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Yes, a big problem. I didn't get the impression early-on that Gwen was all that experienced as a police officer. I think if they would have kept her a bit green instead of trying to make her seem experienced and knowledgeable whenever they felt like it, it would have helped with her role as (literal-ha) wide-eyed ingénue/audience identification character. Ianto seems like more of the audience identification character because he is scared and he does question and he is more of the outsider in this team. So, yeah, if he hadn't hooked me already, Ianto would've won me over in this episode.

I'm not entirely certain the Daniel/Kate possibilities are completely dead (even though I want them to be). She is still the only woman that is willing to/can deal with his "issues", but I knew Donnie wouldn't miss the opportunity to propose...in Paris! I like Donnie/Kate together so we'll see how long this lasts... (Yeah, that shower scene was kind of awkward. LOL It's like they used a bad take or something.)

Good to hear. Thanks! Hopefully, they'll make the official decision soon.

People tend to exaggerate, too, in discussions about Torchwood's "adult/mature" content. They didn't constantly curse or have a lot of sex or act juvenile all of the time. Jack and Ianto were hardly more in-your-face with the sexual content than other pairings (uh, Owen and Diane!...and not to mention Starz "home-of-Spartacus" Torchwood), but they're usually brought up as being excessive. What I didn't need to see was naked Rhys...or Johnny. LOL Yeah, I wouldn't think S3 was OK for kids...even disregarding that last bit. As a viewer of New Who I was quite interested in watching an "adult" spin-off when I heard it would be available; however, it did seem a bit odd that they only seemed worried about kids watching if The Doctor crossed over and even offered a pre-watershed version. Whatever, TPTB.

Speculating on whether season 2 has performed well enough for a renewal...any ratings info available?

Not sure which thread this should go in, but here's a recent article about Torchwood that might add to the discussion: Why There Is Something Inherently Wrong With Torchwood The article and the comments are interesting...

It doesn't look like he's a "Sir", but he gets a medal and the use of "MBE" with his name. The way the Queen gives out awards/honors, he could be knighted in no time! ETA: Now, Daniel Day-Lewis is a different story! Congrats, Sir Daniel!

I like the Vancouver views and locations...that's about it. Still prefer Hilary and David (and Desta)., but it's nice to get a change of scenery. Jillian doesn't seem to have to knock off as many items due to unseen issues, but I guess it's early days.

Grey: How long before you gave up? Months? Years? Decades? Jack: What do you want from me? Grey: I want you to suffer. I want your life.

Emily: The Torchwood Institute was created to combat the threat posed by the Doctor and other phantasmagoria. Jack: He's not a threat. The Doctor's the one who will save you from your phantasma-hoogits. Well...sometimes. ... Ah, Jack and his sideburns...

Gwen: I thought you wanted to know what happened to him. Nikki: I did. I was wrong. It was better when I didn't know. Before you, I had hope.

Tosh: So what are we saying? That two people from a piece of film have decided to go AWOL?

Ianto: Jack, I'm afraid the situation is uncontained.

Maggie: Okay, you're dead. That's clearly a bit shit and I'm sorry and everything, but if you are dead then why are you here? You can't be wanting to jump. You can't die twice. Owen: Sorry, are you an expert? Maggie: Sorry, are you an idiot?

Owen: I'm really gonna need that hand back. Jack: Owen?! Ianto: Two minutes, twenty. Jack: But I'm not using the glove! Owen: But I'm still here. Ianto: Oh, here we go again.

Jack: Come on Martha, be honest. You just came all this way to see me. Martha: Still struggling to conquer your shyness, huh, Jack?

Adam: What's wrong? Ianto: My diary. You're not in it. Everyone else is. Why would I leave you out when you've been here so long? Like I'm remembering a man who doesn't exist...

Rhys: Aliens?? In Cardiff?!

Toshiko Sato: He trusted me. Right to the end. Owen Harper: Because you were strong. All of this is still here, because of you. Toshiko Sato: Because of Tommy. Let's hope we're worth it.

Ianto Jones: It's all over. Owen Harper: Let's all have sex. Ianto Jones: And I thought the End of the World couldn't get any worse.

Gwen: We have to go. Hart: No no no! What about a last-minute rescue? What's the point of being on a team if you don't get a last-minute rescue?! ...yes, it seems that only applies when Gwen is involved. When it's someone else, "there's nothing we can do"...

oh, yes. Major cheese going on there. And, for me, it accomplished the exact opposite of what it was supposed to. Although I do get the feeling at times that this show wants me to roll my eyes a lot... I want to say yes, but...?

And to think, they thought it was a good idea to air this with Everything Changes as the series premiere. Yikes.

Bilis Manger: From out of the darkness, he is come.

Tosh: If I stay stuck here, what will happen to me? Jack: I'll take care of you.