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The show can miss me with all this hoopla over their precious Esme. Liz sure didn’t have any crisis of conscience a year or so ago when she was hiding bodies in freezers. But the show cares about Esme (and is intent on whitewashing her in the laziest way possible) so now Liz is all tied up in knots! Ok. 🙄 I guess if I cared about Esme, this plot would work for me but I do not. I do not care about this character or her mutant baby in the slightest. I just see more characters tossed under the bus to prop her, and I’m over it.

I guess in real life I would probably give my mom the side eye if she told me she held someone prisoner but b/c this is a tv show . . . . I just can't. All the drama about Esme and what happened to her is so OTT in my opinion. Other characters have done much worse on this show, and no one has blinked an eye. Carly literally kidnapped someone's grandmother, and everyone just brushed it off. We know the edit of this Esme incident would be entirely different if it was Carly in Liz's place and Josslyn/Michael in Cam's. They would tell their mom she was right to do what she did and that Esme had it coming. No one would need to think about it alone in their room. Carly wouldn't be crying. She would proudly announce what she did and dare anyone to have a problem w/it. I'm sick of the double standard on this show. Niz did what they did. Esme started it. Nik finished it (for awhile). Who cares? I don't care about Esme, and I hope Spencer gets custody of her kid. Something bad needs to happen to her. It's clear she's gonna get away w/drugging and framing Trina and murdering that other dude. The least that could happen is her losing her kid! So, any news on WL? Is he leaving? I assume he is. This is probably the show's way of recasting w/an older-looking, more muscular dude later. I like WL but am fine w/him leaving. I also like Cameron and unlike others on this show, I think they would write for Cam more if he was available. I hope Sprina kiss again soon! Trina was looking really pretty today. I know Portia lied to Curtis but he's an ass. Something he said to her made me think, "Man, forget you." LOL! Maybe it was the way he said, "I'll try" or whatever he said. Ugh . . . I can't stand him.

All the stories drag if you ask me! Austin and Mason have been having the same conversation for months!! Liz’s story was dragged out. The Hooker was awfully paced and dragged out too. I swear Michael has been talking about this revenge for over a year now. GH drags plots out to the point no one cares anymore!! If Michael's silly revenge plot had played out closer to the actual incident, it would look better for him. Now, he looks super petty! You have a new baby, your wife is dying, you have company issues (I think) —— but getting revenge on Daddy for falling in love when he had amnesia is still a top priority?!? Michael looks like an idiot who needs to get his priorities straight!! The fact that this is still the top priority for him is not a good look. Another problem with GH is the conclusions to their arcs never justify the length of the journey! All those months of Carly keeping secrets for the end to utterly fizzle out. Curtis and Portia are clearly staying together but so much time was wasted on that secret. If the plan isn’t to shake things up, why is so much time wasted on the setup?!? GH gives no return on your investment. They’re building up this Pikeman stuff but it will probably fizzle out too.

Depends on where you go on Twitter I guess because I see massive amounts of hate for her and Michael on Twitter. Most want her dead! 🤣

Yup. Willow was being utterly delusional regarding Wiley!! She was living in a world where she was his biological mother, and Nina threatened that. Wiley was never upset because he was too freaking young to be upset. It was always Willow! And their OTT reaction to this confirmed what I always believed: they NEVER intended to tell Wiley about Nelle. They can lie to everyone that they had a plan but they didn’t. Michael didn’t learn about AJ until late in life, and they were hoping to never tell Wiley! They are both awful! I wish they would take their kids and leave town. They serve no purpose on this show!

I’m with you on this hill! I also think it’s wildly absurd to think that stupid Millow never sat Wiley down to tell him who Nina was before the visit! Why wouldn’t they? What did they say? Some rando wants to spend time with you, and we said, “Sure.” 🙄 That’s absurd. They had to tell him who she was!! It’s the only thing that makes any sense. And if they didn’t, they should have stuck around to answer any questions Wiley might have had about Nina and his relationship to her. I hate this idea that Nina was expected to lie to this kid or feed into Willow’s delusions. She told the truth and has been punished for it because Willow is a nutter who can’t handle reality! Also, ICAM with you about wishing Willow would just say what she really means. Just say you don’t like Nina and don’t want to be bothered her. That “protecting Wiley” crap is just that: crap!!! Nina wouldn’t hurt that brat and they ALL know that!

I hear you guys. There's definitely too many babies, but I also think if there weren't so many unnecessary babies/pregnancies on the show, others could be more celebrated. It's easy to get baby burnout when folks that shouldn't have babies keep winding up pregnant! I remember ppl not wanting Sasha pregnant b/c we had just finished w/Maxie's pregnancy and BLQ's fake one, but I feel Maxie never should have been pregnant! I would much rather have seen Sasha's baby live than Maxie's. Peter's dead. Bailey Lou is pointless. If Molly is pregnant, I think it will be nice for Tolly, assuming she keeps it. Esme and Willow didn't need babies if you ask me, esp. Esme.

I think it may be SAM who is pregnant, not Molly. And that's when I would roll my eyes! lol Ghost Anna was good! They have good tech at the morgue I guess. hahaha!

Exactly! That's all I'm saying. Because Tolly are third-tier characters, Molly's pregnancy could hopefully be uneventful (lol) and normal! No wilderness births. No baby switches. Just a nice, normal pregnancy for a decent couple. As a Brucas fan, I was excited for them but then their baby was stolen and given to one of the worst characters on the show! They could have just been happy parents we occasionally see! I completely understand!!! And I agree that both babies recently born (Ace and Amelia) are pointless and shouldn't be here, but those are the only babies we get on this show! I'm sick of their brats surviving and no other kids being born. That said, I'm not baby obsessed so I would be fine w/her not being pregnant. I can only say if she was, I wouldn't automatically roll my eyes like I would if BLQ was knocked up or Portia! LOL!

Yeah . . . I'm WFH today, and this episode is straight boring. Haha! I've barely looked up or unmuted. I did unmute when Molly was offered wine to see if she would take it. There was speculation last week about her being possibly being pregnant. I know @Daisy wouldn't want her pregnant but I think a Tolly pregnancy would be ok. They've been together for years and are young prof'ls. I would rather them get a kid than see Esme w/one! All the kids are born to characters I hate, or should I say the kids that survive are typically born to characters I despise like Amelia or Leo or Donna. lol

It saddens and frightens me for the future of the show if he thinks that was a twist. Is he serious? The minute Austin and Ava didn't immediately "handle" Nik's body, we all knew he wasn't going to be there when they returned. The twist would have been him still being there! 🙄 I also don't understand the point of the Willow/Nina story either. They have Willow so hateful and rigid in her opinion of Nina. She's not curious about Nina in any way. She has no questions about her biological father. She doesn't seem interested in her past. She has a husband, two kids, and a MIL she accepts as her mother soooooooo . . . . . . what's the point of the story? At this point I just want Nina to move on w/her life. I don't want to see her fretting over Willow. I know the girl is dying but this is just not entertaining to me. This is a non-story stuck in loop of Nina misery porn. This can only be entertaining to those who love the Carlys and love to see them be hateful to Nina no matter what she does. I would love to see Nina in a story that has absolutely nothing to do w/the Carlys.

I think it’s only been one day, right? Or possibly two? Austin ran up on her hiding Nik, and she said they couldn’t move the body then because she had to go to the wedding. When she got back from the wedding, Austin texted her and came right over. They were interrupted by Ryan. Austin was hospitalized and released, and then they met up AGAIN to move the body. Now, Dante and the PCPD have shown up. So, I think it’s been 1-2 days, and it is supposedly cold so I can understand why Nikolas’s body isn’t smelling.

Ugh……Liz is beyond annoying! All this regret and hemming and hawing is getting on my nerves. Can someone explain to me - other than for plot purposes - just why she had to confess?!? She’s hidden dead bodies before so what was the big deal with this situation? Esme doesn’t seem to be regaining her memories so there was no reason to say anything. I know this was all being done for the plot but it just makes Liz seem flaky and stupid! LOL! I’m glad she got slapped! It’s interesting how she didn’t live in fear when she hid Peter! 🙄 I’m glad Portia told Jordan she was right. I was gonna be ticked if Portia yelled at her. It’s clear Portia and Curtis will remain together so they may as well just get to that and move on to a new story. I don’t care about them. Does GH think its clever or surprising? I’m 99.99% sure Nikolas’s body is no longer there. Oh, wow! How shocking!! 🙄 I would be more shocked if his body was there. And this is probably unpopular but I would like his body to be there. Liz, Spencer, and Laura should know he didn’t skip town. That narrative bothers me because it was done before and further trashed Nik. They should know he’s “dead.” Austin/Ava should have moved his body already or something.

Since this is the Spoilers and Speculation thread - and we are doing neither at this point - I’ll just say I wholeheartedly disagree with everything @jsbt has said regarding Paul and Franco. I will agree that Todd couldn’t be written as he was in today’s world but that is neither here nor there. I appreciate RoHo in any way I can get him.

Right?!?! I remember telling someone that Todd Manning was way darker than Franco ever tried to be!! And there’s no way writers would write anyone like Todd today. No way! I’m with you in seeing him - when portrayed by RoHo - as one of the best daytime characters ever written! I just enjoy his acting. It’s the little things he does that stay with me. I liked the way he poked his head up last week and told Felicia to stop throwing shade! 🤣 That was hilarious! I would definitely prefer Franco on my screen but I’m just happy Roger is still around to enjoy!!

I swear this show has no idea what to do with Liz! Her huge anniversary story crashed and burned. She no longer goes into fugue states and I guess has come to terms with pushing Reiko down the steps?!? Her issues with her parents have also resolved I guess. I don’t know! 🤷🏾‍♀️ They pushed her into Nikolas’s plot, which could have led to those two reconnecting. Unlike many, I had zero issues with Niz holding Esme hostage, and if I couldn’t have Nava, I would have been happy with Niz. MC and ReHe had great chemistry. Rebecca even mentioned wanting to go there too. But MC was fired, Nik was killed, and now Liz is foolishly insistent on confessing. It’s lame. Can’t they come up with an interesting story for Liz? Can’t they make her actions make sense? She hid a dead body and never confessed! Esme is perfectly fine and doesn’t even remember. Let it go. If she did remember, deny it! Why would they take Esme’s word over Liz’s?!

Call me a RoHo stan but I truly feel all the characters he’s played are different. There may be some similarities but they are largely different characters to me. Todd Manning was nothing like Paul Ryan, IMO. And Paul and Todd were nothing like Franco. We haven’t seen too much with Austin yet but he doesn’t remind me of Franco. Again, I admittedly love RoHo. He is the reason I started watching soaps. I was mesmerized by his performance as Todd Manning so I’m biased. But I truly never understand the claim that every character he plays is the same. They’re all different to me but I guess it’s subjective anyway. IMO, Todd was the darkest character he ever played. When ppl said Franco was just like Todd, I wondered if they actually watched Todd. The man never smiled or laughed. He was perpetually sour and hostile. He had massive sexual hang ups. He was cautious about who he loved. He was insanely jealous. He was ridiculously cruel at times. He handed his wife a can of dirt and told her it was her dead, cremated baby when he had actually given the baby to some nuns because he didn’t think it was his kid! I can’t imagine Franco doing that. Todd was riddled with issues. Franco - as played by RoHo - was none of those things, IMO. I honestly don’t get the comparison but to each his/her own. The rumor is the ABC executives didn’t like Franco’s “rapist” past, and that’s why they got rid of the character. I’m glad (big surprise there, right) they gave RoHo a new character to play because that decision wasn’t his doing. I still say it was a mistake because Franco and Friz were insanely popular, but that’s JMO.

@Daisy and @dubbel zout - Yup . . . It make no sense that Drew was checking out Willow. Wilow should have checked herself out. She's not even married to Michael, so she's no relation to Drew. Michael couldn't check her out either. Why couldn't she check herself out? She looks strong enough to sign some papers. This stupid scene btw Nina and Drewfus could happened at the MetroCourt or Deception or something.

Whoa . . . . what a departure from the past few days!! The Carlys are awful and ridiculously boring. I don't care about their drama anymore. They just need to wrap it all up. We all know Willow is not dying so why are they wasting time on this? It's not interesting. I only un-muted a couple of times during the hour. Sam/Dante - never went off mute. Nina/Drewfus - I unmuted a couple of times, but didn't listen to their entire conversation. I loved Nina's last line to Drew. Drew used to have morals. I know he kisses Carly's butt and licks her feet, but even I was taken aback by him saying Carly owed Nina nothing. That didn't seem like something even this doofy Drew would say. Drew is firmly a Carly sycophant and a trash human being now. Good job, GH. Dumpster Barbie & Ken - I looked up and read he revealed that he's working against Sonny. At least they're getting some movement on that storyline. And he's putting Sonny's fate in her hands . . . . umm . . . ok. 🙄 Sonny/BLQ - never went off mute. But I loved loved loved that room. Beautiful decorations. All the windows and light! Goregous room! Heather/Sasha - didn't go off mute. Sonny/Michael - I went off mute here. I liked Sonny's last line to Michael b/c it's really true. If I were dying, I would hope I wouldn't be as nasty as Willow. She's such a horrible, unpleasant, unlikable character. I know she hates Nina but all Nina ever really did was try to visit her grandson. It's not the crime of the century. She was stolen from Nina. She could grant the woman who birthed her five minutes of her precious time. Ugh . . . . I wish the character would die. She's just insufferable. Carly/Willow - Never went off mute and rarely looked up to see the scene had changed. I detest both of those characters!

I wonder if DT is not into this material or something because he barely had any smoke for Portia. The writing hasn’t helped but he seemed mildly perturbed for most of their confrontation. He got a little better towards the end but I must say I was disappointed. He had more heat for Jordan re: those stupid missing divorce papers!! And he seemed more angry knowing Jordan knew and didn’t tell him as if she had to tell him anything!! I’m sure he’s gonna bring the smoke to her. Screw this show if they don’t let Jordan read him for filth!!! I loved the Sprina scenes!! And their kiss was good too. I like those two. I muted Alexis/Gregory. All the stuff at Spoon Island was good! I assume Austin will make it since help is coming but you never know with this regime! Instead of going to Wyndemere, Heather should have driven off and left Ryan to his stupid games! They could have been long gone by now but he just had to stop for Ava. Heather was crazy (no kidding) to involve herself with him and his whacked out obsessions.

I think I’m at the table for one. 🤣 From what I see across the interwebs, most ppl agree with you and want Taggart to remain her dad. Honestly, if Taggart was regularly featured, I might agree with you but since he isn’t, I’m ok with making Curtis her dad. She already likes Curtis, and she’s grown so I don’t see much changing for them. The changes would be btw Trina and Portia and Portia and Curtis. Also, I need to see Curtis and Portia devastated. I hate them. I want to see Curtis, Trina, and Taggart rage at Portia. I want Curtis to serve Portia with annulment papers or ask Laura to not even file the certificate with the court! Any subsequent puffing Curtis does about having a daughter will get the FF from me! I hate Curtis and FF/mute almost all his scenes! 🤣

I’m probably in the minority in that I hope Curtis is Trina’s dad - not because I dislike Taggart but mostly because I want there to have been a point to this dragged out story and all these confrontations and conversations we’ve witnessed for months! If GH pulls another Finn/Chase/Gregory, I will wonder why we wasted so much time on what turned out to be an inconsequential secret. Gregory and Chase were mad for two seconds and then they were all breaking bread with each other. That was boring. I was greatly disappointed in the “fallout” of that story especially since it was teased for years. I just need there to be some point to these stories. Stupidly, I still have a small sliver of hope that this will lead to some good reactions and some drama - something GH is sorely lacking nowadays. I watch for drama. And I know we could get the drama now with just the possibility being revealed but I see it as a cop out if they don’t proceed with what they set up! Plus, Trina is 20-years old. Taggart will always be her dad. I don’t see anything changing in that relationship so that doesn’t worry me. I also hate Portia and Curtis so I need to see their worlds rocked and shattered! 🤣🤣🤣 IMO, the better story is for Curtis to be the dad. That will give all these months and setup a purpose; otherwise, I will wonder why time was even wasted on this arc. Other stories could have been told.

And she was messing with Todd around that time too IRC.

Can we talk about Elizabeth? She keeps going on and on about that darn secret, and I’m sick of it. Is this the new “plot” for her or something?!? Girl…..if you’re that tied up in knots, retain Scotty, work out a deal for yourself, and shut up! I’m so sick of hearing her whine about what she did! Maybe if she hadn’t hidden a body in a freezer a year or so ago, I might feel differently but she did! I understand her actions/feelings are driving Ava to act but……….Liz is beyond annoying at this point. If she wants to be an idiot and confess, fine. I hope she does it already and quits talking about it. I hate the way the show has used Jordan because at the end of the day, if Portia wants to lie to Curtis, that’s on her. Jordan shouldn’t care! They could have let Portia have lots of FBs to Jordan’s initial advice to be honest before Curtis dumps her and then everyone praising her on her honesty and how she never lies or even Curtis talking about how Jordan’s (work-related) lies ruined their relationship 🙄- and achieved the same goal. Having Jordan always mentioning it makes her seem jealous and thirsty!

On the show, they made Finn about 20 years older than Liz w/their ridiculous Liz throws Reiko down the stairs at 15 retcon! Finn and Reiko were already practicing doctors at that time!