S18.E16: The Experts Have Questions

[Crashcourse]

Wow.  Spicegate! 😅

[Chatty Cake]

2 hours ago, Jeanne222 said:

Allen needed to 'read the room' she wasn't interested in a cook...she wanted a caveman lover!

Sooo if Allen wanted to excite Madison let someone else cook and leave spices at home!

She might think sneaking around to Taco Bell at three in the morning with David was exciting but that will get old fast. She already looked like she was having second thoughts about David when she saw everyone’s reaction to their “connection.” 
While Allen could have “ read the room,” Madison could have “ told Allen the truth.” 
Speaking of which, how long until Davids lying to Madison? He lies so easily and seems to go with the flow. Even during the on camera confession, it took Madison to initiate it. 

[Elizzikra]

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She already looked like she was having second thoughts about David when she saw everyone’s reaction to their “connection.” 

I think this is way more David/Madison than Madison/David. I also don't think Madison intended for this to come out the way it did, if at all. Although if she is in this whole thing for social media fame, this is a surefire way to do it - being half of the first "spouse swap" in MAFS history. 

I also think that Madison was surprised by how much dislike she got from the cast. I'm not sure why she wouldn't anticipate that but I guess she was expecting sympathy, since all of them have experienced some degree of lack of attraction to their spouse?

[princelina]

18 hours ago, Elizzikra said:

I also think that Madison was surprised by how much dislike she got from the cast. I'm not sure why she wouldn't anticipate that but I guess she was expecting sympathy, since all of them have experienced some degree of lack of attraction to their spouse?

Do Very Beautiful Women usually get lots of sympathy? 😃

[Elizzikra]

3 hours ago, princelina said:

Do Very Beautiful Women usually get lots of sympathy? 😃

Sadly i would not know… 😀

[Gator Stud]

On 2/20/2025 at 11:01 AM, Elizzikra said:

Maybe she didn’t want a tan line. Maybe she is more comfortable that way. Whatever - no need to slut shame her for something that is perfectly acceptable in pretty much the entire rest of the world except conservative parts of the US. And if you don’t want to take your top of on the beach on your honeymoon, by all means, leave it on.

Not wanting your newlywed wife to show her breasts on the the honeymoon, is not slut shaming or misogyny. Its normal.  What man thinks that is cool? If a guy walked around naked during the honemoon, showing woman his junk, I think the wife wouldnt be down with it.  If both people are nudist, thats different.  Is Julio a nudist? Here in CA you can walk around naked, legally. 

She wants to be all high and mighty but show men her breasts. Shes fake.  She just wants to look moral. Why did the experts force newlyweds to honeymoon together? To live together.  To become intimate friends? Thats asking for trouble. Would this have ever happened if these couples were separate, like before? 

[Elizzikra]

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Not wanting your newlywed wife to show her breasts on the the honeymoon, is not slut shaming or misogyny. Its normal. 

Thinking you have any right to dictate what another person, much less your wife, does with their body is misogynistic. Thinking this is "normal" is misogynistic.

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What man thinks that is cool?

Who cares? They aren't his breasts.

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If a guy walked around naked during the honemoon, showing woman his junk, I think the wife wouldnt be down with it.

My husband's "junk" belongs to him. He does with it as he sees fit.

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Is Julio a nudist?

Karla's husband is named Juan. I don't know who Juilo is or how he feels about nudity.

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She wants to be all high and mighty but show men her breasts. 

She took her top off (I mean, she didn't actually - but you are saying she did). Taking your top off isn't "showing men your breasts." No one forces them to look.  Saying she was "showing men her breasts" is assuming a motive that we don't know she had. As I noted, there are other reasons to take a top off. Most of them don't involve seeking out the male gaze, as much as some men like to believe they do. Most of the men took their shirts off. Were they "showing women their pecs?" Did they do it to capture the female gaze? Or maybe they were just hot, or didn't want a tan line?

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She wants to be all high and mighty but show men her breasts. Shes fake.  She just wants to look moral. 

This is where you slut shame. Karla can't be "moral" and also take her top off on the beach on her honeymoon? She either leaves her top on or she is "immoral?" And again, no one seems to remember her actually taking her top off on the honeymoon...

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Why did the experts force newlyweds to honeymoon together? To live together.  To become intimate friends? Thats asking for trouble. Would this have ever happened if these couples were separate, like before? 

Well the show is called Married At First Sight. If you don't want to watch strangers get married, go on a honeymoon and try to live together, perhaps watch a different show?

No one forced anyone. The participants signed up to be on this show. They know what it entails. We have seen people leave the honeymoon early, choose to stay in different rooms, choose not to live together... 

[princelina]

I would say if Juan had a problem with Karla taking off her top he could talk to her about it, but going topless on a beach is a far cry on the "high and mighty morality scale" from lying and cheating.  If Karla doesn't want to be friends with Madison she doesn't have to be, and I admire the way she calmly told her so.  It would be fake to act friendly with her and then talk badly behind her back.

[Gator Stud]

7 hours ago, princelina said:

I would say if Juan had a problem with Karla taking off her top he could talk to her about it, but going topless on a beach is a far cry on the "high and mighty morality scale" from lying and cheating.  If Karla doesn't want to be friends with Madison she doesn't have to be, and I admire the way she calmly told her so.  It would be fake to act friendly with her and then talk badly behind her back.

She showed her breast again this week.  So....  Not that I am judging.  But can she spare us the lectures about how moral she is.  She is jeals that the men are not drooling over her, like Madison. Julio doesn't like her fake spiritual BS. Maybe she is bitter?

[ECM1231]

I must be half asleep watching these episodes. I've not seen any of these nip slips/wardrobe malfunctions. When did they occur exactly?

And again, there is no JULIO this season. Karla's husband is JUAN. His nickname is Juancho.

[Elizzikra]

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She showed her breast again this week.  So....  Not that I am judging.  But can she spare us the lectures about how moral she is. 

How is it that you aren't judging but also say that she can't be moral because (you think) she went topless once and favors low-cut tops? That makes no sense whatsoever.

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I must be half asleep watching these episodes. I've not seen any of these nip slips/wardrobe malfunctions. When did they occur exactly?

I haven't seen any evidence that Karla ever went topless, save one person who insists that it happened and one who said it could have happened because Karla wears low cut tops and no bra. That's it. It's like the mythical "fine" that David was going to have to pay if he "left the marriage" by admitting that he was flirting with Madison and then lying about it.

Karla did have a nip slip during the "party" at JUAN's loft. She was wearing a shirt or a shirt dress and it was unbuttoned quite low. They blurred her nipple. I don't think it was necessarily intention but even if it was, it doesn't make her a hypocrite when she says that she didn't approve of Madison and David's cheating and lying about it. 

[princelina]

3 hours ago, Gator Stud said:

She showed her breast again this week.  So....  Not that I am judging.  But can she spare us the lectures about how moral she is.  She is jeals that the men are not drooling over her, like Madison. Julio doesn't like her fake spiritual BS. Maybe she is bitter?

Did she ever lecture us on how moral she is?  I don't remember that, but I'll grant that I FF through the scenes that I think are going nowhere.  What I heard was that she thought Madison's and David's relationship was dirty, and she didn't want to be friends with someone she doesn't trust.  That seems kind of true to who she has portrayed herself to be.  I think she realized long ago that Juan isn't into her and is fine with it because she's not wild about him either, and they became friends who made an "understanding" to play out the show and be done.  I do not believe she is bitter or jealous - it seems to me she has a pretty good read on the other contestants, and knows who she likes and she doesn't.  (That being said, I can't call what happened at the party a "nip slip" because it didn't slip - it came out, introduced itself and stayed for the party 😄.  NOt how I roll and I don't find it attractive, but neither do I think it's immoral)

[Gator Stud]

15 hours ago, Elizzikra said:

How is it that you aren't judging but also say that she can't be moral because (you think) she went topless once and favors low-cut tops? That makes no sense whatsoever.

I haven't seen any evidence that Karla ever went topless, save one person who insists that it happened and one who said it could have happened because Karla wears low cut tops and no bra. That's it. It's like the mythical "fine" that David was going to have to pay if he "left the marriage" by admitting that he was flirting with Madison and then lying about it.

Karla did have a nip slip during the "party" at JUAN's loft. She was wearing a shirt or a shirt dress and it was unbuttoned quite low. They blurred her nipple. I don't think it was necessarily intention but even if it was, it doesn't make her a hypocrite when she says that she didn't approve of Madison and David's cheating and lying about it. 

This is during the honeymoon where they were all swimming together.  I remember.  I am not judging her for being a nudist; Im judging her for just meeting her newlywed and then immediately going topless in front of other people.  Like she couldn't wait?  What if that is the thing that turned Julio off?  If a guy went bottomless on the honeymoon in front of women he just met, I just dont think you would be saying the same thing.

[Elizzikra]

25 minutes ago, Gator Stud said:

This is during the honeymoon where they were all swimming together.  I remember.  I am not judging her for being a nudist; Im judging her for just meeting her newlywed and then immediately going topless in front of other people.  Like she couldn't wait?  What if that is the thing that turned Julio off?  If a guy went bottomless on the honeymoon in front of women he just met, I just dont think you would be saying the same thing.

JUAN! JUAN! His name is not Julio.

Karla is not a nudist. I will rewatch that scene but I have no memory of her even being topless. I don’t think you should judge her at all for removing her top (if in fact she did). If that was the thing that turned JUAN off then that would be evidence that they aren’t a good match. Why should she wait? And if it’s legal and JUAN went bottomless, I would in fact say the same thing, though I don’t think that breasts and genitalia are quite the same, particularly if you are only sexualizing women’s breasts and not men’s.

[Gator Stud]

50 minutes ago, Elizzikra said:

JUAN! JUAN! His name is not Julio.

 

I have a childhood friend that looks like him, but he is gay.  So I confuse them.  But people have called me by my Black friend's names.  We dont all look alike, ya know.  So I know what is like.