Predator and Prey: Assault, harassment, and other aggressions in the entertainment industry

[Dimity]

14 minutes ago, Irlandesa said:

One can point out that Johnny won but feel that it was a deeply flawed court case.

Exactly.  That situation was yet another one where we have to have a perfect victim or there was no crime.  It's, frankly, getting exhausting.  Blake Lively has the damn receipts showing what this guy tried to do to her and it still doesn't matter in the court of public opinion because people will always take the man's side if they can find any damn thing in this world about the woman they can point to as being problematic.

[Cobalt Stargazer]

3 hours ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

 As far as Baldoni, plenty of people hire PR teams, especially when they’re going up against powerful people like Lively and Reynolds.

Maybe, but it's easier to go after the A lister. Lively is much more famous than Jenny Slate who was namechecked here at least once because someone asked her what it was like to work with Baldoni, since she played his character's sister in It Ends With Us. Instead of just answering the question, Slate sidestepped by saying he seems 'really intense', whatever that means. If she's also being named in this suit, I missed it, so someone with better Google-Fu can enlighten me. If she's not, then perhaps Baldoni is wanting good press for himself at Blake's expense because she's the easier target. Why bring up Taylor Swift at all, come to that? How is it relevant who Blake's friends are if they're not going to be involved here?

[FilmTVGeek80]

1 hour ago, Irlandesa said:

But as you said, he also lost in the UK that I believe admitted more evidence.  I think people are coming around on the US trial a bit.  They 'won' in the courtroom by cherry-picking a jurisdiction and doing to Amber there what they had done to her in the press outside of it.  There were jurors who believed he hit her (which should have made her win the libel case right there) but hated her more.  One can point out that Johnny won but feel that it was a deeply flawed court case.





 

No, I don’t believe there was more evidence presented in the UK case. In fact there was a lot of evidence that was presented that wasn’t vetted as closely as it was in the US. The UK case was decided by a judge who decided Amber was totally trustworthy partly because of her donation to a children’s charity which was a lie. What did they do to her in court? Present a strong case with evidence with her side being allowed to present their own evidence and counter anything presented. She wasn’t ganged up on. She had her own high-priced lawyers and a PR team working for her in the media. Amber was not as powerless as some like to pretend she was. And “people” are coming around? What people? The media have certainly done there damndest to try and paint her as a victim because admitting they might have been wrong about her is not something most journalists are willing to do. 

58 minutes ago, Dimity said:

Exactly.  That situation was yet another one where we have to have a perfect victim or there was no crime.  It's, frankly, getting exhausting.  Blake Lively has the damn receipts showing what this guy tried to do to her and it still doesn't matter in the court of public opinion because people will always take the man's side if they can find any damn thing in this world about the woman they can point to as being problematic.

What receipts does she have? What she says in her suit is not the end of the story anymore than what he says in his.  I already asked what lies & misinformation was allegedly spread about her. Please don’t pretend that Blake doesn’t have plenty of people on her side. “Believe all women.” Plenty of people take a woman’s side with no thought to evidence and if you actually suggest to wait and see all evidence you’re “taking the man’s side.” 

53 minutes ago, Cobalt Stargazer said:

Maybe, but it's easier to go after the A lister. Lively is much more famous than Jenny Slate who was namechecked here at least once because someone asked her what it was like to work with Baldoni, since she played his character's sister in It Ends With Us. Instead of just answering the question, Slate sidestepped by saying he seems 'really intense', whatever that means. If she's also being named in this suit, I missed it, so someone with better Google-Fu can enlighten me. If she's not, then perhaps Baldoni is wanting good press for himself at Blake's expense because she's the easier target. Why bring up Taylor Swift at all, come to that? How is it relevant who Blake's friends are if they're not going to be involved here?

I’m not sure how it’s easier to go after the A-lister, especially people like Lively who basically have studios like Marvel and Sony on her side and billionaire friends like Taylor Swift. Jenny Slate is not a defendant in any of the cases. I think Taylor was mentioned because she’s another example of someone giving their two cents among the pressure to give Blake everything she wanted, including having her husband making rewrites.

[ABay]

Wait, can we back up? Why is Ryan Reynolds an asshole? 

[Vermicious Knid]

I am inclined to believe him, because he has receipts.  

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In the alleged exchange, the 37-year-old actress said: "I'm just pumping in our trailer if you want to work out our lines," to which Baldoni replied: "Eating with crew and will head that way."

The text chain allegedly took place on 3 June 2023, which the lawsuit claims is 'after the alleged harassment and “uncomfortable” situations allegedly occurred'.

It then ends with Lively allegedly writing: "Take your time."

These messages in particular were included to counter Lively's sexual harassment claims, as she willingly asked him to come into her personal space at least once after claiming privacy invasions...

"When Blake Lively says she was sexually harassed, because Justin Baldoni went into her trailer whilst she was breastfeeding, what she failed to talk about is the invitation she sent in a text message.

 

And this piece from Deadline showing her real concern:

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...one significant aspect of Lively’s initial CRD complaint and her NYE lawsuit has slid somewhat out of the spotlight. While not centering on the supposed weaponization and unleashing of a “digital army” against Lively, the matter may give away the heart of the clash and why the Green Lantern-starring couple waited months to take their dispute with Baldoni public.

In both the December 20 CRD filing and the federal lawsuit 11 days later, Lively’s lawyers note how the fallout from the online caustic criticism of her personally was “harming her businesses.” Like her multi-platforming husband, Lively has long had a number of lucrative revenue streams from brand products and endorsement deals.

The ramifications of Livley’s 2024 haircare line flopping, in relative terms, as the onslaught of negative social media posts about her abounded, must certainly play a role, contractually or otherwise.

 

The online backlash came about organically from her trying to pretend a movie about domestic violence was a fluffy romcom, along with flogging her and Ryan Reynolds businesses during what should have been promos for the movie.  Wear your florals, wtf.

[MadyGirl1987]

19 hours ago, ABay said:

Wait, can we back up? Why is Ryan Reynolds an asshole? 

I can't speak for anyone else, but I find his persona grating and fake. I feel like he's becoming one of those actors who always play themselves in movies(like the Rock) and I feel that the self he portrays comes across as an act. The only movie I have yet to like that he's starred in is Deadpool and Wolverine and that's only because said movie plays him against Hugh Jackman and balances out his juvenile shtick.

As for Baldoni versus the Lively-Reynoldses, I don't like any of them. I've never been a Ryan Reynolds fan, and could take or leave Lively until her tone-deafness around the "It Ends With Us" press tour left a bad taste in my mouth. Baldoni I'm just now learning about and he sounds horrible. To me, it's a case of jerks fighting amongst themselves and exposing bad behavior on both sides. Just because he's a jerk doesn't mean they aren't guilty of bad behavior as well...