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emmybenz
emmybenz

So, I'm a bit of an oddball here: I'm a Regina fan. I ship OQ & CS -- OQ a bit more. But this conversation caught my attention and I had to reply. I saw Lana at Regal Con this year, and I saw Lana

angelwoody
angelwoody

I see no reason why anyone (celebrity or not) is obligated to turn a rude tweet into a "teaching moment."  I think that social media can make people forget their manners.  I highly doubt that whoever

october
october

Their 'logic' changes depending on the circumstances so Hook always 'loses'. Outside of dumping Emma and pushing her into Regina's arms I don't think there's anything he could do to earn their approva

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CatMack

CatMack

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The Captain Swan tag on tumblr is being flooded with spam.  Some of it is kind of gross, so be warned (gross as in popping wounds, not porn...that I've seen...yet).  

 

ETA: To be clear, this doesn't seem to be a shipping thing - it's happening in a lot of tags for a lot of different shows and fandoms.  Some people have no lives.

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Faemonic

Faemonic

I understand not wanting events organizers or whoever to be fired or sued, and Angstbotfic must have some trust and respect for whoever the source is even though my understanding of JMo's non-pregnancy announcement is waaay more complicated than JMo straight-up reading Winger-Hawk's meta* and falling into a grump, and that seems to be the other main argument for how her straight-up badmouthing ABF could happen, so that's silly, but... "People heard her do it"? That's like Dothraki citation. (From Game of Thrones, the people who go all, "It Is Known. It Is Known!")

 

* readers of winger-hawk read winger-hawk's insistently persistently reproduction-obsessed captain swan meta and flooded JMo's twitter about it to the point she addressed that she was not in her first trimester of pregnancy...not that Emma wasn't pregnant, so there was already Game of Whispers confusion there

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Rumsy4

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They had bts pictures of JMo with her tummy circled "proving" that Emma looked pregnant. So, I don't blame JMo for debunking that she wasn't pregnant. It's not criminal to have crazy theories, but I agree that the sheer number of people tweeting JMo that pregnancy meta was insane and embarrassing. What next, tweeting her fanfic? *shudders*

 

Honestly, if JMo did mention a couple of bloggers backstage by their blog names, what of it? She is allowed to express her frustrations about people who persistently portray her in an unflattering light. There is no such thing as privacy on the internet. They can't have it both ways. If you don't want JMo to read you calling her a homophobe and closet lesbian and having threeways with actors (not joking), don't write it. And if she did read someone going off on her, she has every right  to express her frustration about it. At the end of the day, the privacy of the blogger is still protected. JMo wasn't doxing someone. It's JMo that is being publicly vilified. It seems clear to me that some fans are taking out their frustrations about Lana's EW interview comment on Jen. Understandable perhaps, but not fair.

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sharky

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But let's be honest: the truth is that JMo never mentioned ABF or anyone else by name. She doesn't lurk on tumblr. She doesn't know fans by their Twitter handles. She's an actor on the show, not a fangirl posting gifs of Hook's new wardrobe to her tumblr titled sailingwithcaptainswan or something. This isn't something she has done because this isn't something she ever does.

 

But you know who does do things? The SQ bad apples. For a fandom that's based on fables and fairy tales, they don't seem to have any knowledge of the boy who cried wolf, do they? Which is interesting because they have repeatedly cried wolf. A CS fan somehow hacked the tumblr of a well-known SQer? Yep, that turned out to be a lie. CS fans were trying to hack into Twitter accounts? Those "hacks" were all fabricated. Now this? It's a lie. Not surprising. The SQ fandom is full of them. Hell, an SQ fan lied about what she had previously posted online so she could get a media pass to confront JMo about the whole saving Regina nonsense.

 

I'm so glad they're melting down even more after the Hook poster came out yesterday. I'm so glad they're threatening once again to quit the show and not watch it anymore. Good riddance. But of course, let's see if they end up lying about that too.

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Faemonic

Faemonic

What next, tweeting her fanfic? *shudders*

My browser's too outdated for Twitter, but I'm surprised that hasn't already happened and tweeters have long moved on tweeting her RPF! And bad photoshopped manips (that would, admittedly, still likely be better than the official promotional graphics).

There is no such thing as privacy on the internet. They can't have it both ways. If you don't want JMo to read you calling her a homophobe and closet lesbian and having threeways with actors (not joking), don't write it.

That last allegation definitely says far more about the accuser than JMo herself.

And if she did read someone going off on her, she has every right  to express her frustration about it. At the end of the day, the privacy of the blogger is still protected. JMo wasn't doxing someone. It's JMo that is being publicly vilified.

World of word.

It seems clear to me that some fans are taking out their frustrations about Lana's EW interview comment on Jen. Understandable perhaps, but not fair.

Not fair, and not right, and I even refuse to understand that.

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Selina K

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But let's be honest: the truth is that JMo never mentioned ABF or anyone else by name. She doesn't lurk on tumblr. She doesn't know fans by their Twitter handles. She's an actor on the show, not a fangirl posting gifs of Hook's new wardrobe to her tumblr titled sailingwithcaptainswan or something. This isn't something she has done because this isn't something she ever does.

 

Beyond the SQ propensity for falsehood, this is one of those "celebrities, they're just like us!" situations.  If I can sit here and create gifs for tumblr for 10 hours a day, I bet actors are too! Because they're on twitter and have an Instagram account, they must be reading every response one by one and that would take hours!  Jmo seriously has better things to do with her time than worry what SQ<3 has to say about her today.

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Serena

Serena

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I think JMo as a woman in Hollywood has not had an easy time dealing with the body-shaming in the business. Having people speculating about her body and circling parts of it to show how "fat" she looks wouldn't be easy for anyone. I remember during the first season of House she was so young, she still had some "baby fat" on her cheeks (she looked adorable). Then as soon as season 2 hit, she had lost all of it and more. I wouldn't be surprised if she had to deal with some difficult producers about how many pounds she needed to lose (of course, I'm not talking about A&E! I don't think for a second THEY would do that) - basically all actresses do. Not to mention, just look at what bullshit gets thrown at Ginny about her pregnancy weight!

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YaddaYadda

YaddaYadda

Between this thing with Jen, Ginny being body shamed during, and after her first pregnancy, Carrie Fisher who has been slammed for looking 30 years older, and not having the body she used to have, for me, it's too much.

 

It's okay to tell people to fuck off, and stick their opinions.

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mjgchick

mjgchick

I think she has a nice body. I love her arms so the fandom can suck it for doing that to her.

 

I find it funny that people are now upset that the storyline arcs aren't as ensemble like but when 3B and 4B happened it was real quite on that front.

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Hookian

Hookian

Oh man the official FB and Twitter page have changed their entire layout to Hook. It's literally like anytime these idiots start crying or screaming they just give them more lmao. They're giving these punks all the middle fingers.

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YaddaYadda

YaddaYadda

So People's Choice Awards are tonight and JMo is still in LA...

 

Maybe she's attending because she's nominated? Both she and Ginny are. I'll be shocked if she wins since Lady Gaga is in the same category as her.

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At first I was like Star Wars versus Harry Potter!? How am I supposed to choose? Then I realized we were talking the Harry Potter movies, not the books, and my choice was clear. Sorry Harry, your Force is not as strong on the bigscreen.

 

Glad I didn't see this last week, because I don't know how I would have chosen between Once and Doctor Who.

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ABitOFluff

ABitOFluff

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Holycrap fans are bitter that ABC wants to keep Once for as long as they can and the fact NA used the two Dark Ones kissing pic has made them lose it all over again.

Of course, it completely debunks their theory that no SQ and more Hook means everyone hates the show and that it's on the verge of cancellation.

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Hookian

Hookian

WHAT DO YOU MEAN!? THE SHOW IS CANCELLED! IT'S SO CANCELLED IT'S A JOKE! SQ 4 LIFE, THEY WILL NEVER TAKE THAT AWAY FROM US! F HOOK F OUAT

ABC: More Hook, Hook posters, Captain Swan, Once on for many years to come.

These morons still don't get that they watch the show illegally. They don't live in the USA so they don't matter.

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Serena

Serena

Well, one of the only things that makes them happy about Once is the belief (true only in their minds) that it has bad ratings and will be cancelled, and the cancellation will go down in tv memory as "CS' fault". Hearing the ABC president say they want to keep it around? Can't feel good.

 

BTW, he also said he wants to keep around Caste (even without the leads!), Nashville and ordered a SHIELD spin-off, and those are all shows with ratings way worse than Once's.

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Hookian

Hookian

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Well, one of the only things that makes them happy about Once is the belief (true only in their minds) that it has bad ratings and will be cancelled, and the cancellation will go down in tv memory as "CS' fault". Hearing the ABC president say they want to keep it around? Can't feel good.

BTW, he also said he wants to keep around Caste (even without the leads!), Nashville and ordered a SHIELD spin-off, and those are all shows with ratings way worse than Once's.

Yeah well these people can't comprehend a lot of things. Like no means no which hey isn't that kind of in line with what they're against and they scream that Hook represents. cough* rape culture* cough*

I mean ABC has pretty much made it known they don't give two craps about these people.

They say no more Hook and CS. Hook is the official poster of 5B. CS is the main couple of the show not going anywhere.

They're just bitter as can be and now after everything they scream oh it's getting cancelled. Nope, ABC wants it on for many years to come.

It will see it's 7 season run, I'm confident of that.

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Faemonic

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Yeah well these people can't comprehend a lot of things. Like no means no which hey isn't that kind of in line with what they're against and they scream that Hook represents. cough* rape culture* cough*

Ugh, I know! It's no actual recent event that's gotten me ranting about this, it's just that it stews for a while and then I woke up awfully cross. First, there's this memory I have from a discussion that's actually so old I don't remember which fandom it was for. But this one poster ranted about the proliferation of graphic depictions of rape in fanfiction, and how people who write that sort of thing don't know what it's like and should get to know what it's like. Another poster mentioned that not every fanfic like that was automatically about fetishizing sexual violence, but sometimes was the writer's way of processing emotions or events, and that poster opened up about her own real-life rape. The first poster replied with, "Oh, you were raped? Good. Whore." And I was just reading that exchange (I was about 14 years old then) and I was beyond appalled, because that first poster came off as genuinely upset about something important at first, but internet anonymity be damned that sort of response to another valuable perspective should not be an option. And I don't believe that poster was trolling, or thought the response would be funny only because of the timing; I suspect that silencing any dissent really was the most important thing in the world.

So, I shouldn't be surprised...that some individuals so passionately advocating for the removal of this fictional "embodiment of rape culture and misogyny" (your headcanon is not canon) also make misogynistic accusations about the sex lives of the real-life actresses, also voice paternalistic concern about male role models of young ladies for real-life relationships as though young ladies didn't have agency or autonomy or minds of their own to decide what sort of relationships they'll have that's not even any of your business (and as though these young ladies would all be heterosexual and cisgender), also write RPF with graphic depictions of rape starring Hook fans and shove it in the faces of those specific fans...and then turn around and say that this fictional representation has a direct real life effect so criticism of the criticism of this fiction supports rape in real life.

Just...just stop, stop it, stop! You're advocacying all wrong! You're exemplary of the exact same thing you're making noise about being a bad thing! And there's more than one of that sort of thing, so it's not like it's the same not-troll from all those years ago making with the sockpuppets. This sort of toxic nonsense must be common. Sheesh.

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sharky

sharky

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She really can't be professional for once.

I wonder if someone at ABC told her to use the pic if only she can throw a shade of two at the show.

As someone who has worked for a few news sites, this sounds awesome but doesn't happen. No one runs photos based on what some flacks at the network suggest they run. It was most likely an intern working on the weekend who needed art for the story and went to ABC's press site, where that photo is on the first page of photos. Of course, that makes this all a bit more hilarious considering the SQ fans are bent out of shape about EW using that photo when, again, weekend skeleton crew just trying to get the story posted.

And don't get me started on the shade NA is trying to throw with the ratings numbers. Everyone is down since 2011. It's called cord cutting. It has nothing to do with Hook or CS or the threatened SQ exodus that I doubt has actually happened anyway.

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Rumsy4

Rumsy4

they watch the show illegally. They don't live in the USA so they don't matter.

Very true. For people who watch the show illegally, it funny they act so entitled.

also write RPF with graphic depictions of rape starring Hook fans and shove it in the faces of those specific fans..

I didn't know such things existed in fandom. It's beyond appalling.

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Minneapple

Minneapple

Hook has been on the show for three seasons now and Captain Swan have been a *thing* since then, even if they weren't together. Even if Once was canceled now, how is that CS' fault? Suddenly three years later ABC execs woke up to figure out that the low ratings were CS' fault and canceled the show in a fit of rage!

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Faemonic

Faemonic

I didn't know such things existed in fandom. It's beyond appalling.

I thought it was from one of your reblogs that I heard about it happen? But that was back in the TWOP days. Still so angry that none of those other chivalrous protectors of fair maidens against the worst interpretation of imaginary pirates ever spoke up about that being out of line.
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Rumsy4

Rumsy4

I thought it was from one of your reblogs that I heard about it happen? But that was back in the TWOP days. Still so angry that none of those other chivalrous protectors of fair maidens against the worst interpretation of imaginary pirates ever spoke up about that being out of line.

I thought you meant there was a RPG where this was done. But yeah. I remember that tumblr incident. No words.

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Mathius

Mathius

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Lower ratings are, with a few exceptions like with some cable shows, always going to happen with each passing season of a TV show.  They don't mean anything.  What you use to judge if a show is "doing good" in ratings and "doing bad" in ratings is general steadiness or lack thereof.  With this show, only 2B, the last few episodes of 4A, and 4B stand out as cases where the ratings did bad due to how quickly and steeply the numbers dropped. Conversely, 5A was steady, which is why Paul Lee cited it as doing great in his comment.  If the show manages to replicate that kind of performance each half-season, it will stick around for a while.  One more 4B-type half-season and its future won't be so long or bright.

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Serena

Serena

So I was bored and I checked Adam's replies. He's been recently claiming that Regina and Emma's friendship is based on "mutual respect". He had like 343 exchanges with someone who claimed he favourited something, which he said was an accident. But the thing that really offended me was that apparently the SQ fandom is claiming to have invented the inside joke "they're sisters, not lesbians"? Excuse me, ladies, but the Sailor Moon fandom invented that decades ago! Please cite your sources.

 

Also, A&E and Jane are dealing weapons to oppressive regimes! Wild!

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Serena

Serena

Technically the Sailors invented "cousins" not "lesbians" hee.

But seriously they need to get a grip.

Yeah but "sisters" was clearly inspired by that, except not funny because the "cousins" thing at least made sense! "Sisters" is just a thing Lana made up in her head. I feel strongly about this because that "cousins" joke is ICONIC! And about a loving and supporting and actually gay relationship. (j/k, I don't feel that strongly, but seriously... SQ doesn't hold a candle to them...)

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Faemonic

Faemonic

I thought RENT invented the "Sisters?" "We're...'close'" joke. The Sailor Moon translation is one major reason that I'll never trust dubs, apart from how difficult it is to find good voice actors or directors.

Swen is shorthand for Swan Queen shippers. (Swan + Queen, see.)

Since this show started, this body of shippers (longhand "Swan Queen Nation" so Swen is shorter) have been insisting that Emma and Regina being lesbians with each other is explicitly canon endgame of the series. So, when A&E say "no it's not" that part of the fandom will reinterpret that as "maybe" and become very vocal in hopes that it will turn into a "yes".

Since the opinion of the actors on their characters is taken as immensely influential, it was a crushing blow to many Swan Queen shippers that Lana considers Emma and Regina to be "friends and sisters."

So, #SwanQueenBelongsToSwen seems to have become a way to say, finally, "You know what? We don't even need your stinking canon, or your bad influence as actors and creators of this inspirational ship. So, nyaaah."

And I'm like, "Bro, do you even Roland Barthes?" If so many hadn't kept insisting that it was canon and that nobody actually working on the show even knew it, and made it so important that it happens on the show despite nobody on the show actually knowing it, then the unimportant canon wouldn't have been so intensely unimportant to begin with.

I don't see Jessica/Patsy shippers complaining that the evil lawyer stole the romantic subplot, or that Rosario Dawson or the I-love-you texts was queerbaiting, or that Luke Cage and What's-His-Name Simpson were beards. (Yet. I just finished the series and haven't jumped into the fandom pool.)

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