AimingforYoko March 26 Share March 26 Quote When a serial killer terrorizes the streets of New York, the city needs a savior. Expand Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152608-s01e06-excessive-force/
Morrigan2575 March 26 Share March 26 I really liked this episode. We basically have Matt and Fisk taking off their masks and finally being their real identity. I enjoyed the Daredevil/Muse fight, I imagine the rematch will be Epic. The Kingpin/Adam fight was great, not for the style, just the sheer brutality of Kingpin letting loose. Was the Snobby mustache guy talking to Fisk the same dude from Hawkeye? If so, I'm enjoying the tie-ins to other Marvel shows without overshadowing Daredevil. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152608-s01e06-excessive-force/#findComment-8617024
dwmarch March 26 Share March 26 Finally, the show called Daredevil has some Daredevil in it! While I enjoy Matt's adventures in helping the helpless and stopping random bank robberies, it is nice to see him realize that ~60 murders might not have happened if he was out on the streets doing his thing. He did about half a day of research and managed to find Muse's lair. Did Muse kill those two girls on the spot, drag them back to his lair to get the blood and then drag the bodies back to the mural? I see from how he tussles that he is mad strong but that's a little much. Also, it looked like those same bodies were still hanging up in the lair at the end of the episode. Nice to see Tony Dalton's smug Swordsman again. And of course he trash talks the idea of going after vigilantes! Nicely done. I thought Yusuf was a little bit shoehorned in last episode but we saw at least some overlap between Swordsman and Fisk in Hawkeye. Also nice to see that the Tracksuit Mafia remains as dumb as they ever were. Does Heather straight up know that Matt is Daredevil? Nice to see she's still around, I thought she was going to be one of Muse's victims by now. From first aid training I know that a human being can lose about a litre of blood before it is fatal. I think the Ayala girl was getting pretty close there. Matt's CPR was not the best. Or maybe I missed the lesson where you were supposed to get frustrated and just pound on the victim's chest to get their heart going again. Does young miss Ayala not know that her uncle's amulet could give her magical powers? Might have been a nice thing to bring along. I thought Fisk won the cops over too quickly. I guess they do like what he's selling but I feel like they'd still be cynical enough to have some doubts instead of a rousing round of "HELL YEAH"s. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152608-s01e06-excessive-force/#findComment-8617025
Raja March 26 Share March 26 On 3/26/2025 at 3:59 AM, Morrigan2575 said: I really liked this episode. We basically have Matt and Fisk taking off their masks and finally being their real identity. I enjoyed the Daredevil/Muse fight, I imagine the rematch will be Epic. The Kingpin/Adam fight was great, not for the style, just the sheer brutality of Kingpin letting loose. Was the Snobby mustache guy talking to Fisk the same dude from Hawkeye? If so, I'm enjoying the tie-ins to other Marvel shows without overshadowing Daredevil. Expand Snob is supposed to be the Swordsman and is from Hawkeye. Luka sensing weakness from Fisk is in for an awakening. Being public with the Mayor might be his ultimate defense but I think he will be a reborn Kingpin's first kill. An untouchable squad might be playing into the next season. This one was cut in half when they decided on a continuation instead of multiverse reboot series. Heather snarking on Matt showing part of his faith life doesn't seem to point to a lasting relationship. With Angela looking up I'm thinking Daredevil is back. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152608-s01e06-excessive-force/#findComment-8617028
Morrigan2575 March 26 Share March 26 On 3/26/2025 at 4:03 AM, dwmarch said: He did about half a day of research and managed to find Muse's lair Expand The girl basically told him where to look. On 3/26/2025 at 4:03 AM, dwmarch said: Does young miss Ayala not know that her uncle's amulet could give her magical powers? Might have been a nice thing to bring along. Expand Does it? I could have sworn Hector said it didn't have any special powers. I'm assuming show doesn't necessarily follow comics Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152608-s01e06-excessive-force/#findComment-8617033
Raja March 26 Share March 26 On 3/26/2025 at 4:18 AM, Morrigan2575 said: Does it? I could have sworn Hector said it didn't have any special powers. I'm assuming show doesn't necessarily follow comics Expand In court Matt acted like it was common MCU citizens knowledge that the amulet did something, perhaps like Ant-Man's suit gave him his powers. But the security camera footage of him in action didn't show anything like Steve Rogers equivalent or the strength of a tiger. But then returning the amulet to the family instead of the Department of Damage Control seizing it doesn't match with my prior statement. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152608-s01e06-excessive-force/#findComment-8617037
dwmarch March 26 Share March 26 "Why would he do this without the amulet that gives him extraordinary strength and power?" - Matt in 1x03 at about 31:35. 2 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152608-s01e06-excessive-force/#findComment-8617041
thuganomics85 March 26 Share March 26 Good old Jack Duquesne showing up to to take Fisk down a peg or two! Still love that they cast Tony Dalton in Hawkeye with the assumption most would assume he would be a villain due to Better Call Saul, and ends up being more on the side of good instead. Judging from that phone recording, it looks like he's doing a little bit of vigilantism as well! Actually not surprising that a lot of the wealthy citizens in NYC would turn their noses on Fisk, due to his history and not being like them in so many ways. And considering he lacks any social skills whatsoever, this might be a tougher than expected obstacle for him to overcome. But I'm guessing he'll either get by thanks to violence and corruption, or Vanessa will end up being the wild card since she seems to be better at playing the social game or at least reading people. Had a feeling Fisk was going to use Muse's killings to his advantage and sure enough, he's now created an anti-vigilante task force, made up of all corrupt cops (including good old Powell.) And is pretty much arming them with unlimited power and being unchecked on so many levels. Yeah, this is getting a little too realistic. I just hope Frank has something say about all of this. Angela might have had a rough go of it, but at least she's still alive and she inadvertently did something major: she led Matt to finally saying "Fuck it" and dawning the suit once more. Daredevil is back, baby! He was probably doomed no matter what, but Adam probably would have been better off attempting to just hightail it out of there. If a guy tosses you and axe and tells you to come at him, he's either a) crazy, b) has the ability to back up that arrogance, or c) both. Matt's scenes with Heather gave off the vibe that they setting things up for them to not work out. Just a lot of awkwardness there. I would pay money though to watch her attempt to interview Frank. There would probably be a lot of rants and expletives in that interview! 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152608-s01e06-excessive-force/#findComment-8617073
KittenPokerCheater March 26 Share March 26 That was a superbly directed and edited show. I cringed at the the violence- it was intense but it was supposed to be cringe worthy. I’m sorry the Muse got away, and glad that Adam is alive. I don’t understand why Kingpin can’t just Let. It. Go. It’s not like Adam will go anywhere near her again- he’d probably leave the country. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152608-s01e06-excessive-force/#findComment-8617157
Raja March 26 Share March 26 On 3/26/2025 at 1:16 PM, KittenPokerCheater said: I’m sorry the Muse got away, and glad that Adam is alive. I don’t understand why Kingpin can’t just Let. It. Go. It’s not like Adam will go anywhere near her again- he’d probably leave the country. Expand Because Fisk is a man who can't just let it go when Vanessa is in the mix. It wasn't business that made him take a guy's head with a car door it was that the guy embarrassed him in front of Vanessa that caused his most furious moment. On 3/26/2025 at 6:14 AM, thuganomics85 said: He was probably doomed no matter what, but Adam probably would have been better off attempting to just hightail it out of there. If a guy tosses you and axe and tells you to come at him, he's either a) crazy, b) has the ability to back up that arrogance, or c) both. Expand Of course, Wilson set up right in the doorway. It was go through him or just surrender without a fight. The promise that he made to Vanessa was probably the only thing that saved Adam from the Kingpin finishing move of the double hammer fist to the chest. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152608-s01e06-excessive-force/#findComment-8617196
tennisgurl March 27 Share March 27 There's our Daredevil, praying and then putting on his mask so that he can beat the shit out of a creepy bad guy, that's our guy. He even got to say "fuck it" and good for him. I really liked this episode, the comparisons between Matt and Fisk continue to grow as they both give in to their natures as their civilian masks start to crumble as things get worse around New York. To be at least a bit fair to Fisk, he does seem to be legitimately upset about the serial killer targeting random New Yorkers, but of course he also has to take this tragedy and turn it to his advantage and use it as an excuse to create his own little corrupt cop cult/task force to take down vigilantes. Interesting that more and more "man on the street" interviews are becoming pro vigilante, I feel like his hard stance against costumed heroes is going to bite him with the public by the end of the season. I really hope that Frank ends up confronting his creepy cop fanboys... I loved seeing Jacques Duquense return, I certainly didn't see that coming, I love this parade of supporting characters from around the MCU's television world, it makes the world seem so lived in. He apparently really did get into LARP after Hawkeye, he's off doing his own bit of costume hero-ing on the side, at this point there are more costumed heroes and vigilantes in NYC than sanitation workers, although both groups seem to be doing more to stop crime than the actual cops. The sanitation guys were better at finding an active and extremely prolific serial killer (60 victims!) who is literally covering the walls of the city with blood before the cops even realized that anything was up. The actress playing Angela is really good, I am excited to see her take on her uncles medallion and start fighting crime, maybe with Matt as a mentor. She clearly needs a lot more training, even with a magical necklace. Muse is so creepy, I am partially horrified that he escaped to wreck more havoc but also glad so that he can continue to be a creepy villain throughout the season. Too bad he's so deranged, his murals are actually really good. That fight between him and Daredevil was excellent, Matt really nails those close quarter fights. 2 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152608-s01e06-excessive-force/#findComment-8618557
Morrigan2575 March 27 Share March 27 On 3/27/2025 at 3:35 PM, tennisgurl said: The actress playing Angela is really good, I am excited to see her take on her uncles medallion and start fighting crime, maybe with Matt as a mentor. She clearly needs a lot more training, even with a magical necklace. Expand Not anytime soon I hope. She looks like a child, I assumed she was like 13 or 14. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152608-s01e06-excessive-force/#findComment-8618576
Raja March 27 Share March 27 On 3/27/2025 at 3:58 PM, Morrigan2575 said: Not anytime soon I hope. She looks like a child, I assumed she was like 13 or 14. Expand Peter Parker was 15 when he got bit and Kamala Khan was 16 when finding the bangles and/or mutant powers emerging. We have been told the amulet gives some kind of powers. We have the child soldier thing, which is probably why Peter's suit took over for "kill mode" 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152608-s01e06-excessive-force/#findComment-8618578
tennisgurl March 27 Share March 27 On 3/27/2025 at 3:58 PM, Morrigan2575 said: Not anytime soon I hope. She looks like a child, I assumed she was like 13 or 14. Expand I would normally agree, but as @Raja above said, Peter Parker was only 15 when he became Spier-Man and Kamala had just turned 16 when she became Miss Marvel (plus had her same aged friends as back up) and Marvel comics have a long history of teens and kids becoming superheroes, so there is certainly precedent. Granted, she doesn't have powers beyond presumably using her uncles amulet so she would need a lot of training, so maybe Matt can take her on as a sort of trainee/intern until she's a little older and more ready. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152608-s01e06-excessive-force/#findComment-8618598
Orbert March 27 Share March 27 On 3/26/2025 at 4:03 AM, dwmarch said: Did Muse kill those two girls on the spot, drag them back to his lair to get the blood and then drag the bodies back to the mural? I see from how he tussles that he is mad strong but that's a little much. Also, it looked like those same bodies were still hanging up in the lair at the end of the episode. Expand I wondered about that, too. I think they were trying to do a bit too much with the two girls and it just didn't add up. On 3/26/2025 at 6:14 AM, thuganomics85 said: Had a feeling Fisk was going to use Muse's killings to his advantage and sure enough, he's now created an anti-vigilante task force, made up of all corrupt cops (including good old Powell.) And is pretty much arming them with unlimited power and being unchecked on so many levels. Yeah, this is getting a little too realistic. Expand I have to keep reminding myself that this was all written and mostly filmed a year or two ago. Hopefully without getting too political, I'll just say that how it's all playing out has some interesting similarities to what I'm seeing in the news. The Muse is a serial killer, presented as a serial killer, and somehow Fisk calls him a vigilante and uses it as an excuse to form his "anti-vigilante task force" (or whatever TF he called it) which makes no sense. Then I remembered the aforementioned parallels to the news, and how everything can be spun, and if you've got nothing to spin, just make something up and spin that instead. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152608-s01e06-excessive-force/#findComment-8618617
Raja March 27 Share March 27 (edited) On 3/27/2025 at 4:29 PM, tennisgurl said: Peter Parker was only 15 when he became Spier-Man and Kamala had just turned 16 when she became Miss Marvel (plus had her same aged friends as back up) and Marvel comics have a long history of teens and kids becoming superheroes, so there is certainly precedent. Granted, she doesn't have powers beyond presumably using her uncles amulet so she would need a lot of training, so maybe Matt can take her on as a sort of trainee/intern until she's a little older and more ready. Expand Since its now canon and Jessica Henwick is credited with passing on Shang Chi to keep the Netflix Coleen Wing role, I say reward her loyalty. Just as they brought back Ayelet Zurer. The current Immortal Iron Fist with no Blip status on them, was basically running a prep school for The Hand in the Defenders Saga. Given Teenaged Mutant Ninja Turtles the entire Hand story might not really be "street level" but it is the other half of the Daredevil mythos. Source material wise the White Tiger is closely related to the Shang Chi, but they are in San Fransico. After being ignored for 5 years Simu Liu doesn't strike me as an actor who would "step down" to TV, even in a cameo role. Maybe if Shang Chi 2 is far enough along he would do a future Daredevil season to cross promote. Edited March 27 by Raja Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152608-s01e06-excessive-force/#findComment-8618618
Raja March 27 Share March 27 On 3/27/2025 at 3:35 PM, tennisgurl said: I loved seeing Jacques Duquense return, I certainly didn't see that coming, I love this parade of supporting characters from around the MCU's television world, it makes the world seem so lived in. He apparently really did get into LARP after Hawkeye, he's off doing his own bit of costume hero-ing on the side, at this point there are more costumed heroes and vigilantes in NYC than sanitation workers, although both groups seem to be doing more to stop crime than the actual cops. The sanitation guys were better at finding an active and extremely prolific serial killer (60 victims!) who is literally covering the walls of the city with blood before the cops even realized that anything was up. Expand When Mayor Fisk was going off on the police commissioner, about the Sanitation Department breaking that there was a serial killer case I was asking myself what was Detective Kim doing there. Besides ignore the Netflix shows extended list of cops, the real life reason so writers and actors would not get paid for their past contributions. So we had a character who the episode before was the backup hostage negotiator because the chief was on a local holiday, is now in a meeting with the P.C and the mayor. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152608-s01e06-excessive-force/#findComment-8618873
Kel Varnsen March 29 Share March 29 That episode was pretty good, nice to see Matt say fuck it. The fight in the train station was pretty awesome. Although I am curious to know who Muse is that he could hold his own with Matt. The task force is interesting, what with it being full of dirty cops. Although I just recently watched the series We Own This City (staring Jon Bernthal) and then read the book book. It was based on the true story of corrupt plainclothes police units, so I could easily see the task force going really bad really fast. The only thing that kind of bugged me a tiny bit was when Heather asked Matt about the vigilantes he has defended. Because I kept trying to figure out if he remembers anything about defending Peter Parker. Like I know he doesn't remember Peter, but is that time in his life like a blackout or does he remember someone else in place of Peter? On 3/27/2025 at 4:52 PM, Raja said: . After being ignored for 5 years Simu Liu doesn't strike me as an actor who would "step down" to TV, even in a cameo role. Maybe if Shang Chi 2 is far enough along he would do a future Daredevil season to cross promote. Expand He might do Marvel TV. I mean he did 4 episodes of the Canadian show Dragon's Den (Canadian Shark Tank), so he is obviously not against doing tv. And I would think that a Marvel show would be a step up from a Canadian reality show. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152608-s01e06-excessive-force/#findComment-8620074
maddie965 March 30 Share March 30 (edited) I'm just starting the series, but I have a question. I decided to give the Disney series a chance when I saw the name Born Again. I thought they were going to adapt the Frank Miller comic, whitch I adore. But this has nothing to do with that, right? Edited March 30 by maddie965 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152608-s01e06-excessive-force/#findComment-8620762
Raja March 30 Share March 30 On 3/30/2025 at 11:44 AM, maddie965 said: I'm just starting the series, but I have a question. I decided to give the Disney series a chance when I saw the name Born Again. I thought they were going to adapt the Frank Miller comic, whitch I adore. But this has nothing to do with that, right? Expand The comics are after my time but what I understood is that Netflix season 3 following on the end of The Defenders was taking from the comics Born Again story. The name was too good to let go to waste Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152608-s01e06-excessive-force/#findComment-8620765
maddie965 March 30 Share March 30 (edited) Season 3 has some elements from the Born Again comic, but it's not an adaptation of Millers'work. I guess Disney just stole the title now because it suits its purposes. Too bad. Not sure I'm going to watch. Edited March 30 by maddie965 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152608-s01e06-excessive-force/#findComment-8620768
Raja March 30 Share March 30 On 3/30/2025 at 12:09 PM, maddie965 said: Season 3 has some elements from the Born Again comic, but it's not an adaptation of Millers'work. I guess Disney just stole the title now because it suits its purposes. Too bad. Not sure I'm going to watch. Expand So no different than The Age of Ultron. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152608-s01e06-excessive-force/#findComment-8620787
maddie965 March 30 Share March 30 For those who are watching, is it worth it? I adore seasons 1 and 2 on Netflix, but a series without Foggy and Karen? I don't know. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152608-s01e06-excessive-force/#findComment-8621060
Raja March 30 Share March 30 I consider Daredevil season 3 the best run of the MCU. After THE Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D season 7 dead cat bounce and Spider-Man in the Endgame epilog era and into the Disney+ shows I think Daredevil is the best that Marvel has put out. But I'm a heretic in that Ms. Marvel then Hawkeye were my most fun shows and I didn't get the Loki shows. As for Karen, she actually works better with Frank Castle than with Matt. I really don't expect her back until the second season. The first episode punch in of the duo and Bullseye was more of a Fiege saying I'm sorry for trying to cut you out to go my own way, forgive us and please come back. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152608-s01e06-excessive-force/#findComment-8621092
maddie965 March 31 Share March 31 (edited) I do like Season 3, just not my favorite. Karen is with Frank? Are they in the show? I really want to see this. Sorry for being so off topic. I'll stop now. Edited March 31 by maddie965 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152608-s01e06-excessive-force/#findComment-8621774
Raja March 31 Share March 31 On 3/31/2025 at 12:38 PM, maddie965 said: Karen is with Frank? Are they in the show? I really want to see this. Sorry for being so off topic. I'll stop now. Expand The Punisher had 2 seasons on Netflix after sniping The Hand ninjas from the roof. With reports of him getting a Disney+ TV movie. like Drax and Mantis did with the Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday show. "With" does not mean in a biblical sense. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152608-s01e06-excessive-force/#findComment-8621800
maddie965 March 31 Share March 31 Oh, I know that. I just think the actors have great chemistry, so any kind of partnership would be great. And I loved both seasons of Punisher. Hope he gets more. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152608-s01e06-excessive-force/#findComment-8621817
Unclejosh March 31 Share March 31 I am in the minority I know but I actually preferred the prior episode more then this one although I have enjoyed the whole season so far. I couldnt even make it through the original Netflix series before this one came out. I just finished Season 1 prior to the start of Born Again and am watching Season 2 in between episodes of Born again. I actually cannot wait for each new ep of Born Again where I struggle to make it through the Netflix series. I think the lack of Foggy and Karen are a big part of it. They just bring down every episode so far. I like both actors but man they are bummers and annoying. Like I said I am probably in the minority but I for one am very happy for this new version because I am actually enjoying Daredevil again. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152608-s01e06-excessive-force/#findComment-8622013
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