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Is it wrong that I am more interested in watching the adventures of the Titan, sans Boimler, than the Cerritos?

I haven’t watched this show in years, and because circumstances I mostly watched now from the last episode backwards about 5 episodes. You can really see how insecure Amy is, and her agitation around the wedding increases each episode. Amy addresses her insecurity by trying to control everyone and everything, even to the degree of what she wants others to say. It makes me sad. And Amy’s behaviors really contrast with those of Caron, Matt and Chris, who all seem much more relaxed except they all worry about setting off Amy. So Jacob and Molly aren’t on the show anymore?

This show is ridiculous. The hunters are neither scary nor intimidating. The young Nazi assassin is the only scary character in this show. A former Nazi who keeps camp photos and teeth in an unlocked drawer? This would be way more impactful without the 300-style theatrics. There are parts that are quite good. I would have liked preferred more reality and less silliness.

I think it is hilarious how many times characters on this show, especially Bosch and Irving, just end calls, or walk away from discussions, without even a "bye" or any indication that the discussion is ending. They just hang up, or turn and walk away, and everyone is cool with it. It's like a bunch of socially impaired people who struggle with conversation, but they all expect it from each other so no one is offended. I was late to this show and binged it. It didn't impress me at first. The doggedness of the character won me over. The actress who played Maddie had an unusually large amount of screen time. Her transformation was given almost center stage. She is a fine actress, and I found her character likeable, but I had almost zero interest in what Maddie was doing. I FF'd through almost all of her scenes alone, especially the ones in the desert and the ones with her boyfriends. Bosch was kind of like the jazz he loves ... low-key, not always well-known, but solid and talented.

Almost fell asleep during the scene on the hill with the blankets. Yes, yes, Loki loves himself. I hope Mobius has a secret army. More balanced ep, just in time to end.

This show kind of blows. Bosche makes half-assed guesses and ignores anything that could mean he is wrong, as soes the show. As soon as we learned he had a daughter I started the countdown to the kidnapping, and then FF through that trope. Then “you killed our son.” Good grief. Made it midway second season but don’t understand how this show had seven seasons.

Yawn. This show needs to get back to the point. And no, I don’t mean action chases and fights. I mean some semblance of direction and plot behind cutesy dialogue and running in circles. Having a sit down discussion to decide to walk in the same direction that the train was already taking them? Please.

Proof that if Kaidu had taken the high road he preferred, he probably would have won. Instead his evil mother lost it for him. I just binged this show, and while it was rocky at first, I found it to be as close to Game of Thrones as any other show I have seen. Complex, and beautifully shot. I did not understand the last shot, with the empty camp and Christian staff, though.

I know! I'm not sure if I have ever seen a TV show that was successful *in spite of* the fact that the supposed heart of the show was of no interest to the vast majority of viewers! There are tens of thousands of viewers who watch because of Red and the show itself and try their best to ignore and contain their eye rolls over Liz/Daddy/Red. Like you, I quit watching this show about 4 seasons in because I was so sick of the Liz/Daddy storyline. I've checked in once or twice a season, and it is the same thing - and the same frustrations on these boards. And now that Liz is gone, I look forward to tuning in again! It doesn't help that we keep rooting for those people to be successful and knock Liz off.

I don't know why anyone thinks the show can't survive without Liz (assuming the character is leaving as well as the actress, media reports weren't clear). Over the years there have been a number of eps with minimal or no Liz, and they have invariably been the best episodes. I've posted that over the years here and there, though I largely gave up the show around season 4 (or 5?) because I couldn't stand how the show slowed down and became silly over Liz and the mystery of her parents. If the show now fails it will be because it has been around for what, 7-8 seasons? And has run its course.

Maybe, and also, this ep felt like the people writing the show forgot there was a plot. I thought it was slow and sort of boring. All the cutesy banter between Mobius and Loki, on and on, so that when we finally see female Loki at the end it was sort of like, "Oh yeah - there *is* a point to this show!" They need to watch that balance.

I only hope BL has time to create without her and show how good it could have been. This is about 4-5 years too late, IMO.

My question wasn’t about Walter’s motivation, my question was, why now? These folks have been supes for what, 70-80 years? What triggered Walter now vs. 10, 20 or 30 years ago, given his motivation? You might argue he would have done this earlier, when Paragon was young or nonexistent.

It’s sad to watch the whole season already knowing there won’t be a season 2. I agree that The Code, in the complexity of today’s world, should have been the center of this show. The origin story was a distraction that, IMO, ended the series. It could have waited. I’m not sure why Walter is making his move now, vs. any other time, but his philosophical battle with Sheldon reminds me of the similar struggle in Babylon 5, on a more personal level.

They should have saved the origin story until season 2, and spent all of season 1 on the moral aspects of being superheroes with a code in a more complex era. Draw viewers in with a strong premise, then tell the origin layer.

Oh, the difference better editing might have made. The moral quandary of doing the right thing even if it cost you AND no one else cares would have been interesting. Sheld on's vision powered quest? Not so much.

Well now I know why this show isn’t returning. It has basically given up the super hero angle and now is just about a bunch of nuts and/or losers in two timelines. Almost fell asleep in this ep a couple of times.

Still liking the central conflict between principles and reality. Not really liking the “Hero Island” tease at the end. Super heroes are interesting as more powerful representations of ourselves, dealing with mortality, aging, succession and morality. The Boys touch on that. The island seems likely to be fantasy fluff.

I liked the code, and the moral debate. The problem is only Prison Blackstar got it right… is there a double standard? What is the cost? The citizens seem to care more about being protected.

Many, many options. The war between "the resistance" or whatever it would next be called and "the empire" remains. We don't know a lot about it but clearly one party is in charge and has bad actors while another party seems to be oppressed ... or are they? There is the "new actor, new film noir mystery" route. Make the show be about the world and a new lead each year with connected crimes and crime solving. I kind of like that approach, if they can have the crimes be about the wider society. Then there is simply further exploring the wider society. I posted this in earlier eps, but it's almost criminal how fascinating this world is, especially the impact of not actually dying on human society, and yet the show barely touches on those ramifications and spends most of its time on who loves who and who is a hero and family. Put that stuff in the backseat and let's go explore this universe! I actually was intrigued by the perspective that allowing humans to live more than 100 years leads to no good. That was barely a side point to a revolution that turned out to not even be real. Let's look more at things like that. As for the ending, meh I guess. It became very conventional, with some choosing to sacrifice, enemies teaming up and some losing perspective. The battle in the tower was like watching a Marvel movie. This series could and should be much more than that. Yet another thread to follow, if there is a season 3. Shoot, we don't even know if the alien was bad. It was more like the tunnel monster in ST:TOS protecting its young and lashing out at humans, because of what a few awful humans did. It was going to stop until Gov. Irritating shot it.

I loved that this season started out with another Meth hiring protection. I hated that it ended as fast as it appeared, and now we are stuck with "characters" missing old friends, protecting brothers, not remembering who they are, etc. Give us a mystery with some technology and societal impacts, show. Not a soap opera.

{Spongebob voiceover] "Two ... years ... later ..." So when it became apparent around ep 6 that this show was going to spend too much time on "characters" and not enough on the implications of this fascinating idea of stacks and reincarnation, I started skipping forward. But I did watch this final ep, and yeah, they had some amazing worldbuilding to work with and came up with ... this. - I never warmed to Lizzy. I wasn't even exactly sure who she was and why we cared, aside from she had parents. - The sister was the traitor because she didn't want anyone to have her brother. That might have worked if they pushed further and showed a disturbingly close relationship, but they didn't, do it was just a crazy sister. Which wasn't that exciting. - I *did* like the weirdo henchman assassin guy. Agree, they should have stuck with the film noir angle of solving the crime, and left out crazy sister and most of Lizzy. It was all over the place, and after a while I only cared about the occasional discussions around the impact of stacks (death has no meaning, humans who live so long get weird and bored, why "going on ice" matters - aren't people unconscious?, etc.).

I hope the comment about needing a break until “maybe Thanksgiving” was a joke. Didn’t they just have 3-4 weeks off, along with another couple of weeks with no show somewhere in there, not to mention the long holiday break. I have never heard of this host, though I have heard of her show (haven’t watched it… someone playing chess?). She has an almost anime face, with huge eyes. Not sure what to take away from Hollywood Squares, aside from you shouldn’t erase history. Didn’t get the humor of the prom pic. Kind of tired of the “stupid dad” trope. And followed by more “dumb males” humor making human male. Oh, and now a gay male stupid behavior song. Not familiar with Celtic performances. Maybe because I’m Scottish. “Sweet Home Alabama” did make me chuckle. Hahahaha, Guiliani’s kid joke, Gary Busey, loved that. First big laugh of the night. The Boom thing writes itself. Damn if the funniest part of this show isn’t the un-PC jokes Che and Jost give each other. It’s nice when we relax and laugh because we realize it’s just words. Cecily went for it in WU, wow. Bra skit… just hit me that this host is nailing everything. Maybe I’ll watch her show. I think Beck would be better as the Russian gangster guy on Barry than Vin Diesel.

There seemed to be a little bit more extra joy in this episode, perhaps because of the masks being gone (especially at the "Live from NY, it's Saturday Night!" opener), and maybe because the host seemed to be having fun. Loved the Muppets, WU was hit or miss but had some hits. I wish they had given Gemma more lines, because the humor of that skit is all in her oblivious delivery. I fast forwarded through the "two older ladies who used to be performers" skit because I always FF through those. They are painfully unfunny. The Last Dance skit went on way too long. I saw the real TLD and loved it, and got the point of this skit immediately, but it was clear the only point it would make would be the same one over, and over, and over. Also enjoyed the prom night skit, because people had fun being high school goobers, but if that red carpet thing exists IRL it saddens me. The rap diss skit would have been great but lost its way with the guy taking his rival's gf and kid. That was way too serious. Should have stuck with the idea of a gangsta being freaked out by how mad someone is at him.

OK, now it’s just silly. Some third rate fight club dude can force a cop to fight? Tak can turn on his team and actually kill them for his sister? The world is cool. The characters, meh. I’m probably out at this point. PS. Tak look and sounds like an Asian Rob Schneider.