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The only time I found his behavior even slightly veering into stalker territory was that scene. Still, if Drew was thinking that it wouldn't have been at odds with how their relationship has played out. I don't think Drew thinks he's innocent - and I don't think he's surprised by Michael's part in this - but I do think he has a right to be upset at how Curtis handled all of this. I don't see Drew as a stalker at all. It's brought up constantly that Drew loves how she hero worships him (and that is true) but their attraction seemed to build on a mutual admiration society. It wasn't just Willow hero worshipping and blowing smoke up his butt, Drew did the same to her. When Willow quit her job working with him and asked him to stay away, he did. She was the one who insisted on being with him after he was sad about McConkey's death. She was the one who found him and kissed him the night they had sex. I'm not sure how Willow voluntarily inviting Drew over for Christmas is some example of him being a stalker. Carly only hit the nail on the head because she can't possibly grasp putting someone first in a relationship unless their name is Jason, so of course she sees it as something weird and wrong. It's not some character flaw that Drew wants to be with someone who puts him first. The issue, of course, is that the person he's found willing to do that is not only married, but married to his nephew. I also disagree about CM's acting. I do think Drew genuinely has feelings for Willow.

I hope you're wrong about this, but I'm afraid you could be right. I've been feeling the heavy-handed nature of his writing since they upped the ante and had him "turning on" his friends, too. The writing is starting to become very Jagger-esque. And maybe that (and writer incompetence) is why they've completely ignored the murdered Jagger plotline because they're going to do that storyline with Drew.

I highly doubt this, but part of me is wondering if this could be Michael's exit storyline. This stock manipulation is discovered and he ends up going to prison. And Michael being the wonderful guy that he is takes all the blame and Curtis avoids prison time. It would be a temporary thing - like Nikolas in prison right now - until the show decides to recast. I know a lot of people here hate Drew, but I don't. I've said it before, but I hate when the show pulls this kind of "back up the truck" writing. More often than not it makes me go in the opposite direction of what the writers are trying to force. Like someone else said this week, I think CM is doing well with the material and I think he works well in the grey area - even though the writing is writing him more like he's more evil than Cyrus. No question a lot of what Drew has done is sleazy and wrong, but I find so many of the reactions from the other characters so over-the-top and/or hypocritical. Like this tendency from most of the characters (some of whom have no idea what is even going on) acting as if Drew tied Willow up in chains and she was forced into his bed. Drew was actually minding his own business when Willow went up to the playroom and basically launched herself at him. Tracy and Ned's hatred of him seems disproportionate, especially with them being Team Michael. I know they've known Michael for longer, but Ned's issues with Drew are the same ones he's had with Michael and Tracy has never had any use for Michael. Drew certainly backstabbed his friend Curtis and was too much of a coward to just tell him the truth, but I find Curtis the bigger jerk here. What Drew did was attempt to screw him over in business. It wasn't personal. That Curtis is willing to end the friendship without even trying to work it out tells me the friendship wasn't that "dear" to him. And when you have characters like Sonny and Ric - Sonny and Ric - acting like Drew is the sleaziest of the sleazy, I have to call complete and total bullshit. I know Sonny is a gigantic hypocrite, so I'm not surprised that the thug who shot his son in the chest would call someone else a snake. Still, his scene with Carly today was odd to me. When did Sonny start hating Drew and when did he warn Carly against him? I know Brennan had a scene like that with Carly. And what exactly did Drew put Carly through? He went to prison for her, not the other way around. I mostly like Ric but he can have all the seats when it comes to judging anyone. Yes, Drew slept with his his nephew's wife but call me when he kidnaps his brother's pregnant wife and locks her in a panic room then contemplates smothering his wife after she discovers said pregnant hostage. My biggest fuck you though goes to the writers for wasting the potential that was Drew/Nina. That look they shared over Willow's shoulder at the end had more heat and chemistry than anything Willow and Drew have shared.

Ye Thank you. Will fix that.

I never said you said she was a goddess, but I’ve seen plenty of people who said the same thing you did - “how could he cheat on her of all people” - who do think that. Your post, to me, made it sound like if Jay-Z would cheat on Beyoncé of all people that somehow made it more plausible he would commit assault. My point was Beyoncé is just like any other woman and it’s not unheard of that she could be cheated on. Millions may want to sleep with her but they don’t live with her. None of us know the ins and outs of that marriage and what led to their problems. Like I said before, cheating is not necessarily an indicator of someone’s likelihood of committing assault.

But George S wasn’t basing his statement on what the jury found. He said clearly that it was based on the judge saying that 45 committed rape. Judge dismisses 45 defamation suit Most of the lawyers I’ve seen on BlueSky say it’s completely stupid that ABC capitulated like this. They could have won the case. And, at least, they could have let 45 get deposed since that was scheduled for this week or next week.

Well according to others here maybe she didn’t look 13. We don’t know that he even met this girl, let alone assaulted her. Hell, at this point, who knows if she was even there since she claimed she was talking to the lead singer from Good Charlotte who confirms he wasn’t even there.

I know a lot of people think Beyoncé is this perfect goddess, but she’s a normal human with faults. It doesn’t mean she deserves to be cheated on, but it’s not unthinkable it could happen to her. Pretty women get cheated on all the time. Being a cheater doesn’t equal being a rapist.

I fast-forwarded through those scenes mostly, but was Trina giving off the vibe she was pretending to know nothing or genuinely knew nothing? Because there are plenty of people who know next to nothing about football. I'm one of them. I read a book when I was a kid about a girl teaching her best friend about football, and I learned some things but have completely forgotten over the years. I could guess what a defensive end is, but a linebacker? No clue. I know the term, and that's it. Taggert may not have been a football fan. No, Sasha and Michael had sex first. Willow and Drew kissed twice. Michael found out about the first kiss and immediately went out to get drunk and had sex with Sasha. The playroom sex happened weeks(?) later.

I think many people in town know about Ned and Katherine Bell. I'm sure it's easy to find information like that online. And I think that was Drew's point: "Don't throw stones." Tracy & Ned acted like what he did was morally reprehensible to them when they have done equally, or way worse, things. And Tracy can shut it by acting like Alan was above that type of behavior. He may not have slept with his nephew's wife, but he did drop a house on her (and her lover) and physically assaulted her a couple of times. I also don't get Tracy's rationale of "Well, you had sex with her in this house, so that makes it our business." How does that work? I liked the look on Willow's face when confronted by Carly at the end. I don't think she will cower to Carly. I hope their faux mother-daughter relationship is over. Willow is those kids' mother, and she doesn't have to answer to Carly about what she does with them, especially not on Quartermaine property. Carly should be all about the mother's rights, given how strongly she tried to keep AJ from his child. But, yeah, Sasha and Michael can have several seats. From the preview, it looks like Carly's too busy fighting her son's battles for him to answer Joss's calls, so she gets Jason to help her mourn.

Who's saying you can't do that? I was responding to you saying that Jay-Z can't possibly be innocent because of how "exceedingly rare" false accusations are, and your seeming to act as if being falsely accused isn't a big deal. 100%. THIS. There's no nuance in the discussion. You either have people refusing to listen and name-calling the accuser or the other side drawing and quartering the accused the minute an accusation comes out. And if someone says, "Maybe we should wait to hear all the facts," people accuse those people of being rape apologists. We don't know what his security team will say if this ever gets to the deposition stage. I'm not sure it would matter to the people bound and determined to believe he's guilty. They'd say they're covering for their boss out of loyalty or because they're being paid to. She hasn't said anything, but she and her family, including Jay-Z, attended the Mufasa premiere the next day. So, publicly, she supports him. I wasn't even looking for this, but it appeared in the daily alert I get from People magazine. https://people.com/stripper-admits-lied-duke-lacrosse-rape-accusations-8760988?hid=0633e9d4abc2e711c9e050a830c53a751fcddc66&did=15785176-20241213&utm_source=ppl&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ppl-news_newsletter&utm_content=121324&lctg=0633e9d4abc2e711c9e050a830c53a751fcddc66&lr_input=306e6dc24a3e35bb60d79b7878e4745b481dda5f3f43a6156315a8a8cb93eee1&utm_term=midday

I’m aware of the studies and of that documentary. I don’t take one documentary as gospel proof of anything. I’m sure false recantations happen, just like false accusations do as well. As far as the research, it always seems murky to me because is it just based on the public recantations? And sometimes there’s a difference between a flat out false report and an accusation that can’t be proven either way. But based on the studies I’ve seen false accusations make up about 2-10% of reported assault cases. In 2023, there were about 127,000 reported assaults. 2% of 127,000 is 2500. I’m going to guess that those men - and their families - aren’t shrugging their shoulders and acting like it’s no big deal because false accusations are “exceedingly rare.” Literally not based on reality? Tell that to Conor Oberst. Or Brian Banks. I had this happen to a family member of mine. So, yes, it is literally based in reality. It blows my mind that this is considered a controversial take. No one is saying don’t feel bad for assault victims. It’s a horrific crime. But false accusations do happen. I don’t care how rare you think they are. To act like being accused falsely of something like that isn’t damaging and psychologically hard to come back from is not the case. I’m not saying Jay-Z’s accuser is lying. But I’m allowed to have questions about her story and not be guilted for it. I’d much rather keep an open mind than act like I have all the information needed and label someone a pedophile rapist based on very little.

How exceedingly rare false accusations are? Unless the number is 0 - which is not even close to what it is - then, no, it’s not safe to assume that the story is true. And yes, when someone accuses someone of a heinous crime their story should be questioned, not blindly believed. To get to the truth of the matter ALL parties actions need to be scrutinized.

That’s the point - IF an assault happened. Is it plausible a 13 year old - for a myriad of reasons - was just roaming the streets, sure. But, I find it suspect along with many aspects of this story.

It’s relevant to having questions to the possible validity of the story.