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"Of course Brooke Logan's daughter would kiss my daughter's husband"? Bitch? Do you remember any of your daughter's life? To put it in terms you'll understand, Taylor Hayes's daughter full on fucked Brooke Logan's daughter's husband. And do you not remember any of your own actions? Let me refresh your memory. A little over a year ago, you came strolling back into town and immediately started throwing yourself at Brooke's husband, including making out with him when he was still married to Brooke. Yes, Steffy, there really is some "like mother, like daughter" going on here. We've got a mother/daughter team who seem to have forgotten everything they've done in the past so they can act like one kiss is the worst thing anyone has ever done to anyone's marriage. And are we not supposed to remember that, between Taylor and Steffy, they've slept their way through three families? Is Steffy going to have to stop back at her house on her way out of town to tear into Finn for his cousin kissing Bill? "I just got done telling you how tired I am for having to fight through everything for this marriage, and what do you do? I walk in on your cousin kissing Bill, who I thought was her father. What is wrong with you, Finn?"

And we will need one mega lightning bolt to char all four of their hypocritical asses.

It's especially ridiculous when you see her in scenes with Brooke and Ridge.

Ridge should have manned up and told Taylor that Steffy is only outnumbered in her own mind, because she's the one who has been perpetrating this whole "Forresters vs. Logans" feud all on her own. Of course, now that Taylor is back in town, she'll support Steffy in that bullshit. There are constantly moments where I think "OK, this should make Finn sit up and realize what kind of toxic marriage he's in." Today's was Princess SuperBitch acting like Poppy being arrested is something that Finn has inflicted on her delicate sensibilities. Also, does he remember the "Thomas is family, and you will support him" lecture she gave him when he dared express concern after hearing about how Thomas killed Emma? And she mentioned Liam's name again, and it didn't trigger Finn to have a "now wait a motherfucking minute, let's talk about Liam, shall we? Let's talk about how often I've asked, not demanded, but asked, you to set some boundaries with him. You're here yelling at me about how often you forbid me to spend time with Hope, but how have you ever adjusted your time and intimacy with Liam to respect our marriage and my concerns?" Because everything she ranted about Hope today goes double (at least) for Liam. And is this the third time Steffy has needed space and time away from Finn? That should be another red flag for him. Then Steffy's "everyone knows exactly who you are now" rant at Hope over one kiss? I know Hope said she was just going to take her licks because she knows she was wrong to kiss Finn, but, damn, she absolutely should have responded with "someone who doesn't go quite as far as you do with another woman's husband?" And how magnanimous of Steffy to say that she's tried to rise above the "differences" they've had in the past when the vast majority of those "differences" involved Steffy heavily pursuing and banging Hope's husband. She's such a generous soul to try to rise above her own bullshit.

Princess SuperBitch was in rare form yesterday. When she was ripping into Finn about how he allowed Hope to become comfortable intruding in their relationship until she eventually kissed him, I was waiting for him to bring up how she has been allowing Liam to be even more comfortable, even after Liam expressly told both of them that he was trying to break up their marriage. But, no, as per usual, nobody is ever allowed to point out Princess SuperBitch's hypocrisy. All of her past sins are washed clean within 2 business days. Lord, but that whole things was abusive and toxic. One thing that jumped out at me was that, when he was talking to Hope, Finn mentioned how he has to tell Steffy because he works hard every day to regain her trust. Then, Steffy tells him that she is tired of being the only person who is working to save their marriage. And, again, he doesn't get mad at that or defend himself, even though he was just fucking talking about how hard he's been working. Again, I have to ask, does the show know they're writing this relationship as an abusive one? Or do they think this is some kind of example of a good and healthy relationship to aspire to? Shut up, Taylor. You're even more infantile than your sister-daughter with the "evil Logans" crap. And Ridge is doing what he thinks is best for his family's company, not arranging playdates for the spoiled brat you've both unleashed on the world. He's not demanding that Steffy get together with Brooke for slumber parties, he's telling her to act like a fucking professional and put the company's best interests over her petty bullshit. And what are you even doing at FC anyway? Didn't you tell your hellspawn that you were headed out to get your practice back in order? Speaking of which, how do you still have a practice to return to when you're constantly abandoning it (and your children and grandchildren) every time you don't get to lay claim to Ridge's dick?

Steffy is always so considerate of Finn her husband. He tells her he needs to talk to her, Taylor offers to give them some privacy, and Steffy is all "no, stay." She just heard Hope's name, and she wanted to have mommy stick around to back her up and help her tell him that he can't be friends with Hope anymore. And then when he finally does get her alone to tell her, she ignores every detail he gives her to latch onto "you kissed Hope?" That is not what he said. Do the writers realize the kind of wife they've been writing her as? Do they think they've been writing this as a healthy marriage? Brooke, the man has a name. He's not Steffy's accessory. "Could my mom have faked the paternity test?" No, your aunt is the one who ran the damn thing with a test she brought with her. Does nobody in the writer's room remember this? It wasn't that long ago.

When they were sitting on the couch, before the kiss, he looked pretty uncomfortable.

If they were still together, at least Katie's side of this whole story could be a little messy and soapy, and her being so obsessed with Bill's life could have had some consequences for her in her relationship with Carter.

Was there only one correct guess so far this season? I feel like these people never saw the other two seasons, because they have no strategy, and they're terrible at figuring out clues. Not only did we have Danny spilling Mackenzie's clue after being eliminated in this episode, but we also had Adam telling everyone how Hud had told him who Naomi's relative was after he guessed her right. Keep that shit to yourselves, guys.

I know who Adam's relative is, but when the yarn clue came up, I initially thought it was for Marc Anthony. So I was confused for a moment when the clue that actually was for Marc Anthony came up later. Mackenzie and Hud played it wrong when voting for the guesser this time. If Shane was the guesser, he was either going to incorrectly guess Mackenzie's relative, which would have sent him home, or guess Adam's relative (which also would have sent Shane home, since he was on the wrong track, but from their perspective, he may have figured Adam out). So if they'd sent Shane in to guess, they could feel pretty confident that either he was going home or Adam was going home. Since none of them seem to have any idea who Shane is related to, him going home would be good for all of them. And if he managed to figure out Adam, then they'd get rid of someone who annoys them. And they would have kept Danny around, someone whose relative they feel pretty confident they know. But now they're stuck with Adam and Shane, two people who they haven't figured out yet. And, oddly enough, Adam may have the two of them figured out. He seemed to feel like he was on to something with both of them. Danny was a dick to announce Mackenzie's clue to everyone on his way out. Have we ever seen anyone do that on any season? Kevin and Franklin (or someone behind the scenes) should have stepped in and stopped him immediately when it became clear what he was doing.

Now that you say that, I can see it that way, too. It would explain why she thought her tablet would be in this strange backpack. She thought she might have accidentally put it in there, so she was looking. But when Poppy came out, Luna had to pretend she was confused by it and never saw it. Now, her confiding in RJ about the backpack seems diabolical. She knew his busybody aunt was all over trying to pin this on Poppy, and she gave him all the ammunition Katie would need, hoping he'd pass it along to her.

I definitely thought it was going to be her after Hollis was killed. He seemed so happy to see whoever it was, and the show had gone to the trouble of explaining to us that she and RJ hung out with Hollis regularly (despite never showing us even a hint of that before). When Luna was so confused by the backpack, I figured I must be wrong. But maybe she was playing her mother all along and setting her up. This. JMW looked to me like she ran out and got some more work done after seeing how young RB looks. But the fact that she's obviously had work done, combined with how young RB looks for her age, would make you think JMW might be the older one if you didn't know their ages.

I was thinking the same thing. He's so mad and guilty over feeling something that he has to tell Steffy. If he had no real reaction to the kiss, I think he'd be more likely to try to keep it quiet, because he knows that telling Steffy is going to create WWIII in their personal lives and her professional life. He never said a word to Steffy about Hope telling him she has feelings for him. If he knows his wife at all, he should know that she'll consider it just as big of a betrayal to not tell him about that as it would be to not tell her about the kiss. He didn't feel guilty enough about Hope's feelings for him to need to tell her, because he didn't do anything there. But he feels guilty about the kiss because he liked it. Of course, he won't tell Steffy that he liked it, but that's the reason he's taking such a hard line on telling her. Which is just insane. They wrote them into essentially the same situation. They both were kissed by the one person that will trigger their spouse the most.* One of them is intent on taking that to the grave while the other confesses almost immediately. How do you do that with a couple and not eventually tie those together and have some fallout from their different reactions? *I'd contend that Finn has way more reason to see Liam as the worst person for Steffy to share any kisses with since there was a history there of Steffy cheating on him with Liam, but Steffy thinks Hope and Brooke are the source of all that has ever gone wrong in her life, so, in her brain, Hope is worse than someone she's actually cheated with.

Where did you find info on Finn's age, because I was just looking for some established age for him and couldn't find anything. Earlier this year, though, he talked about how Poppy lived with his family for a while right around when he was starting college, and then Luna was born almost a year later. That would put him around 17-18 (at least) years older than Luna, not 15. Dammit, why couldn't Katie have walked in when Luna was kissing Bill? I would have laughed my ass of if she walked in there all smug and ready to demand the results of the paternity test, only to catch that happening. I cannot wait for Finn to find out that Liam kissed Steffy and she never told him. That's where this is going, right? After he's been all morally righteous about what a betrayal it would be to his marriage to not tell Steffy Hope kissed him, he has to eventually find out that she does not share the same moral code, right? And, God, all Steffy does, apparently, is bitch to her mother about Hope? Maybe I've judged Taylor to harshly for staying away.

Since Finn doesn't seem to remember anything, the assumption is that, if it happened, he was severely drunk or on something. Maybe Poppy was already popping "mints" back then, and he got Luna-ed. It would certainly explain why Li hates Poppy so much. That level of hatred didn't make sense when we were told it was basically because Poppy had an affair while working at the hospital.

Maybe Liam can be useful for once, and when he hears about the Hope/Finn kiss, which we know he will, because Steffy will go shrieking to him about it, he accidentally lets it slip in front of either Hope or Finn that he kissed Steffy twice after he saw Hope kiss Thomas. The writers have to know that they're writing the Steffy/Finn marriage lopsided, right? We all know she never told him about those kisses, but he's going to go run and tell her about this. And his dialogue today about how he had to fight to win her trust back and how hard he has to work every day? Not to mention that, if she'd said she needed to talk to him about something, he would have sat down and talked before going into his office. But Steffy suddenly has a work ethic when he says he needs to talk to her? Steffy having one line about wanting to be there for him about this Poppy stuff doesn't erase how uneven their relationship is. On a related note, I bet he doesn't even get a chance to tell Steffy about the kiss, because when they both get home, she'll talk right over him, insisting her news (Poppy's arrest) is bigger than whatever he needs to tell her. Speaking of that, Steffy brought up how Poppy lived with Finn and his parents for a while, so I think we're back to Finn being the father. I'm guessing that Li got a sample from either Finn or Jack and switched that with Bill's sample when she ran the test. Jack killed Tom and Hollis, and Li has been covering for him. Brooke kisses Steffy's ass way too much. Having to assure her that she isn't looking to hurt her? What has Brooke done to hurt Steffy anyway? Been in love with an equally in love and willing Ridge? When is Steffy going to direct some of her anger at her mother? Taylor has proven over and over again that she doesn't want to stay in town around her kids and grandkids unless riding Ridge's dick is potentially a part of the package. As soon as that possibility dries up, she hightails it out of town. So now she'll come back and make another play for Ridge, and, if it doesn't work, she'll be out the door to some conference she never returns from. Katie is just ridiculous. All "well, apparently..." like she didn't drive every single second of Poppy's arrest. I'm surprised she didn't ask Baker if she could slap the cuffs on her and march her out to the squad car herself.

Did they decide they needed to make someone on this show worse than Steffy, so they wrote all this shit for Katie? What a completely insensitive asshole. First, she should have shown herself out right behind Poppy and the police. Then, not only did she stay, but she starts harassing Bill to take a new paternity test. She knows how much he adores Luna, but she just has to hit him when he's down by insisting that she's probably not his daughter. Then, she fills their son's head with that crap, too, instead of letting Bill have two seconds to process everything and decide what he wants to do. Also, I thought a while back that we were going to end up with Bill deciding to be Luna's father even if he's not biologically. I suspect that's still where this is headed. Brooke, stop kissing Steffy's ass. It's embarrassing. She's never going to accept you or Hope as part of her family, and she's going to be plotting with her sister-mommy to break you guys up two seconds after Taylor enters L.A. airspace. I'm also embarrassed for Hope, who was super drunk. But, I will say this - Finn was into that kiss for a second or two. Yeah, he's almost certainly going to be angry with her tomorrow, but the seed has really been planted in this head now. And when he finds out he's Luna's father, he's going to end up turning to Hope.

Yep. Li is a doctor who we have seen twice now not want to treat someone she saw in distress (Sheila in the hospital that one time when Finn took over and saved her, and Tom when she sat there while he died on stage). She can be cold blooded when she thinks she's protecting her family. I'm guessing that Jack is the actual killer (because he and Li both know who Luna's father is and don't want it to come out), but Li was happy to sit there and let Tom die to keep things secret.

Man, Steffy likes to put the bitch in party, doesn't she? "I wish this was a family event." Um, Steffy? Until Danny and Cricket showed up, that was a family event. Brooke is your father's partner. Hope is her daughter (who he helped raise). Hope is also Eric's wife's niece. I keep waiting for Finn to notice how utterly unpleasant his wife is, and that it's not just a Sheila thing, she's like this to anyone who isn't on her very small "approved" list. I cracked up at the look on Ridge's face when Steffy stepped up to make a speech. He knows what he's raised, and he was terrified she was going to embarrass herself, him, Brooke, and the company. Katie "I didn't ask the police to arrest her." Oh, please. And yes, like @GHScorpiosRule said, the timeline was absurd. Katie calls Baker claiming she has "evidence" (side note: "my nephew told me his girlfriend told him" is not evidence). Then she hightails it over to Bill's house. She's a few minutes into yet another monologue about the evils of Poppy, and Baker shows up with the evidence he found in Poppy's apartment. So, in the time it took her to drive from the restaurant to Bill's, plus a few minutes, Baker got a warrant, got a team over to the apartment, searched it, found the backpack, searched the backpack, secured the pill container, took it to a lab, had it tested, got the results back, and drove to Bill's house? Sure, that makes sense and isn't at all absurd.

When Adam was the one who actually came up with Marc Anthony's name, I was shocked. I'm pretty sure that was the only thing he's known this entire season. He is so reliant on everyone else to do everything. Even earlier in this episode, when he was whining about people not sharing clues with him. Why should anyone share what they know with you, when you have nothing to share in return? I was cracking up at how stressed out they all were when he called Adam's name instead of Danny. Calm down, guys. Someone who isn't you is still going home, and the rest of you still know who Danny's relative is, so you're golden there. The clues seem to be so much easier to decipher this season than last season. Danny's was super easy. I'm looking at Hud to win the whole thing. I believe Naomi had his clue? And she seemed to be keeping everything to herself, because she was convinced she was the mastermind of the game. (Which is extra funny when you remember that she was completely wrong about who his clue pointed to). So, with his clue gone, it's out of play until they bring back former players to help the final few contestants. And even then, someone is going to need her to actually show them the clue. Because if they just ask her who it points to, she is going to, with complete confidence, tell them the wrong person. If not Hud, then Shane. Nobody seems to have any guesses about him. But, I also don't think anyone has pulled his clue. Personally, if I was whoever wins next week, his is the clue I'd pull.

Good Lord, RJ. Shut up. And Katie was so disingenuous with her "do you really think Poppy could have killed them?" Like she hasn't been running all over accusing Poppy of exactly that already. And, Katie, you have evidence? You don't have evidence. You have a conversation that you heard about fourth hand. Ugh, not the "daddy" crap again. Make it stop. And that whole scene was weird. I thought for sure she was going to discover some kind of clue when she went to get him the milk. But she didn't, so that whole scene was pretty pointless. I perked up when Bill mentioned Wyatt.

If we have to put up with Tridge v. Bridge Part 7,856, can we at least have Finn and Hope have another one of those "your smile lights up the whole world" conversations for Steffy to overhear? Please? Give me something to enjoy here, show.

I think their age gap is around 6 or 7 years. RB has aged decently well, and TK has, errr... not. So the difference seems larger. Personally, if they were going to ignore appropriate ages and cast one of TK's former co-stars, I'd have rather they went with Alicia Minshew. It would still look ridiculous to see her mothering Steffy, but AM and TK had insane chemistry. I never saw a lick of chemistry between RB and TK. Steffy can't even just have sexy times with her husband without bringing up Sheila and Hope? And if the show is really going to do anything with Hope and Finn, they need to start showing a little more on his side. Have him momentarily picture Hope's face when they're kissing, right after Steffy brought up "and Hope got in your ear," so he can wave it off as Steffy just putting Hope in his head, but we'd still be seeing some movement there. Also, when the two of them were going on about how they had the whole night to themselves, and nobody would be barging in, I was fully expecting Liam to come barging right in. If Ridge gives even one second glance Taylor's way, I hope that Brooke just wishes the two of them well and walks away. On the plus side, we didn't have to watch Katie wandering around town talking about Poppy to everyone she encounters today. I swear, she probably can't even grocery shop without talking the cashier's ear off about Poppy.

Yep. She could have made some arrangements for him to still design for the line while overseas, since him designing HFTF is supposedly some phenomenal success for the company. Instead, she just shoved him out the door and delighted in the prospect of tanking Hope's relationship and her line. Another reason she's a shitty CEO. She makes (and tries to make) decisions that are bad for the company based on her personal childish Forresters vs. Logans bullshit.

This is such a bizarre casting choice. And that phone call was so awkward. From the "Dr. Taylor Hayes (Mom)" caller ID to them repeatedly mentioning that they're mother and daughter. And Taylor is stalking Ridge and Brooke? Has she ever considered getting some therapy for herself? Steffy is a shitty CEO, because she can't be happy for the company's success if it involves a Logan.