Chit-Chat: The Feels

[Soapy Goddess]

2 minutes ago, Anela said:

They have tried to make this entire country their “safe space”. They didn’t get over it, we’ve heard about it constantly - especially in the form of lies about the election being stolen, and they attempted a coup four years ago, on this date.
 

He was prosecuted for crimes he committed, and his supporters claimed that Biden was just prosecuting his political enemies. We never got a break from him. If you think we’re so pathetic, why are you joining in, and complaining yourself? 

Excuse me, but I've been here since day one reading all about how the left can't sleep, can't eat, stressed to the max, etc. And God forbid anyone on the right post something the majority here doesn't agree with. It's been 2 months of the same rhetoric over & over, which is tedious at best.

PT needs a place for those who'd like to celebrate a win and discuss politics without being criticized for their opinions. Several of us have tried discussing at the beginning, but apparently no one here wanted to hear it. Instead, we were attacked. It's now down to a low roar. 

So, no, I'm not going to say you're (collective) pathetic because I wouldn't want anyone who really doesn't know me to parrot that back. As for catching a break, the right could say they never got a break from Obama serving 8 years straight. And for all intents & purposes, he's STILL wielding his power. Even played a role in Biden stepping down. It wasn't just George Clooney. 

[nokat]

13 hours ago, Dimity said:

I'm a liberal in a conservative area that will never change - even if the libs offered each and every one of them a tax free ride for the rest of their lives, hating the libs is their life.  I've learned to pick my battles and live to fight another day!

I'm recently from a very large state that provides the socialism that many in red states claim to hate.  You like your roads? How about they are gone? All of your support systems? Gone. Those liberal states support you, and I hope you get a taste of what think you want. 

Sorry, I did go on a bit of a rant there.

Edited Monday at 08:42 AM by nokat

[FilmTVGeek80]

58 minutes ago, Soapy Goddess said:

So what that he lost in 2020. The right doesn't believe that everyone should get a trophy. They got over it rather quickly. And they didn't have a "safe haven" to whine about it either on PT. In fact, politics were verboten.

I would love to live in the world where the Right got over anything quickly. Today is a pretty stark reminder of how far they didn't just "get over it." The constant bellyaching over everything Biden did is proof that they didn't get over it. You all have a safe haven - it's called Fox News, Truth Social, Elon Musk's Twitter, etc. I'm sorry that you can't stand being in the minority here, but other people don't have to stop sharing their opinions because you don't like it.

31 minutes ago, Soapy Goddess said:

Excuse me, but I've been here since day one reading all about how the left can't sleep, can't eat, stressed to the max, etc. And God forbid anyone on the right post something the majority here doesn't agree with. It's been 2 months of the same rhetoric over & over, which is tedious at best.

PT needs a place for those who'd like to celebrate a win and discuss politics without being criticized for their opinions. Several of us have tried discussing at the beginning, but apparently no one here wanted to hear it. Instead, we were attacked. It's now down to a low roar. 

So, no, I'm not going to say you're (collective) pathetic because I wouldn't want anyone who really doesn't know me to parrot that back. As for catching a break, the right could say they never got a break from Obama serving 8 years straight. And for all intents & purposes, he's STILL wielding his power. Even played a role in Biden stepping down. It wasn't just George Clooney. 

Your issue seems to be - at least to me - that you can't take being in the minority. No one has attacked you. Disagreeing with you is not, in and of itself, an attack. You can post how you feel just like anyone else. And, just like anyone else, your post is open to being disagreed with and discussed. If you post something people disagree with, people are allowed to (respectfully) share why they disagree. If you can't deal with that, it's your issue - not everyone else's. If you don't like reading the "tedious" rhetoric there's a simple solution for that. Find your own safe space - there's plenty of options for conservatives.

[Anela]

48 minutes ago, Soapy Goddess said:

Excuse me, but I've been here since day one reading all about how the left can't sleep, can't eat, stressed to the max, etc. And God forbid anyone on the right post something the majority here doesn't agree with. It's been 2 months of the same rhetoric over & over, which is tedious at best.

PT needs a place for those who'd like to celebrate a win and discuss politics without being criticized for their opinions. Several of us have tried discussing at the beginning, but apparently no one here wanted to hear it. Instead, we were attacked. It's now down to a low roar. 

So, no, I'm not going to say you're (collective) pathetic because I wouldn't want anyone who really doesn't know me to parrot that back. As for catching a break, the right could say they never got a break from Obama serving 8 years straight. And for all intents & purposes, he's STILL wielding his power. Even played a role in Biden stepping down. It wasn't just George Clooney. 

I know you’ve been here for the last two months. I’m one of the few who has acknowledged your presence, though I’m going to take someone else’s advice at some point. I have never been rude to you. 

We are talking to each other, nobody is keeping you from posting whatever you like.  Unless you don’t like being reminded of what you voted for, when you open the thread. 

why should you get a break from Obama? And the backlash to him, was trump, and everything that’s come with him.  Obama has been living his life, he just comes back occasionally, to help democrats. Why shouldn’t he? 

Edited Monday at 08:52 AM by Anela

[anony.miss]

1 hour ago, Soapy Goddess said:

So what that he lost in 2020. The right doesn't believe that everyone should get a trophy. They got over it rather quickly.

Trump voters, acting as a mob,  killed people on January 6th, which forever disqualifies them from being described as "getting over it rather quickly", imo.

 

Edited Monday at 09:08 AM by anony.miss

[Soapy Goddess]

14 minutes ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

I would love to live in the world where the Right got over anything quickly. Today is a pretty stark reminder of how far they didn't just "get over it." The constant bellyaching over everything Biden did is proof that they didn't get over it. You all have a safe haven - it's called Fox News, Truth Social, Elon Musk's Twitter, etc. I'm sorry that you can't stand being in the minority here, but other people don't have to stop sharing their opinions because you don't like it.

Your issue seems to be - at least to me - that you can't take being in the minority. No one has attacked you. Disagreeing with you is not, in and of itself, an attack. You can post how you feel just like anyone else. And, just like anyone else, your post is open to being disagreed with and discussed. If you post something people disagree with, people are allowed to (respectfully) share why they disagree. If you can't deal with that, it's your issue - not everyone else's. If you don't like reading the "tedious" rhetoric there's a simple solution for that. Find your own safe space - there's plenty of options for conservatives.

Everyone is an individual...and this individual DID get over it. So I only speak for myself and those that I know who were mature enough to do the same.

I don't care about being a minority here. I know this thread was made for the left. I'm just suggesting that we should also have a thread to share our opinions with like minded people. So, I don't need you to tell me where I can find/share my opinions. Nobody died and left you boss.

And you're wrong about not being attacked (in the beginning). There were several nasty posts that included name-calling, which were subsequently removed. So please don't tell me otherwise. I have the PMs to prove it. Shortly thereafter, the mods stepped in and posted their usual "suggestions" regarding 'agreeing to disagree' in a civil manner. 

[Anela]

13 minutes ago, anony.miss said:

Trump voters, acting as a mob,  killed people on January 6th, which forever disqualifies them from being described as "getting over it rather quickly", imo.

 

I’m watching Sandi Bachom’s video for that day. https://x.com/sandibachom/status/1876073650413355130

https://vimeo.com/833374121

Edited Monday at 09:21 AM by Anela

[Soapy Goddess]

37 minutes ago, Anela said:

I know you’ve been here for the last two months. I’m one of the few who has acknowledged your presence, though I’m going to take someone else’s advice at some point. I have never been rude to you. 

We are talking to each other, nobody is keeping you from posting whatever you like.  Unless you don’t like being reminded of what you voted for, when you open the thread. 

why should you get a break from Obama? And the backlash to him, was trump, and everything that’s come with him.  Obama has been living his life, he just comes back occasionally, to help democrats. Why shouldn’t he? 

And I appreciate your acknowledgement. My reply regarding Obama was only referring to when you said you can't catch a break from Trump. Look, I'm not a rabid political person one way or the other. I just don't get all the whining day in and day out. Some even stating they can't wait for Trump to drop dead. Not the exact wording, but still a bit over the top. And yes, that's any poster's prerogative. It's just not me and how I view things. 

20 minutes ago, anony.miss said:

Trump voters, acting as a mob,  killed people on January 6th, which forever disqualifies them from being described as "getting over it rather quickly", imo.

 

As I previously stated, I don't speak for everyone!  I speak only for myself and for those people that I know who appreciate our democracy. There are all kinds of crazy people in the world, but NOT in my circle of friends who are completely sane and rational.

Edited Monday at 09:28 AM by Soapy Goddess

[anony.miss]

20 minutes ago, Soapy Goddess said:

As I previously stated, I don't speak for everyone!

In the comment I responded to, you did speak on behalf of the right:

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So what that he lost in 2020. The right doesn't believe that everyone should get a trophy. They got over it rather quickly.

If you're now condemning those on the right who promoted murder, insurrection and violence, then we're on the same page.

Edited Monday at 09:42 AM by anony.miss

[tres bien]

To the 221,000 voters-over 3 states- that made it possible for Trump to win- I hope all your wishes and dreams come true

If January 6 2021 was a peaceful gathering of people showing support for  their leader I don’t know why it isn’t or won’t one day be enshrined in American history like all the other historical dates we honor every year.
Even Time magazine gives out their annual person of the year not necessarily to the best but to the worst for different reasons 

[Macbeth1966]

As today is the 4th anniversary of 1/6, I am sharing a video from the House of Representatives January 6th Committee.   May we never forget what Trump tried to do.

I am very happy that this site allows a space so we can discuss politics. 

[bluegirl147]

4 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

 

I don't care about being a minority here. I know this thread was made for the left. I'm just suggesting that we should also have a thread to share our opinions with like minded people. 

 

That is part of the problem. Wanting to be in a space that is only people that think like you (not you specifically but general you).  Being in siloes has led to the extreme polarization of people's political beliefs.  Don't get me wrong this thread has been a help since the election being around people who feel like I do but I'm willing to listen to people who have different points of view. As long as they are respectful and not meant to belittle other people's beliefs. I would like to believe that all of us want this country and the people in it to succeed and do well and be healthy and happy.  We just disagree on who would be the best to help us achieve that.

 

[Anela]

1 hour ago, bluegirl147 said:

That is part of the problem. Wanting to be in a space that is only people that think like you (not you specifically but general you).  Being in siloes has led to the extreme polarization of people's political beliefs.  Don't get me wrong this thread has been a help since the election being around people who feel like I do but I'm willing to listen to people who have different points of view. As long as they are respectful and not meant to belittle other people's beliefs. I would like to believe that all of us want this country and the people in it to succeed and do well and be healthy and happy.  We just disagree on who would be the best to help us achieve that.

 

I wouldn’t mind an echo chamber for a while. I’ve been in spaces that have been MAGA echo chambers for years, but I don’t expect to have one here.  

[JustHereForFood]

11 hours ago, annzeepark914 said:

What the heck is going on with people? Are they too lazy to follow what their govt officials are doing (or not doing, especially for them)? 

Well, yes. Or rather a combination of some being lazy, some (probably the majority) having not enough time to follow everything & the media not reporting on everything that governments do because it's taken for granted and not as entertaining to report on as scandals, plus many people simply wanting to have some group of people to blame for everything that goes wrong with their lives.

8 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

The same could be said to the far left. You lost, get over it! And take off the bubble wrap while you're at it.

I know we have different definitions on what is far, centre or moderate, which is probably why so many unnecessary conflicts happen - in my understanding, the far left is actually happy because their main enemy are the Democrats and "cringe liberals who are basically the same as fascists" not Republicans and they wanted Trump to win (or at least to feel good about themselves for not voting/voting for some crazy third party) because they want things to get worse to start their glorious revolution or whatever they want to call it these days. The people who are genuinely worried about the mentally unstable person being back in the office that holds probably most power in the world have good reasons to be worried that have nothing to do with political extremism.

[Dimity]

4 hours ago, JustHereForFood said:

The people who are genuinely worried about the mentally unstable person being back in the office that holds probably most power in the world have good reasons to be worried that have nothing to do with political extremism.

Exactly.  Of course no one wants the party they didn't vote for to win.  But most of the time while you aren't happy about it life goes on pretty much as before.  Most of the time.  In this specific case though we're dealing with a mentally unstable man who has no intention of actually being a leader making good choices for his country and the world.  He bullies, and blusters and threatens.  That's not leadership.  Almost as worrying he has chosen people for his inner circle that are mostly completely unsuited for their positions.  And this is not going to bode well for anyone in the US - Trump supporters included.

  And for those who are angry that this thread has been overwhelming anti-Trump, perhaps you could come here and post what you see as the positives of a Trump win and why you think this will benefit the country rather than posting insulting memes that reveal your hate.  Tell  us why a Trump win is leaving you optimistic rather than showing us that a Trump win is leaving you gloating.  It's really not the same thing.

Edited Monday at 08:04 PM by Dimity

[bluegirl147]

7 minutes ago, JustHereForFood said:

 

I know we have different definitions on what is far, centre or moderate, which is probably why so many unnecessary conflicts happen - in my understanding, the far left is actually happy because their main enemy are the Democrats and "cringe liberals who are basically the same as fascists" not Republicans and they wanted Trump to win (or at least to feel good about themselves for not voting/voting for some crazy third party) because they want things to get worse to start their glorious revolution or whatever they want to call it these days. The people who are genuinely worried about the mentally unstable person being back in the office that holds probably most power in the world have good reasons to be worried that have nothing to do with political extremism.

For people who voted for Trump I get it.  You think or hope he is going to do a better job than the alternative.  I disagree but I understand. But for the people who didn't vote for Harris because she wasn't going to do what you wanted her do and you decided to sit it out so Democrats would learn their lesson I will never understand.

I used to know someone who was far left and it was so tiresome being around her which was not all that often thank God. She was so obnoxious about what she thought was the right way to live.  And if you weren't living your life like her you were doing it wrong. 

[Ohiopirate02]

10 minutes ago, JustHereForFood said:

Well, yes. Or rather a combination of some being lazy, some (probably the majority) having not enough time to follow everything & the media not reporting on everything that governments do because it's taken for granted and not as entertaining to report on as scandals, plus many people simply wanting to have some group of people to blame for everything that goes wrong with their lives.

 

The media is not reporting on everything that governments do because the Fourth Estate really does not exist anymore. We get corporately owned national news, but state and local news is hard to come by and even then it's also corporately owned. My local paper is a pale shell of what it once was publishing 4 times a week with its skeleton crew which results in a handful of local stories interspersed between the AP News stories, obituaries, ads, legal notices, and sports. There is no one to cover what is happening in the various city councils or even at the State House until after a bill gets passed. The local TV news channel I watch tries because their corporate owner is not Sinclair Media, but there is only so much they can do.

If I want to keep up on my state and local politics, I have to follow various organizations and people on multiple social media platforms and pray that those platforms actually deign to show me things in a timely fashion.

[Anela]

8 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

For people who voted for Trump I get it.  You think or hope he is going to do a better job than the alternative.  I disagree but I understand. But for the people who didn't vote for Harris because she wasn't going to do what you wanted her do and you decided to sit it out so Democrats would learn their lesson I will never understand.

I used to know someone who was far left and it was so tiresome being around her which was not all that often thank God. She was so obnoxious about what she thought was the right way to live.  And if you weren't living your life like her you were doing it wrong. 

I don’t believe that most think he will do a better job, though. I remember when they were happy that McCarthy was given the boot, and wanted Mike Johnson. Now they want Johnson out, because he worked with the democrats.  Because he did his job.  

so, I might counter some things, but I’m not entertaining anyone who is in that group.  And I consider myself far left, but I voted for Hillary, and Kamala.  And Biden. Because it was the right thing to do.  I’ve seen pelosi shit all over progressives, and I’m not a fan.  In the meantime, MAGA has been trying to ban anything and anyone that doesn’t align with their lifestyle.  

[Dimity]

Over and above all else I just cannot take anyone seriously who considers politicians like Biden, Harris, Obama or Clinton (either one) as being left.  Left compared to MAGA maybe but not left in any other sense of the word.

[Anela]

2 minutes ago, Dimity said:

Over and above all else I just cannot take anyone seriously who considers politicians like Biden, Harris, Obama or Clinton (either one) as being left.  Left compared to MAGA maybe but not left in any other sense of the word.

They certainly aren’t far-left. 

[Dimity]

Just now, Anela said:

They certainly aren’t far-left. 

For wild eyed cranks like Trump there is no other kind.

[Anela]

1 minute ago, Dimity said:

For wild eyed cranks like Trump there is no other kind.

He doesn’t believe it, either.  It’s all spin to rile up the people who want to believe it.  

[Dimity]

Just now, Anela said:

He doesn’t believe it, either.  It’s all spin to rile up the people who want to believe it.  

He also doesn't really have an issue with things like abortion or vaccinations but he learned really fast that he needs to pretend  that he does.

[Anela]

6 minutes ago, Dimity said:

He also doesn't really have an issue with things like abortion or vaccinations but he learned really fast that he needs to pretend  that he does.

Right.  And I’m just so angry right now, because I have talked in good faith, and kindly, with people I’ve disagreed with, and they then turn around and shit on me, and others, and I’m reminded of how pointless most of it was, how much time I’ve wasted. It’s been *years*. 

I just saw this on twitter. ^^ I was thinking about them earlier.  The rioters were charged, but these people weren’t.  

Edited Monday at 04:38 PM by Anela

[bluegirl147]

The Right only accepted Trump because he sucked up to them and told them what they wanted to hear.  And unfortunately delivered on one of his promises.  Appointing anti choice SCOTUS Justices.

[peacheslatour]

4 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

The Right only accepted Trump because he sucked up to them and told them what they wanted to hear.  And unfortunately delivered on one of his promises.  Appointing anti choice SCOTUS Justices.

Most of that is on McConnell. Trump was just a rubber stamp. I seriously doubt Donald Trump believes in anything other than lining his pockets. You watch, now that he doesn't need their votes anymore, he will stop pandering to the religious right and the pro lifers. He will do whatever his oligarch overlords tell him to do and grab as much cash as he can. 

[Dimity]

Just now, peacheslatour said:

You watch, now that he doesn't need their votes anymore, he will stop pandering to the religious right and the pro lifers.

It's already started.  And the only reason I can see him still doing any pandering to anyone is that he craves the adulation he gets from his Nuremberg rallies.

[Yeah No]

2 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

That is part of the problem. Wanting to be in a space that is only people that think like you (not you specifically but general you).  Being in siloes has led to the extreme polarization of people's political beliefs.  Don't get me wrong this thread has been a help since the election being around people who feel like I do but I'm willing to listen to people who have different points of view. As long as they are respectful and not meant to belittle other people's beliefs. I would like to believe that all of us want this country and the people in it to succeed and do well and be healthy and happy.  We just disagree on who would be the best to help us achieve that.

I'm with you on that in theory, but I worry about it staying respectful here in practice given what I went through back in November here just for voicing some opinions that were slightly out of step with the majority here. And I'm not even a Trump supporter or anything CLOSE.

I don't really know how realistic it is to hope that it can stay respectful with people splitting hairs over what it means to be "liberal", etc. and other points of division between Democrats. I do think that if people with views less like the majority here feel uncomfortable voicing them they should have a place to voice them where they do feel comfortable. And based on my own experience on this thread, I can understand why they may feel uncomfortable voicing them here. And saying that doesn't mean I agree with them about everything either. Unfortunately I feel like all I have to do is make one comment out of step and some people presume that I'm one of "them" and either ignore my posts or refrain from liking them altogether. If they want to know how I feel about things they should pay closer attention to which posts I like on this thread, which is the vast majority of them!

[heatherchandler]

8 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

Everyone is an individual...and this individual DID get over it. So I only speak for myself and those that I know who were mature enough to do the same.

I don't care about being a minority here. I know this thread was made for the left. I'm just suggesting that we should also have a thread to share our opinions with like minded people. So, I don't need you to tell me where I can find/share my opinions. Nobody died and left you boss.

And you're wrong about not being attacked (in the beginning). There were several nasty posts that included name-calling, which were subsequently removed. So please don't tell me otherwise. I have the PMs to prove it. Shortly thereafter, the mods stepped in and posted their usual "suggestions" regarding 'agreeing to disagree' in a civil manner. 

I pop in here very rarely but I do like to discuss politics with all sides, so I check this out here and there.  In the last few pages, someone laughed about the Tesla exploding (no matter if it was because Tesla sucks, or a mentally unwell man took his life), it really struck me as sick to be honest.  Then another post is mentioning wanting to get an elderly man evicted from his home because he has commented to women that “they should be in movies,” which sounds like an older out of touch person trying to be kind in a clumsy way.  

The hatred toward Trump (doesn’t bother me) and the hatred toward Trump supporters (really bothers me) is off the charts.  People say, “so glad this forum exists, I need it!”  How does this hate make anyone feel better?
 

2 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

That is part of the problem. Wanting to be in a space that is only people that think like you (not you specifically but general you).  Being in siloes has led to the extreme polarization of people's political beliefs.  Don't get me wrong this thread has been a help since the election being around people who feel like I do but I'm willing to listen to people who have different points of view. As long as they are respectful and not meant to belittle other people's beliefs. I would like to believe that all of us want this country and the people in it to succeed and do well and be healthy and happy.  We just disagree on who would be the best to help us achieve that.

 

All due respect, this is a silo.  I believe there are people who think it’s open to all, but it is not.  
There is major belittling going on here.  Belittle Trump!  That’s normal to be angry at the politician, and critical of whatever he’s doing.  The hatred toward the republicans is unsettling.

 

13 minutes ago, Yeah No said:

I'm with you on that in theory, but I worry about it staying respectful here in practice given what I went through back in November here just for voicing some opinions that were slightly out of step with the majority here. And I'm not even a Trump supporter or anything CLOSE.

I don't really know how realistic it is to hope that it can stay respectful with people splitting hairs over what it means to be "liberal", etc. and other points of division between Democrats. I do think that if people with views less like the majority here feel uncomfortable voicing them they should have a place to voice them where they do feel comfortable. And based on my own experience on this thread, I can understand why they may feel uncomfortable voicing them here. And saying that doesn't mean I agree with them about everything either. Unfortunately I feel like all I have to do is make one comment out of step and some people presume that I'm one of "them" and either ignore my posts or refrain from liking them altogether. If they want to know how I feel about things they should pay closer attention to which posts I like on this thread, which is the vast majority of them!

This thread is extremely disrespectful and honestly hostile to anyone who comes close to sharing an opinion that isn’t anti-Trump.  
 

This isn’t a political discussion forum.  What’s the goal here?  Maybe just call it what it is?

[peacheslatour]

To me, this day will always be the day America was attacked. No different than 9/11. Only it's worse because we were attacked by our own citizens. I was frightened and disgusted  to my core. There is no defense.

Edited Monday at 06:00 PM by peacheslatour

[Dimity]

Today's Rolling Stone headline says it all:

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Trump’s Win Certified Without Violent Mob Attacking Capitol

And here folks, in 8 words, you have the difference between the Republicans and the Democrats.

Edited Monday at 06:54 PM by Dimity

[Dimity]

In other bad news for January 6th - PM Trudeau has officially announced that he will step down as PM as soon as a new leader for the party is chosen.  In news that makes me smile he has prorogued (suspended) parliament until March 24th.

 Essentially this means we won't get the early, forced election Pollievre has been agitating for for months.  And it also means the end of the NDP holding their support over Trudeau's head (the Liberals were a minority govt and because of this the NDP helped keep them in power every single damn time the Cons tried to pull a non-confidence vote).  It also means should the Cons prevail in the next election that the days of the NDP having any kind of political power in Ottawa are pretty much over.  So no great loss without some small gain.

[FilmTVGeek80]

10 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

Everyone is an individual...and this individual DID get over it. So I only speak for myself and those that I know who were mature enough to do the same.

I don't care about being a minority here. I know this thread was made for the left. I'm just suggesting that we should also have a thread to share our opinions with like minded people. So, I don't need you to tell me where I can find/share my opinions. Nobody died and left you boss.

And you're wrong about not being attacked (in the beginning). There were several nasty posts that included name-calling, which were subsequently removed. So please don't tell me otherwise. I have the PMs to prove it. Shortly thereafter, the mods stepped in and posted their usual "suggestions" regarding 'agreeing to disagree' in a civil manner. 

You're not only speaking for yourself when you say, "THE RIGHT gets over things quickly." You don't represent all of the right. If you had said, "I and my friends get over things quickly," that would have been a different story.

I don't recall saying that I was the boss. I gave you some advice that I would follow myself. If I were somewhere with posts that I found "tedious" and made me unhappy, I'd either stay away for a while or find somewhere else more my speed. I'm not making any demands. You're the one who demands a safe space for yourself.

This thread was not created for "the left." Here's the mod post about it: 

"I'm opening this topic so that we can keep the regular Chit-Chat politics free but there's a place to share your feelings.

With that said, feelings are complex and there's a range of them. We're all dealing with them in different ways, still, they're all equally valid, so, please recognize and respect them. 

If I see gloating, accusations, personal attacks or anything along those lines, I'm going to shut the topic down again."

You are allowed to post your differing opinion, but people are allowed to disagree and say why. 

3 hours ago, Dimity said:

 

  And for those who are angry that this thread has been overwhelming anti-Trump, perhaps you could come here and post what you see as the positives of a Trump win and why you think this will benefit the country rather than posting insulting memes that reveal your hate.  Tell  us why a Trump win is leaving you optimistic rather than showing us that a Trump win is leaving you gloating.  It's really not the same thing.

Exactly. Post your thoughts, but don't expect people to stay silent if you post something untrue or deliberately inflammatory.

2 hours ago, Yeah No said:

I'm with you on that in theory, but I worry about it staying respectful here in practice given what I went through back in November here just for voicing some opinions that were slightly out of step with the majority here. And I'm not even a Trump supporter or anything CLOSE.

I don't really know how realistic it is to hope that it can stay respectful with people splitting hairs over what it means to be "liberal", etc. and other points of division between Democrats. I do think that if people with views less like the majority here feel uncomfortable voicing them they should have a place to voice them where they do feel comfortable. And based on my own experience on this thread, I can understand why they may feel uncomfortable voicing them here. And saying that doesn't mean I agree with them about everything either. Unfortunately I feel like all I have to do is make one comment out of step and some people presume that I'm one of "them" and either ignore my posts or refrain from liking them altogether. If they want to know how I feel about things they should pay closer attention to which posts I like on this thread, which is the vast majority of them!

I'm not sure what you went through in November. I remember you posting something and people disagreeing with it, which you called "nitpicking." I also remember you repeatedly singling someone out for an anecdote they posted. People are allowed to ignore posts or not like them. If people are uncomfortable expressing their views here, that seems to be an issue of their own making. They are the ones choosing to stay away. No one demanded that of them. You can post here but don't expect everyone to like everything you say or engage with it exactly how you want them to.

1 hour ago, heatherchandler said:

I pop in here very rarely but I do like to discuss politics with all sides, so I check this out here and there.  In the last few pages, someone laughed about the Tesla exploding (no matter if it was because Tesla sucks, or a mentally unwell man took his life), it really struck me as sick to be honest.  Then another post is mentioning wanting to get an elderly man evicted from his home because he has commented to women that “they should be in movies,” which sounds like an older out of touch person trying to be kind in a clumsy way.  

The hatred toward Trump (doesn’t bother me) and the hatred toward Trump supporters (really bothers me) is off the charts.  People say, “so glad this forum exists, I need it!”  How does this hate make anyone feel better?
 

All due respect, this is a silo.  I believe there are people who think it’s open to all, but it is not.  
There is major belittling going on here.  Belittle Trump!  That’s normal to be angry at the politician, and critical of whatever he’s doing.  The hatred toward the republicans is unsettling.

 

This thread is extremely disrespectful and honestly hostile to anyone who comes close to sharing an opinion that isn’t anti-Trump.  
 

This isn’t a political discussion forum.  What’s the goal here?  Maybe just call it what it is?

People laughed about the Tesla exploding initially because they thought it was because Musk and his product were that shitty. That was before it was known as a terrorist act. Given what happened in the election, it makes people feel better - I know it does for me - to see that they are not alone in how they feel. If hating 45 or his supporters is something you can't understand, that's fine. But don't judge others because they do. I don't feel bad for belittling people who voted for a rapist sociopath. 

It's not a silo just because people like you have chosen to stay away. That's your choice. Other people don't have to stifle how they feel just because you don't like it. 

I already posted the note for what this thread was made for. And it says it right there in the title FEELS. 

Edited Monday at 07:27 PM by FilmTVGeek80

[Is Everyone Gone]

Just want to commend Kamala for the grace with which she handled today's certification. It must have been crushing but she did it with class, as usual.

 

[Dimity]

3 minutes ago, Is Everyone Gone said:

Just want to commend Kamala for the grace with which she handled today's certification. It must have been crushing but she did it with class, as usual.

The difference between crass and class.  Why so many chose the former over the latter is something I will never understand.

[Anela]

The Tesla explosion was caused by a veteran, who wanted to have democrats culled from D.C. if gentler measures didn’t prevail. 

https://lailluminator.com/2025/01/03/cybertruck-explosion/

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LAS VEGAS – The Green Beret who shot himself seconds before the Tesla Cybertruck he rented went up in a fiery explosion outside Trump International Hotel on New Year’s Day referred to the event as “a wake up call” and effort to rid himself of the “burden” of the lives he took in combat.

He also advocated a Jan. 6-like takeover of federal buildings and the ouster of Democrats from government and the military.

“Try peaceful means first, but be prepared to fight to get the Dems out of the fed government and military by any means necessary,” he wrote. “They all must go and a hard reset must occur for our country to avoid collapse.”

“Fellow Servicemembers, Veterans and all Americans, TIME TO WAKE UP! We are being led by weak and feckless leadership who only serve to enrich themselves,” Matthew Livelsberger wrote on one of two iPhones retrieved from the vehicle, in what police call two letters and a journal detailing his preparations in the 10 days leading up to his suicide.

Evidence reviewed by police thus far “scratches the surface” of the information retrieved by investigators, Clark County Sheriff Kevin McMahill said at a news conference Friday.

Metro’s release of the text following the news conference revealed Livelsberger’s messaging spiraled into a rant urging militia to line streets and converge on federal buildings.

“We are the United States of America, the best country people to ever exist! But right now we are terminally ill and headed towards collapse,” reads a second entry. “This was not a terrorist attack, it was a wake up call. Americans only pay attention to spectacles and violence. What better way to get my point across than a stunt with fireworks and explosives? Why did I personally do it now? I needed to cleanse my mind of the brothers I’ve lost, and relieve myself of the burden of the lives I took.”

“We are also aware that there were potential other family issues or personal grievances in his own life that may have been contributing factors,” FBI Special Agent in Charge Spencer Evans told reporters.

He added that law enforcement learned through interviews that Livelsberger suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder and had “no animosity toward the president-elect.”

Livelsberger urges the nation to rally around Trump and Elon Musk, and calls for a negotiated settlement in Ukraine.

“Focus on strength and winning. Masculinity is good and men must be leaders. Strength is a deterrent and fear is the product,” he wrote.

“Stop obsessing over diversity,” he added. “We are all diverse and DEI is a cancer. Thankfully we rejected the DEI candidate and will have a real President instead of Weekend at Bernie’s.”

Authorities have found no definitive connection between Livelsberger and the perpetrator of the New Orleans Bourbon Street massacre on New Year’s Day.

McMahill observed that the highly-decorated soldier who served five tours of combat was “not much different” than the officers at Metro, and noted the department’s focus on “taking care of the heart, mind, body and soul of the people that are out there doing this work because they’re exposed to things, they see things, they hear things, they feel things, and they smell things that most normal people don’t have to do. And the heroes that are serving in the military and on the front lines of America’s policing are challenged that way.”

The incident, he said, is a reminder to “pay attention to what mental health in America looks like” and a reminder of the “need to talk about these things.”

Note: This story was updated with information included in a link police provided to two of the notes found on Livelsberger’s phone. 

This report was first published by the Nevada Current, part of the States Newsroom nonprofit news network. It’s supported by grants and a coalition of donors as a 501c(3) public charity. Nevada Current maintains editorial independence. Contact Editor Hugh Jackson for questions: info@nevadacurrent.com.

 

 

[tres bien]

Not one democrat called the election stolen, fraudulent or stolen. Not one democrat threatened that if the VP certified the election we’d never have a country again

The president didn’t snub his predecessor and not invite him to the White House after the election 

Not one democrat threatened to have someone hung for doing their constitutional duty. Not one democrat beat the shit out of police officers or crashed thru doors and windows and defiled the Capital and embarrassed us to the world.
I believe the democrats are decent people that care about America and Americans. I hope voters feel that way in 2026

 

Edited Monday at 08:04 PM by tres bien

[peacheslatour]

7 minutes ago, tres bien said:

Not one democrat called the election stolen, fraudulent or stolen. Not one democrat threatened that if the VP certified the election we’d never have a country again

The president didn’t snub his predecessor and not invite him to the White House after the election 

Not one democrat threatened to have someone hung for doing their constitutional duty. Not one democrat beat the shit out of police officers or crashed thru doors and windows and defiled the Capital and embarrassed us to the world 
I seriously don’t want to hear one fucking thing from one fucking MAGA. I still believe this going to go badly. The sooner the better 

I hope they get everything they voted for.

[tres bien]

PS: I was editing my original post for fear of getting in trouble with the mod. But since you quoted me from the the original so be it! 🤣

[peacheslatour]

No more pets in the White House. Donald Trump has never had a pet in his whole life. 

You see, Mr. Simpson, a man, well, he'll walk right into Hell with both eyes open. But even the Devil can't fool a dog!

[Dimity]

And of course Trump/Musk react to Trudeau resigning by talking, once again, about us become the 51st state.  President-Elect also known as the official shit disturber.

[anony.miss]

33 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

No more pets in the White House. Donald Trump has never had a pet in his whole life.

Perhaps Trump was admitting something...

"He's eating the dogs, he's eating the cats!"

~pass the ketchup

 

Edited Monday at 08:43 PM by anony.miss

[Notabug]

On 1/1/2025 at 3:47 PM, PRgal said:

ETA:  As for my personal views on abortion, it's the woman's right to choose.  However, I've heard very stories of very premature babies being born and the hospitals not resuscitating them because they did not meet the minimum 24 weeks.  At the same time, they were also not considered stillborn.  

Hospitals do not resuscitate extremely premature babies unless their parents request it.  The fact of the matter is, before 24 weeks, survival rates are dismal and the small percentage who do survive are frequently faced with significant cognitive and motor disabilities.  Just as an elderly person with a poor quality of life or a cancer patient with non curable disease can choose to refuse resuscitation should they experience a cardiac or respiratory arrest; the parents of children with similarly poor prognosis are entitled to make a DNR decision on behalf of their child. 

I am an ob/gyn with 40+ years experience and marvel at the ability of neonatologists to save extremely premature kids; but I have also witnessed cases where the parents requested resuscitation but the baby was actually too small for any of the instruments such as endotracheal tubes required for resuscitation, so, yes, in those instances, babies have been allowed to die in their parents arms rather than persist in futile treatments.

[peacheslatour]

Just now, Notabug said:

Hospitals do not resuscitate extremely premature babies unless their parents request it.  The fact of the matter is, before 24 weeks, survival rates are dismal and the small percentage who do survive are frequently faced with significant cognitive and motor disabilities.  Just as an elderly person with a poor quality of life or a cancer patient with non curable disease can choose to refuse resuscitation should they experience a cardiac or respiratory arrest; the parents of children with similarly poor prognosis are entitled to make a DNR decision on behalf of their child. 

I am an ob/gyn with 40+ years experience and marvel at the ability of neonatologists to save extremely premature kids; but I have also witnessed cases where the parents requested resuscitation but the baby was actually too small for any of the instruments such as endotracheal tubes required for resuscitation, so, yes, in those instances, babies have been allowed to die in their parents arms rather than persist in futile treatments.

It's a horrible decision to have to make but many pre-term babies like that have so many problems that they face a very short life, full of pain. It's the kindest thing a person can do for someone they love. I learned a long time ago, there are miles of difference between being nice and being kind.

[bluegirl147]

10 minutes ago, Dimity said:

And of course Trump/Musk react to Trudeau resigning by talking, once again, about us become the 51st state.  President-Elect also known as the official shit disturber.

Musk also posted perhaps Great Britain needs the US to come and save them from their I think the word he used was tyrannical government. 

You know someone writing a very bad movie wouldn't even write Musk as a character.  His wanting to flex his power by (not) jokingly wanting to be king of world is getting tedious.

[peacheslatour]

"I'm the king of the world!"

[Dimity]

21 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

"I'm the king of the world!"

And right now he really does think this.  As others in this thread have noted though he really needs to crack open a few history books.  Or even basic physics.  What goes up, must come down.  He's riding for a fall and I think most of us will be there to cheer when it finally happens.

[Ohiopirate02]

The seafood restaurant in my town changed its sign over the weekend to read "Happy January 20th." I will never again step into that place though I am not all that surprised. I know I encounter MAGAs out in the wild every time I leave the house, I just didn't expect them to be so open about it. And the place is one that definitely treats their workers like shit. Their sign rotates between holiday greetings and "we're hiring." I suspect the sign will change after the 20th to the usual standby.

There is also a BBQ place where the walls are plastered with pictures of the owner and various Republican leaders. The man gave space to Mark Robinson back in October for a rally after all the news about Mark broke if that gives you any idea what kind of person the owner is. In the last decade, I have only eaten there once where I noticed the pictures and have never set foot back in there since. He's another local business owner who claims to be a Christian while paying his employees the minimum.

[Dimity]

2 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

The seafood restaurant in my town changed its sign over the weekend to read "Happy January 20th."

You should go in and praise them for acknowledging Martin Luther King day.

[Ohiopirate02]

7 minutes ago, Dimity said:

You should go in and praise them for acknowledging Martin Luther King day.

Nah, I really only went there once a year on Ash Wednesday. I don't normally crave fried seafood, and when I do I want to wash it down with an ice cold beer. Which I cannot get at that establishment.