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I'm pretty sure in the interview where AK mentioned it he said that Felicity says the line.

Well, Laurel telling Oliver she doesn't want to be a woman he loves wouldn't be such a good Lauriver scene, haha.

That would be funny, because that was the initial spec (it was mine, at least) when that line was spoiled before we thought Felicity might say it.

I'm not super invested in The Flash, but I wouldn't mind Ray over there, either. It's the way he's been written as a love interest that bothers me. I actually wouldn't mind him on Arrow so much if they weren't trying to make him one side of a triangle. If he was just a lighthearted, smug douchebag with more helicopter-esque banter, I could deal. It would remove the main issue I have with him, which is his problematic behavior toward Felicity. Then there's just that pesky issue of me not caring about him in the slightest. Alas...

I wasn't trying to argue with you, just addressing your comment about the sex since what I had read (which I now know was wrong) implied it was a woman, jeez.

I don't doubt you about the villain, all I'm saying is they described it as being a woman, unless he is beautiful and wears red lipstick.

The description of the villain that was released for that episode implies that it's a woman ("bee-u-tiful tech wizard with big glasses and red lipstick"), not a man.

Did we find out who Felicity's nemesis actually is though? How do we know that's not her (since we never got a name or saw her face)? Did we find out who Felicity's nemesis actually is though? How do we know that's not her (since we never got a name or saw her face)?

Yeah, this arc would be much more interesting if Ray was just some genius CEO who could take her out to dinner where the restaurant wouldn't blow up, where she'd be choosing between two different kinds of lives. And also if Ray's pursual of her wasn't problematic as hell, but whatever, show!

It is. Maybe that's why she might seem a bit mortified that she said it out loud? AK said that Felicity's dilemma the back half of the season will be whether she should be with Oliver or Ray (must be nice to not have more pressing, non-love interest dilemmas, amirite?!), so maybe she isn't ever fully committed to Ray in an actual relationship, but just kind of dates him a bit?

Maybe. It's just weird that her mom would already be in SC. Maybe the villain in that week's Flash ep IS Felicity's nemesis from the comics? But then, she'd kind of have to also show up in SC for a bit for an attack on MS to make sense, but I guess it doesn't necessarily have to make sense, haha. But then if the Flash villain crosses over onto Arrow, then why would MS be in SC while Felicity's in CC, assuming that one ep leads right into the other.

Didn't MG post on his Tumblr that someone jokes about hospital sex? If that's the case, I'd guess that Felicity's hurt and drugged up, or that Mama Smoak is drugged up and jokes about that with Felicity. If there's joking like that, then it can't be TOO bad (or at least must end on a slightly positive note). And didn't MG or someone say that MS notices a connection between Felicity and Oliver? I can't remember if that's from TSOoFS or if it was a comment on MG's Tumblr. Maybe MS comes toward the end of the ep?I can't remember MG's comment about the interactions-Didn't the person asking mention wanting to see Mama Smoak around Thea? Is it possible that MG misread the question, and MS won't be interacting with people she hasn't previously interacted with? I get the feeling his response shut down ALL interactions, but I cant remember.

I think if that was the case, she'd say "I woudn't want to be a woman you love," but the line is terrible anyway, so who knows? I get the feeling from MG's Tumblr though that idiotic line is part of the "heartbreaking" scene that's going to make home want to get off of Twitter for a while. I'll hope for your version though, JenMD!

I like Iris, but she needs to be in on the secret soon. As for shipping, I like the idea of Barry/Caitlin, but I thought most of their interactions tonight (Drunk!Caitlin, and the weird thing with her telling Barry he deserved a peek when he heled her get undressed/dressed) was forced ship bait. I do enjoy them more when it's not so in your face. I also like Barry and Iris, but I don't find myself fervently shipping anyone on the show. I just want Barrles to be happy. He's the cutest.

So, with that tease we have of Felicity saying there isn't any plane of existence in which Oliver would agree to "this," we can safely say that Oliver's going to agree to "this," yes? What are the chances that we get an "I don't even know who you are anymore!" from Felicity? Her being the moral center and all, she's got to call Oliver out on his shenanigans, I think.

It could be for Ra's. I mean, we know it exists, he alluded to as much in 3x09. And their LP set could be that thing we saw him get out of when Nyssa went to him in The Magician.

I can't remember who said it, but yeah, there's a Lazarus Pit set.

Lil Tommy is so cute.

The leader discussion could come at the end of the episode-Digg's and Oliver's voices were kind of quiet, so I don't think it's a conversation they have in the midst of battle. And I also don't think success has anything to do with it-no, they weren't able to defeat Brick without Oliver. They do need him, but they've also now got their own reasons for being involved that don't just center around Oliver. Seems like that's what Digg's asking-if he can deal with that.

I could see it being a situation where she sticks around because he and the team do need her, and she's just established that she cam back while Oliver was gone because it's her city too and she wants to keep it safe. But if Oliver's going to go off making stupid alliances, maybe it's be better to separate herself from him personally/romantically?I think Diggle's promo line might have something to do with Oliver being able to accept that things aren't going to run the way they used to now that they've decided this is their mission, not just his.

Could be. I'm prepared for it to be ridiculous, but I really don't think it will be. I'm feeling confident about that now. I probably won't be tomorrow, haha.

They connect for me. She could very well be worried about Malcolm engineering circumstances again and Oliver really winding up dead that time. After knowing what it feels like to lose him, showing that kind of reckless behavior might make her say, okay, enough. I need to shut this down because I can't go through that again, especially if Oliver's intent on making dumbass decisions with his life and well-being.

I guess maybe Ray takes over the safekeeping of Starling while Oliver goes off to Nanda Parbat?

Well, she'd be pissed that he teamed up with a guy who engineered the circumstances under which he died, so...IMO, it's understandable. And I think she'd be (temporarily) done with ever considering a relationship with him, not done working with him. Weren't there pics of her in the Foundry in 3x14?

I just can't see him shrinking. Do they have the effects budget for that? What would actually be the point of someone like that on this show (I know, I know)?