S09.E19: Reunion Part 1

[motorcitymom65]

So after seeing this epi last night I still am not clear if Terry really made the 'taking down the Beadors' comment or not. If he didn't, why is he not furious at Tamra for making it up? But then Terry wasn't mad at Eddie for the comment Eddie made about Heather riding the bull like she rides Terry. And his reason for not being mad? Because they are friends? Really? Shouldn't that made you madder, than some guy you don't even know making a comment. What an idiot.

 

I love though that the Beadors pointed out that the HiBrows never apologize for anything. What a petty, obnoxious pair they are.

I don't think we will ever know the answer to this question. I think that the reason Terry is not mad at Tamra is that he doesn't believe Shannon. He doesn't think that Tamra said it. 

 

I have seen nothing in Shannon that would lead me to believe she would make something like that up, while I have seen plenty to make me think that Tamra would. Tamra would lie even if the truth sounded better.  The thing that sticks in my mind here is the language that is used. Shannon said that Tamra told her that "The Dubrow's want to take down the Beador's". It is interesting simply because the only person that refers to anyone on the show in this manner is Shannon. Tamra always says "Heather & Terry" or "Shannon & David". Shannon on the other hand constantly refers to the others as the "Dubrow's" and calls herself "Beador". It is interesting to note, and Andy pointed it out at the reunion. It just makes me wonder if the truth doesn't lie somewhere in the middle, as is per usual in most instances. 

[PhilMarlowe2]

On that same note, Tamra accused Lizzie at the reunion of "wanting to take [Tamra] down." Andy caught it and kept asking Tamra, "Did you just say Lizzie 'wants to take you down?'" In perfect deflecting style, Tamra totally glazed over it and then got really melodramatic, "I am so mad right now I am about to lose it!" And Andy dropped it. Very interesting choice of words on Tamra's part.

[UsernameFatigue]

I think that the reason Terry is not mad at Tamra is that he doesn't believe Shannon. He doesn't think that Tamra said it.

 

I thought that might be possible that Terry didn't believe Tamra said it except that Vicki finally confirmed to everyone else at the reunion that Tamra said it to HER as well. Vicki admitted it in a TH a few epis ago when it was brought up at Lizzie's party. She said in the TH that Tamra told her that Terry had said that, but that she did not want to get into it with Tamra so she did not confront her at the party. Which I thought was a really chicken shit thing to do as it would have confirmed that Tamra was lying, not Shannon.

[motorcitymom65]

I thought that might be possible that Terry didn't believe Tamra said it except that Vicki finally confirmed to everyone else at the reunion that Tamra said it to HER as well. Vicki admitted it in a TH a few epis ago when it was brought up at Lizzie's party. She said in the TH that Tamra told her that Terry had said that, but that she did not want to get into it with Tamra so she did not confront her at the party. Which I thought was a really chicken shit thing to do as it would have confirmed that Tamra was lying, not Shannon.

I agree.  It was a chicken shit thing for Vicki to do. Confirming what Tamra had said might have changed the course of that evening because Shannon would have had someone standing up and confirming she wasn't a loon.  

 

The problem with all of these people, and with Andy most of all, is that no one knows how to actually get to the bottom of anything, which makes it hard to know who to believe.  Shannon said Tamra told her this on "multiple occasions". If someone said something like that to me once, I would be probing like a Proctologist. When did she say it? What was the context? Was she serious? I would have had to have known, but Shannon said she really didn't think much about it until after the deal where Heather asked her to leave her house. She went over to Heather's house, knowing not only that she had said this on "multiple occasions", but also that she had been gossiping about her at a table with her friends, but thought that she would be welcomed and get the information she wanted? Makes no sense to me.  But Tamra looks like a liar too. If someone accused me of saying something like that, I would say "when did I say that? What were we talking about when I said that"? If it wasn't true, I would press for specifics and details to prove they were lying, or at least try to, but Tamra didn't, which makes it seem like she didn't want to press.  If I were Heather and I heard Vicki say that Tamra had said this to her, again, I would be pressing. When/where/why/how? Why does no one every dig and get to the bottom of anything? It drives me to drink.

Edited September 10, 2014 by motorcitymom65

[zoeysmom]

I agree.  It was a chicken shit thing for Vicki to do. Confirming what Tamra had said might have changed the course of that evening because Shannon would have had someone standing up and confirming she wasn't a loon.  

 

The problem with all of these people, and with Andy most of all, is that no one knows how to actually get to the bottom of anything, which makes it hard to know who to believe.  Shannon said Tamra told her this on "multiple occasions". If someone said something like that to me once, I would be probing like a Proctologist. When did she say it? What was the context? Was she serious? I would have had to have known, but Shannon said she really didn't think much about it until after the deal where Heather asked her to leave her house. She went over to Heather's house, knowing not only that she had said this on "multiple occasions", but also that she had been gossiping about her at a table with her friends, but thought that she would be welcomed and get the information she wanted? Makes no sense to me.  But Tamra looks like a liar too. If someone accused me of saying something like that, I would say "when did I say that? What were we talking about when I said that"? If it wasn't true, I would press for specifics and details to prove they were lying, or at least try to, but Tamra didn't, which makes it seem like she didn't want to press.  If I were Heather and I heard Vicki say that Tamra had said this to her, again, I would be pressing. When/where/why/how? Why does no one every dig and get to the bottom of anything? It drives me to drink.

They probably have tape of Tamra saying it and Terry saying it for that matter.  So Shannon relies on the tape and production to back her. Production wants to stretch the storyline and doesn't want a winner so they don't  release it because they want to see what happens.  At the beginning of the season when Shannon is waving her arm around about the truth she says something about the tape(s).  By the time they ran the clip-they had a talking head of Vicki saying it-so they do not have to settle the score.  I agree I would have said to Vicki-when did I say that?  The problem is if she said it in front of a production person or in a storyline context I don't think these folks are smart enough to work their way around it.  Just like Tamra made the mistake of saying, "when I saw you and David talking about it in the limo on the way to Lizzie's. . . ", well she would not have seen it or a producer told her about it or she made stuff up after the fact.  Shannon could have said-"how would you know what David and I were talking about in the limo?"

 

I find it very annoying last year in the RHOBH.  They left quite a bit out of what they showed at the beginning of the season.  According to Alex McCord's Monday Vlog-by the time they get half way through the season they are still editing and sometime re-shooting different confessionals and making stories work.  She also said that there are times by the time the shoot the Reunion they haven't necessarily jelled the final copies of the remaining shows.

[Scrambled Fog]

On that same note, Tamra accused Lizzie at the reunion of "wanting to take [Tamra] down." Andy caught it and kept asking Tamra, "Did you just say Lizzie 'wants to take you down?'" In perfect deflecting style, Tamra totally glazed over it and then got really melodramatic, "I am so mad right now I am about to lose it!" And Andy dropped it. Very interesting choice of words on Tamra's part.

I am glad someone else heard and saw that. I wasn't sure if I heard and saw what I thought I heard and saw, at first.

That tells me all I need to know about where the "take the Beadors down" turn of phrase originated. It came from Tamra. Because Tamra is, in my opinion, a Mini Flyweight Keyser Soze, the wording might be loosely inspired by actual events.

It is so interesting what information can be gleaned from just letting a person talk.

Edited September 11, 2014 by Scrambled Fog

[UsernameFatigue]

That tells me all I need to know about where the "take the Beadors down" turn of phrase originated. It came from Tamra.

 

Totally agree with this. I do not see that phrase "taking down" as something that would even be in Shannon's vocabulary. She may have faults but she is a classy person. Tamra on the other hand - not so much. Or not at all.

[Scrambled Fog]

I do not see that phrase "taking down" as something that would even be in Shannon's vocabulary. She may have faults but she is a classy person. Tamra on the other hand - not so much. Or not at all.

I agree with you. Even after Shannon repeated the "taking down" phrase several times, it didn't seem to naturally roll off her tongue, in my opinion.

Shannon might have some eccentricities, but she is a good person. Besides, don't we all have some quirks and eccentricities?

Edited September 12, 2014 by Scrambled Fog

[dangwoodchucks]

Oh Tamra, keeping it classy as always. She can use the excuse that her vile behavior is required for her "job", but I have no doubt this is what she's really like. That 'fuck you' to Vicki was sincere. I can't imagine anyone would want to continue to be friends with Tamra after that (in addition to everything else she's done).

 

When did Tamra start hating Shannon? I know Tamra was talking about Shannon behind her back all along, but they were still friends it seems, since Shannon blamed Heather more than Tamra for emailgate. Seems to me she started turning at Lizzie's party and then things escalated in Bali. By the time of Vicki's dinner, Tamra was fully ensconced in Heather's camp against Shannon and David.

 

I loved the looks they showed Lizzie sending Tamra's way whenever Tamra was trying to defend herself or lie some more. I could imagine Lizzie saying "I see who you are" just like Lydia did to Slade last season.

 

When they flashed back to Ryan telling Tamra he was moving away, she whined that he was all she had left. WTF? Apparently her other three children don't count because she only has them 50% of the time? Does she think Simon should never see his children so she can have them 100% of the time and exploit them on a reality show? I'm not defending Simon here, he had no problem with them being filmed when he was on the show so it seems like sour grapes to me that he doesn't want them being filmed now.

 

I think the Dubrows and their hypocrisy has been pretty well covered here already, but I did want to mention I liked David referring to Miss Terry's reaction at Vicki's dinner as being "scary angry", you know, like Heather's perception of Shannon at Javier's. I don't remember if they showed any reaction from Heather and Terry to that.

 

It used to be more fun to watch the women interact with each other in an organic way. Vicki and Shannon having fun together kind of things. Now it just seems to be someone makes a comment/someone is hurt by the comment or overreacts/apology or non-apology takes place. Rinse and repeat. This season can be condensed to chairgate, emailgate, marry-shag-kill-gate, take the Beadors down-gate. This isn't entertaining. Or at least that's my perception of it.

[leisawoo]

And that is just one of the reasons I like Mr. Beador.

[Souvlaki]

Uh-oh. Shannon's giving you a quivering side-eye on that one! I have no idea why, but I do have a soft spot for Shannon. But I still get the feeling, despite her strong objections to the accusations of her being a loon, she does look all too often on the edge of a pretty severe breakdown.

And isn't it so cruel to note, on camera the fragility of someone and then hit them on every breakable spot? Sociopath. Every time ratstunk Tamra or Miss Terry and Madame started their obnoxious squeaking I wished I had the Pied Piper on speed dial.