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S10.E11: Kiss and Tell All
LibertarianSlut replied to jewel21's topic in The Real Housewives Of Beverly Hills
Teddi speaking to Camille is possibly the most I’ve ever liked Teddi. Did anyone else mix up Denise and Teddi in Teddi’s ‘rona talking head? When Camille says that “at some point we have to put the past in the past,” that would be true...if she was a cast member of this show. I am so beyond tired of bringing out Wilson Philips to sing “Hold On.” Bridesmaids got there about a decade earlier. It was weird when Carnie Wilson was on a few seasons ago and everyone sort of bowed down to her as the Sober Whisperer. I was pretty young in the early 90s, but wasn’t Wilson Phillips like a one-hit wonder? Why does everyone on this show want to kiss Carnie Wilson’s ass so much? I never understood why Adrienne would keep her surrogacy a secret, so I was never really sure why she’d be mad at Brandi for revealing that in the first place. I have no idea how anyone so tiny could just show up with twins one day and everyone not guess that she didn’t give birth. I do understand that Brandi keeps running into Adrienne though, as I’m quite sure they frequent the same plastic surgeon. Where have I been? Kim and Brandi greeted each other as if they hadn’t seen each other in ages. I thought they were like soulmates last time we saw them. Erika’s shoe dazzle event is the reason I watch the show. Lisa looks so much younger and better without her iconic hair. I’m not sure I’ll ever stop saying it. Erika looked better than I’ve seen in awhile. I wasn’t digging Denise’s jeans at all. Why didn’t she just wear sweatpants? I guess Denise forgot that Erika apologized to her about talking about the threesomes in front of kids. I guess that is why Erika ignored Denise when Denise said, “just because I’m an open person doesn’t mean I don’t have boundaries with my children.” At this point, Erika wanted to talk about Aaron and Denise said “we’ll talk about that in a moment,” but then she walked off. I guess she doesn’t want to talk about the husband. I can’t prove it, but I feel like Dorit was just listing a bunch of designer names when she was “speaking Italian.” -
This reunion really didn’t need to happen. I feel like nothing happened in season eight and there was nothing to hash out. A lot of inside baseball about stuff that happened off camera that I don’t care about. GG cropped Nema out of a bunch of cast pictures and posted them on social media like six months ago? Riveting. I don’t believe Mike that he doesn’t want to have a big wedding with Paulina. If they make it down the aisle, it will be huge. GG looks so bad, like aggressively bad, between the polka dots and the metallic makeup on her inner eyes. I don’t believe that she waited four or five days to smoke pot since having the baby, and I will never believe she stopped taking cannabis during her pregnancy. Destiney and MJ looked significantly better at the reunion than the season. Neither will ever be mistaken for a beauty. MJ became distinctly unsober at about the halfway point. Mike looks like he’s about 100 years old. They wouldn’t get off the plane and the police had to come? That sounds aggressive. I’ve been kicked off a plane, and it would never even occur to me to argue with the staff. When you book a plane ticket, you agree to comply with the airline’s instructions. If they wanted to sue after the fact, or trash the airline to the press, cool, but I can’t imagine forcing the airline to call the police. Other people have places to be too. I hate Adam. I can’t prove it, but I think he was the catalyst for all the negative drama that went on this season up to the point that Tommy trashed Reza’s plants, and then that shit was on Tommy. This could have very easily been a one-part reunion. All of this shit has already been hashed out on the show and rehashed on WWHL. Bravo is just afraid to have a one-part reunion anymore, because all the shows have multiple part reunions, so a one-part reunion would look like an admission that the show is lacking content. Plus, they need to fill two Sundays until they can air an incredibly stale Real Housewives of Potomac. I see you, Bravo. Damn, the one thing on which I would have wanted to get the tea—the contract dispute—got completely glossed over. No Tommy this week or next? That’s also disappointing. He’s so unstable, but I was looking forward to him disclosing details of Reza’s bankruptcy and trying to justify his criminal behavior. I don’t think MJ wanted him there. Too much of a liability. Man, I remember this show used to have exceptionally good reunions back in the day. This was a snooze. We can belabor Nema’s oddly white teeth for 20 minutes, but shed no new light on anything interesting? Not fabulous.
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But isn’t Jake in that private school, which would negate the need to focus on the school district? It could mean they just want to keep him with his friends or in his neighborhood, but I think their whole aim is to take Jake out of his environment, so none of it makes any sense to me, and if they show doesn’t care enough to put in one line of throwaway dialogue, I consider it just a plot contrivance. I am officially hate-watching now. This show is so bad. I have no idea what message they’re trying to get across. Showtime, overall as a network, is just totally slipping. Their only decent show, City On A Hill, doesn’t appear to be coming back anytime soon. Douda’s sex scene with Kandi (I think it’s so funny that everyone on this board calls her Kandi, when her name per IMDB is apparently Roselyn. All I see is Kandi Burruss on my screen though) was terrible. We have Douda going down on Kandi who is sitting on a counter while she is strategizing for his campaign and in one simple move he has her turned over and her is taking her from behind. Totally unrealistic, especially on a hard, uneven surface. When people have sex in real life, there is usually some talk of changing positions, some awkward shifting, and, not to get too graphic, but the man usually has to put a hand on his penis to steady it to get it into the woman’s vagina. None of that happened here. Is everyone on this set a virgin, or do they just think completely unrealistic sex is somehow sexy? Where did Jada’s date come from, and why would the show think we’re invested enough to care whether his family accepts her? We don’t know him. We don’t know why he didn’t tell her he had a wife. Why is it such a big deal that he’s a widower? It’s ok that Jada has a kid from an ex-boyfriend or an ex-husband, but this date is supposed to be some kind of virgin or Jada takes it personally? That’s not even Jada’s MO. That was the reaction of some other woman who temporarily borrowed Jada’s body. Every single one of Ronnie’s scenes depresses the hell out of me and I think they are pointless. He’s going to save Keisha next week, great. Did we need to see him bumming around and homeless for five episodes in order for this to be redemption? How did Ronnie’s grandmother get out of the nursing home and find her way back to her former home? Because there was a blackout and the nursing home was understaffed? Apparently they had enough staff for a woman to approach Ronnie and explain all of this to him in detail instead of, I dunno, caring for the residents? I don’t think Emmett’s new business partner is a good actress. I think their scenes together have no charisma. How did this woman go from refusing to serve the food blogger to allowing Emmett to just grab random food (how would he know what she ordered?) and hand it to the blogger and suddenly everyone has the feels and they’re lovey dovey and happy as clams? How exactly did Jake’s brother manage to get a social worker to assess his home in the first place? That shit doesn’t just happen. If he wanted custody of Jake, he would have to petition the court, and there would be hearings and Douda would be right in the middle of it. Jake’s brother’s dialogue and reasoning was so off. Imani asks him how they are going to deal with their criminal records and he says he’ll just explain that it was years ago. Oh, yeah, the powers that be will get that. They’ll understand. Then Imani makes a good point and an unselfish move by saying she is basically a liability and the brother won’t be able to get Jake while she’s around, so she’s going to take off, and Jake’s brother protests that Jake will need Imani, so that takes care of that and she’s staying. Say what? If the court won’t award Jake’s brother custody of Jake with Imani in the home, then Jake will never have access to Imani in the first place. This was just some nonsensical feel-good bullshit to show us just how deeply Jake’s brother loves Imani, but it had no internal logic. The blackout advanced the plot not at all. I felt like it was just a way to pass time. Why couldn’t Keisha just have escaped from her prison at night and have Ronnie walking by and hear her screams with no time-consuming, boring blackout? I can tell Lena loves these kids, and I can tell she wants us to love them, but they’re just too precious. Jake and Kev seem to have some redeeming qualities that I can appreciate, but I don’t think Papa’s vocabulary is written realistically, and I don’t find it amusing when he says, he wants to play more tennis and his lady responds that she can get him a tennis racket because her cousin just stole one. Are we, as an audience, all supposed to collectively sign and go “aw”? That’s not happening for me. The girl that Kevin likes is also unrealistic. I’m in my thirties and I’ve rubbed shoulders with some educated people and I may have met one or two people that well-spoken in my life, and they were politicians and judges. They need to dial her back several notches. Get us to like the kids because they’re inherently likable, like Kevin going to look for his sister. The precocious dialogue and the contrived situations in which they find themselves make them less endearing to me, not more, and I have felt that since season one. Did anything else happen? It was all so boring; I kept looking at the clock to see when it would be over. I just remember each and every scene being terrible and everything except for the Keisha stuff very extraneous to the plot. (Note: I don’t like what happened to Keisha and I don’t find it particularly interesting, but at least it moved us forward in the story, unlike pretty much anything else that happened this episode).
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I don’t think they’re going to have a reunion; they didn’t have one last season, and last season had more unresolved issues. They barely fought this season, all the storylines were wrapped up by the beginning of the finale, rendering the second half of the finale boring and pointless, unless one is acutely interested in a.) the idea of Jazmin’s husband (who is visible all over the internet) possibly being upstairs; b.) a Mariah Carey impersonator; or c.) Lia floating over a pool in a bubble. I mean, this season was so grasping and there was so much space left in the finale that we had to sit through a segment of Josh Altman looking really strange and bloated cross-promoting his real estate show. What could they possibly talk about at a reunion? Imani is getting an amicable divorce, Kendra is going back to work with Hobart’s approval, Britten’s kid is out of her bed, Lia is no longer saying that another woman is dressed like a fighter pilot, Jazmin is still focused on her abs, and Shanique may or may not try her hand at high end real estate (I was too bored to focus on what she and Robert pretended to decide). Any additional info can be gleaned from the Bravo website. I would find a reunion super redundant. Andy had Britten and Imani on WWHL last week, and he gave them ample opportunity to talk about COVID, and neither of them had anything novel or interesting to say. Britten recommends washing your hands and humping a pillow (seriously). It’s apparently Andy’s opinion that the two arguable stars of this show couldn’t even fill a 22 minute slot, because he spent probably 1/3 of the show forcing them to talk about Jazmin’s oh-so-mysterious husband (when the women really didn’t seem interested) and he had to have Heavenly drop in and join the conversation. I don’t hate this show at all. I think there is room for a positive show on Bravo that is light on drama. I just think it should be a half an hour and the women should present more as their real selves, and not as characters. When Britten and Imani were on WWHL, I thought they were great. Britten was acting like she had more of a tough chick edge, pretending she didn’t know who Dorit from RHBH was, and low-key putting down that show, and I actually liked that version of her a lot better than the mom and friend with the heart of gold that she plays on the show. Imani was more professional and normal and overall more likable too. I feel like this show is edited/produced in such a self-conscious way that these women have no shot of coming into their own. They’re very different from the Atlanta women, but they’re not allowed to break out of that mold. There were women from the Atlanta franchise on four or five of the ten episodes. Who needs them, especially Contessa, the least popular one of the bunch by far??? Who needs Heavenly making digs about penis size based on race? I would so much rather see the LA women in Palm Springs or in LA just doing their own thing. M2M Original Recipe actually had a really boring season last year and I think this franchise has a chance of surpassing it if the powers that be just left it the hell alone and let it breathe for a hot second. Maybe they’re afraid of M2M Houston repeat, which had no ties to the original franchise and got cancelled a few episodes in. I loved it; that was my favorite of all the three, so maybe I just don’t have my pulse on what an audience would like? That show was also doomed from the beginning, though, because it had an awful time slot. I think it was on Saturday night. If this show comes back, I really hope they cut the Heavenly and Contessa connections and just let the cast sink or swim. Everyone should be themselves, show their families, show their careers, and the show might want to figure out minor details in advance of airing, such as who is a main character and who is a friend of (Lia). Out of the four million people in LA, find six women who are doctors or married to doctors who are actually willing to film their lives. Leave Contessa and Heavenly home. Let them wreak havoc and chaos and the fat shaming of which they are both fond in Atlanta. These LA women are overall classier, nicer to each other and they drink a lot less. Bravo thinks that is a recipe for disaster. They’ll only be satiated when they can achieve the equivalent of Toya and Mariah fist fighting at a formal dinner party.
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S12.E14: Remember Your Blue Stone Manners
LibertarianSlut replied to OnceSane's topic in The Real Housewives Of New York City
Ramona says she was going to enter into a partnership with an old man who was going to fund her in exchange for 50% of her business, and when she told her dad, he cut her a check for $75k so that she could do it alone, but she had to pay her dad back with interest, and she said she was annoyed that he actually did make her pay him back with the interest. I’m not sure exactly how I feel about that, if true. I’m not sure if it completely fits the definition of “self-made.” I’m starting to feel dirty talking about Ramona as if she’s my best friend. My husband—who hates Ramona number one out of all the Housewives (hates her over Vicki and Nene, his next two least favorites)—got me the book as a joke, and I just read it because I will literally read anything in front of me, but I didn’t believe everything she said by a long shot. I’m sure there were outright lies, but even more than the lies, I’m sure there were gigantic exaggerations that took a kernel of truth and twisted it into something completely different. I tend to only believe the things Ramona says that include pertinent details, like names, dates, times, witnesses, etc She made a pretty good argument in the book that she didn’t want to do the show and she kept turning it down and they kept coming for her. She would cite telephone calls with a female producer whose name she named and things like that. It wouldn’t be worth it to lie about that stuff, because it’s too easy to disprove, and she could get sued. I’m sure her publisher knew that. She also says she made a lot of money on the wine and some other business—maybe Tru Faith or Tru Renewal or both—over the course of the show. She goes into detail about how much she was traveling and where and when and how much she was making. It’s exhausting detail—like actual dollar amounts—so I tend to believe at least she was making money from those other business endeavors of hers, even if I don’t believe that she almost died promoting them 🙄 This is all so true. “Damaged” is the perfect word for Ramona. She seems like she is not fully human and sort of looking around at other people and taking cues from them to see how she should act at all times, like she is some kind of fembot who is desperately trying to pass off as human. In addition to the mixing up of words and phrases, which I can’t tell whether it’s an act or a disorder, she also has a serious spatial awareness problem, where she will get her face way too close to someone else’s face when she is having a conversation and it just makes me cringe. Ramona reminds me a little of my grandmother. She was a young-ish grandma—younger than Ramona when this all started, so this isn’t a comment on age—but my grandma also had a hard childhood, her husband died young leaving her to raise two little girls, and if you got to know her at all, you could tell there was something damaged or stunted about her too. She couldn’t really carry on a conversation about anything of substance, unless it was to repeat talking points from am radio or something she heard from Dr Oz. Everything else was about her hair, her nails, bragging about her ability to snag a man, and spewing venom against any woman who wasn’t just like her. For my grandma, the worst thing a woman could be was “alone,” which is ironic (or maybe not so ironic), because that’s how she spent several years of her life. She was also cringingly phony in a way that even surpasses Ramona’s phoniness. I guess I root for Ramona a little, despite the unpleasantness she and my grandma shared, because I’ve always looked at her as the underdog. I think she is constantly mining her behavior, making sure she seems normal (because she’s not), and she still manages to stick out like a sore thumb when you look at all closely at the situation and that has to suck. I guess I also like that she has some gumption, like she seems like a survivor in a way that, say, Sonja isn’t. She also is strangely truthful sometimes for someone who is a confirmed liar. I used to like Luann for similar reasons—I thought Luann had a joie de vivre and a cheery outlook that she frankly had no right to have, which made me like her, until this season, where she seems fake, jaded and insecure. I didn’t root for Tinsley even when she was on, because I couldn’t abide by her arrested development, her constant state of victim hood, and her unwillingness to do anything about it, when she had more resources at her disposal than pretty much any person on planet earth. Right now, on this show full of drunks, one of whom has a pretty severe documented mental illness, I guess I just root for Ramona by default, since there are such slim pickings. I find that if I don’t have someone to root for, whether the reason is weak or strong, I lose interest, whether it’s in sports or Housewives, and I’m way too bored in life right now to give up this show, so...go Ramona, I guess? (I feel kind of like I need a shower now. Like, how has it come to this? This show desperately needs at least a partial recast). -
S12.E14: Remember Your Blue Stone Manners
LibertarianSlut replied to OnceSane's topic in The Real Housewives Of New York City
Actually, when Luann asked Leah to describe the bartender to her, Leah very drunkenly replied/shouted, in part, “He says he’s into casual living. Don’t know what that means, that means, ‘I have no money!!’” ETA: sorry to repeat info; I see another poster got there first. I think Leah is running just as much game as the rest of them—she’s just happens to be equally as terrible at it—but sometimes I think she gets a pass because she’s new and so much younger than the rest, so if I get any opportunity to point out how shallow and morally bankrupt she is, I’m on it like a vulture to a carcass. -
S12.E14: Remember Your Blue Stone Manners
LibertarianSlut replied to OnceSane's topic in The Real Housewives Of New York City
I agree with everything in this post. I just disagree with Ramona’s use of the term “one percenter” to convey everything you’ve listed, like islands and mega-yachts, because I think we suspect the same thing: it causes people to conjure a lifestyle that Ramona doesn’t have. I think someone either needs to do the math and figure out what to call someone who is loaded but not quite a billionaire (a point zero, zero, zero one percenter?) or we just need to go back to saying “rich.” I don’t know when we stopped using the term “rich.” It is one syllable and gets the point across. Then if you say you’re rich, everyone can expect you to have a huge house with servants like Daddy Warbucks from Annie, and if you don’t have that, then everyone can point out that you’re a poseur (Ramona). I just think “one percenter” is misleading, even by Americans standards. I read in a book by an economist that almost anyone who owns a home in the Silicon Vallley is a one percenter in America. That doesn’t mean they’re rich by any means. I don’t like to let people slip and slide on language, so that they can do double talk when they can’t back it up, which these women seem to love to do. I don’t think Ramona is rich. I think she’s perhaps wealthy, or perhaps only well off. I just think that if we stripped the term “one percenter” from the conversation, it would reveal people for how much money they actually have. It’s so easy to hide behind this one percent crap, which causes people to envision Warren Buffett, when a one percenter is just as easily a guy who mows his own lawn in Palo Alto. -
S12.E14: Remember Your Blue Stone Manners
LibertarianSlut replied to OnceSane's topic in The Real Housewives Of New York City
I have no problem believing Ramona is a one percenter. I think I’m a one percenter and my balance sheet is probably somewhere slightly higher than Sonja’s and slightly lower than Len’s. I used to apply the definition of “one percenter” to Americans, but then I heard clinical psychologist Jordan Peterson do a podcast wherein he asked why we should not use the entire world when we are gauging who is the one percent. He said it might be convenient to draw the line around Americans, but there’s no reason not to include the rest of the world, and that changed my thinking about the whole situation. Having said that, I don’t think Ramona is rolling in as much dough as she wants us to think she is. I’m not even sure if she’s particularly rich. But I would bet money that she’s in the top one percent of earners out of the 7.2 billion. -
S12.E14: Remember Your Blue Stone Manners
LibertarianSlut replied to OnceSane's topic in The Real Housewives Of New York City
It’s hard to remember everything, but the tone of the book was just very different from the kid glove treatment she gives Avery on the show, like she’s not afraid to throw her under the bus to make a point. She’ll write how she would roll her eyes at the way Avery filmed a scene, and how she’d tell her she’s wrong, or she’ll report that she had to lie to Avery to tell her she was right when she was wrong, she lies to Avery about her marriage, she’s no holds barred telling us things Avery said in anger, like screaming “fuck you” to Mario, things that seem like none of our business. She plays Avery against Mario and tells her to tell him things to make him feel bad. Ramona blames Avery for the fact that she came off boring in season two. Maybe it’s not so much of Ramona coming for Avery, but she reveals things that I would have thought she would protect her from if I hadn’t read the book. She says Avery was struggling at college and that her best friend dumped her. She publishes a six page letter Avery wrote to Mario about his bad behavior. I’m sure it was with Avery’s permission, but it felt very exploitative to me. I’d be mortified if my mom put any of this stuff in a book, let alone all of it. -
S12.E14: Remember Your Blue Stone Manners
LibertarianSlut replied to OnceSane's topic in The Real Housewives Of New York City
Ramona completely emasculates Mario through her entire book Life On The Ramonacoaster (which I only read because I got as a gag gift, and it’s still really hard to cop to the fact that I read it cover to cover 🥱). She says she did the show to promote his business, which was suffering, and she didn’t need the fame, money or notoriety, she only did it for him. She basically takes the rest of the book to tell us how insecure Mario was/is, how threatened he was by her success, and how unwilling he was to fix things because he was so unhappy due to his lack of success. She doesn’t talk about Mario’s penis in the book, but she does talk about how they met/their first dating go-round. They had plans to go out on a boat and when he didn’t call her on the appointed day, she called him, he said he was sick, and they hung up. Then he left her a message instructing her to call him a few days later, and he never apologized. This is a huge red flag for me, if true. It makes him sound like such a pompous ass, like who is too sick to pick up a phone? It’s also kind of interesting how many passive-aggressive jabs Ramona takes at Avery throughout the book. She seems like she loves her daughter by any measure, but she goes for her. Several times. It makes me see her differently, not better or worse, but Mario comes off like a total toolbox FWIW. -
S12.E14: Remember Your Blue Stone Manners
LibertarianSlut replied to OnceSane's topic in The Real Housewives Of New York City
This episode had a much better flow than other episodes this season once I was able to watch it again. Everyone (with the exception of Leah, color me shocked) realized that they were way too drunk and went way too far the first night and it was like they knew they were teetering at a precipice and somehow everyone made it out unscathed. Dorinda and Luann said some really ugly things and almost came to blows, Sonja and Luann looked like they could have gotten physical at a few points, and Ramona went out without the cameras with no money, cell phone or ID. I think they were all grateful the next day that they “got away with it” aka no one got physically harmed, and they were mutually giddy about that fact. I’ve been there where I’ve gotten drunk and acted stupidly, and I’ve been surprised when people were willing to laugh about it with me the next day, and it almost feels like you’re getting drunk all over again. But I put those days behind me. And I’m also not willing to rule out a ton of Adderall (legal speed) that gave them all such a sunny and snappy demeanor the next day. The second night, the one with the famous guy, was actually kind of pleasant in a drunk-out-of-your-gourd way. I thought about it, and if this is the way these women want to act, and they want to forgive each other the next day and chalk it up to drunken foolishness, who am I to judge it? (I don’t think this is always going to be the case judging by the way they’ve been acting in the past, Dorinda saying in her talking head that everything wasn’t quite as alright as she was making it seem, and the fact that they seem to be mad at each other again next week). But just based off of this episode, I’m ok with the way everything turned out. I think that is what I was alluding to when I said I was glad Tinsley was off the show so that they can now pick on people their own size. Tinsely is way too wounded for what happened here. I feel like Bethenny would have put the kibosh on everything, and that might have been boring. Sometimes it’s best just to let scenarios play out amongst consenting adults. Anyone is free to exit stage left at any time, as Tinsely demonstrated. Leah is sort of off on her own a little to the side, but she shares enough traits with these women, that I don’t think they’re going to bruise her. Leah seemed very impressed that she urinated on a prince, and that a bartender was coming over, even though he had no money, as she put it as she pounded on the piano, because she just wants someone to love her. I think she has serious issues with men, a serious self-destructive streak, and I would bet she’s had a lot of partners and may not be vigilant about protection. She said she met that prince in Spain. I wonder if that was the time she flew to Spain during her manic episode that she wrote about. She’s managed to stay alive this long so I guess I’m not worried about her. I’m curious to see what the status of her sobriety will be in the future. -
S10.E10: Black Ties and White Lies
LibertarianSlut replied to jewel21's topic in The Real Housewives Of Beverly Hills
Yeah, that’s true. I have to give Camille points for being honest too. She’s still a thin woman, but she used to be like a stick, like Rinna with slightly bigger boobs, and right after she survived the cancer, she was very open that she’s not able to maintain that figure anymore. I remember she used the words “new normal” about her body, and I thought that was lovely. Before she was on the show, when she was in her thirties, I used to think she was absolutely gorgeous. I’d always be like, “how did Frasier get such a hot wife?” I sometimes think the cure of getting old that these women resort to is worse than getting old. I don’t see how wrinkles could look worse than a perma-surprised face and giant balloon lips, but...I’m also not in the Hollywood spotlight getting my appearance critiqued by every media outfit available, so it’s easy for me to say. Nothing forgives those giant cuffs on her blouse though! They were like bell bottoms on arms. That shirt needs to burn. -
S12.E14: Remember Your Blue Stone Manners
LibertarianSlut replied to OnceSane's topic in The Real Housewives Of New York City
I think Leah saying she’s “desperate for dick” on TV was crossing a line. That was worse to me than Sonja screaming that she doesn’t shave her pussy at a party. Does Elyse having the pseudonym “Erica” from her “Wall Street” days read to anyone else that this is how she compartmentalizes what I can only imagine is an extremely heavy-drinking part of her repertoire? I notices she has been conspicuously sober this whole season. Methinks there is a story there. I’m wasn’t enthusiastic about Heather dropping by. I liked seeing Jill a whole lot more. Heather, immediately upon appearing on the screen, got in a passive-aggressive dig at Ramona with, “Ramona, look at you complimenting Luann’s singing!” Like, Heather, this show has been changed in the past five seasons without you. Ramona has actually learned and grown a lot, and she’s one of the closest people to Luann on the cast. It’s a brave new world that I don’t think Heather wants to or can or should be able to handle. After all, Heather started hyperventilating because Luann brought a man home on vacation in Turks & Caicos. She started crying when Bethenny didn’t want to eat her meatball. This show would eat her alive right now, and it sat wrong with me that she didn’t just come on and act gracious; she had to go right back to that place she was in with Ramona in 2012. It seemed tone-deaf, like she was reading out of an eight year old playbook for her cues. Ramona is the classiest one right now. Keep up. Ramona sounds so sad and lonely trotting out that same old tale again that she is a woman of property—two properties, in fact!!!—that it’s so much significantly harder for her to find a date than the plebeians. Keep telling yourself that and that it’s not your caustic personality. Whatever allows her to face the fact that she’s probably going to be alone or have to settle mightily. I don’t find the bathroom talk to be entertaining at all. It’s lower than drunkenness as far as entertainment value goes. Leah shrieking that she is the only who still has a period was so much worse than the 200,000 times Bethenny passively-aggressively stated that she needs a tampon, but there was no one to give her one. Plus, Heather was there. I’m pretty sure Heather still gets her period. Leah is apparently buying what Dorinda is selling that she is this innocent ingenue at the tender age of 37. Was that bartender Adam? He actually looked dirtier than Adam. Super unattractive looking man, especially compared to the rest of the men at the party IMO. Dorinda pulling a Ramona and dominating him with old drunken Berkshire tales was probably actually a favor to Leah, although I’m sure Leah will bang him regardless. I hope they wear a condom. For both of their sakes. And for the sake of everyone in the Berkshires. And everyone in New York. -
S12.E14: Remember Your Blue Stone Manners
LibertarianSlut replied to OnceSane's topic in The Real Housewives Of New York City
I would say Luann fell a long way from The Countess, laughing at young ladies who cut their chicken all at once rather than bite by bite, to dressing Sonja down through a giant mouthful of Chinese food, but she’s always sort of been a pig, just more of a covert pig. I don’t think Luann is acting. She never used her body in an aggressive way, looming over women who are sitting at a table, she would never bring her problems to Len, who is, after all, the help. I don’t think Luann, unlike Leah, would purposely stoop that low. Luann, Sonja, Ramona and Dorinda were all very, very drunk when this episode opened. The only thing that might have been exaggerated was the crying because Luann was feeling so sorry for herself. I don’t care if Dorinda brings up the mugshot to Luann again. It shut her up, didn’t it? She never showed proper remorse for that stunt she pulled with kicking the police officer, and she was acting in that moment like someone who would do it again. The irony that Dorinda is just as bad isn’t lost on me, but Luann needed to be taken down several pegs, and I’m not sure I care who finally did it. Bringing up Jovanni was vintage. I enjoyed it. Leah to Luann: “Let’s go to a pub.” Worst idea ever. Having said that, why weren’t cameras there?!?!? It’s not a vacation if Sonja doesn’t fall down or try to sexually assault someone. There is something so wrong with her. If she wants to get paid, she should negotiate a job that pays her a wage with which she’s pleased. Luann is extremely cheap, so I originally thought she should just pay the bitch, but that’s not how the market works, and I was blinded for my disdain for Luann. My opinion is that someone (crowdfunding maybe) should pay Sonja to stay off the stage. Dorinda and Luann were such drunken fools that I think it was good that they just made up. Luann’s not going to let this go though. She is incapable of letting things go, unless it’s Tom banging another woman, and then she doesn’t have a care in the world. I have less patience for Luann’s drunkenness than Dorinda’s. When we have to do a two-season arc about Dorinda’s sobriety with AA meetings and her bullshit and her triggers and her disinvites and how she deserves the best room at the manor because of her sobriety when she is lying!!!, I’ll give her a harder time. -
S10.E10: Black Ties and White Lies
LibertarianSlut replied to jewel21's topic in The Real Housewives Of Beverly Hills
I thought Dorit looked fab at the party. It was something that could have gone horribly wrong, but I think she got it right. Not greeting Camille and telling her how “gor-JUSS” she looks goes a long way toward not being fake for me. Erika looked good, not great, and Rinna’s suit was fun, if not chic. I liked the black accents and I love her hair longer and not so “iconic.” Eileen didn’t look quite as drop dead as I’m used to her being, but this is what it looks like to rock sixty. Everyone else, take note! Rinna was another one who was surprisingly unfake to Camille. I love how they blurred out the parts of the tweets that pertained to the reunion. I think the jig is up. I am completely shocked that Rinna didn’t fall all over herself greeting Kris Jenner. They seem like birds of a feather. So Garcelle calls Michael a “new boo” in her talking head, but when PK asks if they’re dating, Garcelle and Michael giggled uncomfortably, and they’ve only been together for eight days? Strange. I thought boo = boyfriend. I’m just not overall enthusiastic about her. I can’t believe Kathy is older than Kim. If it hadn’t been proven, I literally wouldn’t have believed it. If I was tempted to feel bad that Paul has a hot new wife and has slimmed down considerably, and Adrienne is...Adrienne, I just have to look back at the way she treated him, and—poof—I no longer feel bad. I can’t stand it when people ruin the color scheme because they feel like it, like that guy in there red tie sitting behind Garcelle, as well as Kathy’s gold cardigan. It is a black and white party. How hard is it to stick to, say, black? Please respect the aesthetic. It was so Aaron to wear a dark grey t-shirt to a black tie black and white party. I laughed out loud when Denise said she didn’t want to talk outside Sutton’s event with the paparazzi, only for the show to flash back to the event with no one outside. Maybe the editors don’t like Denise constantly seeking an exit either. I imagine it makes their jobs harder. I also think it’s pretty funny that Aaron didn’t seem to want to have one iota of conversation with PK, but he has all sorts of things to say to the people who are the main cast of this show. Someone knows which side his bread is buttered on. Holy lipstick on PK in his talking head!!! Denise and Teddi were nicer to Camille than I would have been. I don’t even hate Camille—I like her truth cannons to an extent—but I was actually curious as to the conversation that was going to occur between Teddi and Denise, and after the way Camille treated Teddi last season (saying Teddi snubbed her daughter), which read like a complete lie to me, I don’t think you need to speak to that person about your pregnancy. They don’t need to be enemies, but they don’t have to interrupt a conversation to accommodate Camille because she is so moved to get into the spotlight. I feel like there is a fine line between civil and cordial. Some of these women only need to be civil with each other. Cordiality rings fake. I liked this episode a lot. A lot of visual stimulation, a lot going on, a lot to think about, definitely something I will watch twice. I think the next episode will be just as good. Dare I start to feel optimistic about this season? -
S10.E10: Black Ties and White Lies
LibertarianSlut replied to jewel21's topic in The Real Housewives Of Beverly Hills
I wasn’t a huge fan of Camille’s home. It looked very seventies to me. Yolanda’s Malibu home was so much better than this, as was Camille’s former Malibu home(s). I can’t believe Camille is only in her early fifties. She looks like she’s in her sixties to me. Not 65, like Kim, but 60 for sure. The lips and eyebrows are awful. I’m not sure I need Camille around anymore at this point. She came in as a pinch hitter last season, and I don’t feel like this show should keep doing that. Let the season stand on its own. If it sucks, cast better next year. I just don’t care that much about someone who’s not in this group has to say about the group (somehow Sutton slides under my radar, because she’s only not a Housewife on a technicality). Camille has refused to be a Housewife since season two, yet she keeps coming in to give her two cents, like Statler and Waldorf. ”It hurt my feelings when you called me a hypocrite in front of everyone.” Hallelejuh, Denise, this is the exact thing I have wanted you to say! This is what gets me to be able to listen to her—when she’s calm and reasonable. And not cursing every other word. I knew she could do it. This puts Rinna on the defense, as the one who is cursing and screaming in talking heads. I wish she had continued this without losing her shit before. And it really helps that the husband is not there sending mixed messages. I still don’t understand how Denise shutting down threesome talk and talk of lesbianism once negates all she put out there about big dicks and happy endings all last season. Denise was the one who told Rinna how much she wants to protect her children after all they’ve been through. But her tag line this season is about happy endings. I don’t get it, because it’s inconsistent. I was so glad Rinna was finally allowed to break the fourth wall, because I was about pulling my hair out of my head that Denise was able to hide behind that for the better part of the season, which would have meant this entire season would have come down to the reunion, when they’re allowed to break the fourth wall, and that would have just made for horrible TV. Is this some type of 100th episode special or something? Trotting out Camille, TMCFR, Eileen, Adrienne and Brandi? And we had to see them pan up Camille’s body before they’d show us her face, like it’s supposed to be some giant shock that she’s there. When all’s said and done, who cares about a bunch of old housewives? I’d rather have something substantial happen with current housewives. That said, I was kind of happy to hear Eileen sort of roll her eyes about Aaron. There’s not much you can do but roll your eyes at Aaron. He tells Denise he can hold his own at these parties. So...Aaron’s definition of holding his own is making everyone extremely uncomfortable? Good to know. Dorit’s accent now sounds exactly like my aunt’s, who moved from New York to LA in her thirties. Is she at all embarrassed about the complete accent transplant, or is she sticking with the “when you’ve travelled the world, you can speak in any accent you want”? I have had it up to here with everyone on this show being in the biz. I don’t care about Garcelle’s project, or Eileen’s indie movie, or Broadway, etc. I’m simple in that I just want to see how rich everyone is. -
S12.E13: Not Feeling Jovani
LibertarianSlut replied to OnceSane's topic in The Real Housewives Of New York City
I noticed Luann professing one thing and doing another this episode. In New York, she told Ramona that Dorinda and Sonja were mad because of the birthday stunt Ramona pulled, because when she brought them to Larry Scott’s space “they thought you brought them there so you could get the picture and so you can get the party for free,” which is apparently a reason Luann thinks one person should be mad at another. At the end of the episode, she is singing a different tune and firing Sonja from her show for wanting to get made more than a stipend. Is there something wrong with trying to get something for free or paying them a pittance or is it not wrong, Luann? Or does it depend whose money it is? (I think it’s all tacky, but not actually wrong. It’s all about what all the parties agreed to in advance). For someone who thought Joe Farrell was déclassé with the tours of the homes, Dorinda seemed to be doing a lot of house tours. What happened to only showing someone the kitchen and loo, Dor? I have no opinion about the house itself, other than it is nice to see, but nowhere near my style. I’m getting a similar vibe off Dorinda to the vibe I got off Luann showing off her round house last season—I think a lot of their self-worth is tied up in these homes, and it is super important that their friends approve of them. It’s a lot of emotion to vest in an inanimate object. I was a little off-target when I said the women did an intervention on Ramona for allegedly using the word “drunk” on Dorinda. It was bigger than that. The intervention on Ramona was really just a pile-up because Ramona dares to socialize outside of their tiny six-woman circle, and I think the women—namely Elyse, Dorinda and Sonja—think it’s their job to cut her down to size, with the subtext of “it’s either us or them,” which I find overbearing and kind of frightening. It’s like they’re trying to bully Ramona into surrounding herself exclusively with this insular friend group (probably so she has no one to go to when they decide to bash her). It’s a little abusive. Who gives a shit who Ramona hangs out with? They feel so fucking threatened that she has options outside of them. What, are they dating her? Why don’t the rest of them have any other female friends? If there wasn’t already ample evidence that this show’s best years are behind it, I’d say upwards of 20% of the content is flashbacks to earlier seasons when things were actually happening that we wanted to watch. Even the producers know they’re delivering a subpar product. -
S12.E13: Not Feeling Jovani
LibertarianSlut replied to OnceSane's topic in The Real Housewives Of New York City
This show is suffering from too few cast members. I have always said that five is too small of a cast. They simply run out of organic conflict and interactions. I actually liked the season they had eight ho’wives. I mean, there’s an intervention for Ramona regarding whether she asked Dorinda if she was drunk last episode? This is so lame. It’s because nothing else is going on. I was so glad that fight ended, because it was bullshit, but it was much ado about nothing in the first place, and I’m kind of embarrassed it got so much airtime. There was like a moment on the show when everyone was commenting on how good Sonja’s ass was that the general tenor of the room was something less than blotto drunk. That moment was nice. Then Luann and Ramona slurred at each other about paying Sonja and I was awakened from my reverie. I know this is irrational and not her fault, but the more corona TH’s they show of Luann, the less I like her. She has like negative stage presence. Luann was so wasted stomping around with “ya done! Ya done!” This reads to me as more than alcohol. She’ll likely be back in rehab or jail within the year. Her monologue to Ramona that sounded straight out of Streetcar Named Desire was so chilling. Then Dorinda got up and tracked down Luann with the arm and the fingers and I got excited because it felt like evil meeting evil (not the women themselves, but the way they are when they’re drunk). It felt like Dorinda was finally picking on someone her own size and I cannot wait to see what happens next week! -
S12.E13: Not Feeling Jovani
LibertarianSlut replied to OnceSane's topic in The Real Housewives Of New York City
“Sonja in the city” goes all the way back to season six, when Sonja fashioned herself a party planner and had the most awful music act for Aviva and Reid’s anniversary party. She did the whole party wrong. Glad to hear that is back! So Sonja’s evidence that she is part of the Morgan family is her “blue book” that calls her a Morgan. If I had my telephone number listed in the Dallas White Pages in 1997, would that make me a current resident of Dallas? As annoying as I find Elyse’s accent, and as dismayed that I was to see her lifting her arm and punching her finger in her talking head a la Dorinda and “back it up,” is as much as I believed her story that Ramona was slyly flirting with her husband, which is so not cool. I still don’t care about her off-camera story about Omar’s and I still don’t care very much about what she has to say. This is like the second coming of Barbara. I think Ramona and Luann are both right when it comes to the reason that Dorinda is acting out—she is mad at Richard for dying and she felt used by Ramona for the party venue. I am just not a big fan of Luann as the peacemaker, because it’s apparent she doesn’t really care, she’s just speaking her lines to move the story along. I also get the sense from Luann that she likes to lecture and tell people to make up for the sake of having the high ground, and not because she cares about the feelings of the parties involved, so I kind of tune her out when she pretends she cares. I am so glad everyone was able to have a sense of humor about the fish room! A sense of humor about anything on this show is welcome. A picture of Elyse driving with the caption of “it’s all fun and games until someone pisses me off” that she posted on Instagram. Lol. Someone’s twelve. Or angling for the apple. What does Elyse want from Ramona, her blood? In my world, someone acts like an asshole, you back up from them. You don’t stalk them into an apology. So now we’re rewriting history and Ramona gaslit Leah in Rhode Island? In what way? Ramona was completely in her right to have the conversation alone with Elyse. A few seasons ago, Bethenny wanted to talk to Ramona alone at a table full of cast members, and when Tinsley dared to glance in their direction at the table, she got a tongue-lashing from Bethenny. That was absurd, and the women jumping into the conversation and correcting Ramona’s English during her altercation with Elyse is just as absurd, but on the opposite end of the spectrum. They’re all acting like they’re 12. And amateurish. Don’t they know the good old Blue Stone Manor tradition is to have multiple conflicts going on at once? Leah saying Dorinda’s behavior after Dorinda told Luann to “be careful” about what she said was like “ a communist regime.” What is it they say about stopped clocks being right? -
S10.E09: Until We Leave Again
LibertarianSlut replied to TexasGal's topic in The Real Housewives Of Beverly Hills
That’s like me asking what’s wrong with someone’s skin looking like leather—it’s an observation, not a denouncement. I’m pointing out that a 55 year old woman looks 10 years older to me. I don’t think it’s a flattering look, and I’m commenting on it. If I thought Kim looked 20, would it be inferred that there’s something wrong with 20? I feel like there’s a lot of age-baiting going on. There are phenomena and patterns that accompany age, and as long as they are there, I will cheerfully point them out. As far as what is wrong with the human body, I am just kind of amused at the question. I don’t want to bare my breasts for my sister, and I don’t want her baring hers for me, so Kim and Kyle are different from my sister and me. By this reasoning, every woman who bothers to wear a top at any time, or any person of either sex not going naked at any time can be taken as a statement on the impropriety on the naked body. I can’t speak to that. This is reading so deep into something I didn’t say. I was observing that RHBH is marginally better to me than RHNYC right now, and in comparing the two franchises, I noticed that RHBH has more women who are romantically intertwined with men, and that might make them more interesting for me to watch as Housewives. If that’s going to be inferred as a sweeping statement about one segment of the population being “better” than another, I have no control over that. I watch these shows and give my opinions. I can’t be responsible for things I didn’t say. On the day that I say that “sixty is gross, breasts are shameful, and only couples are worthy” will I be able to respond to these questions or comments. I can’t comment on something I didn’t say or mean. Pivoting back to the show, I don’t have a lot of patience for people who are looking to be offended. If I thought the women were pouncing on Denise for mommy-shaming them, I’d be on her side, because I don’t like it when Kyle or Erika project their own stuff onto people who are making neutral statements about their own situations. When Eileen said to Erika, “it’s not like she killed your kid” and Erika went into hysteria, I didn’t agree with that behavior. It’s not a good look for Erika. In this season, I see other things going on, but as soon as someone becomes someone’s victim, which Kyle has done a handful of times this season, I don’t have an iota of patience for her behavior. -
S10.E09: Until We Leave Again
LibertarianSlut replied to TexasGal's topic in The Real Housewives Of Beverly Hills
I already said in my earlier post that Erika wasn’t arguing with Aaron. I went back to the tape and typed what she said verbatim, her demeanor, and her tone, all in an effort to support my argument that Erika wasn’t fighting. I don’t know now how, after typing all that, to continue to answer the question with regard to “why did Erika start arguing when Denise was in the restroom?” She wasn’t arguing. She was addressing a situation that Aaron caused that made her uncomfortable. Same with Teddi. That’s my opinion. And I’ve given ample evidence to support my opinion. I don’t understand the false equivalency of “if they weren’t trying to fight with Aaron, they necessarily would have waited for Denise.” No, this is America, where women can talk to men and vice versa about uncomfortable topics without a fight breaking out. Erika’s issue was with Aaron, so she brought it up to Aaron. At the beginning, they weren’t looking for Denise to say anything, save Kyle, who wanted to talk about the weirdness of leaving her party so abruptly, which is why Erika didn’t wait around for Denise to start talking to Aaron. That part is self-evident to me. I feel like the “no one has anything to say unless they’re talking about Denise” argument was trotted out all of last season, except insert LVP for Denise. So, that argument failed, and this argument is failing too. If Denise continues to give them something to talk about, they will, and if she doesn’t, they’ll talk about something else, which is exactly what happened with LVP. And, once again, I don’t know if there’s a point of continuing to argue this because I already addressed it at length, I have no objection to Denise bringing her husband places. My problem is with his attitude. That’s where I’m coming from when I say she’s weaponizing him. I keep bringing it to his delivery and it keeps being brought back to his presence, which is starting to become a straw man argument to me. I agree to disagree because I don’t think my points are being answered, thus I don’t think it would advance the discussion for me to continue to make the same assertions. I don’t think Kyle owed Denise a call in this instance, just the way that I don’t think Denise owed Kyle a call when Kyle stomped out of Denise’s backyard in a childish fit. The storming out is where the etiquette breach began, IMO, so that doesn’t really get rewarded to me, in my world, with a phone call the next day. You storm out of my party like a little bitch? (This goes for Denise and Kyle). I’m not going to bend over backwards to coddle you, but if I see you again, I might or might not say something. If I’m on a TV show where I’m paid to drive drama, chances are I’m bringing it up quietly around a table. I agree that it’s all shitty etiquette, but it’s also par for the course. I doubt Sutton is complaining, because without drama, that trunk show would not have made it to air. -
S10.E09: Until We Leave Again
LibertarianSlut replied to TexasGal's topic in The Real Housewives Of Beverly Hills
It’s not Aaron’s presence at these parties that I objected to in my post. I object to Denise using Aaron as a weapon, as a human shield, as a mouthpiece. I wrote at great length in the last episode’s thread how Denise and Aaron went into the barbecue with completely different MO’s, and it hurt them. Denise was walking in as a reluctant, negative participant (saying she just wanted to go to a restaurant, telling Aaron she had no plans to eat), and Aaron’s objective was to walk in there and say to the women “we’re fine, what is your problem?” If he and his wife could have acted fine, that position wouldn’t have gone over like a lead balloon and maybe Aaron would have gotten somewhere. I agree that Aaron “more than held his own against the...women” at the barbecue. He walked in with a huge chip on his shoulder and started talking down to everyone and asked them if they felt good about themselves apropos of nothing. He was utterly aggressive. At Sutton’s trunk party, all he was able to do was say that he wanted tequila, and everything else was just parroting back what other people had said, along with “Really? Really?” The only sentence he said of his own accord was telling Erika “I’m glad you worked that out” when she said she didn’t have a problem with herself, which made no sense to me, before he stomped off again and again talked about crushing his wife’s arm. If that’s holding his own, then I have no idea what a babbling fool who has no leg to stand on looks like. It’s my opinion that the women are not “continually trying to start an argument” with Aaron. This is how is played out to me: Aaron comes to Kyle’s barbecue with an axe to grind, cursing up a storm and being really inappropriate, makes accusations, and storms out The next time Aaron is at an event with the women, Kyle and Aaron agree that they will discuss how Kyle feels “weird about how you guys left my house the other day...but I don’t want to like talk about it when she’s not here,” and Aaron shrugged and said “right, when she comes back”. I’m still not seeing anyone starting a fight with Aaron. Erika says to Aaron, with a smile and an ultra-casual tone, “Aaron, you let us have it. You’ve told us that we’re bad people and that we should look in the mirror and are we happy with ourselves?” Which is not a fight, it’s a discussion, and it’s a follow-up and it was holding someone accountable for their behavior the last time, and that’s her prerogative not to brush it under the carpet like Dorit. If Erika had been screaming at Aaron, or lecturing him, or threatening him, that would be “trying to start an argument” to me. This is just normal human conversation, and it’s not Erika’s fault if Aaron stands there like a dunderhead saying, “Are you?” After some juvenile arguing where Aaron is apparently taking his plays out of the PeeWee Herman Handbook of “I know you are, but what am I?” the two babies take their toys and go home. Again. The problem, as I see it, is that Denise and Aaron could put this whole thing to bed if they’d get on the same page, which they seem to think they’re above doing for reasons that are unknown to me. I said Denise was right by not taking the bait earlier in the season. She came out of that looking good. If Denise had just stuck with what she said earlier on the season, and said they had all spoken out of form at Denise’s party, and going forward, everyone (including Denise) would be mindful of the children, that is what would win the day. But Denise and Aaron departed from form because, I think, at her core, Denise Fucking Richards doesn’t think anyone has any right to take issue with her, so she’s the one who’s not letting it die. You don’t unleash your crazy, drunk husband on a bunch of women at a barbecue and then demand that it be over. That’s not at all how it works, Baby Girl Denise. That’s the opposite of how it works. That’s how your get everyone’s dander up again and cause more arguments. Denise is either throwing rocks and then hiding her hands, which is probably me giving her too much credit, or she’s frustrated that people aren’t eating out of her hand this season, so she just makes jabs inconsistently—either directly or through her husband—and wonders why no one will let it go. The nerve of them not to let it go exactly at the moment that Denise and Aaron choose, which happens to be right after Aaron lectured everyone on what horrible people they were, and Denise hissed at Teddi that she’s a shit-stirrer. Why won’t they just drop it when Denise Fucking Richards wants to drop it, indeed! Ha. -
S10.E09: Until We Leave Again
LibertarianSlut replied to TexasGal's topic in The Real Housewives Of Beverly Hills
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S10.E09: Until We Leave Again
LibertarianSlut replied to TexasGal's topic in The Real Housewives Of Beverly Hills
I liked Sutton’s shade to Teddi that she was having a real event with a real invitation that they showed onscreen. I feel like Teddi loses her way really easily, and needs to be reminded how to be assertive without being an asshole. I know I’m in the minority, but I like this franchise better than NYC right now. These women, for the most part, have husbands and relationships, and when Dorit mentioned that she moved to Italy after finishing “university” 🤮, I realize these women may be more educated than their New York counterparts. I know that Sonja and Ramona went to FIT on the other franchise (and I’m not even sure if Sonja graduated), so I think that’s about a college graduation rate of 20%. I think—and I haven’t done an extensive background dive—that all the women on this franchise have gone to college, even if they didn’t graduate, save Kyle, who, as she told us in season one “didn’t get to go to college.” Cry me a river, Kyle. But there is a stability factor, and an education factor, as fragile as they may be, on this franchise, that is noticeably lacking on the other. Denise bringing Aaron to consecutive events now sends the message that she’s wielding her husband like a weapon. She either feels weak, or like she doesn’t want to do this, and the sharks are smelling blood in the water. Does she realize there would be no show if everyone let sleeping dogs lie? I actually think Denise is much better on her own. When Kyle said she felt weird that Denise left her party early, Denise just shot back that Kyle left Denise’s party early, so they’re even. That’s so much more entertaining to me than a rogue husband. I love the way Erika handled Aaron. It was very direct, but not aggressive or hysterical, which was the way she was with PK a couple of seasons back. Aaron was definitely trying to intimidate the ladies at Kyle’s barbecue, and I’m really glad Erika and Teddi stood their ground against him at Sutton’s party, in a non-threatening way. He can’t seem to hold his own in an argument. One thing Aaron did that I hate was to repeat “moral high ground” and “can you let me talk to Denise?” with “Really? Really? Do you want to go there? Do you want to go there right now?” It’s passive-aggressive and it’s a way to buy time when someone doesn’t know how to respond. If I say something to a woman or a man, I find it an incredible waste of time for them to repeat it to me with a “Really?” Whenever anyone’s said that to me, I’ve always snapped them out of it by saying, “Just assume I mean everything I say from this point forward.” Where the hell was Aaron going to go with Teddi vis a vis the moral high ground anyway? Teddi is, in my opinion, a baby and a punk, but she doesn’t suffer from such low moral character that she shouldn’t be the first to address someone else saying it about her. Who does Aaron think he’s dealing with, The Morally Corrupt Faye Resnick? Once again, Denise is crushing Aaron’s hand and they’re leaving an event early because of the cameras. The more things change, the more they stay the same. Is this going to be their MO for the rest of the season? Then Erika is right and they should probably just not talk to her anymore. Surviving this show is not for sissies. Everyone has had to take their season being a hated housewife. Just ask Camille. Denise needs to be able to hold her own without her husband, or she should exit stage left IMO. -
S10.E09: Until We Leave Again
LibertarianSlut replied to TexasGal's topic in The Real Housewives Of Beverly Hills
If everything in life is too trivial for a couple where one “deals with cancer,” then what the fuck is Denise doing on one of the most trivial reality TV shows on Bravo? Isn’t it all, be definition, too trivial when juxtaposed against cancer? What an obnoxious argument. Erika was right that Tom wouldn’t be caught dead treating his wife’s friends the way Aaron did. I love Aaron giving the time line of when everyone should move on. Does he think he’s Andy Cohen? The point in the tent that Rinna was driving at, if I may break the fourth wall for a moment, is that Denise and Aaron said on camera that they were going to a strip club, not whether they actually went to a strip club from Kyle’s barbecue. I have no idea where they draw their line in their sand (strip clubs = cool, threesomes = no no), so how can the rest of the cast know? Not to be too nit picky about Dorit’s closet, but if she has to give away four pairs of shoes and put some of her coats in PK’s closet from inception, then it’s not as aspirational as it could be. I would assume someone who was actually rich would have a custom built closet with ample space. Kim looks like she’s well over 60 to me. If I was hazarding a guess, I would put her at 65 or higher. I could never, ever stand there topless with my sister in a doctor’s office, and I assume I would need eye bleach if I had to see my sister topless, unless it was a serious medical situation, not cosmetic/medical. Who just stands up with their lab coat completely open, making idle conversation, with their necklaces and breasts out on display together? That would just freak everyone I know out. Why did we get so much Kim this episode? There are seven women plus a friend. Was this part of the hiatus remix? Fail! I’d rather see Lisa Rinna running around barefoot. Aaron to Sami: “Don’t do what I do, like, ever.” First time Aaron has made any sense to me all season. I was bored by Erika and Lisa’s procedure—call me old school, but nothing makes you skinnier except diet, exercise and liposuction. Nothing noninvasive is going to lift that bony ass for more than a few minutes. Not a huge fan of Garcelle’s 3,200 square foot house in the valley, other than the brand new interior. The lot looked tiny, with no greenery in sight. Her neighbor could lean out her window to lend her a cup of sugar. We’re not exactly in Adrienne Malouf territory anymore. These women acting stupid, as opposed to one step away from alcohol poisoning on every episode, like RHNYC, is a welcome respite.