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Aaron Hotchner: High and Tight

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KFC
KFC

I think kicking someone and resorting to physical violence on multiple occasions is way more childish than passive-aggressive, vaguely worded Instagram posts.

FormerMod-a1
FormerMod-a1

Where's the same compassion and consideration for the other guy, the producer? Rather than saying he was to blame as the provoker, why not the same sympathies? 

FormerMod-a1
FormerMod-a1

This is a workplace though, not a clinic or hospital or therapist's office.  You don't keep your other employees in harm's way while you analyze and understand.  

normasm

normasm

When I started watching CM (I'm a late comer, about season 6), I did it because someone pointed out the beautiful MGG. I was, of course, mostly seeing reruns of earlier seasons, in a haphazard way on two different channels. Anyway, I loved Reid immediately, liked the old Garcia, didn't have much for JJ or Morgan, was supremely annoyed by Gideon, but grew to really look for Hotch. I loved him with Reid, but I also found him interesting on his own. He was one of the better written characters, and TG brought him to life. And I love the way TG has changed him over the years, from bossy but sometimes light-hearted to dark and brooding because of all the hell he's been through. Even through inconsistent and sometimes non-existent writing for Hotch, TG has managed to make him a true character with a logical arc. 

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Danielg342

Danielg342

1 hour ago, Hotchgirl18 said:

By the way, how am I supposed to like something?

Well, first you sacrifice your firstborn to the gods. Then you find the square derivative of 293213719713937912...twice. Then you solve the "P vs. NP" problem. Then you answer the Sphinx's old riddle, before hopping the alligator pit.

Or you just do as @ReidFan says. :P

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Hotchgirl18

Hotchgirl18

4 minutes ago, Danielg342 said:

Well, first you sacrifice your firstborn to the gods. Then you find the square derivative of 293213719713937912...twice. Then you solve the "P vs. NP" problem. Then you answer the Sphinx's old riddle, before hopping the alligator pit.

Or you just do as @ReidFan says. :P

I got it now. Thanks. And I'm not gonna find a derivative. I'm a musician, not a mathematician. 

Back to Hotch. Still wanna be one of his unsubs. 

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Hotchgirl18

Hotchgirl18

7 minutes ago, Danielg342 said:

Well, music IS math.

...but, I digress. It's a lot more fun thinking about Hotch and his, ahem, interrogations.

"You just couldn't stop until you robbed them of all their dignity, now could you? Well, I'm going to show you exactly what you put them through."

And then, I'd say, "Why don't you?" You know challenge him. Make him angrier....yeah...we might need to take this to the pm. :D 

normasm

normasm

Strength, of course, but he's gentle, too. And, as you would expect from a top-notch profiler, he knows what people's best qualities are, like Reid. Unlike Gideon, Hotch never seemed/seems to use that brain without appreciating the person who owns it. He didn't expect less from the women members of the team just because they were women. Plus, he was/is very sexy. 

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Hotchgirl18

Hotchgirl18

17 minutes ago, normasm said:

Strength, of course, but he's gentle, too. And, as you would expect from a top-notch profiler, he knows what people's best qualities are, like Reid. Unlike Gideon, Hotch never seemed/seems to use that brain without appreciating the person who owns it. He didn't expect less from the women members of the team just because they were women. Plus, he was/is very sexy. 

He is very sexy. And I'll always refer to him in the present tense. Hotch appreciated Reid a hell of a lot more than Gideon ever did.

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Droogie

Droogie

Hotch was unshakeable.  He bent the rules, yes, but he inspired such faith that you just knew that if he said it was ok, then it was ok.  If he bent the rules, they needed bending.  He was the show's moral compass -- that's been one of the problems this season, that the BAU's stoic, upright center, is gone.  I love Emily Prentiss, but she has not yet brought her Unit Chief identity to the role (in large part bc it has not yet been written for her). 

I see comments occasionally that Hotch was boring, a one-note character.  My gosh, I couldn't disagree more.  Especially if you watched from S1, you saw the evolution of Hotch, you saw what made him tick, what inspired him and what defeated him.  A great failing of the show is that Mr. Scratch was not the S10 finale and that at least part of S11 wasn't devoted to what actually happened to him during their time together.  That episode was brilliant --I think there were just no accidents in it.  The order in which he saw his subordinates gunned down... so much untapped potential.  The entirety of S11 (at least the B sides) could've been potentially devoted to the fallout without exhausting the material.  

A favorite aspect of Hotch's character was that, despite all his tight-assed FBI posturing, you could see the genuine love and respect he had for every single member of his team.  Hotch was the embodiment of "still waters."  He knew what made them tick, he knew where they fell short, and he knew where they excelled.  I think he truly loved his team and would've (and did) done anything for any of them -- and he knew they "got" him, which probably contributed to the demise of his marriage, because Haley just did not (Hotch being the proverbial "bad husband," perhaps the chink in his armor). 

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Hotchgirl18

Hotchgirl18

3 minutes ago, Droogie said:

Hotch was unshakeable.  He bent the rules, yes, but he inspired such faith that you just knew that if he said it was ok, then it was ok.  If he bent the rules, they needed bending.  He was the show's moral compass -- that's been one of the problems this season, that the BAU's stoic, upright center, is gone.  I love Emily Prentiss, but she has not yet brought her Unit Chief identity to the role (in large part bc it has not yet been written for her). 

I see comments occasionally that Hotch was boring, a one-note character.  My gosh, I couldn't disagree more.  Especially if you watched from S1, you saw the evolution of Hotch, you saw what made him tick, what inspired him and what defeated him.  A great failing of the show is that Mr. Scratch was not the S10 finale and that at least part of S11 wasn't devoted to what actually happened to him during their time together.  That episode was brilliant --I think there were just no accidents in it.  The order in which he saw his subordinates gunned down... so much untapped potential.  The entirety of S11 (at least the B sides) could've been potentially devoted to the fallout without exhausting the material.  

A favorite aspect of Hotch's character was that, despite all his tight-assed FBI posturing, you could see the genuine love and respect he had for every single member of his team.  Hotch was the embodiment of "still waters."  He knew what made them tick, he knew where they fell short, and he knew where they excelled.  I think he truly loved his team and would've (and did) done anything for any of them -- and he knew they "got" him, which probably contributed to the demise of his marriage, because Haley just did not (Hotch being the proverbial "bad husband," perhaps the chink in his armor). 

This. All of this. He is the center of the show. He inspires his team! And I think Mr. Scratch should've been the finale to season 10. And the Storm was good too. But, my GOD, we should've KNOWN what happened to him! There should've been an arc about the fallout. You said it with: untapped potential. 

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Droogie

Droogie

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4 minutes ago, normasm said:

I do think, in Hayley's defense, she needed other things from him. She "got" him from high school, so she knew him over a loooooooong time, and people change and mature, and grow, and sometimes retard (please hear that in the true, non-rude, meaning of that word).

Oh yes, definitely.  She married the boy who was gonna be a prosecutor, and later perhaps director of the FBI (which is why I think Strauss hated him initially, but I digress). She didn't bargain for the crazed serial killer chaser, disappearing at all hours to look at the worst things humans can do to each other.  She perhaps envisioned cocktail parties and picking up paint at Lowe's on the weekends.

Gosh, I need sleep.  But when one thinks about stress outlets, and what Hotch probably needed from Hailey sometimes, I can fanwank that he at times would come at her with an intensity that was overwhelming and even scary, when she was just trying to accumulate teething biscuit recipes and coordinate play dates.

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Hotchgirl18

Hotchgirl18

2 minutes ago, Droogie said:

Oh yes, definitely.  She married the boy who was gonna be a prosecutor, and later perhaps director of the FBI (which is why I think Strauss hated him initially, but I digress). She didn't bargain for the crazed serial killer chaser, disappearing at all hours to look at the worst things humans can do to each other.  She perhaps envisioned cocktail parties and picking up paint at Lowe's on the weekends.

Gosh, I need sleep.  But when one thinks about stress outlets, and what Hotch probably needed from Hailey sometimes, I can fanwank that he at times would come at her with an intensity that was overwhelming and even scary, when she was just trying to accumulate teething biscuit recipes and coordinate play dates.

Now, if someone can come at me with that much intensity, that would be great! Oh look, a flying pig! ?

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normasm

normasm

He has said he wants to do comedy. I guess i'd like to see him get some meaty 5-year project like Bryan Cranston did in Breaking Bad. Bryan got to be comedic (all I had ever seen him do up to that point), or at least comic-tinged, and as the show went on, his character became darker and darker. I know TG could do all of that, if the writers were good, as they were in Breaking Bad.

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Hotchgirl18

Hotchgirl18

2 hours ago, normasm said:

He has said he wants to do comedy. I guess i'd like to see him get some meaty 5-year project like Bryan Cranston did in Breaking Bad. Bryan got to be comedic (all I had ever seen him do up to that point), or at least comic-tinged, and as the show went on, his character became darker and darker. I know TG could do all of that, if the writers were good, as they were in Breaking Bad.

Most definitely. With good writers, he  can do anything.

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Hotchgirl18

Hotchgirl18

3 minutes ago, Droogie said:

Piping in with a big yes!  Ambiguously good, or something like that.

I think of Ray Donovan, who is really hardly good, but he has somethings he will not compromise -- I'd like to see TG do something like that, except maybe throw a couple of morals in.

Villains are sexy and I think TG would be really attractive in one of those roles. 

Hmm. Maybe a corrupt version of Aaron Hotchner?

normasm

normasm

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Maybe I'm just a Pollyanna, but I don't like the psychopaths and sociopaths. I like the chivalrous knights like Spencer. I agree villains are often more interesting, but my criterion in this case (the fantasy world) is whom would I want to be with, whom would I want to love me? Not some killer/rapist/reaper dude. 

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Hotchgirl18

Hotchgirl18

8 minutes ago, normasm said:

Maybe I'm just a Pollyanna, but I don't like the psychopaths and sociopaths. I like the chivalrous knights like Spencer. I agree villains are often more interesting, but my criterion in this case (the fantasy world) is whom would I want to be with, whom would I want to love me? Not some killer/rapist/reaper dude. 

Psychopaths and sociopaths are interesting. And I think TG has the glare and the voice to pull it off. I think he could be very aggressive and dark. And that equals attractive in my book. 

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