S01.E06: New Allegiances

[heebiejeebie]

Actually had our ancestors gotten what they wanted we would all be singing God Save the Queen.  But they didn't.  and instead they fought for the very choice among others that Marissa Hermer exercised.  That State Group Think at the cost of the individual is dangerous and bodes ill not just for the personal pursuit of happiness but the welfare of a state aimed at rights for all, not the few.  For the individual to have liberties that go with the responsibility of citizenship.  That borders do not define the nobility of liberty or the honor of maintaining it.  Marissa Hermer did exactly what the likes of Jefferson, Monroe and Madison all espoused.  Not just exercising her own state of personal happiness but doing so by being taking responsibility for her identity to a nation and a peoples.  The founding fathers wanted rights for all men and their ideas of liberty did not stop at the Atlantic even if their purview as statesmen did.  I do not know where that idea came from but it did not come from the likes of Adams and Jefferson or even later on in the days of Jackson who again fought against the British. 

 

Marissa exercised freedom.  Liberty.  Not only is that the American way it was never not other countries ways either just because we have the mistaken sense we invented it and are the holders of its honor like some vestal virgin and her holy vagina.

[Chicklet]

Well the Revolutionary war was quite a long time ago. People do tend to get over things like that. I certainly don't hold anything against England and I go there whenever I can. 

 

And....erm what heebiejeebie said better.

Edited July 10, 2014 by Chicklet

[jimene79]

Right now, Caprice is so my most disliked person on TV. Everything she says is so transparently manipulative that she's no fun to watch. Last episode she said she got involved in the Annabelle/Juliet fight because she's just such a gosh darn good friend and of such high moral character and then this episode she can't just let the people she's traveling with know she left early? That was the problem I think - not that she left early and it has nothing to do with pregnancy. I can't believe they let her get away with such rude and foul behavior. I find her so repulsive. Hope she gets her comeuppance soon because I think these ladies are giving her way too much of a pass.

[RealityGal]

Here is what I do not understand.  Our ancestors made a conscious decision to pretty much say "F YOU England!!"  We don't like you. How much blood was shed to force them to get that? Revolutionary War anyone??  You think becoming a citizen of Britain is something to be applauded? *crickets*

 

 

Actually had our ancestors gotten what they wanted we would all be singing God Save the Queen.  But they didn't.  and instead they fought for the very choice among others that Marissa Hermer exercised.  That State Group Think at the cost of the individual is dangerous and bodes ill not just for the personal pursuit of happiness but the welfare of a state aimed at rights for all, not the few.  For the individual to have liberties that go with the responsibility of citizenship.  That borders do not define the nobility of liberty or the honor of maintaining it.  Marissa Hermer did exactly what the likes of Jefferson, Monroe and Madison all espoused.  Not just exercising her own state of personal happiness but doing so by being taking responsibility for her identity to a nation and a peoples.  The founding fathers wanted rights for all men and their ideas of liberty did not stop at the Atlantic even if their purview as statesmen did.  I do not know where that idea came from but it did not come from the likes of Adams and Jefferson or even later on in the days of Jackson who again fought against the British. 

 

Marissa exercised freedom.  Liberty.  Not only is that the American way it was never not other countries ways either just because we have the mistaken sense we invented it and are the holders of its honor like some vestal virgin and her holy vagina.

 

You know what the very best thing is about America?  Its that you both can have a strong, but different opinion and the beautiful freedom to express it.  I remember reading about how much control the monarchy would have over what people could say, and I'm so glad there is a forum for different opinions.  And before I go all soapbox, and weepy civics teacher let me just say that no matter what our differences, I think we can all agree that Juliet doesn't know how to dress, Julie has really bad hair, and Noelle needs lessons in golddigging.

[FozzyBear]

You know what the very best thing is about America? Its that you both can have a strong, but different opinion and the beautiful freedom to express it. I remember reading about how much control the monarchy would have over what people could say, and I'm so glad there is a forum for different opinions. And before I go all soapbox, and weepy civics teacher let me just say that no matter what our differences, I think we can all agree that Juliet doesn't know how to dress, Julie has really bad hair, and Noelle needs lessons in golddigging.

Oh please can we start a kickstarter fund to get Noelle some gold-digging lessons. I feel she really wants this and is willing to put in the work, but lacks some of the fundamental technique. Like finding a guy with money who's not about to go to jail.

[Chicklet]

Question- If you need gold-digging lessons, is it really for you? She's so bad at it she might as well just go get a job. Speaking of which, does she even have one? What does she do all day? I obviously haven't been paying attention if it's been explained during the show.

[aradia22]

 

Question- If you need gold-digging lessons, is it really for you? She's so bad at it she might as well just go get a job. Speaking of which, does she even have one? What does she do all day? I obviously haven't been paying attention if it's been explained during the show.

In the first episode, she told the taxi driver she worked in fashion. Then she told us (the audience) about her modeling. But no, we've never seen her at a job.

[OnceSane]

 

That State Group Think at the cost of the individual is dangerous and bodes ill not just for the personal pursuit of happiness but the welfare of a state aimed at rights for all, not the few.

 

Well...not for everyone. ;)

 

On Topic:  Gold-digging isn't difficult (or so I hear), so if Noelle needs lessons, she's better off getting an actual job.  & if she does model/is in fashion, I'm guessing it's the same type Caprice used to do (or still does--not really clear on that).

[EtheltoTillie]

In the first episode, she told the taxi driver she worked in fashion. Then she told us (the audience) about her modeling. But no, we've never seen her at a job.

I don't think she would be allowed to work in England. 

 

This brings me to a question about Juliet.  How is she working as a stylist?  I think her husband is working for an American company in England, and she is allowed to accompany him there, but I'm pretty sure she wouldn't be allowed to work.  You know how she has been ultra-secretive about who her clients are?  Maybe this has something to do with her fudging her work status.

[aradia22]

Wait, GussieK, what do you mean? Why wouldn't Americans be allowed to work in England?

[Chicklet]

I think working in the UK for Americans depends on their VISA classification.

But I've never been a gold digger or a model, so who knows.

[JennyMominFL]

I don't think she would be allowed to work in England. 

 

This brings me to a question about Juliet.  How is she working as a stylist?  I think her husband is working for an American company in England, and she is allowed to accompany him there, but I'm pretty sure she wouldn't be allowed to work.  You know how she has been ultra-secretive about who her clients are?  Maybe this has something to do with her fudging her work status.

She can work. I friend of mine got her british citizenship today. She and her wife both work and  have for quite a while.She got her citizenship much quicker than the ladies on this show 

Edited July 12, 2014 by JennyMominFL

[EtheltoTillie]

Wait, GussieK, what do you mean? Why wouldn't Americans be allowed to work in England?

Same reason people can't come to the U.S. and work.  Protection of citizens.  So if you don't have a green card, you can't work in the U.S. unless you can obtain one of the temporary work visa categories, e.g., for highly qualified people in certain fields or the ones for people whose employers "prove" that no Americans are suitable for the job.  There are a lot of computer people brought in to  the U.S. from countries like India this way.  I share an office with an immigration attorney who helps companies do this.  Foreign medical graduates come to the U.S. to do residencies in U.S. hospitals.  They can't stay after they finish training, unless they qualify for other categories.  Spouses who come with these people can't work in the U.S.  According to the link below, it looks like the U.K. has pretty much the same system, and I can't imagine Juliet qualifies for any of these.

 

https://www.gov.uk/browse/visas-immigration/work-visas

 

She can work. I friend of mine got her british citizebship today.She and her wife both work and  have for quite a while.She got her citizenship much quicker than the ladies on this show 

Jenny, after reading the above, I suspect your friends might have qualified for one of the aforementioned visa groups, but I don't think Juliet would qualify.  Judging from her fashion sense, she is not only not highly qualified to dress celebrities, she is barely qualified to dress her toddlers.  And I don't think any British company would be bringing her in for any reason.  With her level of tact and diplomacy, she might cause an international incident.

Edited July 12, 2014 by GussieK

[aradia22]

I'm not sure if Noelle is still modeling (probably not) but if she were, there must be a way for her to work outside of America. How would Karlie Kloss and other American models do shows outside of the US? And I'm not sure if Juliet is actually a stylist as I don't recall them stating her official job title but I don't think celebrities have different stylists when they go to different countries for each leg of the press tour for a movie so there must be some way around this or some way that she qualifies. I don't see how anyone who leaves the US for anything longer than a vacation wouldn't have some kind of a plan for how they could continue to work.

[RealityGal]

https://www.gov.uk/browse/visas-immigration/work-visas

 

Jenny, after reading the above, I suspect your friends might have qualified for one of the aforementioned visa groups, but I don't think Juliet would qualify.  Judging from her fashion sense, she is not only not highly qualified to dress celebrities, she is barely qualified to dress her toddlers.  And I don't think any British company would be bringing her in for any reason.  With her level of tact and diplomacy, she might cause an international incident.

 

Maybe no one else in the UK can put together ugly ass outfits the way Juliet does.  I guess its a skill?

 

I'm not sure if Noelle is still modeling (probably not) but if she were, there must be a way for her to work outside of America. How would Karlie Kloss and other American models do shows outside of the US? And I'm not sure if Juliet is actually a stylist as I don't recall them stating her official job title but I don't think celebrities have different stylists when they go to different countries for each leg of the press tour for a movie so there must be some way around this or some way that she qualifies. I don't see how anyone who leaves the US for anything longer than a vacation wouldn't have some kind of a plan for how they could continue to work.

 

I wonder if there isn't some way this is different if a person is working for an American company, or a company that is headquartered in the US but has a branch overseas.  I mean if that was the case, the US would still assess an income tax against you, even if you weren't living in the united states, but were a resident of the US working overseas.  I don't think Juliet would work for a US company, but may still have an LLC or something of the sort based in the US.  But its just a thought....

[EtheltoTillie]

Maybe no one else in the UK can put together ugly ass outfits the way Juliet does.  I guess its a skill?

 

 

I wonder if there isn't some way this is different if a person is working for an American company, or a company that is headquartered in the US but has a branch overseas.  I mean if that was the case, the US would still assess an income tax against you, even if you weren't living in the united states, but were a resident of the US working overseas.  I don't think Juliet would work for a US company, but may still have an LLC or something of the sort based in the US.  But its just a thought....

Models or other entertainment types going to other countries obtain special visas.  People working for American companies (such as Juliet's husband) have a different exception.  Juliet may be doing something like you suggest by establishing a corporation. That would be a clever workaround. 

Noelle was a model?  Isn't she too short?

Edited July 12, 2014 by GussieK

[RealityGal]

Models or other entertainment types going to other countries obtain special visas.  People working for American companies (such as Juliet's husband) have a different exception.  Juliet may be doing something like you suggest by establishing a corporation. That would be a clever workaround. 

Noelle was a model?  Isn't she too short?

 

I have my questions about Noelle's "modelling career"  I feel like sometimes that can be code for "high priced escort"  And given Noelle's attempts to snare a rich man by any means necessary it sort of seems like something she might have thought about....has she ever explained how she and Scot met?  Maybe a "modelling date?"

[EtheltoTillie]

Now I'm really curious about Noelle.  Consider her bio, as posted on Bravo. 

 

"Born and raised in Seattle Washington, Noelle Reno quickly realized she would never live the life she fantasized about unless she created it for herself. At the age of 14 she started modeling internationally. At 20, Noelle moved to London to pursue her fashion and media career. Since then, Noelle has become a fashion entrepreneur, television correspondent, and socialite. She is also the co-founder of the cashmere fashion brand, Degrees of Freedom and has partnered with celebrated fashion designer, Zandra Rhodes to found the clothing line, Z by Zandra Rhodes. Noelle’s success has allowed her the freedom to pursue other passions such as writing, blogging and public speaking. She contributes regularly to a variety of publications and speaks publicly for the likes of the British Fashion Council. Noelle holds a Bachelors of Arts in Communications from the British American College of London (Regents Park). In 2009, she began dating Scot Young, a property entrepreneur whose recent high profile divorce has kept them both in the spotlight."

 

Let's deconstruct this:   One of her careers is "socialite."  Last I checked, that is not a paying job.  The link below indicates that she first attached herself to troubled American trust-funder Matthew Mellon in the U.S. and moved to the U.K. to be with him.  While with him she "founded" a clothing line.  When she broke up with him she left said clothing line.  Then she hooked up with Scot.  RealityGal, she met him at Cipriani, but apparently knew him from when she was dating the other guy.  Supposedly "founded" another clothing line with a famous designer.  She has been with Scot since 2009.  So she has hitched her wagon to a still-married man for five years.

 

That's her career:  Hanger on.

 

http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/fashion/noelle-renos-grand-designs-6773441.html

 

Well, at least it turns out she is tall enough to be a model.

 

The retired copy editor in me is driven crazy by the punctuation errors in that Bravo bio.

Edited July 12, 2014 by GussieK

[RealityGal]

Now I'm really curious about Noelle.  Consider her bio, as posted on Bravo. 

 

"Born and raised in Seattle Washington, Noelle Reno quickly realized she would never live the life she fantasized about unless she created it for herself. At the age of 14 she started modeling internationally. At 20, Noelle moved to London to pursue her fashion and media career. Since then, Noelle has become a fashion entrepreneur, television correspondent, and socialite. She is also the co-founder of the cashmere fashion brand, Degrees of Freedom and has partnered with celebrated fashion designer, Zandra Rhodes to found the clothing line, Z by Zandra Rhodes. Noelle’s success has allowed her the freedom to pursue other passions such as writing, blogging and public speaking. She contributes regularly to a variety of publications and speaks publicly for the likes of the British Fashion Council. Noelle holds a Bachelors of Arts in Communications from the British American College of London (Regents Park). In 2009, she began dating Scot Young, a property entrepreneur whose recent high profile divorce has kept them both in the spotlight."

 

Let's deconstruct this:   One of her careers is "socialite."  Last I checked, that is not a paying job.  The link below indicates that she first attached herself to troubled American trust-funder Matthew Mellon in the U.S. and moved to the U.K. to be with him.  While with him she "founded" a clothing line.  When she broke up with him she left said clothing line.  Then she hooked up with Scot.  RealityGal, she met him at Cipriani, but apparently knew him from when she was dating the other guy.  Supposedly "founded" another clothing line with a famous designer.  She has been with Scot since 2009.  So she has hitched her wagon to a still-married man for five years.

 

That's her career:  Hanger on.

 

http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/fashion/noelle-renos-grand-designs-6773441.html

 

Well, at least it turns out she is tall enough to be a model.

 

The retired copy editor in me is driven crazy by the punctuation errors in that Bravo bio.

 

Wow, look at you, a regular Erin Brokovitch!

 

First off - I totally agree on "socialite" not being an actual job, and the fact that she put that in her bio as an occupation of some sort makes the rest of her resume/bio highly suspect.  So much of it isn't solid, just some assertions.  like "I modelled internationally" wouldn't a real model list the names of the magazines she has been in, or the designers she has walked for?  I'm not sure Annabelle is a model, but you hear "McQueen" from her all the time!  And from what you say, it sounds like her rich boyfriend probably funded this clothing line venture because she was probably nagging him to marry her....or he wanted to launder money, because she seems like the sort that doesn't ask a lot of questions about where money comes from.  So basically, someone else had the talent, and she was able to hook a rich guy into giving her money to fund it...which I suppose is also a talent of sorts.

 

Oh, and because I've been so inspired by your investigative work, I decided to look up Degrees of Freedom - the cashmere line Noelle helped to "co-found"  Apparently their claim to fame is the invention of the cashmere tracksuit.  I've tried valiantly to find a picture of one of their designs so we can snark, but instead I just came up with this article, which made me smile, in that it explains so much, and I can absolutely see her saying all of this in her own voice.

 

http://www.fashionunited.co.uk/fashion-news/design/an-exclusive-interview-on-fashion-with-noelle-reno-2014040420657

 

I like how if you read between the lines, you can see that "international model" seems to mean "I spent my summer in Tokyo probably doing catalog pictures and not making any money" and how "fashion entrepreneur" is pretty much "my boyfriend gave me the money" and she has "fashion talent" because "my ex-boyfriend who gave me the money dated Tory Burch, and he said that I had a talent for fashion design so it must be true!"  

[Suck It Trebek]

"Noelle was a model? Isn't she too short?"

And too, erm, not cute?

[EtheltoTillie]

Darn. I wish we could find a photo of one of those track suits. I tried ebay without success. Maybe they never were much more than a vanity project.

[Suck It Trebek]

They went the way of Sonja's toaster oven.

[sasha206]

I can't find photos of her supposed modeling career.  Certainly with her Ladies of London fame someone would post her modeling pics?  I think these "modeling" careers of people on Bravo shows are highly exaggerated.   

 

And her older photos with Mellon she looks just simply okay.  

[wallofsound]

Agreed about Noelle looking looking like Traci Lords. Big time. That's all I see when I look at her.

[balshureen]

Just some odds and ends:

 

I think Julie may have recently gotten a Brazillian blow dry.  Totally anecdotal, but my super curly hair came out looking lank and greasy for months after I had the treament done.  At least I hope that is what is going on... otherwise her hair is just horrendous.

 

I looked up the earrings that Marissa's husband gave her on the Faberge website.  There were similar ones on the site for 33K US.  Too bad gold digger Noelle didn't meet up with him first.

 

In one scene where Caprice was in a car and looking at her companion (can't remember who was in the car with her), she totally looked like Marilyn Manson with her lack of eyebrows and scarily pale eye and long face.  I can never unsee that now when I look at her.

 

I guess what surprises me most about the marriages between the wealthy brit men and American gals is that the Americans Julie and Marissa, while very nice, just don't seem to be anything special.  I'm surprised that they landed such good catches.

 

Love this show, although my favorite show about brits is still Made in Chelsea for that quintessentially British experience.

[monef]

Same reason people can't come to the U.S. and work.  Protection of citizens.  So if you don't have a green card, you can't work in the U.S. unless you can obtain one of the temporary work visa categories, e.g., for highly qualified people in certain fields or the ones for people whose employers "prove" that no Americans are suitable for the job.  There are a lot of computer people brought in to  the U.S. from countries like India this way.  I share an office with an immigration attorney who helps companies do this.  Foreign medical graduates come to the U.S. to do residencies in U.S. hospitals.  They can't stay after they finish training, unless they qualify for other categories.  Spouses who come with these people can't work in the U.S.  According to the link below, it looks like the U.K. has pretty much the same system, and I can't imagine Juliet qualifies for any of these.

 

Dependants who come to teh UK with their spouses are allowed to work. That is actually one of the major differences between UK and US immigration with the idea being that people shouldn't be penalised financially for joining their spouse in a new country.

[FozzyBear]

Dependants who come to teh UK with their spouses are allowed to work. That is actually one of the major differences between UK and US immigration with the idea being that people shouldn't be penalised financially for joining their spouse in a new country.

Interesting. I have learned never to assume with immigration law. It varies so much from country to country. And honestly most people don't fully understand the rules in their own country.

[EtheltoTillie]

Dependants who come to teh UK with their spouses are allowed to work. That is actually one of the major differences between UK and US immigration with the idea being that people shouldn't be penalised financially for joining their spouse in a new country.

 

Interesting. I have learned never to assume with immigration law. It varies so much from country to country. And honestly most people don't fully understand the rules in their own country.

 

Interesting about the work visas.  But there was something I looked at on line that made it seem very different. 

Edited August 4, 2014 by GussieK