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Oh yeah, that was funny! There's so much of this last episode that I've already forgotten about. I suspect what happened was that there was more of an action scene planned there, but then Covid happened, and they just forgot to take that line out. That was pretty silly though; *Stabs Lucifer once* WHEW I'm all tuckered out! I think I need a nap! Lil' snacky-snack first though- who's ready for some Jesus wine and wafers? You hit the nail on the head. I know you were joking, but I think this is literally true. Also, it makes me think that if Wayward Sisters WERE to have gotten greenlit, SPN would still be going and these last couple of seasons would have gone very, very differently.

Dang, I envy how long some of y'all stuck it out. By season 10, I was already disillusioned that they kept introducing characters just to kill them off. But when they killed Charlie -hoo boy was I pissed! I almost stopped watching the show. But my wife was a huge fan and I loved spending time together with her. I don't watch much tv and this was our weekly ritual. So I decided, reluctantly, to give the show another chance. And then they killed Death. I actually did stop watching for awhile after that. Eventually I jumped back in, cos you know... ritual... but I never invested myself the same way again. Why should I care about a new character if I knew that the writers were just going to kill them off? Why should I care about one of Team Freewill members dying when I knew that they were going to come back? So I suspect that the declining quality of these last few seasons, and especially this one, hasn't hit me nearly as hard as it has others. Cos the show turned me from an enthusiastic fan into a casual watcher long ago.

"Which one's Ash again?" - Dabb, probably

No, because that montage song "Running On Empty" counts as classic rock, and Cas was mentioned at least 3 times that I can remember off the top of my head.

Awesome, thank you for sharing that! So I don't remember any other song used, other than for the montage at the end? Was that a modern song? Cos I'd never heard it before. Are they the "lolcanon" duo that everyone keeps talking about that keep screwing up the lore?

I haven't heard of this. Was it the wrong kind of classic rock? I remember back in season 7 when "Black Water" started playing, and I was well aware that Kripke was no longer behind the wheel, I was like "...so... I GUESS this qualifies as classic rock... but definitely NOT something that reflects Dean's tastes, like in seasons 1-5". I got the same feeling again when they played that "smile on your brother" song with this episode. Like yeah, TECHNICALLY it's old and it's filed under rock, buuuuut... still doesn't fit.

You know... at this point I hope Amara finds a way to destroy Jack from the inside, possesses Sam to kill Dean, finds Chuck and squashes him like a bug. World engulfed in darkness. Game over. Fuck it.

Just watched last night's episode of Supernatural. **SIIIIIIGGGGGHGHHHHHH** RE: the brothers acting so dense at not comprehending why having a reaper would be useful, to the point to where, after turning into the new Death, she mocked them for being slow. Eat a bag of dicks. RE: We have to wait for Sam to decipher the Enochian in God's death book because Michael, the Archangel, suddenly forgot how to read Enochian, the language of the angels. Because we need to force plot-twist. Got to store. Purchase a second bag of dicks. Eat that as well. RE: "Amara's living in harmony inside me". Yeah guys she's totally cool with being trapped outside of time and space again and not having any free will. Go back to store. Purchase a 3rd bag of dicks. And a grill. And charcoal. Invite show writers over for bag-of-dicks-eating bbq. Seriously, I don't think I can properly expressed how much I hate what they did to Amara's character.

Just got finished watching the episode (due to us not having live tv anymore). Thoughts before I read the thread: My first thought was "wow, they are really praising Dean up this episode! I wonder if the Primetimer forum will finally be happy? ...probably not. They're probably going to focus on being pissed at Bobby's propping Sam up as the big head honcho or whatever." 😂 Seriously though, loved how empathetic Sam with Dean in the beginning, as well as Castiel's monologue at the end. Tbh the "oh noes you slightly nicked me I'm dead forever now" seemed a bit of a cop-out for such a major villain as Death. But eh, I guess they've killed Death before with the scythe; gotta change it up a little bit. Having everyone disappear, one-by-one, up to and including Bobby & Charlie, was tense and heartbreaking. Sam & Jack sold it for me. I can't believe I'm saying this, but even Jack's face looked legitimately horrified. I'm actually still processing the idea that this was the last time we will ever see Castiel on screen again. It's difficult to comprehend. I can see why the episode was called "Despair". That last scene will haunt me until the day I die.

Oh ok, that does make sense.

This is why I keep thinking that there HAS to be more to Chuck than meets the eye. There's no way he can be such a one-dimensional villain... can there?

So... what was the point of that scene with Chuck & Amara walking and him telling her that he didn't write about the connection she and Dean shared? If they're just going to kill her off like that? My speculation is that just when all hope is lost, Dean will be able to connect with Amara who is inside of Chuck and that's how they will ultimately beat him. Because it will be outside of chuck's plan and he won't be able to control it. Maybe it could mirror Swan Song, where Chuck is beating the crap out of Dean, but the connection awakens Amara and she takes control over Chuck and sacrifices herself to destroy both her and Chuck.

Okay, I just wanna say before I get into reading the comments here: this episode was much better than I thought it was going to be. That's most likely due to my low expectations after the cringe ending of the previous episode. I feel like I understand a lot more where Dean is coming from now, especially after he blurted out that Jack's not family. I think that what he is feeling is totally valid and don't view him as the bad guy at all. Death's intention of becoming the new God for the sake of keeping everything in its natural order makes sense to me and is in line with Billie's character. Yay Meg! Or notMeg. Still, it was nice to see the actress. The Amara/Dean/Sam title cards were pointless, seeing as how one usually only uses that technique when they are showing the same series of events from different perspectives, which was not what was happening here. Sam & Dean's fight at the end was much better-handled than I thought it was going to be. Why is Chuck mad at team Freewill if he's the one who orchestrated all of that in the first place? Weren't they just unknowingly following his own script for events? Shouldn't he be calling them good little soldiers or something? Also, I'm just gonna say it: Chuck is worse than Metatron.

Yes, the regression is what sucks the most. I mean this is some season 1-level pettiness. I honestly expected Sam to demand that Dean stop the car and let him out. I guess I'm just upset because contrived brother-angst has always been my least favorite part of Supernatural. And I'm sure what happened was that the writers were like "OK, it's the home stretch of the final season, and brotherly angst is a staple of the series, so let's have the brothers get into one last huge fight in order to really ramp-up the emotional stakes." But they could have done this in a much more organic way. They pretty much had to force the brothers to act as unnatural as possible in order to pull the scene off. First of all, I don't think I can understate how important it was to tell Sam that Cas was looking for an alternative so that Jack didn't have to die. I mean for Chuck's sake it was literally the catalyst that set off the conversation! It should have went something like this: SAM: I still can't reach Cas. DEAN: Hang up the phone Sammy. SAM: Why? Dean, what's going on? DEAN: Cas is looking for another way to stop Chuck. SAM: Why? DEAN: Because if we do it our way, Jack dies. See how easy that was?

Yeah real quick just wanted to say that that last scene was bullshit and pretty much ruined the episode for me. Dean's blaming Sam as an excuse for not telling him the truth. Sam's over-the-top tantrum. DEAN CONVENIENTLY NOT MENTIONING THAT CAS IS CURRENTLY LOOKING FOR ANOTHER WAY. I mean I know that Billie told Dean to "get his house in order", but since when does Dean take orders from anyone other than his dad? (To be clear, I'm not blaming Dean or Sam; I'm blaming the writers.)

Oh. Wait, if that's the case then why did they suddenly stop airing the episodes? Was it a post-production thing?

Also, when the show revealed Sylvia's victim tied up with a contraption on her hand and the tv turned on, I half-expected a clown puppet face to appear and a low gravelly voice to say "Hello Valerie. I want to play a game." Talk about wearing your influences on your sleeve. Also also, was this a post-Covid episode? I was literally just talking with my wife about how they claimed to have less people on set and were practicing social distancing, so it would be interesting to see how they got around the fact that the boys often participate in a round of fisticuffs with their enemies. Then I swear less than a minute later, the pastor was praying with a guy, put his hand on his should and then gives him a big ol' hug! 😂

Was anyone else disappointed that this episode wasn't about a demonic teddy bear?

Hey I'm aware that my dreams will be shattered in the last 2 episodes. Just let me dream while I can 😂

Ooh I like that idea better!

I know that this speculation is probably out of left field, but if they don't reveal that this Chuck is an impersonator by the end of the season, I'm going to be very disappointed. Because I can't understand how the writers expect me to believe that this whiny, sadistic season 15 Chuck is that same season 10 Chuck who was ready to sacrifice himself to save humanity from Amara.

MY THOUGHTS - I'm glad that they finally addressed the balance thing between Chuck & Amara. - I'm glad that Jack has a soul again and feels remorse for killing Mary. - "Samwitch". Heh. - MEG! OMG I didn't realize how much I missed her! too bad it wasn't really her. - I enjoyed the interactions between our Sam & Dean and alt Sam & Dean. Also alt Sam & Dean stuck in between dimensions were very amusing. - Love how they used the recap to show 500 quick shots of Dean eating pizza instead of, you know, important stuff like Cas' deal with the Empty, or who the hell Sister Jo is. - Why are they making Dean such a dick these days? First he made a promise to Kia that he'd return her spear, then when she demanded it back he was like "lol I broke it too bad so sad". And this episode he tells alternate Sam & Dean to pretend to be them (probably knowing full well that Chuck would smite them in a heartbeat if he realized they were from another dimension), and when they get back he's just like "ok thanks now get the fuck out." - So Jack using his powers to drain Cas of his grace doesn't count as "using his powers", or... ? That's the second time Chuck hasn't noticed Jack using his powers. Just saying. - Why does Billie care about this world? Or more specifically, why does care that God is going to destroy it? The old Death didn't care, and was pretty chill about reaping God one day, too.

I pretty much enjoy watching the show with my wife at this point. I don't even really care enough about the story to have a problem with it at this point. That said, I do have a couple of nitpicks: So Sam, a professional hunter, is going to see Kaia's universal hand gesture for "be quiet, something's up ahead" and blurt out "What!". Yeah. Okay. Sure writers. Also - and maybe I'm not understanding the lore here - but if Jack has no soul, then why did he take pity on Kaia pleading with him to save other Kaia and use his powers, disobeying Billie? Shouldn't those emotions be absent?

I really enjoyed the episode. Well, like 99% of it. I love watching the boys make saving people their priority. Yes, it was pretty similar to the card game episode, but it was also different enough that I found it entertaining. I also liked that they humanized the other characters by giving them backstories, thus fueling the boys even more to win. It felt downright retro. Vintage SPN. And then Jack showed up, and announced that he could kill God. And I was like "oh right, I forgot the show is no longer about the Winchesters. Silly me!"🙄

Now THAT'S what I'm talking about!! I LOVED this episode! I'm a sucker for anything meta, and I enjoyed the hell out of this examination and dissection of the hero's journey. Plus I just love the comedy episodes in general. Now look; I hear what y'all are saying about the feelings of betrayal concerning the Winchesters' journey and self-empowerment. But I experienced that grief way back at last season's finale. I've been at the acceptance stage for awhile now.