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Honestly I think Holly Taylor has grown into the roll. She might have been a little weak season 1 but season 4 she really came into her own. But I guess to each is own. I am more then willing to give her the benefit of the doubt.

Ok I am finished with Season 1 and I am really disappointed there isn't a season 1 board. Even if it is a general discussion so I will put my thoughts here since most of them involve Martha anyway. Honestly I think season 1 could be called "Little Acts of Treason" I mean hell which character didn't commit a little act of treason in season 1? Stan nearly committed Treason to save Nina. Nina committed treason to save her own buttiniski. You could say Philip committed treason against his marriage when he slept with his old flame in New York. Elizabeth committed treason when she fell in love with her husband. And then there is poor poor Martha who committed so many little acts of treason all for the love of a man who she didn't know was using her. Stealing files, planting bug, hell even marrying him was treason. Its been a long while since I watched the first season and I have no idea what my opinion of Martha was way back then. I know she annoyed alot of people. Hell she probably annoyed me too. Who knew? Right? Right? On to season 2.

Ok I really like Dark Betty. The one nice thing you can say about Alice is she can take a punch. I enjoyed this episode because Betty and Veronica were off rampaging together and Archie was off by himself doing....uhhh something. Still don't care a lick about Archie. We need more Dark possibly crazy Betty because she may be my favorite part of this show.

Is it March yet? I want to this show to be back so bad. Even a Martha-less season which this is probably going to be. It still looks amazing. The walls look like they are closing in around the Jennings and fast.

The whole Healy/Pennsatucky thing was two lonely people trying to find something. The finale (and the episode before) had Tucky making a friend she would never have talked to before (Big Boo). Healy's wife had mentioned that Healy has no friends so Tucky was really his only friend so when she failed to come to his safe place meeting he reacted the way he did before. Healy is a sad man who really has no one in his life. Tucky like Red was a story about falling from grace and what you find when you brush yourself off and stand up again.

Vee is a Narcissist and a Psychopath. Her reasoning is far more complicated then just scratching an itch. TJ was pulling away from her; striking out on his own and and seducing him got his defenses down so that she could kill him. That at least is part of it. There is also ego involved and a whole lot of other things that take way to long to write and i am lazy.

She has like 3 weeks to live and I think she has spent the majority of her life in prison. I don't think she exactly cares how she goes out as long as she goes out OUTSIDE of Litchfield. That is what she told Morello that she didn't mind dying. It was dying in prison that bothered her.

The exact opposite for me. This season has made Suzanne fascinating. I loved her before but it was the same way you would love a puppy, "Oh its so cute." But now there is some edge to her and I really want to know what she did to land in prison. Suzanne strikes me as a privildged woman who fell though the cracks because no one diagnosed her special needs (whether it was mental illness or emotional needs) until it was too late. Kate Mulgrew has said that these women have slipped on a banana peel and some are paying with their lives and Suzanne strikes me as someone like that. A tiny mistake snowballed into felony or she more likely what was once cute as a puppy suddenly was not so cute once her parents realized puppies grow up to be big dogs.

As Nicky told Piper: "Nobody likes to do extra work" Morello was safe and sound in Federal prison. The cops didn't want to waste taxpayer dollars and their own time on what CLEARLY was a man with an ax to grind. So Christopher went to the prison and confronted Morello which I thought was a great scene because it finally got her to open her eyes. "He isn't the man I thought he was. He's so mean" Hey whatever works...work it.

Its a big cast. There was no way every character was going to get the same amount of screen time. I think the follow through for season 2 was fine. Actually there was very little about season 2 I would change. Maybe a few little nitpicks here and there but I honestly thought the season was near perfect. Yes there were a few characters, like Sophia I would have used more but there was a story that the writers wanted to tell and there was no believable way to incorporate her into the tribe war storyline. I can see her being a bigger part of season 3 now that her issues with her son have at least begun to be dealt with. What made season 2 so fascinating though was in fact the minor characters got storylines some big some small. I enjoyed the Miss Rosa plot which turned into a major plot as well as a background story involving the hispanic girl who gave birth last season and the her boyfriend who didn't talk until the last episode. I thought that was clever. I liked Soso and I loved to hate Vee. So yeah I really enjoyed season 2.

The problem with Season 2s (And I have seen this with alot of other shows; very popular shows (Orphan Black, House of Cards, The Americans Etc) people expect the exact same show they had in season 1 and when it changes even ever so slightly or it is not exactly as they remember it they revolt. No show can remain static forever. New characters need to be brought in, friendships need to be tested, relationships need to begin and end. It is the nature of television. I like what Jenji Kohan said about the show and that Piper is a trojan horse brought in because she is a white girl who sleeps with other girls but she who is just a window to a larger world. This show can theoretically go on years without her. The only thing is we need to be able to allow Piper and the show to grow.

All answers lead back to Fig being both cheap and a crook herself. Plus it is min security and I am guessing most of the inmates are nonviolent offenders so someone who has shown trustworthiness could get a plum assignment like that. (Although technically there should be two guards or at least have one of them check on her from time to time. but that is more on the guards being lazy or incompantent,) Stalking isn't a federal offense but Christopher's testimony probably convinced the judge/jury whatever not to go easy on her. Morello is the type to get a slap on the wrist otherwise. You know shit credit rating, a hella community service, maybe even some fines but if it wasn't for the stalking she probably wouldn't have gotten actual time for it. She is a white girl who is nice and charming despite her lack of education. It is the stalking that got her time (even though the crime she went away for was mail fraud) and more then a few years. The episode she told Miss Rosa she had more then 2 years.

But what's his face was a high level drug guy and Alex made her money as an importer. I don't think either one of them are exactly friendless outside the US. Alex disappearing from the cops is one thing. Disappearing from an angry drug lord who really wants her dead is another. But I agree prison won't make Alex safer unless he doesn't want her dead just unable to testify or whatever. Either way he stays out of prison himself/

I think the major draw of season 1 was the Piper and Alex romance so much so I was one of the crowd waving pitch forks when I heard Laura Prepon wasn't going to be on Season 2. However half way though season 2 I realized how little I missed her. I think Season 2 is far better because it is where it stopped being the Piper Chapman show and became a full on ensemble. Piper is still the center of the universe (As Larry called her "The Sun") and the show still revolves around her but she is no longer the only reason I watch...or even the major reason I watch.

When Nicky found out about Christopher and that Morello went on her little adventure she chastised Morello and said that if she got caught her time would have been tripled. It is also a good bet she would have been sent to max. So not really worth unless something major changes like half the prison wants you dead. Oh I disagree. Sometimes evil makes a fascinating character. Not every character needs a sad backstory. That actually gets boring after awhile. Some people just do things because they can. It is true to life so why not true to television as well? Plus it adds an air of danger to the the show. Red could be reasoned with. So could the head of the Spanish crew (whose name escapes me) because both of these women cared about the people they looked after and had understandable wants and needs but not Vee. Vee could not be reasoned with which is what made her so dangerous and so fascinating. I think giving her a sad back story would have actually ruined it. Sometimes there is no reason why.

SoSo: You tried to sell me for a blanket? Piper: Well when you put it that way... SoSo: You are sick, you know that? You are seriously fucked up. Big Boo: You know she's right Chapman. You are a horrible person.

Re: Vee I think Poussey explained her best. She was a child molester without the sex. She got off on power and on the outside she had no real power. She was a low lever connect who was getting on in age. At one point she probably got on with her looks and some intellect but that only works for so long. On the inside she had power and could manipulate minds like Tastey who she has been manipulating for years and Susanne who was just looking for someone to love her. Once she had those two everyone else just fell in line. However once she lost her hold on power it was only a matter of time before someone came after her hard. I actually found her storyline fascinating and horrifying. But that is what made it so brilliant. You put her in the middle of best friends like Poussey and Tastey and then turn them against each other. Give Susanne who has been an outsider all her life a place at the right hand of the mother and then turn her into a thug. You give people who have never had power in their lives power and they will be yours ....until they see the cost.

With Black Cindy I think that is kind of the point. She had a good life. A good job. Working for the TSA is a pretty good job that pays pretty well but instead of working her way up she became the worst TSA agent ever. I think Vee was spot on when she said Cindy had given up on life and kept taking the easy path. I am not sure if that makes her unsympathetic or if it just makes her story sad.

As and Piper/Alex shipper I was surprised at how much I didn't miss Alex. Maybe because I enjoyed the friendship between Piper and Nicky and the snide comments about their relationship she made that was oh so true (Spy vs Spy but sexual etc) Yes the show could survive without Piper or Alex but I am hoping it won't do that for at least another season or two because I like Piper and I think she makes a good protagonist. The show does need someone to circle around and a center of gravity and Piper is the sun after all. You will burn if you get to close but that is half the fun.

Wow just wow That was wonderful. I love Rosa escaping and Vee getting run over. Susanne crying was heartbreaking. She was the only one to remain loyal to Vee to the bitter bitter end because she had no one else. Vee gave her a purpose and a sense of self worth that she never had before that is a hard thing to break. All her other followers had figured out what a user Vee was. Not sure how I feel about the Larry/Polly plot. Not sure I really care except for how it affects Piper. Larry had a point about Piper cheating on him with Alex but Piper had a bigger point about Larry moving on with her best friend....her married best friend...her married best friend with an infant baby. Not cool Larry. Don't care about the Daya/John stuff. That storyline does nothing for me at all. Wouldn't care if it went away for good. Anything else of note? Oh yeah Caputo is large and in charge. Should I feel sorry for Fig?....nah. Hey.....didn't expect to like Healy after last season but somewhere along the way I kinda started to...weird huh?

Big Boo and Pennsatucky talking about the gay agenda. I have been waiting my whole life for that.

Once again Nicky defines something perfectly. How Alex and Piper relate: Spy vs Spy but sexual. Oh Boo what did you do?

That was a beautiful scene between Lorna and Nicky. Nicky sees Lorna for the crazy mixed up girl she is and still loves her. Hi Alex. Welcome back. Red gives good advise. REVENGE!!!!!!! Bye Pornstache. Well it looks like Red is getting back some of her people.