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I can see that too. She was crushed by the one man who was suppose to protect her so thinking every man will crush her sooner or later is believable.

I wish the timeline was clearer. Kevin didn't make his decision the same day as the kids convo but I couldn't tell if he made it the next day or not. I hate the idea that in the same episode Zoe almost painstakingly says she doesn't want to be a sucker, that is what she is, albeit unknowingly. If Kevin is not committed to her and is only with Zoe because Sophie isn't available and he doesn't want to be alone, Zoe is being used in the worst kind of way, especially given she loves him and is willing to walk through his issues with him. If this is the writers' intent, I wish they hadn't wasted Zoe's time (and mine LOL).

I hollered when Kate acknowledged the funk! I know she felt a billion times better after that shower. I did tear up when Kate handed the baby to Toby and said "Jack, this is your dad"

I thought they downplayed her beauty when she told Kevin she was abused by her father. She is a beauty and that skin!!

So why am I listening to Howl over and over again.

She did and the wife gave her a charger.

I think most of us here agree with this. But from Sophie's pov, it seems Kevin getting everything he wants is all or mostly what she's seen. When she said that I thought, sure the superficial things but we the viewers know better.

The Pool is one of my favs so I'll rewatch if I must LOL

I saw it a little differently. I thought Zoe was afraid Kevin would chose kids, not that she wanted him to make that choice so she could walk. I absolutely loved Zoe's directness. She loves him but does not want kids. She is all in with him if he doesn't need kids to complete him. If he does, she does not want to waste her time or his. At this point, I can't reconcile this Zoe with a Zoe who was secretly hoping Kevin would give her an excuse to walk. What I can reconcile is this Zoe with a Zoe who would be just as direct if what she wanted was an end to her relationship with Kevin. I don't see why she's willing to waste her time and his if she wants out.

I love that dynamic. Zoe sees the charm, likes the charm but isn't snake charmed by Kevin. I hope they make it too and hope the foundation they appear to be building will sustain them if the subject of kids ever comes up again.

Good point. Now that I have calmed down, I hope they balance it a little more. I'm still rooting for The Big 3, flaws and all.

Wasn't it revealed that kid Sophie only became "friends" with kid Kate to get close to kid Kevin? I think she was also in that group at the pool who didn't want to play with Kate anymore because she was fat. If my memory is spot on, I could see no mention of Kate to Sophie since they really weren't friends, let alone good friends.

That's how I saw it too. Kevin rarely if ever had to chose between 2 things he really wanted, because as she said, Kevin always got everything what he wanted. He's telling her he wants kids and he wants Zoe but this time he has to chose because he can't have both, which is how it typically has worked out for him.

Kevin actually said the thought of kids made him sick and I'm glad they addressed that with Zoe's comment about his attitude when Kate was trying to get pregnant and why she thought they were on the same page. Kevin has changed his tune from back then to now.

I thought it was interesting to see kid Sophie being charmed by kid Kevin into doing something she didn't want to do. It reminds me of season 1 when he met her at "their" place and charmed her into seeing him again (and I think she was seeing someone else at the time). Compare that to Zoe. She straight up said Kevin is charming and makes her want to smile at him too yet she chose to be direct about having kids and isn't moving off of that even for charming Kevin. This is This Is Us though so I wouldn't be surprised to see Zoe and Kevin mirroring Rebecca and Jack, who had the same conversation. IF they go there, I hope Zoe has a change of heart that's independent of Kevin, that she doesn't change her mind for him but for herself. I too thought it was sweet of Kevin to send the Billy Joel tickets. He's actually listening to others and in this case he chose to do something nice for a guy he never met because he wanted to do something nice for his childhood sweetheart.

You mean bored housewives, BORED housewives. Screw Randall. Give me kid Randal, teen Randal and teen Beth.

Yeah I wasn’t sure if he put off college for any length of time but he did put off leaving for college as in moving away from home/Pittsburg because of Rebecca and I don’t think she should have allowed that if she did. Though I think she was perfectly fine with Randall staying home/near and giving up going away for college given she said Kate and Kevin abandoned her and Randall didn’t.

It has always irritated me that Randall "had" to man up instead of Rebecca woman-ing up. I get being there for family but Randal, Kate and Kevin are the children and Rebecca is the adult. I thought it was selfish of Rebecca (but I give her credit for being honest) when she cried that they left her when their father died. Their reason for leaving aside (and we now know Kevin follow Sophie to NY), they were stepping into new chapters in their lives and they shouldn't have had to stay with mom because dad died. YaY for Randall that he put off leaving for college to stay home but I at least hope Rebecca encouraged him to go live his life and didn't just accept that he was giving up going away to school so he could stay behind and take care of her (though clearly he went to college, and I assume it was on time, but I didn't catch where he and Beth first crossed paths). Seems most everyone is giving Miguel props but what stood out to me was him telling Madison he was willing to stand since the Pearsons weren't willing to give him a seat at the table. For the first time I felt sorry for Miguel. What is so great about his best friend's family that he's willing to take the crumbs they give him? I wanted to bust a cap in Kevin's behind for the way he treated Madison. I hate that she felt excluded instead of saying screw these a-holes. I'll wait elsewhere and simply text Toby. Another irritant, This Is Us referring to Jack as the newest Pearson. This child is DAMON, not Pearson. Yes I'm irritated LOL

I agree. The problem for me is this is Randall. I think he’s doing it for himself much more than for the people.

Non-lethal? You’re nicer than me. The same thing happened where I live. The difference was the guy, high on Molly tried breaking into several home on one street and ended up trying to break into the home of a retired LEO. This fool wasn’t as lucky as that fool on JJ.

One reason I am not yet convinced they are divorced is because Randall has on his wedding ring.

Just saw a tweet from Dan Fogelman. No show for two weeks.

I wondered the same thing.

Yes Jack specifically told Rebecca he had a brother, he died in the war. It was in the season premiere when they were at the fair.