solotrek March 27, 2014 Share March 27, 2014 (edited) A new place to carry on our Stargate discussions regarding our favorite SG team and their world. Edited March 27, 2014 by maculae Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1988-putting-the-hi-in-hieroglyphics/
Idiotboy March 27, 2014 Share March 27, 2014 This afternoon I read the sad news about TwoP, where I had made many SG-1 related friendships. May they continue on our new home. I only regret that I have been away from the thread for so many years and thus missed out on a countless amount of fun. You guys are the best. I look forward to renewed discussion of my favorite TV show ever, its Fab Four, St. George and (of course) the Little Doc. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1988-putting-the-hi-in-hieroglyphics/#findComment-6180
solotrek March 27, 2014 Author Share March 27, 2014 the Little Doc. This is the best nickname I have ever heard for good ol' Dr. Frasier. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1988-putting-the-hi-in-hieroglyphics/#findComment-6198
stillshimpy March 27, 2014 Share March 27, 2014 To get this thread moving, someone ought to start debating the worth (or lack thereof) of Jonas Quinn as a character. That's always good for some 'gate talk. To conjure Codger, we will need Daniel's Butt. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1988-putting-the-hi-in-hieroglyphics/#findComment-6211
Idiotboy March 27, 2014 Share March 27, 2014 Jonas Quinn? Surely you mean Tintin. It would unchivalrous to comment on his value considering the lack of ideas TPTB had for him. 'Probie' in "The Changeling" was like a meta-comment on his entire tenure. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1988-putting-the-hi-in-hieroglyphics/#findComment-6221
stillshimpy March 27, 2014 Share March 27, 2014 Well and Chris Judge wrote The Changeling so it achieved some new level of Meta. Writers and Castmates alike wondered what to do with him. Plus, since that was all part of Teal'c's fever dream and it had him wearing a "new guy" apron, I think we broke the meta-statement-meter with that one. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1988-putting-the-hi-in-hieroglyphics/#findComment-6321
solotrek March 28, 2014 Author Share March 28, 2014 I'm sorry, but what is a Jonas Quinn? Don't know who you're talking about. Nope. Never happened. Seriously though, I don't think the character could be more bland. I know TPTB got a lot of flack from the Atlantis cast for not letting them have any say in regards to their characters, but holy hell Corin Namec ruined it for them. On top of that TPTB, instead of using the opportunity to shake up the team dynamics and create a brand new character, made Daniel 2.0. He became everything Daniel was in a few episodes, just needed a lot more food to do it. I did like the touch of Jack not accepting Jonas for the entire year. Not only was he the audiences' proxy but it also rang true for his character. I'm not the biggest Daniel fan but I was glad he came back. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1988-putting-the-hi-in-hieroglyphics/#findComment-6535
theredhead77 March 28, 2014 Share March 28, 2014 To conjure Codger, we will need Daniel's Butt. Daniel's butt. Daniel's butt. Daniel's butt. (It does work like Beetlejuice don'tchaknow!) 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1988-putting-the-hi-in-hieroglyphics/#findComment-6679
Guest March 28, 2014 Share March 28, 2014 To get this thread moving, someone ought to start debating the worth (or lack thereof) of Jonas Quinn as a character. Jonas Quinn's absolute fail must have been a secret conspiracy by the producers/writers to convince the network to give Shanks a pay raise to lure him back, There is no way to botch something so completely unless it was on purpose. Oh wait, SGU. Did I mention that Jonas Quinn is the reason why Mitchell was such a complete SG1 fanboy. Why yes I have, many times. And just because I have to, who was the brain trust that came up with the idea to introduce Jonas as culpable in Daniel's death and besmirching his memory? Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1988-putting-the-hi-in-hieroglyphics/#findComment-6774
solotrek March 28, 2014 Author Share March 28, 2014 who was the brain trust that came up with the idea to introduce Jonas as culpable in Daniel's death and besmirching his memory? Indeed. Introducing a new character by having him be involved in the death of a much loved character is dumb but could still work. By making him an exact duplicate of the person he's supposed to be replacing and making him nothing else but a glutton was not what they needed to do. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1988-putting-the-hi-in-hieroglyphics/#findComment-6910
Guest March 28, 2014 Share March 28, 2014 By making him an exact duplicate of the person he's supposed to be replacing and making him nothing else but a glutton was not what they needed to do. And making Jonas so brilliant that he absorbed, by osmosis, the knowledge Daniel had spent a lifetime earning just added insult to injury. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1988-putting-the-hi-in-hieroglyphics/#findComment-6927
Sheena March 28, 2014 Share March 28, 2014 Yay Stargate SG1 board! Daniel's butt. Daniel's butt. Daniel's butt. (It does work like Beetlejuice don'tchaknow!) Oh my gosh, and the arms... THE ARMS... and the smile... *melts* There is no way to botch something so completely unless it was on purpose. Oh wait, SGU. Buuuuuurn! So true, too. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1988-putting-the-hi-in-hieroglyphics/#findComment-6957
solotrek March 28, 2014 Author Share March 28, 2014 I kind of wish we saw more of mini-Jack or got to hear from him or about him. The ending of Fragile Balance was pretty pervey - 50 year old mind in a teenage body still oggling teenage girls? I want to know what he's doing now. Did he join the Air Force? Does he get to join the SGC? Or maybe he went to Annapolis or West Point. Maybe he was so fascinated by what Carter or Daniel were doing he's a scientist or researcher of some sort. I want to know dammit. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1988-putting-the-hi-in-hieroglyphics/#findComment-7029
TVSpectator March 28, 2014 Share March 28, 2014 (edited) I kind of wish we saw more of mini-Jack or got to hear from him or about him. The ending of Fragile Balance was pretty pervey - 50 year old mind in a teenage body still oggling teenage girls? I want to know what he's doing now. Did he join the Air Force? Does he get to join the SGC? Or maybe he went to Annapolis or West Point. Maybe he was so fascinated by what Carter or Daniel were doing he's a scientist or researcher of some sort. I want to know dammit. That would be for the fanfiction (IMHO, you gotta save some for the imagination). Edited March 28, 2014 by TVSpectator Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1988-putting-the-hi-in-hieroglyphics/#findComment-7051
Guest March 28, 2014 Share March 28, 2014 That would be for the fanfiction (IMHO, you gotta save some for the imagination). I went to look at SG1 fanfiction once and what I found funny was that if you sort by popularity a huge portion of SG-1 fan-fiction is about one or the other team member being transformed into children of varying ages and being raised by various couplings of other team members. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1988-putting-the-hi-in-hieroglyphics/#findComment-7200
theredhead77 March 28, 2014 Share March 28, 2014 It's not quite the follow-up requested but this is about Fragile Balance, MS3K style Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1988-putting-the-hi-in-hieroglyphics/#findComment-7221
anstar March 28, 2014 Share March 28, 2014 I see familiar names! Yay. Starting off with Jonas Quinn, Boo. Writer's hubris doomed that whole debacle. Thinking they could just plug someone in, give him MS's lines and have it prefaced with "According to Dr. Jackson's notes" and the audience wouldn't notice? Or maybe, care. Bad writers. Making him a part of the death of the character he was replacing, and an unrepentant part at that, only made it worse. I never forgave Quinn for telling Jack that he couldn't clear Daniel's name on the planet of the idiots, even if he wanted to. If Daniel's butt doesn't conjure Codger, maybe Vala will. He always loved his Raven Haired Goddess. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1988-putting-the-hi-in-hieroglyphics/#findComment-7355
marina to March 28, 2014 Share March 28, 2014 (edited) anstar, we didn't start with Jonas. We started at the appropriate place - Daniel's butt. However, I wish there was a spell to keep Vala away. Edited March 28, 2014 by marina to Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1988-putting-the-hi-in-hieroglyphics/#findComment-7985
CatTDragon March 28, 2014 Share March 28, 2014 Jonas was terrible. But they kept telling us over and over that he was better than Daniel. He learned everything he did and was more advanced and blah blah blah. Plus he was involved in Daniel's death, didn't show any remorse, but he was so much better and more evolved. I can't believe how bitter I still am about that and that so long ago now. Man I am old. I never commented on TWOP forum for this show and I don't know why, because I love this show and I loved that site. I was just reading the old forum over there, and it is really nice to know that I wasn't the only one that hated SGU. I loved SG1 and Atlantis, but I couldn't get past 2 episodes of SGU. So hello people! Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1988-putting-the-hi-in-hieroglyphics/#findComment-8410
stillshimpy March 28, 2014 Share March 28, 2014 (edited) Oh good point about Codger. Vala's butt! Vala's butt! Vala's butt! Codger!! It's like a Codger lure. We can humanely trap him when he pokes his head in. Someone's also going to need to find elle, particularly if DanJan gets mentioned. Edited March 28, 2014 by stillshimpy Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1988-putting-the-hi-in-hieroglyphics/#findComment-8441
Idiotboy March 28, 2014 Share March 28, 2014 Talking about Jonas and Vala is like watching The Show (as I always called it) slowly circle the drain. I remember watching Prometheus Unbound and thinking this Vala character didn't bode well for Sam's future on the show -- and she didn't. Plus she was the unwitting carrier of the B'Ori (and also a lot of forced comedy and sexual innuendo). We still got a few great episodes, like Ripple Effect and The Road Not Taken but not enough of them. Some people I respect -- including my wife -- loved Vala but she always set my teeth on edge, except as a super-baddie in Stargate Continuum. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1988-putting-the-hi-in-hieroglyphics/#findComment-8677
solotrek March 28, 2014 Author Share March 28, 2014 Some people I respect -- including my wife -- loved Vala but she always set my teeth on edge, except as a super-baddie in Stargate Continuum. I did think that Vala had great chemistry with Daniel originally. I wish she would have been more like Martouf or Doc Frasier: there when the story needed her there but not the story written to have to have her there - and maybe die at some point. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1988-putting-the-hi-in-hieroglyphics/#findComment-8697
theredhead77 March 28, 2014 Share March 28, 2014 Oh good point about Codger. Vala's butt! Vala's butt! Vala's butt! Codger!! It's like a Codger lure. We can humanely trap him when he pokes his head in. Someone's also going to need to find elle, particularly if DanJan gets mentioned. I love this rallying of the troops. And I thought it was Daniel's butt that summonsed Codger. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1988-putting-the-hi-in-hieroglyphics/#findComment-8805
anstar March 29, 2014 Share March 29, 2014 And I thought it was Daniel's butt that summonsed Codger. It is, but since he often bemoaned being Google linked to Daniel's butt, and was head over heels for Vala, I thought I'd try that. Shimpy, I'm tickled by the idea of Vala as a "humane" trap, given how so many (not me) found her presence torturous. :) Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1988-putting-the-hi-in-hieroglyphics/#findComment-9403
TVSpectator March 29, 2014 Share March 29, 2014 I went to look at SG1 fanfiction once and what I found funny was that if you sort by popularity a huge portion of SG-1 fan-fiction is about one or the other team member being transformed into children of varying ages and beingraised by various couplings of other team members. I usually go to fanfiction.net and head over to the crossovers section to read about how the BSG Colonies battle the Stargate SG-1/SGA teams (and sometimes an SGU reference sneaks up). The pairings that I see over there are the usual Sam/Jack pairing but Jennifer would usually be dead (in the beginning of the story) and you can fill in the rest in. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1988-putting-the-hi-in-hieroglyphics/#findComment-10200
marina to March 31, 2014 Share March 31, 2014 Com'trya CatTDragon! Idiotboy, I've missed you. Can we become the mini-brain? I can hold down the DanJan boat until elle gets here. Maculae, I agree about how Vala should have been used. I never liked her much but in small doses she could have been really effective. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1988-putting-the-hi-in-hieroglyphics/#findComment-12846
Joe March 31, 2014 Share March 31, 2014 Hi, all. I'm FoolishWanderer over on TWOP, but I came to really dislike that name. I go by Joe in real life, it's good enough for online. I fully expect to post here as often as I ever did over there. :) And it's good to see some familiar names. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1988-putting-the-hi-in-hieroglyphics/#findComment-13095
stillshimpy March 31, 2014 Share March 31, 2014 Good to see you too, Joe :) That is a lot easier to type, too, so there's that as a bonus. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1988-putting-the-hi-in-hieroglyphics/#findComment-13729
TVSpectator March 31, 2014 Share March 31, 2014 It's not quite the follow-up requested but this is about Fragile Balance, MS3K style Why, thank you for posting this, but is there any Jack/Daniel in it? Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1988-putting-the-hi-in-hieroglyphics/#findComment-14523
theredhead77 March 31, 2014 Share March 31, 2014 Why, thank you for posting this, but is there any Jack/Daniel in it? The "audience" has some things to say about it. Jack's a kid though, so... Also, I started a thread for the April re-watch. If people hate the name it should be changed. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1988-putting-the-hi-in-hieroglyphics/#findComment-14537
Sheena April 1, 2014 Share April 1, 2014 I went to look at SG1 fanfiction once and what I found funny was that if you sort by popularity a huge portion of SG-1 fan-fiction is about one or the other team member being transformed into children of varying ages and being raised by various couplings of other team members. Yeah, I think the most common one I've seen is either pairing up Teen!Jack/Teen!Daniel, or Teen!Jack/Teen!Sam, depending on who is writing it, and then having them take off in to the wild blue yonder. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1988-putting-the-hi-in-hieroglyphics/#findComment-14590
BigBeagle April 1, 2014 Share April 1, 2014 Nice to see so many familiar faces here. BTW, if Codger won't show up to talk about Vala's butt, I'll be more than happy to. :-) 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1988-putting-the-hi-in-hieroglyphics/#findComment-14593
Idiotboy April 1, 2014 Share April 1, 2014 Nice to reunite, marina to. I agree we should form a "mini-brain" (even if it brings up associations of Winnie the Pooh). 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1988-putting-the-hi-in-hieroglyphics/#findComment-16579
anstar April 2, 2014 Share April 2, 2014 Are we bringing the ships over? The Spoon, The Barge, The SS Vala Rules (Marina To, please don't throw things at me) :) What else? The Tin Can't. That's all I can remember. It's been too many years. Well, the Iron Maiden, but she's been decommissioned. No spoilers to avoid anymore. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1988-putting-the-hi-in-hieroglyphics/#findComment-17085
theredhead77 April 2, 2014 Share April 2, 2014 Well, the Iron Maiden, but she's been decommissioned. No spoilers to avoid anymore. You didn't read that article?? The one that talks about APRIL FOOLS (hey, it's only 2110 in CA) You guys should start threads for your ships. And maybe a thread on Threads. That's always a fun topic! Who will win the battle of the USS Jack and Sam vs the USS Jack and Daniel vs the USS Jan and Dan vs the USS Daniel and Sam? Poor Teal'c. Or not, he's seen enough war in his lifetime. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1988-putting-the-hi-in-hieroglyphics/#findComment-17157
anstar April 2, 2014 Share April 2, 2014 :p theredhead7, that was mean. a spoiler bar in referenence to the Iron Maiden. (Funny though.) The nice thing about our previous home is that there weren't a lot of "wars", and the ones we had were pretty tame. For the most part, all the ships, dinghies, barges, rafts, etc. floated along in relative harmony. Ah, the glory day. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1988-putting-the-hi-in-hieroglyphics/#findComment-18557
stillshimpy April 3, 2014 Share April 3, 2014 Hey, can someone reach out to elle, please? My poor PM system over on TWoP is teetering on the point of being filled to capacity at all times, at present, or I'd do it. I will owe you chocolate and I promise to shine the hull of your favorite ship as a thank you. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1988-putting-the-hi-in-hieroglyphics/#findComment-19379
marina to April 3, 2014 Share April 3, 2014 (edited) I kinda don't want to separate the ships off into different threads. I really liked that the one thread forced us into wide-ranging discussion. Can anyone post the link to TotaltvAddict's lexicon? We really need to reinstate the cabana boys/girls. I never really used DM on TWoP, so let me try elle and TtvA. Added: I know the mods here want us to make many threads but I'm really hoping there's a way we can keep our single-thread discussion. I kinda hate how everyone gets siphoned off into various threads. Since our show is dead and we few (we happy few, we band of brothers) I would love to keep everyone together and talk about everything to do with the show. It was the best thing about us. Edited April 3, 2014 by marina to Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1988-putting-the-hi-in-hieroglyphics/#findComment-19846
anstar April 3, 2014 Share April 3, 2014 I much prefer the one thread too. I just get lost in lots of little ones. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1988-putting-the-hi-in-hieroglyphics/#findComment-20514
radishcake April 4, 2014 Share April 4, 2014 Hi guys! I'm going to reclassify this topic as general discussion and open a new one for small talk. :D 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1988-putting-the-hi-in-hieroglyphics/#findComment-20581
anstar April 4, 2014 Share April 4, 2014 Yay! Thank you so much. :) 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1988-putting-the-hi-in-hieroglyphics/#findComment-20712
elle April 4, 2014 Share April 4, 2014 Com'trya! I must thank marina to to alerting me to this forum! I am happy to have discover SG1 on the THIS channel. I just have a problem remembering when it is on. By the way, does anyone else think that is Tony Amendola as the "sage" worried about missing the game in the Xfinity commerical? Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1988-putting-the-hi-in-hieroglyphics/#findComment-21983
Idiotboy April 4, 2014 Share April 4, 2014 When classifying the various ships it is most important not to forget the U.S.S. Sam/Janet. True, we SamJan slashers are few -- but loyal. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1988-putting-the-hi-in-hieroglyphics/#findComment-22052
stillshimpy April 4, 2014 Share April 4, 2014 elle, hurray there you are! Glad you made it over :-) Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1988-putting-the-hi-in-hieroglyphics/#findComment-22101
anstar April 5, 2014 Share April 5, 2014 Feels like we're getting the band back together. Someone needs to drag Codger in here by his ear. I suggest Mitchell's grandmother. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1988-putting-the-hi-in-hieroglyphics/#findComment-22336
elle April 5, 2014 Share April 5, 2014 Someone's also going to need to find elle, particularly if DanJan gets mentioned. I missed this earlier, stillshimpy, thanks for watching out for me and my favorite ship. And for holding "the * door" :0) I much prefer the one thread too. I just get lost in lots of little ones. I do too, anstar. I enjoy the ease of conversation that we have going from one topic to another. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1988-putting-the-hi-in-hieroglyphics/#findComment-23113
stillshimpy April 6, 2014 Share April 6, 2014 (edited) I'm cool with the multiple threads. It's like anything, it just takes some getting used to, plus it's a little less intimidating than one thread, that will eventually become gigantic in most cases, you know? I was aware there was a TWoP Stargate thread, but at the time I was posting on a different SG forum (not Gateworld) and it got freaking mean towards Amanda Tapping (which caused me to turn a delicate shade of fire engine, burning-down-the-house red-crimson-scarlett-brick and all red hues in between, so I was trying to find a different forum). It took me over a year to even look in the TWoP thread because it was just so.damned.long and after the battering experience elsewhere (I should add this was at the height of the Pete relationship and people lost their minds over it) . Now obviously, I eventually did and you poor folks have been stuck with me ever since, but there is a downside to the One.Big.Thread approach in my personal experience. Plus, since we now have what amounts to a Meet Market, elle and I can openly discuss our unholy love for the original Wargames movie without pulling the whole place into an off-topic vortex. elle, I'm so sorry that my inability to keep my PM box empty enough over there to allow for communication got in the way, but I'm glad you're here and thank you, marina_to for helping! Edited April 6, 2014 by stillshimpy Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1988-putting-the-hi-in-hieroglyphics/#findComment-24046
marina to April 6, 2014 Share April 6, 2014 (edited) Part of the reason the TWoP thread got so long was because we were watching new episodes. Pages of speculation, followed by pages of episode reaction, followed by pages of episode debate, rinse and repeat. With all that out of the way and with the new rewatch and meet market threads, one general discussion thread should be quite manageable and keep our community together. We could probably have a fan fic thread for links as well. Heck, I've got a Lifeboat story (Dan/Jan flavoured) I've never published to christen it with if you guys want. And we really need a lexicon thread, pin or something. Anyone have the original link? elle and stillshrimpy, glad to help. Now we need to get The Brain here. And whatever happened to buttersister? Edited April 6, 2014 by marina to Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1988-putting-the-hi-in-hieroglyphics/#findComment-24424
stillshimpy April 6, 2014 Share April 6, 2014 (edited) With all that out of the way and with the new rewatch and meet market threads, one general discussion thread should be quite manageable and keep our community together. But that's not what they're going to do here, marina to. There isn't going to be one thread so since it's what we're going to be doing, I was just looking for the upside on why it's a good change of pace. I think we'll get used to it easily and even learn to dig it. And we really need a lexicon thread, pin or something. Anyone have the original link? Hold on, let me see if I can find it. Here you go, clicky clicky for Lexicon Edited April 6, 2014 by stillshimpy fixed quote Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1988-putting-the-hi-in-hieroglyphics/#findComment-24492
marina to April 7, 2014 Share April 7, 2014 (edited) stillshrimpy, thanks for the link. Can we put it in a place of prominence for everyone? I'm suggesting a structure of the forum. When I was active on the Smallville forum, I saw how a large structure splintered people into silos and I want to prevent that here. Why not discuss a compromise that satisfies the overall feel of the site yet allows us to retain what made this such a great community? Edited April 7, 2014 by marina to Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1988-putting-the-hi-in-hieroglyphics/#findComment-24592
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