Snazzy Daisy March 22 Share March 22 (edited) Quote The search for Teonna continues. Alexandra and Spencer find their footing on two different trains. Expand Air Date: Mar 23, 2025 Edited March 23 by Snazzy Daisy Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152525-s02e05-only-gunshots-to-guide-us/
Thalia March 23 Share March 23 I hate to be too negative, because I know that people are enjoying this show, but season 2 has just been painful for me. I grew to like the four leads in season one, but they seem to be marching in place this year. That might not be so bad, because, Timothy Dalton aside, the characters are mostly nice people and attractive. The scenery and production values are gorgeous. But Alex's story really is killing me. I just hate seeing the poor woman tortured week after week and to what end? Season one Alex was a little naive but still a tough broad, why did we have to see her get beat down physically and mentally. And I do not expect next week to be any better. I suspect that the seemingly nice couple a) either recognized Alex and think she's worth something to her parents or ex-fiancee; or, b) are the proprietors of Winnetka, Illinois' finest High End Brothel. My Alex Bingo Card doesn't have a spot for "Nice couple with no agenda offers three squares and a cot." At least Spencer has made voice contact with someone from home and I suppose it is possible that he'll make it home next week. I'm looking forward to his reunion with Cara as much or more as his eventual reunion with Alex. I think both will be moving. I've never really been sure where Teonna's story is going, but that's probably my bad as I haven't really paid much attention to her this year. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152525-s02e05-only-gunshots-to-guide-us/#findComment-8614510
Chit Chat March 23 Share March 23 On 3/23/2025 at 3:07 PM, Thalia said: My Alex Bingo Card doesn't have a spot for "Nice couple with no agenda offers three squares and a cot." Expand Bwah! It will be surprising if they are genuinely concerned for her. I didn't like this episode. I was hoping that the entire season wasn't wrapped up in her and Spencer trying to get to Montana, but alas, it appears that it is. On 3/23/2025 at 3:07 PM, Thalia said: At least Spencer has made voice contact with someone from home and I suppose it is possible that he'll make it home next week. Expand I hope the Sheriff will tell the Duttons that Spencer is on his way, but I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't. The worst part of the whole episode was seeing the horse go down. 😢 3 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152525-s02e05-only-gunshots-to-guide-us/#findComment-8614534
mythoughtis March 24 Share March 24 On 3/23/2025 at 3:07 PM, Thalia said: My Alex Bingo Card doesn't have a spot for "Nice couple with no agenda offers three squares and a cot." Expand Mine either. But they did at least save her from prison or a mental hospital. I’d really like the female marshal to catch up with the marshal and the priest. However she isn’t likely to do it in time to save Pete. 3 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152525-s02e05-only-gunshots-to-guide-us/#findComment-8614999
Snazzy Daisy March 24 Author Share March 24 This episode belongs to Alex and Spencer. No Jacob, no Cara and thank god, no Elizabeth. Jennifer Carpenter is terrific as Sheriff Mamie Fossett. She helps Spencer moving a step closer to Montana. Will Sheriff Fossett be getting her own spin-off? Am getting more and more frustrated with the lack of progress in Alex and Spencer’s storylines. The continuous roadblocks and unnecessary conflicts are getting ridiculous. Brandon Sklenar and Julia Schlaepfer have great chemistry. Keeping them apart in S02 is the biggest mistake ever! The sexual assault storyline is truly unnecessary. There’s another way to create a connection between Alex and the wealthy couple. Anyway, it’s nice to see Janet Montgomery on my screen again. Pete and the fallen horse… 😢 4 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152525-s02e05-only-gunshots-to-guide-us/#findComment-8615080
Thumper March 24 Share March 24 (edited) I am appreciating the performance of the actress playing Alex much more this season, even though she’s going through horrible stuff. Last season she was all plucky but a bit ditsy and not listening to Spencer when he told her how to stay safe. That drove me crazy. This season I feel her strength, resolve, and toughness much more. I like the female sheriff. In looks, she reminds me of singer Rita Coolidge in her younger years. Edited March 24 by Thumper 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152525-s02e05-only-gunshots-to-guide-us/#findComment-8615274
RedHawk March 24 Share March 24 The trials Spencer and Alex endured in season one were fun and fascinating because they were in them together. Now in S2 I agree that it’s taking frustratingly far too long to get Spencer and Alex reunited. It’s a waste of their amazing chemistry to keep them apart for most of the season, although I also like seeing Alex‘s strength and resolve emerge. I too suspect she’s headed for a high-end brothel (“don’t trust anyone who’s nice to you”!). Much like Spencer’s luck turned and he got a free train ticket, I hope hers has too and she is going to get a couple weeks of rest, regular meals, and rebuilding her strength. Maybe that’s where they’ll be next week while we are put through whatever fresh hell Sheridan has in store for Teona, her father, and Pete. And the blond streetwalker, poor girl. I do like how the Scottish man is so obviously pained by what he’s having to do for Timothy Dalton’s character. At least he keeps that storyline intriguing. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152525-s02e05-only-gunshots-to-guide-us/#findComment-8615334
sadie March 24 Share March 24 Let’s just keep piling on poor Alex for what reason? Because they can just isn’t a good enough reason and just seems like more delay on top of more delay because Sheridan can’t figure out once he gets Spencer and Alex back to Montana what to do with the story. It wasn’t enough she was beat up and robbed, had not even a penny for food, became a servant so she could eat but we ALSO had to have her be sexually assaulted, locked up and now is going off with two people who I’m sure will end up being sex traffickers because, why not. It’s just not entertaining at this point. jennifer carpenter is a fascinating character that I am truly enjoying but since we can’t have nice things on 1923 I’m sure they’ll ruin her too. 5 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152525-s02e05-only-gunshots-to-guide-us/#findComment-8615590
Charlemagne March 24 Share March 24 (edited) On 3/24/2025 at 5:56 PM, sadie said: Let’s just keep piling on poor Alex for what reason? Expand What I suspect - assuming the show follows through on the narrative structure that it is setting forth - is that Alex's trials are essentially her "training/origin story" so that she can be a badass once she gets to the Dutton Ranch. Her story seems to be contrasted with the other young wife who can't seem to hack it when it comes to ranch life. A naive aristocratic English woman with visions of a romantic tryst in the African wilds like she is Taylor Swift in that music video would not realistically be "hard" enough to be a "proper Dutton wife." But, now, by the time that she gets there, she should be taking names and kicking ass like a true Mama Grizzly. But that's just a guess. Edited March 24 by Charlemagne 5 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152525-s02e05-only-gunshots-to-guide-us/#findComment-8615598
sadie March 24 Share March 24 On 3/24/2025 at 6:05 PM, Charlemagne said: What I suspect - assuming the show follows through on the narrative structure that it is setting forth - is that Alex's trials are essentially her "training/origin story" so that she can be a badass once she gets to the Dutton Ranch. Her story seems to be contrasted with the other young wife who can't seem to hack it when it comes to ranch life. A naive aristocratic English woman with visions of a romantic tryst in the African wilds like she is Taylor Swift in that music video would not realistically be "hard" enough to be a "proper Dutton wife." But, now, by the time that she gets there, she should be taking names and kicking ass like a true Mama Grizzly. But that's just a guess. Expand I totally agree @Charlemagne , I guess it’s a question of degrees. I think Alex has already proven how tough, clever and strong she is, at this point t it just feels like more for more sake. She could have made it to Montana after leaving g behind her life of privilege, surviving a lion attack, boat capsize, shark attack, separation from her husband and having to figure out how to get to Montana alone and I would still view her as a total bad ass that could be a worthy ranch wife. I have the same complaint about Spencer’s story. Maybe I’m just inpatient LOL 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152525-s02e05-only-gunshots-to-guide-us/#findComment-8615609
Charlemagne March 24 Share March 24 On 3/24/2025 at 6:22 PM, sadie said: I totally agree @Charlemagne , I guess it’s a question of degrees. I think Alex has already proven how tough, clever and strong she is, at this point t it just feels like more for more sake. She could have made it to Montana after leaving g behind her life of privilege, surviving a lion attack, boat capsize, shark attack, separation from her husband and having to figure out how to get to Montana alone and I would still view her as a total bad ass that could be a worthy ranch wife. I have the same complaint about Spencer’s story. Maybe I’m just inpatient LOL Expand I think, perhaps, that it also might be a case of wanting to highlight "the times" as much as the characters. It feels to me like Sheridan views the time period in these spinoffs (1883 and now 1923) as a character unto itself. So, in his mind, Alex *had* to get assaulted to show how the legal system treated women back then. Even with eyewitnesses, it was notable that the police officer didn't relent until the husband gave his testimony. Many people might not consider the "time period" as a character so when there is a focus on that, it seems like wheel spinning instead of the "color being painted" that Sheridan likely feels that it is. On 3/24/2025 at 6:22 PM, sadie said: I totally agree @Charlemagne , I guess it’s a question of degrees. I think Alex has already proven how tough, clever and strong she is, at this point t it just feels like more for more sake. She could have made it to Montana after leaving g behind her life of privilege, surviving a lion attack, boat capsize, shark attack, separation from her husband and having to figure out how to get to Montana alone and I would still view her as a total bad ass that could be a worthy ranch wife. I have the same complaint about Spencer’s story. Maybe I’m just inpatient LOL Expand Also, it occurs to me that all those adventures that you listed - lion attack, boat capsizing, etc. - involved Spencer. But these other adventures are her alone. With no male companion as a safety net. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152525-s02e05-only-gunshots-to-guide-us/#findComment-8615615
Haleth March 26 Share March 26 I so agree the sexual assault was unnecessary. Alex’s storyline is cartoonish at this point. I’m expecting her to somehow end up being sold to Tim Dalton and that’s how she ends up in Boseman. When she took the job on the train I thought that was great for her character- learn the value of physical labor which she’ll need on the ranch. It could have ended with the train manager complimenting her on her hard work and giving her a bonus to help her get home, but no, she can’t have nice things. At least Spencer is on the right track. No pun intended. Teonna is Rainwater’s grandmother, isn’t she? I’m tired of her continued abuse too. I miss Helen and Harrison. The show is much less without them. 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152525-s02e05-only-gunshots-to-guide-us/#findComment-8617107
TVForever Wednesday at 02:06 PM Share Wednesday at 02:06 PM On 3/23/2025 at 3:07 PM, Thalia said: I hate to be too negative, because I know that people are enjoying this show, but season 2 has just been painful for me. Expand Same here. It feels almost like torture porn at this point. On 3/24/2025 at 5:56 PM, sadie said: jennifer carpenter is a fascinating character that I am truly enjoying but since we can’t have nice things on 1923 I’m sure they’ll ruin her too. Expand Loving her character. I hope we get to see more of her. On 3/24/2025 at 6:05 PM, Charlemagne said: What I suspect - assuming the show follows through on the narrative structure that it is setting forth - is that Alex's trials are essentially her "training/origin story" so that she can be a badass once she gets to the Dutton Ranch. Expand Good call. And we still don't know which Dutton wife is John's (Kevin Costner) grandmother yet, do we? Elizabeth has recently lost her baby, and Alex is currently pregnant, but things could change so quickly. On 3/24/2025 at 6:35 PM, Charlemagne said: I think, perhaps, that it also might be a case of wanting to highlight "the times" as much as the characters. It feels to me like Sheridan views the time period in these spinoffs (1883 and now 1923) as a character unto itself. Expand Agreed on that. I remember the scene with Spencer on the train with the hobos. I thought the dialogue and directing/acting choices of the little girl was a brilliant way to convey that that she had seen and done waaay too many awful things. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152525-s02e05-only-gunshots-to-guide-us/#findComment-8617186
Marley Wednesday at 09:02 PM Share Wednesday at 09:02 PM I'm so over this show now they should've got to the ranch in episode 1 of season 2 like I want to see them at the ranch interacting. Instead we are getting Taylor Sheridan torture porn for Alex. There is way too many scenes with the hookers & sick Timothy Dalton torturing them. Like what does this bring to the show. At this rate they are going to get to the ranch & the show will be over. 2 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152525-s02e05-only-gunshots-to-guide-us/#findComment-8617514
Chit Chat Wednesday at 11:09 PM Share Wednesday at 11:09 PM (edited) On 3/26/2025 at 9:02 PM, Marley said: There is way too many scenes with the hookers & sick Timothy Dalton torturing them. Like what does this bring to the show. Expand I agree, but maybe they're trying to make him as despicable as they can so if he finally gets his day of reckoning, it's going to be oh so sweet!! On 3/26/2025 at 11:00 AM, Haleth said: I so agree the sexual assault was unnecessary. Expand In that instance, she should've turned away & quickly made her way back to the kitchen. At the very least, she could've spilled the hot coffee on him and then run to the kitchen. Edited Wednesday at 11:09 PM by Chit Chat 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152525-s02e05-only-gunshots-to-guide-us/#findComment-8617607
millennium 4 hours ago Share 4 hours ago On 3/26/2025 at 11:00 AM, Haleth said: I so agree the sexual assault was unnecessary. Expand Not to a vicarious rapist, as the writer of this show appears to be. How many ugly acts of sexual violence have we been subjected to on 1923? Worse, there's always some kink element, whether it's the guy fingering Alex in the dining car or Timothy Dalton as James Bondage. Teonna's story interests me not in the least. I didn't realize streetwalkers were so young, healthy and beautiful in 1923. In the photos I have seen from that era, most of the women resemble Joe Pesci. Jennifer Carpenter's sheriff was interesting, I'd watch that spinoff. Of course, I said the same thing about Billy Bob Thornton's sheriff in "1883," and he didn't get a spinoff. I'm having some difficulty with Jerome Flynn as a weak-willed bad guy in this show, considering the strong character he played on Game Of Thrones. Why did rapey guy make a point of observing Alex wasn't wearing stockings? I assume he was planning his assault at that point. Was he relieved she wasn't wearing pantyhose from the future? Finally, Joan Collins looks great for her age. Hope she got her cookie. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152525-s02e05-only-gunshots-to-guide-us/#findComment-8622630
Haleth 1 hour ago Share 1 hour ago 4 hours ago, millennium said: James Bondage Expand I burst out laughing at that. Perfect. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152525-s02e05-only-gunshots-to-guide-us/#findComment-8622656
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