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I'm not mad at anyone for Cam not considering Lucky to be his dad currently; I'm mad that he's talking like Franco is the only father he's ever had *and* not acknowledging that Lucky was ever a part of his life. Just one line where he says, "I have some vague memories of Aiden's dad from when I was little, but he abandoned us" would have worked for me. I don't need to hear specifically: "I have fun memories when Aiden's dad was a father figure to me when I was a little kid."

He first started out talking about Franco, but stopped because she made the point that Franco came back but her dad isn't going to. I'm contradicting the bolded because he essentially did say that. He speculates about if Zander had lived: "Maybe I would have known what it was like to have a father in my life." He's telling Trina he's glad for her that she has good memories of her father/knows he loved her, with the implication being that he'll never know his bio father and the Show's position is that Lucky never existed in his life. I guess we can agree to disagree re: Robin's kids and Sonny and Jason as extended family in the future because at this point it's all speculation. As far as I'm concerned, unless we see Emma excited to be around either of them or Emma/Anna/Robert (or Robin if she visits again) mention Emma and Noah chatting with, or wanting a visit with Jason and Sonny, they are not a part of either child's life. Sonny is pretty busy with making Dev a minion-in-reserves as well as hoarding local children, and Jason barely has contact with his own eldest child who lives in the same town. The only scenario in which I could see Emma looking up to Jason or Sonny with adoration is if one of them saves her in some kidnapping/hostage crisis because Anna is busy slobbering all over Peter.

A) Yes, Robin still talks to Jason and Sonny. Emma has been in scenes with Anna and Jason, and knows Jason is a friend of her mom's but she has never called them "Uncle" nor has she been seen looking up to them as role models. She does not Skype with them or go looking for them while visiting with Grandma Anna. B) It's fine, and should be expected, that Cam is curious about his bio father. However, Cam said something about what if his father had lived, they could have played ball, etc. Lucky did play catch or maybe it was football with Cam when he was a child. Cam is talking like he never had a father figure in his life until Franco and that is the problem. If he even had a line like "Aiden's dad played with me sometimes when I was little, but then he abandoned us" it would have worked to acknowledge the reality of his history. C) Totally agree with you about Leisl and that Anna should hate her and never owes her an apology. However, I want her to be hellbent on taking down Leisl for her proven crimes against Robin , not because she's "framing poor Peter, my son." Leisl enabled Faison to eventually kill Nathan, so I don't feel any sympathy for her. An obsession with punishing Leisl for the years she spent protecting and enabling Faison and therefore robbing granddaughter Emma of years she'll never get back with Robin would be totally understandable. But Anna salivating over nailing Leisl for these crimes like Peter is a minor who never knew how to do the right thing and is now trying to but big, bad Liesl sees him as an easy patsy for her crimes is ..... ludicrous. FH played those scenes like she is really desperate for her blind faith in Peter to be validated, not like she believes with every fiber of her being that Leisl is guilty.

Nelle trusted Ryan Chamberlain, serial killer, knowing exactly who he was and what he has done. I don't believe for a second she wouldn't willingly and knowingly put the baby in harm's way to get what she wanted. She has already tried to use him as a shield ("Chase, are you going to shoot me while I'm holding my baby?") She is as much of a danger to that baby as Michael's family is. Ava, on the other hand, raised Kiki to adulthood without her being harmed by Ava's family connections. She genuinely loves Avery (that was evident when she spoke of Avery being all alone all night outdoors with an ill man who didn't know who she was.) Nelle only uses Wiley as a prop to try to hurt people and get what she wants. I would prefer both M&N lose their rights and Wiley get returned to Lucas. I agree with you that the Show is trying to push Franco as the only father Cam has ever known, as well as to punish JJ. Yes, both. Cam always called Lucky "Daddy" or "Dad," and both GV and JJ as Lucky called him "my son," and Elizabeth always considered Lucky to be Cam's father. Even after Aiden was born and was assumed to be Nik's, Lucky was seen playing with 6-year-old Cam in the park, and taking him and toddler Jake camping. I still remember at that time, JJ's Lucky explained that their had been a mix-up about Aiden, and he made it clear to Cam that even though they don't have the same DNA he wanted to be Cam's dad. In child Cam and JJ's Lucky last scene together, he said "I love you, Dad." BC's Morgan did reference Jax as a father/father figure to Sonny when they were fighting Cam's lines referencing his bio father and Franco wouldn't have bothered me if he also mentioned Lucky as "Aiden's dad, who abandoned us." It would make sense that Cam resents Lucky's abandonment and therefore refuses to acknowledge memories of him being a loving father for the first 6-7 years of his life. But for the Show to not let Cam acknowledge Lucky ever being in his life is utter bullshit/major Franco propping. Lucky was Cam's dad longer than Elizabeth and Franco have been together at this point.

A) I would be perfectly happy to see Trina's mom be hot and hostile to Carly, as no one is more deserving. For example, Carly tries to be charming and assure her that Trina is so totally safe while hanging out with Joss at Casa Corinthos because of all the guards ... and gets a nasty reality check from Trina's mom given recent events. B) I think a murder mystery is coming, but the murderer will be someone unexpected like Sasha or Lorraine/Harmony (Willow's mother) or even Josslyn.

I agree. In Anna's case, I think mother's guilt over not being there for Robin when she found out she was HIV+ is a major reason why she feels she has to be nice to/respectful of Jason. I remember she said something to Jason years ago about being grateful that he convinced Robin to get on the protocol/save her own life. I also remember her saying, "It should have been us, Robert!!" when Robert spoke of how Robin had Mac to support her. Robin leaned on her Uncle Mac, as well as gangster Sonny and Jason (instead of Anna and Robert, because they were presumed to be deceased). As for today: The Robert, Finn and Violet scene was adorable. In her conversation with Elizabeth, Dr. Robinson comes off like she had contempt for Taggert's choices/decisions and is mad at him for coming to Port Charles and seeing Trina. Seriously, her daughter is heartbroken yet she doesn't shed a tear? She's not at all sad her ex is dead? That final line to Jordan was just so ... cold/heartless. WOW, Cam's lines to Trina were a big F-Y from the writers/TPTB to JJ and Lucky. That's the first confirmation that Cam knows of Zander, but to not even acknowledge that Lucky ever existed in his life?! UGHHH!!!! Really enjoyed Alexis and Neil's scenes at the opera, with her referencing her Cassadine blood. Anna's rush to excitedly tell Robert and Finn that Peter is totes innocent and big bad Obrecht did it all ... Robert and Finn's faces truly said 'you sad dupe." Points to Maxie for her reaction to Nina's entrance; shutting the doors to get away from the ickiness of Jax and Nina was the smartest thing she's done in ages.

Leisl isn't actively bonding with Robin's minor children as "family" and being considered a role model while she commits crime/gets people killed. Peter is. Peter is responsible for the presumed death of Drew Cain, a man Robin claimed to consider a friend. He has been lying to Anna and her family, while committing crimes and trying to cover his tracks. Robin and Patrick, Anna and Robert know exactly who Leisl is and what she has done, and her vile self does not have contact with Robin's children that we know of... just Maxie's as the twit glazes over/excuses everything Liesl does because he's the grandmother of her son. Robert wants Anna to be the smart person he used to know, and for their grandchildren to not look up to a liar and murderer as "uncle."

I liked that it was Willow's words that shut Nelle up and knocked the smug look off her face, not Carly. I also liked Dr. Obrecht calling Nelle "grubby" to her face, LOL. I thought Sam was the worst PI in the world, but Spinelli is giving her a run for her money. Are we supposed to be on Dr. Robinson's side? The curtness/coldness/restrained hostility was uncalled for at a time when Trina can use all the love and support she can get. If Trina's mother has such a problem with Ava's family/association with Mobsters, she never should have let Trina, her minor daughter, intern at the gallery to begin with and thus bond with Ava. When Ava told Franco "she's not wrong" for what she said, I was thinking, yeah but that doesn't make it okay. As a mother, Mrs. Robinson should have compassion for another mother who lost her daughter even if she doesn't like Ava based on what she knows of her. Good for Elizabeth for bringing up history to make the point to Nikolas she doesn't like who he has become (I assume that moment was the only point of him accompanying Ava). On the other side of town, it's beneath Anna to be such a fool. I really can't stand Jordan. Her ...hollowness? ..... is just as grating as Sonny's sleaziness. Did MB turn up the sleaze a notch today?

This is true. Between Lucas rarely to never having a scene with just Wiley, just a few tears when he handed Wiley over to Michael, and no mention of Lucas/reason given why he wasn't in court today, the Show makes it seem like Lucas was never that invested in Wiley. Michael mentioned concern that Wiley misses Lucas (as if Lucas is now deceased and unable to be around) but then went on and on about how Willow and Wiley need each other. Um, Wiley lived with Lucas for a year and a half. Willow was not a part of Wiley's life on a daily basis. The writing makes Michael look stupid for a) not attempting to find a place in Wiley's "new" life for Lucas, and b) being so confident that Nelle would just go back to prison and have no chance at a claim on Wiley. I rolled my eyes at his 'duh/huh? look when Diane said her line about Nelle's rights. I had this thought today: Sasha deserves to have Carly as her boyfriend's mother/MIL from hell. Willow does not. The writers' intention was glaringly obvious when it was Carly, Willow and Michael v. Nelle in the courtroom hall at the end of the episode.

It's nice when there are things to love about GH: - Mac, showing respect for Taggert/behaving in his official capacity (even if it was to Jordan) and then being awesome for the way he spoke to/did not respect Jason and Sonny. I adore how he clearly does not give a shit that Robin was once in love with Jason. -Curtis walking away from Sonny and Jason's attempt to fish for information behind Jordan's back. - Nelle's/Shiloh's former lawyer telling Carly "you of all people should understand the word allegedly." Hey Carly, clearly you don't understand the word because they can prove that Nelle is Wiley's mother/birth mother. -Carly flipping out, seething as Robert and the other attorney explained they don't have a clear cut case against Nelle right now (after Carly just spent a scene or two putting down/taunting her) ... and Nelle smugly watching Carly's fury. -Chase being a sweet, devoted boyfriend to Willow ... but now listening to and going along with Sasha's idea makes me think it's going to get out of hand/blow up, and Michael and Willow will end up breaking up with the two of them. -Carly's face when Nelle handed Michael the "suing for custody of Wiley" papers. I have to ask, why did neither Michael nor Carly nor Willow notice and wonder why Valentin would show up in court to see what happened to Nelle?

I like the idea of Elizabeth's son helping/caring for Taggert's daughter after Taggert was gentle with Elizabeth in handling her rape case when she was the age the kids are now. I like their friendship as it is now. Trina is a cool/interesting character, but as of now she's not tied to any major/legacy family. Taggert had not been around Port Charles for a long time. I want Cam's first love story to matter like Joss and (gag) Oscar's did. Joss doesn't deserve Cam. The only age-appropriate female I can think of as legacy (and daughter of his mom's friend) is Emma, but she only visits Robin's parents from time to time and BLS hasn't improved as an actress as she's been growing up. This show really needs more younger actors, like bringing on the new (NOT retconned!) or previously established children of characters familiar to the audience, like a teenage Lila Rae or a son/daughter of Jerry Jax or a son/daughter of Sarah Webber. (I believe Elizabeth mentioned to Nikolas in the past that Sarah has kids.)

That's actually better than my assumption - I really thought Michael would change his name to Wiley Jonah Corinthos. When he turns 18, he can drop the "Corinthos" if he wants to. The focus on Willow's grief makes sense to me because she carried a baby for 9 months, then bonded with Lucas and Michael over Wiley and went to lengths to protect him because she thought this was her baby, in danger from Shiloh. In a conversation in Willow's classroom, Lucas called her "Wiley's mother." When Lucas and Brad decided to leave town, they asked Willow to be Wiley's legal guardian in the event of their deaths. Michael has made it clear he considers Willow to be the motherly presence in Wiley's life, with Brucas as the two dads and himself as an uncle. The point of giving Brucas a kid was to make Carly a key player in this drama - the irony/punishment from Nelle that Carly's brother and brother-in-law got to raise her grandson right in front of her face, and Michael's, and "Grandma" and"Daddy" had no idea. Now the narrative has shifted to Michael "understands Willow's grief" (no he doesn't) because he "mourned her son." Michael wants her to stay close, essentially be the mom stand-in, because Nelle is .... Nelle. However, what we saw on-screen was not Michael looking forward to being a dad and then being devastated/heartbroken for months when his "son died." He looked sad in the hospital chapel while holding the deceased newborn, referenced going to a grief group and we saw him chat with Willow elsewhere because they met in the grief group, and he said something to Joss about keeping busy and focusing on his godson to deal with his grief. We never saw him so depressed he didn't want to get out of bed, or weeping at Jonah's grave, or being comforted as he broke down at the end of a grief group meeting. Willow described Michael's grief to Chase, as she had observed it in the group meeting. I feel for Willow's pain, because I've seen her story unfold, I've seen her have nurturing scenes with Wiley, and she is grieving the way a mother who hears her child died would. I don't feel for Michael's pain because the audience has only been told that he has been grieving; same for the rest of his family. I sort of feel for Lucas, except I can't even recall if he ever had a scene alone with Wiley and the audience has yet to see him look completely devastated about losing his son. I'm not expecting to see much of Lucas, because the writers are focusing on the bond between Michael and Willow over Wiley and possibly setting up a Chase/Willow/Michael triangle.

I am sensing the writers will try to sort of recreate the Lucky and Elizabeth post V-day trauma love story with Cam and Trina love story post winter formal kidnapping/her dad's death trauma. Joss will be jealous that Cam isn't all focused on her pain anymore.

Absolutely. She didn't understand nor did she care that Willow needs to grieve the loss of her son. She's clearly not Willow's "girl friend" as she claimed to be when Willow had the pregnancy scare. Instead, Willow is ideal for Sasha's life: a woman who already loves Wiley can fill the role of maternal presence (because Sasha doesn't want it), while not being a threat to her relationship with Michael because Willow is in love with Chase. However, Michael telling Willow "you'll always have a place in my family" (not "you're always welcome in Wiley's life") and Sasha's "we'll just figure it out" attitude to Michael about their relationship (not "I love you and Wiley/I'm committed) combined with pressuring Willow to be there for Michael and Willow makes me think the Michael-Sasha relationship isn't going to last very long (a breakup in six months - a year). Sasha's unknowingly rolling out the welcome mat for her boyfriend to fall in love with Willow. I would be fine with Sasha leaving anytime now because her character serves no purpose outside of Michael (please, Lucy is rarely seen-that 'storyline' doesn't count.)

Don't get your hopes up, GHScorpiosRule. He was seen after Lucas/medical staff worked on him. Trina and Jordan both spent x number of minutes with his body (closed eyes/face exposed) and with Epiphany in a supporting role.

I wonder if the actor just wanted to come back briefly? You should watch the last scenes of him with Trina, and I mostly liked the last scene of him with Curtis and Jordan. Hated that Sonny got a moment alone with him, but it showed how much he loves Trina that he would ask Sonny of all people to look out for her. So, will Gia make an appearance in the wake of her brother's death?

That scene was of Trina talking to her father, but he passed away shortly after. As soon as he asked Trina to go get him candy and looked like he was fighting to stay awake as she was excited for him to get better and stay in Port Charles, I figured he knew he was going to die shortly but didn't want her to see it. I'm mad that he is dead and also that when Lucas is seen, he's the doctor who has tell Trina there's nothing more they could have done. LOVED the big Cameron-Elizabeth hug and then the scene of Cam describing his trauma to Elizabeth. Beautifully acted, very moving (thankfully Franco just stood there and kept his mouth shut). Becky Herbst also deserves props for the way Elizabeth stepped up in a combo of off-duty nurse and mother to gently give Trina the sad news, then hold her while she cried. I liked Brando pushing back against Carson but UGH Carly holding a baby doesn't curb her obnoxiousness/smug face. Shut the F UP, Sasha. The best, subtle bit, was Willow giving Sasha side-eye when Sasha touched her shoulder as she tried to emotionally manipulate Willow into being around to make life better for Michael and Wiley. Little tip Sasha, bringing up Nina re: Charlotte as a symbol of motherhood when you have knowledge that Nina was awful to Willow re: Charlotte is a stupid move when you're trying to get your way. I liked Willow's "yes, you are" in response to Sasha's "I'm not trying..." line. Jason, what does it say about you that even Sonny closes his eyes for a moment and has a slight regretful look on his face at hearing Taggart died/seeing Trina cry, and you just ... live up to the nickname of Stone Cold. I like how Laura manages to make the Big Bad squirm a bit while he blew off both Sonny and Jordan when they tried to be fierce. I also liked Curtis blowing off Jason when he wanted answers.

AMEN!

I still want to see at least one scene of Willow and Lucas together mourning the betrayal together and leaning on each other, and then Michael and Lucas agreeing (maybe after Willow encourages Michael on the subject) that Lucas needs to be a big part of Wiley's life. Michael commented that Willow got hurt the worst by this, and I agree. However, Willow and Lucas have the shitty bond of both being betrayed by someone who made legal and (imo) sacred agreements with them. Brad along with Lucas signed documents promising to raise, love and cherish Willow's baby. Then Brad broke Willow's trust and treated her baby like a defective appliance within 24 hours, then lied to her for a year and a half, so that she would continue to be invested in a child that wasn't hers thus ensuring his own "happy family" stayed together. His behavior toward Willow strongly reminds me how Carly used and lied to AJ, and did not feel guilty for the pain she caused him because she only cared about herself and hanging onto Jason. I rolled my eyes at Michael's line that there is only him and will he be enough for Wiley. Ummm, hey fool, Lucas is still Wiley's legal father and you live in a mansion, why not invite Lucas to move in? Your grandmother has been friends with his mother for decades and knows Lucas well! The best thing for comfort and stability right now would most likely be you, Lucas, and Willow being around Wiley as often as possible since he's had enough confusion between Daddy Lucas being out of his life for months and now Daddy Brad being MIA. I want to see Monica and Bobbie bonding over their shared great grandson, too. I also want a horsie.

If it had been any other police rep. saying that to Elizabeth, I would agree. However, Jordan previously asked Franco privately to take responsibility for murders to lure the serial killer out of hiding and asked him to keep it a secret from Elizabeth and everyone else. She didn't get that cleared first and tell Chase/police colleagues about it, so I call b.s. on her giving a civilian, esp. Elizabeth, crap for not following the police-preferred protocol. I remember Elizabeth spoke about her boys being traumatized because Franco got arrested, the Webber home got ransacked by police, and kids at school were talking about their stepdad/family as a result of Jordan's secret deal with Franco. I agree with GHScorpiosRule that Cam did the right thing in the kidnapping escape/rescue situation, and I didn't like how Jordan behaved with Elizabeth.

I really thought the babydaddy was going to pull a gun on either Rome or Regina and Eve. Regardless, I agree with everyone this is not going to end with Rome and Regina getting Eve's baby.

Good for Cam for fighting back! It's so predictable that Jason shoots the guy who's aiming at a teenager, defenseless on the ground. My heart went out to Trina, seeing her dad get shot saving her/distracting the bad guys so that Curtis could get her out. I would have vomited from the stress, too. Those two teenagers acted their hearts out today, well done! Kudos to Cam for talking Trina down from doing something stupid, and then comforting her. It SUCKS however that Jason will get credited in being a partner in stopping the bad guys from murdering Taggert. My heart broke for him with all that blood and "Take care of my daughter." I will guess that next week he has a very close call but survives. I really liked the Willow/Chase and Willow/Michael scenes. I anticipate Michael having feelings for her as she spends time with Wiley, and growing distant from "business woman" Sasha, in the not too distant future. Molly, I totally understand your feelings but seriously, how could you hurt the love of your life like that AND never have a conversation about marriage in 8 years together.

In my opinion: A) The kidnapping was personal; the goal was to use his daughter to make him compliant. He feels guilty that Trina and Cam are in danger because of him. So, he hopes/wants to resolve it without Jordan's/PCPD/s help and without scaring Elizabeth. B) He got to know Elizabeth because he was a police officer and she was a rape victim on Valentine's Day; Lucky found her crawling out of the bushes when he was walking home from the high school's V-day dance. Fast forward to 2020: her son and his daughter are now the same age Elizabeth was when that trauma happened. I am sure he was remembering that when he told Cam to make sure Trina got home safe after the dance. They were en route to a winter dance at the school when they were kidnapped. It's not the exact same situation, but I imagine that it could/will bring up memories and she will be upset that her son is afraid and his life has been impacted by a violent/dangerous man. I imagine Taggert feels awful that her son is in this potentially traumatic situation because someone wants to get at him. I assume Elizabeth left out a lot of important details in explaining to Franco how she and Taggert know each other because of Franco's issues and behavior. If she brings up how kind Taggert was to her in the aftermath of being a teen rape victim, Franco is likely to get snarky and lash out because Tom eventually got out/why didn't the police find a way for such a monster to accidentally die in police custody, etc. If she brings up how Taggert was so gentle with her when she was devastated about believing Lucky died in the fire, Franco would fixate on how Lucky was the true love of her life and that's hard to live up to when he just loves her soooo much and it's not fair and.....UGH. I laugh at her explaining that she was friends with his sister. Ummm, I remember how they did NOT get along and Gia was involved with Nikolas. I found the brief scene with Taggert disappointing; hopefully Elizabeth gets a scene or two with him about the past and present that has more substance when Franco isn't around to be difficult/annoying.

My reaction was "Seriously, Show?!!" when the first thing Elizabeth does after receiving the text for help from Cam is call Jason to save her son. I assume that last scene with Sonny, Brando and Carly, Joss and Dev means Dev is staying. UGH.

Couldn't happen to a more deserving mother with a history of disregarding danger herself. My sweet Cam better be okay! (I missed the show today for an interview.) I actually don't want to see him get together with Trina since she liked Dev first and he rejected her. When a girl has single Dev and single Cam as options and goes after Dev (ugh) first, I feel she doesn't deserve Cam. Not that I think Joss deserves him either, I mean she had a crush on, then was in love with, Oscar.