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Late watching this. I mostly enjoyed it. It was intriguing in the beginning, a little slow in the middle, and then so tense, I almost couldn't wait for it to end. I'd like to think that Abandoned Ryan is in the same world as Amanda. Felt so sorry for Mechanic Ryan as well. Also hope Blair found her ideal place and wonder where Rich Leighton decided to stay when he ran out of ampoules. I do have the same questions others have mentioned re: all the "leftover" Jasons and other multiples. And I kept wondering why no one ran into each other in the corridor - although since it's infinite, maybe the transition from the box isn't to the same spot. I felt OK with Jason 2's turnaround. He was so single-minded, always, in choosing career over a family, and what he wanted when he regretted that choice, that he never thought of consequences. So when he did learn about all the damage he caused, well, he does have some of Jason Prime in him, so he's not totally without feeling. He just was far too late in caring and had to have it beaten into him. (Still would like to know how he was so precise with finding his original world and his stolen one multiple times... how many trips did he make to achieve that finesse?) I did like a couple of nods to It's a Wonderful Life that I noticed (and probably missed some): When Jason Prime finally gets back to his world and is running down the street - it's not snowing like in the movie - but he goes into the bar and asks the bartender (was his name Nick, here?) if he knows him. (Which also fits sideways with the world where the bartender doesn't know him, like when George is erased.) Also, "It's a Wonderful Life" was on the movie marquee as Jason ran down the street. And then, at one point he comes downstairs in his house and the whatever-it's-called - bannister topper thing - comes off in his hand, like it does for George Bailey, which angers him at first and then delights him when he gets back to his life. Anyway - I know it kind of left a couple openings for additional story, but I hope they don't do it. It seems like it could easily get too far out of control with multiples and mix ups and all that. The openings make sense in themselves due to the nature of that world/those worlds and the people being the basically the same in all of them, but I don't need to see it.

He was suspended (replies to the tweet mention a bit more):

It's been a while since I read the book this season covers, but it feels like this one deviated the most from the original text. I'll need to watch again to get a better feel for it overall. I understand the practicalities of adapting a book, but the first two seasons were quite close to theirs. Last season had some wide deviations, too. Re: Marcus and the horse race: I thought he said that he got the gun and that the house was covered, which I took to mean that his wife wasn't going to have to be confronted with foreclosure. He was a good agent, except for the addiction. Re: Hugo Weaving: I like him, he's been great in various movies, but his American accent was not good, which was unfortunately distracting. This season also felt like it had the least Lamb, which is not a good thing. Again - can't remember the book, if that's how it was or not. Just missed seeing Gary Oldman more.

I didn't care for it either - they don't use doctor or military ranks or other titles, so why this? Also, Ken made several personal comments to him with his answers, as if he (Ken) was nervous or trying to make a good impression or something. Ken occasionally makes comments with others, but this was noticeable and felt uncomfortable. Oh well, the priest didn't win, so it won't be an ongoing thing.

This - and also Darros, for Xander. The technology didn't exist when they were young, so I don't understand how that happens if they need an age-related scan vs. some kind of aging control of the printouts.

Thanks for laying out all of that. I didn't recall a lot of the details re: scans or even Eleanor's leave of absence, which does make it all more possible, but the timeline still seems tight. And Lucas - has been away at college? If it only took 3 months or so for all this to happen, then maybe that's possible, but it still seems shaky to me. Repeat viewings needed for me to recall all the bits and pieces, which I may do at some point, likely when it's done and I can see it all together.

This really confused me. I thought it was generally known that Eleanor had died. Also, what's the timing? Kira didn't agree to print a full person until after Eleanor died, yes? That had to have taken time to perfect. So, how was Eleanor's death not known? Even if she travels, that's not just a week or two or even a month or two to go from individual organs to creating both Lucy and Eleanor-2.0, presumably very close to each other time-wise. Plus, Lucy didn't have any memory, but Eleanor-2.0 does? So there must have been some modifications to the process... when did that happen? Kira was adamant about not printing any more, yet there have been improvements since Lucy? The timing is not at all clear to me. Which leads to... More confusion here, for me, with how the process works and the timing of it all. There was a brief glimpse on a screen of "Eleanor Age 56", which I guess was her age when she died, and yet Lucy was printed younger - how? - and with a different name, so, while Kira printed her because of her sense of loss, Lucy wasn't meant to be her replacement wife. Which - wouldn't that be more painful? Anyway - so is there an aging factor in the printing process? The print starts as a fetus and grows, and they stop it where they want, hence Jules and Lucy? I'm obviously missing something here. I appreciate that they kind of slipped in that Kira printed another older version of Eleanor despite Kira's supposed objections to continuing, but I wish they'd offered more information. Even if Lucy was for the corporate project and older Eleanor was for Kira herself, the timing is still screwy. Separate note -- Darros is deluding himself, thinking that he will live forever by printing a younger version of himself. He will still die, and it will be a different person living on. Plus, he must know that Lucy didn't have memories and obviously that Jules doesn't, so presumably Xander doesn't either.

I'm always surprised by the coldness of some characters, and there are certainly many here. The psychiatrist and the mom especially bother me, not because they're women but because they feign being nurturing. If you're evil you're evil, but to feign caring and love and yet actually be that cold - just really bothers me. In this case, maybe they don't see the printouts as humans, but how does that line not become blurred in those roles if they're not absolute monsters? Maybe that's the answer right there - they are monsters. The men are more removed and detached, so lack of connection doesn't feel as worrisome. Well, Jules' foster father is closer, but he hasn't exactly been nurturing. I'm hoping this comes up in the next ep since Kira said she'd tell Jules all.

I sometimes get similar errors when the address comes up as http: rather than https: (which doesn't always show anymore) because my system always looks for the secure connection. Some browsers will give you an option of continuing anyway but not all will. You can try manually adding the https://www. at the beginning of the address line to see if that works. This has happened to me on sites despite using a recalled link successfully for some time. I have no idea why it suddenly changes (likely something on the site's end - changing a security certificate or something), but I have remedied it by adding the https: and then using that recalled link from then on.

I'm enjoying the show and the way they're handling things so far. Agree with all that @DoctorAtomic said. Some incredibly creepy scenes (how can people be that cold and detached?!) but love that Jules is so strong, even though she must be beyond freaked out. Charlie is a great character, and it feels like they're being truthful about her emotional state. She obviously needs counseling... maybe she could go to Lucy's friend.

So sad we won't get to see it. No doubt it would have been great.

That sounds possible - especially with the call to Cosima at the end. It sounded like Lucy was Kira's creation so, how it went from organs to full person is a major point. --I'm sure I missed details and will watch again - and it's only the pilot episode - but I hope they aren't going to be too stingy with answers. (Also, if it's only been a couple of years since Lucy's creation, why is there a younger model who looks to be teenaged? (TB explained)) Reed Diamond's position about his friend (employee?) getting killed - he verbally ran right over Kira when she mentioned Lucy being attacked, and the guy tried to kill Lucy, so, I'm not really sympathetic. That hardline won't-listen-don't-care-about-your-side portrayal wins zero points with me.

I'm intrigued with the different angle, but I agree with the above. Also, would Kira really work with anything/anyone corporate? I really like Krysten Ritter and Keeley Hawes; I'll keep watching.

never mind

If it happens again, maybe check your listings to see if it's shown at another time. My local station has pre-empted episodes many times recently as well, but they generally show it later the same evening. It's occasionally cut a bit because of sports timing or whatever, but I've mostly still been able to watch the episodes. (I record them, so the DVR finds them whenever they're on.)