S48.E05: "Master Class in Deception" LIVE CHAT THREAD

[gorgy]

I genuinely couldn't care less who goes home

[truthaboutluv]

Just now, WatcherUp2 said:

This all would have felt more authentic if I didn't remember how Zeke got so used by the show for one of Jeffy's Big Ol' After-school Special Moments.

Not to go off-topic from the episode, but how was Zeke used by Jeff? Varner acted like a dick and outed Zeke during tribal council and Zeke was okay with the tribal council airing as is. And Varner spent months after trying to rewrite history that absolved him of being the asshole that he was. 

[iMonrey]

1 minute ago, gorgy said:

I genuinely couldn't care less who goes home

I want Sai out but if it's not her then I don't care either.

[LadyChatts]

Wow, maybe it is going to be an exciting TC after all.

Wait, never mind, Bianca just blabbed she doesn't have a vote.  

[Rodney]

And Bianca confesses to not having a vote.

. . . To Cedrek, which is dangerous.

[susannot]

1 minute ago, WatcherUp2 said:

This all would have felt more authentic if I didn't remember how Zeke got so used by the show for one of Jeffy's Big Ol' After-school Special Moments.

Yeah, Jeffy loves it when he can turn the show into The Jeff Probst talk show    (cancelled after one season), complete with emotional breakdowns.

[truthaboutluv]

Bianca is making the same mistake Justin did and it may backfire on her like it did him. 

eta: And as I was typing this, she did what Justin didn't and told Cydrek, so they can try and figure out a plan. 

[LadyChatts]

I think Bianca is asking a lot of Cedrek.  She would have had to do damage control when she got back, but maybe she could have lied and said when she went to vote she found out her vote was blocked and blamed it on someone who went on a journey.

[Rodney]

Just now, truthaboutluv said:

And as I was typing this, she did what Justin didn't and told Cydrek, so they can try and figure out a plan. 

That plan seems to be Sai, though.  I'm shocked that Cedrek would actually do it.

[Lantern7]

4 minutes ago, WatcherUp2 said:

This all would have felt more authentic if I didn't remember how Zeke got so used by the show for one of Jeffy's Big Ol' After-School Special Moments.

That reminds me . . . is Jeff Varner buried up to his neck somewhere desolated? And if not, then why?

[Brown44]

You keep Sai in bc she's not good at challenges and she's a shield for a person people always top of the list to get rid of (human shield)

Edited Thursday at 01:15 AM by Brown44

[Lantern7]

If Sai gets voted off, that would count as being hilarious, right?

Edited Thursday at 01:16 AM by Lantern7

[LadyChatts]

So I'm guessing it's going to be Sai or it somehow flips to Bianca.  

[WatcherUp2]

Just now, truthaboutluv said:

Not to go off-topic from the episode, but how was Zeke used by Jeff? Varner acted like a dick and outed Zeke during tribal council and Zeke was okay with the tribal council airing as is. And Varner spent months after trying to rewrite history that absolved him of being the asshole that he was. 

They didn't have to air all of that. Zeke was put on the spot and had to do the "go along to get along" crap. It turned into the Zeke Outing Show, whether they wanted it to be or not.

[Maggie Mae]

5 minutes ago, LadyChatts said:

If I were Bianca I'd just pick a side and keep my mouth shut about not having a vote.  She might be overcomplicating things here.

 

She definitely is overcomplicating things.

[LadyChatts]

2 minutes ago, Rodney said:

That plan seems to be Sai, though.  I'm shocked that Cedrek would actually do it.

My guess is either all votes go on Bianca, or Cedrek tells Sai to vote Bianca and it causes a tie, and they try to get her out on the re-vote (which would ultimately come down to Mitch/Chrissy having to decide that).

Also didn't Bianca want their to be a tie vote initially between Sai and Chrissy?  What changed?

Edited Thursday at 01:17 AM by LadyChatts

[jsm1125]

2 minutes ago, truthaboutluv said:

Not to go off-topic from the episode, but how was Zeke used by Jeff? Varner acted like a dick and outed Zeke during tribal council and Zeke was okay with the tribal council airing as is. And Varner spent months after trying to rewrite history that absolved him of being the asshole that he was. 

Oh, Varner sucks and his anti-trans tweets these past few years confirms it.

But did Zeke really have a choice in production airing that outing? Varner outed him to 5 other people, which in itself is a big problem. But production kind of outed him to millions of viewers, and the show won a GLAAD award for it. That never sat well with me. 

[dizzyd]

Is the master class in deception referring to last TC or is this a new thing? I don’t trust Ced.

Edited Thursday at 01:18 AM by dizzyd

[truthaboutluv]

Just now, WatcherUp2 said:

They didn't have to air all of that. Zeke was put on the spot and had to do the "go along to get along" crap. It turned into the Zeke Outing Show, whether they wanted it to be or not.

This is off-topic and much of this was debated on this very board when that situation happened years ago, so I'll just say I disagree and move on...

[Lantern7]

Did I miss the title quote?

Another fall show promotion? What the hell, CBS?

Edited Thursday at 01:18 AM by Lantern7

[KeithJ]

OMG Bianca.  Why can’t people just keep their mouths shut?

Edited Thursday at 01:18 AM by KeithJ

[Rodney]

1 minute ago, LadyChatts said:

Also didn't Bianca want their to be a tie vote initially between Sai and Chrissy?  What changed?

Finding out that Cedrek was open to joining Mitch and Chrissy in voting out Sai.

[LadyChatts]

Guessing their won't be a tie vote with this amount of time left, so it's going to be Sai or somehow gets flipped to Bianca.

[gorgy]

Sai leaving at this point would be anticlimactic 

[LadyChatts]

5 minutes ago, Rodney said:

Finding out that Cedrek was open to joining Mitch and Chrissy in voting out Sai.

I'm curious why she wouldn't think that Cedrek was just telling them what they wanted to hear.  Isn't that part of Survivor, lying to people about your vote (especially to the person you are going to vote for, which in this case was going to be Chrissy).

3 minutes ago, gorgy said:

Sai leaving at this point would be anticlimactic 

I have a love/hate relationship with her but honestly it'd be kind of dull losing her.  And basically Cedrek is losing someone that he might be able to work with in the future (we'll see), whereas the other 3 lose nothing.  Plus, Sai might be a bigger target at the merge.

Edited Thursday at 01:23 AM by LadyChatts

[Rodney]

This feels like an anticlimatic Sai boot to me.

[Lantern7]

Is it “say” or “sigh”?!?

[Maggie Mae]

Could they please just vite out Sai??!

[Rodney]

Let's see.  No sign of anyone else voting for Chrissy.  So she might be safe.

Bianca, meanwhile, might've survived this.  No votes for her . . . that I can see.

[LadyChatts]

Yeah, Sai voted for Chrissy so I'm guessing Sai is going home.  Cedrek is going to flip on her.  

[gorgy]

calling them a "dynamic" duo is giving them a lot more credit than they deserve

[Pepper the Cat]

Dang it!

[Rodney]

Whoa.  Spoke too soon, maybe.

Bianca.  Cedrek clearly talked.

[Lantern7]

Down goes Bianca! And only two people voted for her!

If it was Sai, I’d imagine Justin shoving Cedrek into the oven.

[Rodney]

So the entire Thomas/Bianca duo is gone back-to-back.

Poor girl.  I want to hug her so badly.

[LadyChatts]

Oh wow, Bianca's name came up!  Didn't see that coming.  And no one told Sai.

Bianca should have kept that info to herself.  

[truthaboutluv]

Chrissy letting Sai know she didn't know anything that was going down, so she should be lucky she's still there.

Cydrek clearly told Mitch and Chrissy, and they split the vote just in case Bianca had something. 

Edited Thursday at 01:32 AM by truthaboutluv

[iMonrey]

Fuck this show. They spent so much time on Eva they didn't bother to show how the vote flipped to Bianca. And Sai survives. Fuck.

[PaperTree]

Bianca again proves Survivor rule #1

"Keep your damn mouth shut!"

[jsm1125]

3 minutes ago, Lantern7 said:

Is it “say” or “sigh”?!?

The first one 

[susannot]

So 12 people left.  Is next week the merge?  I like Kyle, Kamilla, Cedrek, Joe, and Mary, in approximately that order.

[dizzyd]

Interesting that Cedrek didn’t tell Sai if all people. Ok let’s go to Bali.

Edited Thursday at 01:29 AM by dizzyd

[gorgy]

Sai is too good a shield for all the people playing the middle

[Lantern7]

Bianca stopped crying. Good for her. I hope she got to talk with people afterward.

[jsm1125]

3 minutes ago, susannot said:

So 12 people left.  Is next week the merge?  I like Kyle, Kamilla, Cedrek, Joe, and Mary, in approximately that order.

13 people left. 

[susannot]

Preview just showed Drop Your Buffs!  Of course, they'll probably do the earn the merge bullshit again.

[Maggie Mae]

15 minutes ago, Lantern7 said:

Is it “say” or “sigh”?!?

The "i" is like a "y" so say "Say"...sigh🙄

[Rodney]

11 minutes ago, susannot said:

So 12 people left.  Is next week the merge?

Yes.  But it's thirteen, not twelve:

Cedrek
Charity
Chrissy
David
Eva
Joe
Kamilla
Kyle
Mary
Mitch
Sai
Shauhin
Star

[LadyChatts]

9 minutes ago, Rodney said:

Yes.  But it's thirteen, not twelve:

Cedrek
Charity
Chrissy
David
Eva
Joe
Kamilla
Kyle
Mary
Mitch
Sai
Shauhin
Star

Just realized that all of Civa will be going to the merge intact, with 4 Lagi and 3 Vula.  Wonder if this will mean anything, since Civa wasn't exactly a unified tribe.  Frankly, I'm not sure whose going to go where, outside of some of the established duos like Kamilla/Kyle and Joe/Eva probably sticking together.  

[Rodney]

3 minutes ago, LadyChatts said:

Just realized that all of Civa will be going to the merge intact, with 4 Lagi and 3 Vula.  Wonder if this will mean anything, since Civa wasn't exactly a unified tribe.  Frankly, I'm not sure whose going to go where, outside of some of the established duos like Kamilla/Kyle and Joe/Eva probably sticking together.  

Mary and Sai could also reunite, but Sai would be dumb to stick with Cedrek again after this.  Mitch and Charity also established a duo in episode two or three, as did David and Chrissy, though David's close with Eva, too.  But then, so is Star now.