gave away scraps of Castle sides to those who asked questions. His mention of doing more different and shorter roles as opposed to a several years long Castle commitment, as his bucket list option, doesn't say much of course, but makes me doubt the possibility of Castle continuing beyond season 8, whatever Paul Lee wishes. Sure money talks, but I still feel that everyone got enough of Castle at this point. Or will, by the end of the season.

Yeah I can't see him going past s8 either but then I was convinced not long ago he was fed up and would call it a day and yet here we are. Maybe cash will win out again next season over the daily grind of doing Castle and as for Mr Paul Lee LOL talk is cheap with that guy.

I don't know why some fans keep getting upset with Nathan's responses (or lack of) about Castle anymore, technically he's on vacation doing something else so the fact he's said anything is a bonus plus he's never been someone I would purposely seek out for his views on Castle be it past, present or future because he usually doesn't have anything much to say I consider that interesting or exciting quite possibly because there is nothing that Earth shattering to say on the subject. He's obviously not a shipper either so fans getting in a tizzy when he won't say kissing Beckett was his most memorable moment evah is hardly a shocker. Actors don't necessarily like the exact same things the fans get all crazy about I don't see why they have to as long as they do their job when the cameras start rolling.

[KaveDweller]

Honestly though, I think sometimes Nathan purposely picks unromantic scenes when asked about what his favorite was. Like he knows it's going to annoy some fans, but doesn't care because the shippers annoy him first.

I am not trying to criticize Nathan here, he has a tight to say whatever he wants and some fans do go to far with what they ask of him. But I do think he's very aware of the reaction it gets. And really, would it kill him to mention liking the romance once in awhile? For the fans, even if he hates it?

[Julia]

Honestly though, I think sometimes Nathan purposely picks unromantic scenes when asked about what his favorite was. Like he knows it's going to annoy some fans, but doesn't care because the shippers annoy him first.

I am not trying to criticize Nathan here, he has a tight to say whatever he wants and some fans do go to far with what they ask of him. But I do think he's very aware of the reaction it gets. And really, would it kill him to mention liking the romance once in awhile? For the fans, even if he hates it?

 

He was never shy about the fact that he was hoping the show would never go there, and it wouldn't end well if it did. I imagine it's kind of a sensitive subject.

[turnitwayup]

Since some of you are into Nathan's facial hair, just letting you know he shaved for Con Man filming. BTS pic from Con Man twitter.

Edited June 1, 2015 by turnitwayup

[WendyCR72]

Honestly though, I think sometimes Nathan purposely picks unromantic scenes when asked about what his favorite was. Like he knows it's going to annoy some fans, but doesn't care because the shippers annoy him first.

I am not trying to criticize Nathan here, he has a tight to say whatever he wants and some fans do go to far with what they ask of him. But I do think he's very aware of the reaction it gets. And really, would it kill him to mention liking the romance once in awhile? For the fans, even if he hates it?

 

I think Nathan Fillion has a right to his own opinion. His obligation to fan service is fulfilled, as far as I'm concerned, when he plays out the written script. And he seems to live by the credo: "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all."

 

Why lie when silence does the trick?

 

And if fans cannot respect his opinions, that would be their issue, the way I see it. He does his job, so I think he does what's required and that's it.

[McManda]

But at a fan appearance he is probably never going to talk about kissing Beckett or pick a romantic scene as his favorite.

 

He did mention that he got to make out with Stana when he did a NerdHQ panel, though. He was giving away things to people that asked questions, and he was giving away a copy of the Batman: Arkham City game and he said that he wasn't in it, but Stana was, and he got to make out with her.

 

I don't know why he tends to not talk about the romance aspect, but because he only tends to shy away from it when talking directly to fans I can only assume that it's because he finds it weird to talk about. I mean, I wouldn't really want to talk about making out with my coworker as part of the job to people when I know they're going to jump on and run with whatever I say. He doesn't mention much about it when asked fan questions, but he'll talk about it in interviews. (One of my favorites was the TVGuide interview where they asked both Stana and Nathan about the kiss in Knockdown and he compared it to heroin, and then decided that comparison was too dark so he went with chocolate instead.)

 

Since some of you are into Nathan's facial hair, just letting you know he shaved for Con Man filming.

 

Noooooooooo. I blame Alan for that one.

[KaveDweller]

Exactly.

I mean if he lied would it make anyone feel better?

When he gives an interview regarding a specific episode then he will talk story, even the romance. (I'm not going to dig up examples now but I know he talked about the wedding)

I think it would make some fans feel better if he lied, actually. Not me, I don't really care, but some of the Tumblr crowd seem upset about it. Lots of people like to hear that actors have the same opinions as them, or that actors are friends in real lie and things like that. It's like it validates their own opinion on the show. That is not unique to Castle at all. And while Nathan is certainly under no obligation to make fans feel better, I think of it like telling someone you liked something they cooked when it was really awful.

Again, I'm not saying he's doing anything wrong. He does his job and promotes the show. But I do think he's aware of the reaction from fans and he's often deliberate about not giving them what they want (for whatever reason).

Edited June 1, 2015 by KaveDweller

[WendyCR72]

But I do think he's aware of the reaction from fans and he's often deliberate about not giving them what they want (for whatever reason).

 

I get what you're saying but, again, that is a fan issue. Not his responsibility.

[KaveDweller]

I didn't say he was responsible for anything, I was just making an observation.

[verdana]

A new writer on the show.

 

Castle Promos ‏@CastlePromos  6 hrs6 hours ago
New #Castle writer in our midst. Let's all welcome Robert Bella to the family. Follow him at @brooklynbella.

 

 

 

I presume from some of his twitter comments he was linked to The Following as he seemed to be following it heh and he's clearly pally with Hawley but I can't see his name linked to that production? So I'm a bit confused and I'm not sure from IMDB either which is my usual go to source when I've never heard of them. 

 

ETA here's the link to IMDB on Robert Bella. 

Edited June 2, 2015 by verdana

[verdana]

Honestly though, I think sometimes Nathan purposely picks unromantic scenes when asked about what his favorite was. Like he knows it's going to annoy some fans, but doesn't care because the shippers annoy him first.

 

Yeah I have wondered about that but I get the distinct impression the romance aspect does nothing for the guy and he just can't be bothered to lie about it unlike other actors. Whether he should adopt a slightly different approach sometimes with the fans is open to debate but perhaps he's not comfortable with the idea which is understandable even if it might make things a little easier all round. I have to admit if he did start talking up the romance at this stage instead of excitedly swooning like most fans I'd be in shock and wonder if an alien life force had taken control over Nathan's body. 

 

What a downer for the day, Nathan has shaved off his scruff. *sobs* The scruff may be a distant dream but I'm still hoping on those glasses making an appearance one day on the show. I see fans tweeting the writers welcoming them back asking for this and that on the writing front well they can start by demanding Castle gets to wear glasses. I know it's shallow but I don't care. 

Chad Gomez Creasey ‏@chadgcreasey  52m52 minutes ago

#Castle S8, Day 1. Surprises galore, including a freshly painted writers' room. Were my pitches influenced by the fumes? Guess we'll see.

 

Fresh paint, fresh ideas? Lets hope so.

Edited June 2, 2015 by verdana

[Gant]

Personally, I tend to feel a little offended if I detect that someone purposefully says not what they think, or spews an apparent PR piece, because they think it would be more palatable for me. It implies that I am someone to be placated and not taken as an equal, and kind of insults my intelligence. So these constant complaints (don’t mean KaveDweller, that was more of an observation) in the Castle fandom about this matter always mystify me. People literally say “He could just pretend, he’s an actor after all, he could give us this and think whatever he wants, but we would feel better”. I fail to see the value of this sort of communication, when one side asks the other side to lie, to pretend, to skew their opinion just so that the first side would feel better. And feels offended and disrespected in their God given rights when it doesn’t happen.

 

I’m projecting here, but have to admit - if I learn that someone would actually feel insulted by me not talking about kissing another actor as a peak experience of my life (or by me having a different favorite episode, or by me treating my job as a job – nice job, but still not a be-all end-all of my life), I am petty enough to purposefully urge them to take that offense and run with it :). I am a believer in giving people what they need, not what they want, in the words of The Rolling Stones. And IMO this sort of fans definitely need to feel righteously offended more than they think they want to hear an opinion mirroring their own. It’s proven time and again by their persistent searching for the reasons to get offended.

[verdana]

Mariana ‏@manamitru  27m27 minutes ago

#Castle is 25 in America's Most Watched 2014-2015 50 Top Shows in @/TVGuideMagazine (based on Live +7days DVR)

https://twitter.com/manamitru/status/605740487585038337/photo/1

 

 

Castle was 12th last year. 

[pepper]

 

So these constant complaints (don’t mean KaveDweller, that was more of an observation) in the Castle fandom about this matter always mystify me. People literally say “He could just pretend, he’s an actor after all, he could give us this and think whatever he wants, but we would feel better”.

Honest opinion alert:

 

I think that's nonsense, too. However, in the days when I would watch his interviews, I pretty much came away with the impression that he was ungrateful. What I mean is that Castle, giving him the steady job that other actors dream about, seemed to get short shrift as he praised all things Firefly. I'm not expecting him to lie and say he prefers the show, but given some prep time we can all find positives to report about even mundane things. Make the effort. No matter your preference, there have to be good things about the job or you wouldn't do it for eight years. 

 

I own Firefly, heck, I even bought Serenity on Blu-Ray. But if your current job is Castle and you're being interviewed with a heavy representation of Castle fans in the audience, and perhaps you only got the mainstream interview because of the popularity of Castle, please make the effort and find something positive to say about the show. As loyal as Firefly fans are, they neither managed to demonstrate sufficient numbers to keep the show on the air or make the film a blockbuster. And Castle fans are loyal too, even though I want nothing to do with them on tumblr or twitter because the cray-cray is strong on social media.

 

That all sounds as though I feel/felt very strongly about the whole thing, which I don't/didn't. But I quickly learned that his interviews would give me zero insight into Castle the show or the character and I waited for a message board excerpt or recommendation before wasting my time reading or watching them. People without the self-control to stop banging their heads against that particular brick wall really shouldn't complain that it hurts.

[Gant]

Yeah, I would agree with that if NF didn’t go on and on about how grateful he is for Castle. Disinterested? Yes. More and more as seasons go by. At a loss what to say about the show  in interviews? Totally. His attempts to find at least something pleasant and different to say are funny to observe, he usually just goes into BTS stuff, coworkers and fun incidents on set.

 

I'm not a huge fan of his Castle interviews unless it's all BTS discussion, but what ungratefulness has to do with it, I don’t know. If by “being interviewed with a heavy representation of Castle fans in the audience” you mean Dallas con, in that video he specifically says how grateful he is for his years on Castle, that it presented challenges and gave him satisfaction as an actor (so yeah, he obviously is able to lie, lol ), that “8 years of Castle can’t be wrong” etc. He also told a funny story about how that One Direction bit was worked in. Yet, all that people took from it was that he couldn’t remember episode names, and that means he is ungrateful and disrespects Castle fans.

 

People without the self-control to stop banging their heads against that particular brick wall really shouldn't complain that it hurts.

 

Like I said, these people are addicted to feeling righteous indignation and can't help themselves.

Edited June 2, 2015 by Gant

[madmaverick]

Nathan's never sounded as passionate about Castle as he has about Firefly (pretty much goes for every other project he's ever done), but I've never had the impression that he was ungrateful for Castle.  The opposite, actually.  He's given me the impression that he's always counted his blessings during his career and he knows how lucky he is to be on a long running show.  He has expressed gratitude to those he works with on Castle many times.

 

Some people like to gripe over everything Castle-related (or even Firefly-related ;)) thing that Nathan's said that hasn't chimed in with their own expectations or preferences, but let's not forget about all the one on one experiences he's given to Castle fans, at cons, on locations, wherever, on his own time, over the years, where by all accounts, he's never been anything but pleasant.  People have never said he's shown more preference for Firefly fans over Castle fans at cons, but is in fact just as nice and warm with them.  Just as grateful for them.  He answers the questions he's asked at cons.  If he's asked about Firefly, he answers about Firefly.  If he's asked about Castle, he'll answer about Castle.  He may not have answered the favourite episode question at this particular con to everyone's satisfaction, but he took care to give the fan who asked the question a bit from a Castle script because he noted she was a Castle fan instead of any random thing.

 

If I'm being honest, sure, I wish that Nathan waxed eloquent about the Caskett romance or gave more thoughtful rather than mostly funny answers about Castle, but he's entitled to his own opinion and I'd never fault anyone for offering an honest answer.  Other cast have been asked the favourite episode question before.  The supporting cast's answer is the episode which revolved around them.  Stana has mentioned that the episodes about her mother's murder have been her favourites, along with when Caskett got together.  Susan said at Paley that she doesn't think so much in terms of episodes but in terms of moments between characters.  I think Nathan has said the same thing.  I wouldn't be surprised if it's particular moments where the actors may have worked at something in the script and it turned out well that stands out to them.  For Nathan, the comedic moments worked at from a team effort appear to be some of the memorable Castle moments that he references at cons and such.  Those may not be what some fans are looking for, but it is what it is.  

 

Actors often don't like the same things as fans do or even aren't fannish about their work.  Maybe after a long season of memorising Castle scripts, his brain wasn't in Castle mode with instant recall and so he couldn't remember stuff as well as he'd hoped.  It happens to all of us.    I personally think it's overthinking it when people make out that he doesn't talk about the romance to annoy fans.  Some fans may be annoyed with him over every little thing, but I hardly think he's focused on annoying Castle shippers. ;)   If anything, he may be more reticent on the subject not to annoy but because he doesn't want to stir up any unwanted real life shipping.  He has talked about the romance and the wedding in the past in interviews, even if not as frequently and passionately as fans might wish.  I wish people could just celebrate fun quotes from the actors when they happen and chill when they do not.  Let's not over-analyse every little thing from 140 characters or an answer to a question. 

Let's just celebrate the fact that Nathan didn't use the word "mythology" in any of his answers heh. 

Edited June 2, 2015 by madmaverick

[Gant]

He may not have answered the favourite episode question at this particular con to everyone's satisfaction, but he took care to give the fan who asked the question a bit from a Castle script because he noted she was a Castle fan instead of any random thing.

His answers in the past weren't exactly fandom crowd pleasers either, lol. Heartbreak Hotel because they dressed as "Elvii" and the episode with Adam Baldwin because it was with Adam Baldwin. So I don't know what answer he could give to please everyone, or even the majority. Hey, he could say "Sleeper" and lose my respect forever!;)

Edited June 2, 2015 by Gant

[madmaverick]

Since some of you are into Nathan's facial hair, just letting you know he shaved for Con Man filming.

 

Noooooooooo. I blame Alan for that one.

 

 

Nathan did say Alan was the boss, heh.  But Castle pilot scruff is still tops for me.  If they do the time jump for S8, it would be hilarious if all the guys sported massive facial hair and *blasphemy* Beckett was back to a short hair cut and Susan ditched her Martha wig.  All the Castle guys seem to enjoy not shaving over hiatus.

 

If we can't have the scruff, at least let us have the glasses.  Or even sunglasses.  Luke's wardrobe for Castle as well as Beckett in warmer climes never impressed me so maybe I should be careful in what I wish for. ;)

 

Posted some... interesting Con Man wardrobe over in the other thread for those interested.  Nice sunglasses there.

 

Fresh paint, fresh ideas? Lets hope so.

 

 

Does this mean there's now no money for a new photoshoot? ;)  Though they must have saved a few pennies from Penny (ouch, too soon?).

 

here's the link to IMDB on Robert Bella.

 

 

He doesn't appear to have written much.

 

Jon and possibly also Seamus did name the episode where the docu crew followed them around as a favourite.  But I think that episode would be far from being a fan favourite.

Edited June 2, 2015 by madmaverick

[FlickerToAFlame]

I'm curious why nobody has ever straight up asked Nathan (politely of course) at a Con Q&A to talk about what it's like to work with Stana. He's been asked similar questions about the Firefly cast, NPH, etc. While he obviously never mentions her directly, I also can't remember him ever being asked about her directly either. Do you guys think he would be upset about being asked?

Edited June 2, 2015 by FlickerToAFlame

[Gant]

I'm curious why nobody has ever straight up asked Nathan (politely of course) at a Con Q&A to talk about what it's like to work with Stana. He's been asked similar questions about the Firefly cast, NPH, etc. While he obviously never mentions her directly, I also can't remember him ever being asked about her directly either. Do you guys think he would be upset about being asked?

 

Upset? How it's gonna work, he's gonna stomp his feet and refuse to answer, or grow gloomy and dark? Lol. I doubt that, I think he's going to find words to answer without actually answering, like he does when asked about kissing scenes. He is quick and has the way with words. As for why he doesn't get asked that (never say never), I think it's mostly same old media/Hollywood tradition: women get asked about men they work with, but rarely the other way around. Unless the actress is much more famous than the actor, which is not the case here. There isn't much to ask Stana about, yet. There are more things to talk about with Nathan, both professionally and personally, because media and fans know him better. The rest is the gender thing IMO.

Edited June 2, 2015 by Gant

[madmaverick]

No, I don't think he would be upset to be asked about working with Stana.  He's never been asked from the panels I've seen.   I imagine he would praise her professionalism but not gush about her in an overly personal way that could be misinterpreted.  And definitely no reference to kissing scenes and such, especially now that she's married.  I remember being surprised about his reference to making out with her at Nerd HQ, but maybe that was a combination of it being a more intimate environment, and a different time.  I think it was the hiatus after Always.

 

There was a time when I would have expected a more personal and fun answer from Stana when asked about working with Nathan, but these days it appears she's into describing him as a great costar and colleague, but nothing more personal than that. ;)  Avoiding the personal seems to be both their M.O. ;)

 

Tamala, Penny and Seamus all joked about kissing Nathan at that Paley panel.  But I noticed that Stana didn't join in that, even if she said she hoped for a lot of kissing when Caskett got together.  And Nathan wanted fumbling, dear me. ;)

 

I don't know why, but I find that people generally don't ask the really interesting, inspired, or even juicy (politely, of course) questions at cons or Paley.  There's a lot of the same old questions being asked.  I can't remember one memorable or even faintly critical question about the show asked at a Castle Paley event.   I usually find the Q&As more boring than the moderated part, even though Castle's never had a particularly great moderator.

 

ETA: Was chuckling at the thought of someone asking Nathan an inappropriate follow up question to clarify whether he meant making out with Stana on the show or off, when I remembered that someone did actually ask Stana that!  Completely unprofessional of course, but it did happen.  I think there's a bit of a gender thing going on there as well in that female actors tend to be the ones asked these sort of questions that veer into private, personal territory.

Edited June 2, 2015 by madmaverick

[KaveDweller]

I remember being surprised about his reference to making out with her at Nerd HQ, but maybe that was a combination of it being a more intimate environment, and a different time.  I think it was the hiatus after Always.

 

There was a time when I would have expected a more personal and fun answer from Stana when asked about working with Nathan, but these days it appears she's into describing him as a great costar and colleague, but nothing more personal than that. ;)  Avoiding the personal seems to be both their M.O. ;)

 

Tamala, Penny and Seamus all joked about kissing Nathan at that Paley panel.  But I noticed that Stana didn't join in that, even if she said she hoped for a lot of kissing when Caskett got together.  And Nathan wanted fumbling, dear me. ;)

 

I don't know why, but I find that people generally don't ask the really interesting, inspired, or even juicy (politely, of course) questions at cons or Paley.  There's a lot of the same old questions being asked.  I can't remember one memorable or even faintly critical question about the show asked at a Castle Paley event.   I usually find the Q&As more boring than the moderated part, even though Castle's never had a particularly great moderator.

I was surprised about the making out comment too, because it was after they'd stopped doing interviews together and speculation had started about them having issues. At the time, it convinced me those rumors were all wrong.

I remember a fairly recent interview with Stana where she was asked about Nathan and said he was exactly like Castle. That's probably the most personal I've seen lately. She does get asked about him more than he does her, which isn't really surprising.

I've always wondered if those fan questions are screened, because no one ever asks really juicy or negative questions. Maybe people are too polite to be negative? But there could still be better nice questions.

[McManda]

Yeah that was a long time ago.

 

I think everyone can do the math and figure out things are different now.

 

And there is nothing wrong with that.

 

It wasn't that long ago, all things considered. It was after Always, and like madmaverick and  KaveDweller said, that was after they had stopped giving joint interviews and giving any sort of personal answers.

 

I still think they've just decided that instead of dealing with the crazies that they'll just be publicly indifferent to one another. I really just don't think they don't get along now because that would've come out somewhere other than fan observations that they just don't see them as buddy/buddy anymore.

 

I could go one of two ways: that will change now that she's married and has that buffer from those crazies, or it was all Kris's idea (he was the one uncomfortable with their relationship) and it'll get worse. (Those are both jokes, btw.) 

 

Yet I bet if you walk into Betty Smith's house she's got her picture of her and Nathan proudly displayed.

 

As someone that has a couple of signed photos: I found the experience weird and awkward (why am I waiting in line to say hi and get a photo/autograph of someone?!) and I don't have any of them displayed. It would mean more if I had memorabilia signed or something (the cast of Castle could sign one of the Nikki Heat books I have or something) and would be way less weird, but only if that autograph session grows out of something that isn't a purchased, stand-in-line meet and greet.

Edited June 2, 2015 by McManda

[KaveDweller]

Getting pictures with celebrities or talking tonthem is like the adult version of getting to sit at the popular lunch table. Some people never escape high school.

[madmaverick]

What I find funny is people squeeing over being tweeted back by a celebrity, even noting the date and time in their bio lol.  And possessively putting big twitter handle watermarks over photos taken with celebrities as if to put their stamp on it.  I guess that's the online equivalent of sitting at the popular lunch table.  But hey, if getting tweeted or getting an autograph or a photo make people happy, then who am I to judge?  As long as it's love that's expressed appropriately and not crazily....  it's the hating on people that I have a real problem with.

 

I remember a fairly recent interview with Stana where she was asked about Nathan and said he was exactly like Castle. That's probably the most personal I've seen lately. 

 

 

I remember her making a remark like that in the early days, but don't recall one recently.  When was this interview?

 

Now that I think about it, Nathan also answered directly about Stana in his reddit AMA when someone praised their chemistry.  Don't remember when that was but maybe sometime during season 5-6.

 

I've always wondered if those fan questions are screened, because no one ever asks really juicy or negative questions. Maybe people are too polite to be negative? But there could still be better nice questions.

 

It's not that I want negative or highly critical questions, but something more creative than asking about their favourite episode or pranks played on set would be nice. ;)  Why does no one ever ask why Caskett are interrupted all the time?  Heh.  Or the challenges of writing a romantic dynamic after a couple has gotten together and the sexual tension has been resolved?  Not that I really think Marlowe would have offered up particularly interesting answers judging from his interview record.

[verdana]

He doesn't appear to have written much.

 

No he doesn't, may he's cheap(er) given his relative inexperience in that area, budgetary issues seem to be an increasing factor to consider as the show ages. I'm sure Penny's departure wasn't solely down to a change in storyline. 

[KaveDweller]

I remember her making a remark like that in the early days, but don't recall one recently.  When was this interview?

 

It was at a movie premiere so maybe last summer, or the year before.  It seems like I just saw it, time really flies.  I tried to find it on Youtube, but got sucked into watching about 10 other Castle videos instead.

 

I did find this delightful interview from a couple years ago where the interviewer starts getting starstruck about Nathan (even though he's not there), which Stana seems to find totally adorable.

It's not that I want negative or highly critical questions, but something more creative than asking about their favourite episode or pranks played on set would be nice. ;)  Why does no one ever ask why Caskett are interrupted all the time?  Heh.  Or the challenges of writing a romantic dynamic after a couple has gotten together and the sexual tension has been resolved?  Not that I really think Marlowe would have offered up particularly interesting answers judging from his interview record.

 

The thing is the interruption question and most of the other good ones are really for the writers.  And Marlowe was never great at really addressing questions like that (see: "They need their privacy.") I would like people to ask the actors how they feel about storylines though.  Do they like the interruption thing? Can they guess the killer in the first act?

 

Usually the actors seem to pick their favorite scenes based on what was fun to film, which is fine.  But I would much rather hear them talk about the plot points that I found interesting.

 

Anyway my only point is that I think it's obvious that friendship and the level of enthusiasm for the show and each other has changed over the years and it's silly to blame it on 10 loud people on twitter who want them to get married in real life.

 

I agree that their enthusiasm has changed and that's probably natural. I don't think there's some big problem between them like some people seem to think.  It certainly doesn't impact my enjoyment of the show. The characters enthusiasm  for each other certainly hasn't changed.

[verdana]

Robert Hanning ‏@RobHanning  4 hrs4 hours ago

Robert Hanning retweeted Shana Punim

There are four new writers on the show this year and one new writer's asst. I will let them identify themselves.  Robert Hanning added,

 

Shana Punim @evilapprentice

@RobHanning There’s more than one? Spill.

 

I note Rob was also asked if there were any women in this new intake because otherwise there's just Roum (unless she's left and hasn't confirmed that) and Rob replied:

 

Robert Hanning ‏@RobHanning  4 hrs4 hours ago

Robert Hanning retweeted cxrmen

No cause for alarm or anger. Not all male

 

 

That's good to know, I think it's important they don't have a completely male dominated writers room, I hope at least one of those writers was on Forever as I heard good things about that show towards the end despite its demise.  

[ZingerCaskett]

I feel that Nathan and  Stana have had to temper any answer they give for Castle in order to not feed the crazies in our fandom that don't understand the difference between a character on TV and the actor or plays them,  nor personal  boundaries.    Which is a bummer for the rest of us who recognize that Stana and Nathan are real people who aren't their characters and get to choose who to be with.      I get so embarrassed when the crazies post death threats to Nathan's girlfriend, or disparaging comments about Kris.  

 

I'm not Betty Smith and don't have my pic of me with Nathan on display in my home.    It was a great birthday present from my husband, and now I can look at the proof that I met Nathan every day on my phone  (it's what you see when unlock my phone), and it's proof that my husband truly adores me!     The pic is also a big hit at my PTA meetings.    Imagine a group of mom's and teacher's swooning over a phone. 

[verdana]

Rob rules himself out of the running on writing 8.01

 

Robert Hanning ‏@RobHanning  1h1 hour ago
Yes: I am not writing it.  https://twitter.com/dia_47/status/606182463061303298 …

 

 

I suspect that honor will go to either TPW or Hawley - perhaps both.

New writers assistant.

 

Robert Hanning ‏@RobHanning  2h2 hours ago

Welcome aboard Nick! https://twitter.com/hicknurwitz/status/606179283204218881…

 

Nick Hurwitz and to no great surprise he's come over from The Following see his bio on IMDB as a "writers production assistant", being dumb what is a writers production assistant and how does that differ from a plain old writers assistant? 

Edited June 3, 2015 by verdana

[verdana]

Nick Hurwitz ‏@HickNurwitz  23 mins23 minutes ago

Ditto that, Bella – Pretty overwhelming! 

 

Robert Bella @brooklynbella

Loving all the #Caskett Love! Practically overnight I got 4x the followers! Psyched to work with and for so many awesome people! #gratitude

Oh just you wait it's not all rainbows and unicorns, they'll be wishing they were twitter(less) at some point this season I can guarantee it when the crazy comes out and some of those "awesome" followers turn on them. LOL 

Edited June 3, 2015 by verdana

[madmaverick]

when the crazy comes out and some of those "awesome" followers turn on them. LOL

 

Just like on The Following.  Heh.  Couldn't resist. 

 

Was there any romance at all on The Following?  Let's hope the writers brought in from that show have a good feel for it.  The hot and sexy, warm and fuzzy kind.  Not the twisted kind. ;)

[KaveDweller]

Just like on The Following.  Heh.  Couldn't resist. 

 

Was there any romance at all on The Following?  Let's hope the writers brought in from that show have a good feel for it.  The hot and sexy, warm and fuzzy kind.  Not the twisted kind. ;)

 

In the first season there was a really interesting triangle relationship between this one woman, her sort of boyfriend, and the guy he was pretending to be in a gay relationship with. But maybe that falls into the twisted category?

 

There was some non-twisted romance among the stupid law enforcement folks.  Nothing super romantic because of the tone of the show, but enough to give me some hope.

Edited June 3, 2015 by KaveDweller

[FlickerToAFlame]

Adorable video of Stana and a friend (co-star?):

https://instagram.com/p/3eh3CCFO9z/

[KaveDweller]

Why the assumption that having worked on The Following means anything at all? All it means is that Alexi likes working with these people. Dara left to go work on Jane the Virgin. Would we assume she can't write that kind of show because she worked on Castle?

 

The point of being a writer is that you can write anything from the soapiest of soaps to a hardcore procedural. Yes some write some genre's better or maybe enjoy it more but shouldn't stick them in a box.

I don't think looking at a writer's past work is putting them in a box though. It's just general speculation about the only information we have. Of course they can write other genres (if they are a decent writer anyway), but we can't talk about what they haven't done yet.

[Nadine]

Yeah Rob had already shown he could write drama when he did Detroit 1-8-7. He's a good example to use for being able to write comedy/drama, another one is David Grae - wrote a bad Gilmore Girls script but now is excelling over at Madam Secretary. 

 

So the new writers are Nancy Kiu, Robert Bella, Barry O'Brien and another female writer (my initial guess was Shannon Goss or Michal Zebede but I think they went from Revenge to other shows).

Edited June 4, 2015 by Nadine

[FlickerToAFlame]

According to Bella's Twitter, it is Michal.

[verdana]

Thanks Hal. So he was a gofer basically.

 

Here's the full list of writers then for S8 (I've linked the twitter address of the new intakes to their name):

 

Terence Paul Winter - showrunner

Alexi Hawley - showrunner

Jim Adler 

Robert Bella - new (IMDB bio)

Chad Creasey

Adam Frost

Rob Hanning 

Nancy Kiu - new (IMDB bio) 

Barry O'Brien - new (IMDB bio) 

Christine Roum (presume she's staying)

Michal Zebede - new (IMDB bio)

 

Writers' Assistants:
Stephanie Hicks 

Nick Hurwitz - new (IMDB bio)

Cooper McMains - new?

Rob Schow - new? 

 

The above list was taken from Sandraxf who has kindly put all their twitter details on for everyone, seems the only sane person is Christine Roum heh. 

https://twitter.com/Sandraxf/status/606340213456138240

 

What I noticed reading their bio's is that aside from O'Brien the majority of them haven't done much actual writing, I figure they're cheap to hire and keen to work (whether it's long or short term is immaterial) to get more experience and that's presumably a factor along with them knowing Hawley. 

Edited June 4, 2015 by verdana