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Today had an episode I don't remember seeing before. Angela brought a house as a rental investment. Instead of renting to the retired man who wanted to pay six months rent in advance and provided references, Tony rented to a pretty girl whose check bounced.

I don't think Angela was livid enough. I wanted to smack Tony. This is business. Was Angela suppose to let her live there rent free while she pays the mortgage?

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I get that the whole point is the lines were blurred, because he's an employee who also became part of the family, but Angela was asked to shrug off quite a few things that wouldn't have been appropriate for an actual husband to do, let alone Tony.  It matters that it's her house, her business, and her money, and she certainly wasn't going around acting like some imperious lady of the manor treating Tony and Samantha as beneath her and Jonathan, so it pissed me off when she got labeled as uptight (and more gendered terms) when she wanted to be professional about something that requires professionalism.

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21 hours ago, Bastet said:

I get that the whole point is the lines were blurred, because he's an employee who also became part of the family, but Angela was asked to shrug off quite a few things that wouldn't have been appropriate for an actual husband to do, let alone Tony.  It matters that it's her house, her business, and her money, and she certainly wasn't going around acting like some imperious lady of the manor treating Tony and Samantha as beneath her and Jonathan, so it pissed me off when she got labeled as uptight (and more gendered terms) when she wanted to be professional about something that requires professionalism.

I LOATHE this episode so much. Though Mona being the "parent" scolding Angela and Tony as the "children" was amusing. Especially her slipping in telling them to give each other a full kiss on the mouth!

And that leads to my next problem with this episode. The viewers are aware, from the premiere, that Angela and Tony pretty much told each other that they loved each other without actually saying it, because (plot!) reasons. Yet, we get Tony acting like he has no feelings for Angela; no thought to how his sniffing after this deadbeat wannabe theatre star will make her feel. Never mind the fact that he had NO RIGHT to reduce the rent, or give her the lease after she had agreed to rent it out to that retired guy who was willing to pay six months rent in advance.

I don't care that Angela doesn't think of Tony as her employee any longer; or that she considers him her best friend. She was the landlord and Tony should have done what Angela wanted. And then Tony gets all pissy when she told him that he should check with her if he wants to make any changes.

And then the deadbeat's check BOUNCED. UGH.

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Why do older sitcoms keep updating their theme songs? The later seasons sound so weird and not pleasant to the ear.

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1 hour ago, Snow Apple said:

Why do older sitcoms keep updating their theme songs? The later seasons sound so weird and not pleasant to the ear.

I HATE it. And they changed it not at the beginning of the season, but with episode 17! Blech.

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2 hours ago, Snow Apple said:

Why do older sitcoms keep updating their theme songs?

Right?  Like that's why the show has gone stale.  It's not the fact the cute little kid can't act now that he's grown, the writers have chosen two or three traits for each character and exaggerated the hell out of them while ignoring the rest so they're now more like caricatures, the plots are increasingly unrealistic because most typical situations have already been covered, and you've drawn out "will they or won't they?" so long the primary relationship no longer makes sense.  Nope, it's the theme song - update that, and those ratings will bounce right back up.

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21 hours ago, Snow Apple said:

Why do older sitcoms keep updating their theme songs? The later seasons sound so weird and not pleasant to the ear.

Yes!! Some of these shows had truly great theme songs that they randomly decided to butcher later on in the series run.

Growing Pains is my top offender in this, but Silver Spoons and Who’s the Boss are way up there too. 

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And now we're coming toward the end, where Tony and Angela..."break up" because he went and had sex with a classmate. 

Which leads us to Season 7, with the addition of Billy, so unnecessary, but it's the Cousin Oliver plot. Blech.

I see a lot of fast forwarding coming ahead.

And I remember appreciating in the season premiere of the final season, "Tony" throwing in that line about having the "worst haircut" in history--that godawful buzz, which he had done, because he'd played some mob/cop killer that aired during the summer hiatus.

 

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On man. I forgot about Billy. I don't remember anything about him except the scene where he can't sleep until they got a tape of city traffic noises. I only remembered that because I went through the same experience after moving to a quiet suburb.

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1 minute ago, Snow Apple said:

On man. I forgot about Billy. I don't remember anything about him except the scene where he can't sleep until they got a tape of city traffic noises. I only remembered that because I went through the same experience after moving to a quiet suburb.

Yeah season seven starts tomorrow.

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5 minutes ago, Snow Apple said:

On man. I forgot about Billy.

Me too.  Actually, I probably repressed the memory of him, because that was painfully desperate plotting (as any show's decision to add a Cousin Oliver always is).

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Luckily, they got Brie of him by mid season-that his grandma recovered and was able to take him back and take care of him. Or something.

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On 1/19/2021 at 10:07 PM, Bastet said:

Me too.  Actually, I probably repressed the memory of him, because that was painfully desperate plotting (as any show's decision to add a Cousin Oliver always is).

I always wonder what the show runners think is going to be enhanced by the addition of a new baby/kid. When has it ever worked? 

Seasons 7 & 8 are really bad. The relationship between Tony and Angela is so stilted when they actually get together. Their chemistry in the earlier seasons was very natural and they seem like the types who admired the qualities in the other that they themselves didn't have, but it doesn't naturally translate into a romantic relationship.

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Ugh. So they aired episode 9 from Season 6--the one about Angela joining a health spa, and the INSULTING retcon that Tony was a nerdy ass loser when he was in high school as the "last" season 6 episode before starting with season 7.

And I think this is where I like Tony the least. He had that one night stand with Kathleen, played by an actress I really don't like, and when Angela asked him if it was just a one-time thing, he hesitates, so they, like I mentioned up thread "break up" to see if where it leads. 

But in the season premiere, he's all jealous, insecure, and doesn't want Angela dating Peter, or the never shown Christopher, and skulks around trying to get a look at him. Seriously, if he's that jealous, then dump Kathleen and commit to Angela. But then that would end the show, so let's just draaaaaaag it out for another two seasons. I hate that the show then made it that Christopher was a crook and con man, just to sooth Tony's ego.

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5 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

And I think this is where I like Tony the least. He had that one night stand with Kathleen, played by an actress I really don't like,

Kate Vernon, and I don't like her, either; this is ridiculous, but something about her face annoys me.  Anyway, add in being part of this lame storyline, and I disliked her so much that I was thoroughly annoyed when she turned up on Battlestar Galactica.  Nearly 30 years later (by the time I watched), and I was seriously sitting here thinking, "Ugh, Kathleen."

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39 minutes ago, Bastet said:

Kate Vernon, and I don't like her, either; this is ridiculous, but something about her face annoys me.  Anyway, add in being part of this lame storyline, and I disliked her so much that I was thoroughly annoyed when she turned up on Battlestar Galactica.  Nearly 30 years later (by the time I watched), and I was seriously sitting here thinking, "Ugh, Kathleen."

She was also the bitch in Pretty in Pink who looked down on Molly Ringwald's Andie.

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I don't remember Kathleen and she was in multiple episodes. 

At least I remember Billy after his name was mentioned, but Kathleen? Nothing. I guess I disliked her enough to block her.

Angela's hair was nice in season seven. No more 80's big hair.

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On 1/21/2021 at 3:35 PM, Bastet said:

Kate Vernon, and I don't like her, either; this is ridiculous, but something about her face annoys me.  Anyway, add in being part of this lame storyline, and I disliked her so much that I was thoroughly annoyed when she turned up on Battlestar Galactica.  Nearly 30 years later (by the time I watched), and I was seriously sitting here thinking, "Ugh, Kathleen."

Same here. There's something very hard about her looks, even though she is certainly attractive. 

She also played a manipulative bitch in a Murder She Wrote and the character entirely suited her face. 

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 I thought it was funny that Tony and Angela's dates in the season premiere were guest stars on star Trek Voyager.  Kate Vernon played an alien that Chakotay fell for and the guy played Janeway's drippy fiance.  

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On 1/22/2021 at 4:46 PM, ljenkins782 said:

Same here. There's something very hard about her looks, even though she is certainly attractive. 

She also played a manipulative bitch in a Murder She Wrote and the character entirely suited her face. 

The problem is she's made for playing the witch...she's done it quite well.  

However, I don't recall if the show made her character nice, or a threat to Tony and Angela.

Lastly, I think Tony and Angela acted more like a couple before they became an actual couple.  And once that happened, they acted more like strangers.

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11 hours ago, JAYJAY1979 said:

However, I don't recall if the show made her character nice, or a threat to Tony and Angela.

She was a prissy, know it-all classmate, who was supposed to come off as nice, and compared to other "rivals", I suppose she was. But she was also a spanner between Tony and Angela, because is was his having sex with her that "broke" him and Angela up to "explore" and see other people to see if what they had was...worth waiting for, I guess?

11 hours ago, JAYJAY1979 said:

Lastly, I think Tony and Angela acted more like a couple before they became an actual couple.  And once that happened, they acted more like strangers.

Absolutely. Especially in Season 5. Season 7 was when they tip toed around each other--as if one couldn't go out on a date unless the other was also dating. It was just awful.

Well thank goodness, Kate is gone. But now we have to deal with Billy, and Andy (Doctor that Angela is dating-what happened to Peter? He seemed to disappear after the Christopher episode), and Andy's impatience. BLECH.

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I also disliked the last few seasons. I do think, though, that they managed to stick the landing with the finale. The breakup scene, and then the scene at the end where she tells him that she worries that he’ll resent her for giving up his dream job. And he tells her, “The only thing I resent is being without you.”

The original plan was that they’d marry in the final season, and the final episodes would focus on their married life together. But Columbia Picture TV, the producer, was worried that a wedding would hurt the syndication value of the show. So Tony got cold feet midseason. The British adaptation, “The Upper Hand,” not only married the leads off, but also had a final season where they had a child together. I’m glad WTB ended where it did.

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1 minute ago, Kyle said:

I do think, though, that they managed to stick the landing with the finale.

I agree; bringing it full circle with her opening the door in the same robe and hair towel and him saying he's here for the job was inspired.

So many TV women - reflecting their real-life counterparts - had blown - and continued to blow long after this show left the air - their careers to bits in order to accommodate a man's, and here we finally saw a woman trying that, it making no logistical sense from jump and indeed imploding, going back to the life she deserves, and ultimately the man being one to turn up, saying, at long logical last, I will figure out how my career can work here; yours needs to be here, and I need to be with you.

That "It's important for me to be in the area" and "You got the job" stuff is memorable all these years later (even though I might not be 100% accurately quoting it after many years since my last watch); the show went on too long, and the trajectory of Angela and Tony's relationship was certainly delayed beyond reason, but they created a final scene that can easily finish off a "best of" compilation of the final few years and result in a satisfying viewing experience.  (Which I have indeed compiled on VHS and really need to some day to transfer to DVD.)

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8 hours ago, Bastet said:

So many TV women - reflecting their real-life counterparts - had blown - and continued to blow long after this show left the air - their careers to bits in order to accommodate a man's, and here we finally saw a woman trying that, it making no logistical sense from jump and indeed imploding, going back to the life she deserves, and ultimately the man being one to turn up, saying, at long logical last, I will figure out how my career can work here; yours needs to be here, and I need to be with you.

My fellow posters and I were just having this discussion on the SATC board.  Career women are almost always expected to compromise for a man. It's annoying and downright insulting.  

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the last scene of the series coming full circle was a wonderful way to end the show.  Recreating that first meeting only this time both were on the same page was wonderful.

Compromise is a given, but sometimes each person in the relationship has to be the one to compromise.  She tried to compromise, but Angela and Iowa (or Idaho as she called it lol) were not a match.  Tony had a job that could work in different states/cities...while Angela's job worked closer to a major city.  So in this case, Tony had to compromise.

Plus, it's open ended where they will end up.  Will they get married? Or will they opt to just be a long term partnership..one that has worked for them for so many years.  Up to the viewer and that's why I liked this final scene because the viewer got to decide for themselves 

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“The Unsinkable Tony Micelli” is SO STOOPID. Suddenly Tony doesn’t know how to swim and is afraid of the water? When he swam and surfed in season two when they were in California, season three,  and then last season in Jamaica?🙄🙄🙄🙄😒😒😒😒😒😒😒😒

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On 2/1/2021 at 6:55 PM, GHScorpiosRule said:

“The Unsinkable Tony Micelli” is SO STOOPID. Suddenly Tony doesn’t know how to swim and is afraid of the water? When he swam and surfed in season two when they were in California, season three,  and then last season in Jamaica?🙄🙄🙄🙄😒😒😒😒😒😒😒😒

Totally stupid and retconned to suddenly have him unable to swim. He has a sick body though, so the swimsuit scenes weren't a total waste.

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59 minutes ago, ljenkins782 said:

Totally stupid and retconned to suddenly have him unable to swim. He has a sick body though, so the swimsuit scenes weren't a total waste.

Eh? Sick body???😄

And as for the discussion about the series finale, I'm of the mind that Tony and Angela did get married. Hell, they've been thinking about it since Season Three when they stood for Marcy's dad's wedding to Angela's friend, the doctor, Isabel, played by Fran Fitzgerald, who will always be Marilee Stone from Dallas for me. It was so odd seeing her as a nice person! They've mooned and talked about marrying each other; even got engaged in the final season, then again in the 7th Season's "Tony and Angela Get Divorced" where they had to get an annulment in South Carolina, Tony told the judge that "When I marry..." then caught himself, before going on to say that he wanted it to be his choice, blah, blah, blah. But he clearly was going to say Angela.

But I will always hate the show for ruining Tony and Mona's friendship. They were best buds for the first three seasons, and then for whatever reason, they stopped being each other's confidants and it devolved into an antagonistic relationship. 

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I forgot how much Billy content there was after he showed up. Even Cousin Oliver didn't have as much screen time or shoved in our faces as much. Can't wait until his episodes are over.

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15 minutes ago, Snow Apple said:

I forgot how much Billy content there was after he showed up. Even Cousin Oliver didn't have as much screen time or shoved in our faces as much. Can't wait until his episodes are over.

Which will be until the end of the season!😤

Another reason I hated this insertion of Billy was, suddenly Tony didn't know how to be a parent. Or Angela. It was insulting and offensive.

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 I must have quit watching before this season because I have no recollection of this annoying brat. 

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Yahoo! Season Eight started tonight! While it’s clear the show isn’t as good as it was in the early seasons, and there are some clunkers in the final season, we’re headed for the home stretch until season one rolls around again for the airings during the week. Sundays are airing season two.

I’m bummed that Antenna edited out those scenes of Tony and Sam tap dancing from last season though. They show it in the credits, and I kept an eye out for it, but it never happened and I can’t remember which episode it was from.

But I really like how everyone was so supportive and rooting for Tony and Angela as a couple. No unnecessary or forced angst or drama shoehorned in as A Very Special Episode. Only Angela’s self esteem issues when she refused his proposal because she’d failed at marriage once and didn’t want to fail again. Though of course that begs the question why she said yes when he proposed at the ski lodge with Mona’s ring. And returned it because he’d proposed following his friend’s funeral and Mona’s urging. But, plot! and all that, I guess.

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A few more days and it’s back to season one. I like early Tony much better. Less frantic and controlling.

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