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Some of those memes were funny but all I can see is Barry doing that instead of Grant Gustin and I get really annoyed. I can't believe its been a year. Arrow was pretty much my last TV show (at the time not counting Netflix stuff that dropped later) that got to end normally. Tiny thing. but I'm glad they only had a half season instead of a full one. Thanks. Yes I remember EBR saying she knew she was safe. I'm just having a discussion about a whole other fandom with a friend who long story, ended up in a rant about how Arrow treated its female characters and only decided who to kill off a week before filming and did whatever shippers wanted which was a 😲 for me. We were discussing WandaVision and the MCU so I think she's maybe more of a comic purist than I realised. So long discussions about Arrow's writing problems aside, I remember a clip of SA being asked questions and he says there was a short list but at the end basically admits he knew. I remember KC saying she didn't think she was in the grave and also that the grave itself was a big fake out. Oh well.

1) And never, ever talks about SA and KC in the same way. For obvious reasons IMHO but this seems to escape some of her fans. 3) I don't think they regret killing Laurel at all for all they were apparently surprised (again) by the backlash according to WM. They had multiple chances to bring her back and they never did 4) Black Siren was clearly more in her wheelhouse and actually got some good reviews. Not sure. There was a lot going on BTS in S4 especially with the CW almost ceasing to exist. That might have had an affect on full steam ahead, oh wait, quickly stall them! Stuff. There was also someone's interview where IIRC they said they needed something big for Thea and Laurel to interrupt and that turned into a proposal and they had to figure out where to go after that because it was too soon to have them get married. On a side note, does anyone remember which con it was when SA let the cat out of the bag that either he knew it was Laurel in the grave from the beginning or he was given a short list and guessed?

An official clip of tomorrow's episode this time. It's about to get real! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jnLIq-Wu_s

Actually getting so see Mr Bagwell the scholar is one of the things I'm hoping for an expecting in S2. Given the "hate to love" trope so prevalent in romance or "his pride and her prejudice" and how focused they were on each other it's not surprising that Edwina could tell they were into each other. In contrast he's charming and proper but disengaged with her because he feels the need to get married and she's The Diamond this season and that's almost all there is, so she can see the difference. That should be fun. Me too. I loved that whole dynamic. They both wanted to marry and both were willing to sacrifice love/ideal partner so that the rest of the family didn't end up in genteel poverty. Realistic but not hopeless or despairing. Kate just rather thought she'd end up with a local suitable gentleman once Edwina had made the match of the season because her beauty overcame the fact that she didn't have a dowry. Showing more of Mr Bagwell at the house party and contrasting him with Anthony for Edwina should almost write itself and I'm really looking forward to it. I also like Anthony at one point thinking he'll give Kate a small dowry once he's married Edwina and then later switches it to giving it to Edwina/Mr Bagwell whilst boggling in his own mind at the twists his life has just taken over the last few months. The one wild card is how Sienna fits into all of this.

Well he admits now that the BMD ending was forced, and not just because the network needed a break up because the show would last longer than 5 years. Although he would probably still blame pacing and getting to plots A through D at the right time. That said, if someone is still thinking that's "the final blow" for them and yet the writers got them back together and made her William's beloved step mother and sole custodial parent not once but twice, then it's obvious that they don't agree with you. It's also funny that almost every other character had low points and terrible writing where they disagreed with Oliver and did shitty things yet Felicity/Olicity are the only ones that get brought up again and again years later to MG. Some people are angry shippers whether they admit it or not. Funny how a lot of them also want Oliver to dedicate himself to redeeming BS and fall in love with her despite her being a murderer who helped kidnap William. Surely there's a logical fallacy of accusing the writers of pandering to a small toxic minority? Surely if it was just that then they'd throw them a ship teasing bone once in a while and continue on their grand Lauriver plan?

I don't think Kate is supposed to be ugly or "ugly" because she's a brunette. Just that Edwina is so incredibly beautiful that she makes Kate look plainer than she really is and people don't really notice her because they're looking at the Incomparable. Along with Kate being taller and less inclined to do the mincing and swooning. Anthony even comments on it to himself at one point. However it could be interesting to explore Indian and British colourism with the girls. Downton had a lot of long running plots to do with the running of the estate, some more interesting than others. I find it quite interesting and they could tie it into Simon's feelings about being a Duke and his family and legacy. It really depends how much time they're willing to devote to them outside of London and outside of the big house party at Aubrey Hall.

True, but even special forces have compassionate leave. I know someone who came home from active duty in Afghanistan for a while due to a family tragedy. Apart from anything else they don't want you if your head's not going to be in the game so to speak. And this was almost immediately after his wife was murdered and he wouldn't have been in a good state. It's also possible that Walker volunteered for the assignment so that he wouldn't have to be himself for a while and then things got complicated and tricky undercover. Of course it seems like it's going to be a season long conspiracy at least with a lot of people who may be involved and want to keep it quiet. And possibly people from his work that will turn up in Austin. I actually rewatched this and I still like it but don't love it. Micki is still my favourite character and I'm looking forward to getting to know her more. I hope her awesome boyfriend both stays awesome and doesn't turn into a dick and doesn't die, that would suck. Even though they had some clunkers "my mother wouldn't let me play with dolls so I played with cars" I appreciate that they brought up her the Only Female Mexican American Ranger issues a few times but didn't hammer us over the head with Important Issues via speeches like certain other CW shows. It will be something that's very important to her going forward but they established other things with her as well.

I could see Indian/half Indian for Kate and Edwina. This is before the official British Raj era but definitely within the East India Company Rule era. That could be interesting.

This. I can see why they might be leery of killing off their leading lady who is also a lesbian but if that was such a big issue then they should have just recast the character. Kate leaving Gotham and going on some sort of quest and we never see her again also doesn't really do her justice as she left so many characters and threads there and we're not going to see a scene where she had Jacob have a big reunion so whilst it's understandable that he doesn't want to make the same mistake again, it's also heart breaking. IF they keep the characters hoping and occasionally saying "I'm not giving up!" only to eventually give up or never get a resolution, it's not exactly great TV. I do think they should bite the bullet one way or the other sooner rather than later. I like Ryan a lot as a character and JC is charismatic but this made me chuckle. They have a good actress who works well with the rest of the cast even though the character herself is rather awkwardly jammed in there. They don't need to give her the most tragic backstory ever for her to fit in. The Standard Tragic Superhero Backstory would have sufficed. Instead she has three parents already pre murdered/died under tragic circumstances, AND she grew up in the system AND got wrongly convicted AND keeps getting hauled in for questioning AND can't get a job because she's a black felon AND mysteriously learned martial arts AND got rescued by Batwoman before. Even Sara Lance and Oliver Queen think that's a lot.

That was ok. I get Jacob and Sophie being very upset that they didn't know but I still wasn't on their side during the interrogations, even if Jacob and Mary later resolved to work together. And I get why Sophie didn't believe Ryan at first but again it's awkward. She's going to be outside the BW circle *again* and I wonder how that's going to work now all the connection she has with Ryan is as cop/detainee. It could be interesting to see two black female characters on different sides who ultimately want the same thing but they sucked at making it interesting last season with Kate/Sophie and Kate/Jacob. I also get why she's upset with Julia but it really wasn't her secret to tell and she should ask herself why Kate never told her despite working together on occasion. It's funny that all it took was a look from Sophie for Ryan to figure out that Alice = Beth Kane though. Even in corrupt Gotham it would take more than just being white for Jacob not to have killed openly mass murderer, terrorist Alice yet, although the general populace doesn't realise he's had several chances. Jacob was also publicly desperate to kill/apprehend the white Batwoman last season, he just couldn't catch her. My girl Mary is firing on all cylinders doing her Robbin Hood doctor job, trying to help Ryan and keep herself together but clearly still angry and grieving over what has happened and letting people know that as well as reading Alice the riot act. I loved when she was talking Ryan through posing. Gah that bat exploding out of Mouse was disturbing. I think Alice wins MVP of this episode and it's interesting that they're linking her directly to Julia and Safiyah as well as her suddenly deciding that Mary is her sister and wanting to have *someone* to play disturbing games with on a "family" level. She even sort of gave her blessing to Ryan and probably thinks having her in the suit is better than nothing. "You are to me" Arrowverse just doesn't do subtle and leave things unspoken if they can drive home the point with a sledgehammer instead. Ryan herself was still fine and she had some nice chemistry with Mary and even Luke, although it is still awkward trying to fit her into a role that was built around Kate not just Batwoman. She's not wrong that she can understand criminals but I do wonder where she picked up expert martial arts skills. I actually appreciate that Luke the character that had the most ties to Batwoman and the least to Kate was the one that was unsure about Ryan taking over and reiterated Batwoman's code several times.

There are ways you can continue a married couple's storylines without *completely* undoing their happiness. Shows don't often chose to do it, but they can. I'm sure they can think of something Regency-lite ish. If they hadn't specifically said the baby's name must begin with an A they could have brought in Amelia, Belinda and Caroline before getting to David. Pregnancy storylines are often popular. They could definitely explore Simon's "relationship" with his father and the challenges and rewards of being a 2nd black Duke (compared to his book counterpart being in a long line of Dukes). He and Anthony do have a long history together. They could also adapt some of the 2nd epilogue stuff with the letters. Really looking forward to see who they cast as Kate and Edwina though.

Yes, I thought that whole sequence was a bit weird. He was too calm when she was terrified and then when he didn't get an answer he collapsed against his truck in devastation like he had just seem her body when he didn't know for sure she was dead, she could have been unconscious or kidnapped for all he knew. But it did sound like a big conspiracy in the offing.

So I wasn't planning on watching this but I did and it was ..,fine? Pretty much what I might expect from WTR if transplanted to modern day CW set in Austin. It went over very familiar ground both for a police procedural and character drama show and I think it worked, mostly because the cast seemed to click very well despite the rough patches. This had a the typical pilot issues of big info dumps and setting up the story. I wasn't fan of plot device wife being killed off in 3 minutes but I get that that's going to be the ongoing mystery of the season. Keegan Allen playing the DA, gay younger brother! Kind of interesting to see if he knows more than he's saying about Emily's murder or just trying to get his messed up, obsessive brother to pay attention to his kids. Mitch Pileggi, I would watch him in anything even literally playing a Nazi in SOA. Molly Hagan, Lindsey Morgan, Coby Bell, Odette Annabelle they certainly have a strong supporting cast. Although I have to say I wasn't keen on the Geri as a potential love interest, she just seemed kind of there like the writers went "oh we need a LI scene" and if she was a friend of Emily's then that's a little weird. OTOH I'm glad they don't seem to be setting up anything with Walker and Micki and that she had a hot medic boyfriend who so far takes everything in his stride and is proud and supportive of her. I'm interested to see where her story as a Mexican American female ranger goes. They did a good job setting all her big issues up without being too heavy handed. I've never been fussed about JP even though I watched SPN on and off for years but I think this is clearly in his wheelhouse. I can't decide if I love the golden filter over everything or find it cheesy, both maybe. I'll probably watch a couple more at least but I don't know if this is going to become a must see or not yet.

Maybe Agnes and Herb notice that she doesn't have a home or a family (or a job?) because they're at least somewhat aware of what's going on/part of it but Geraldine herself wasn't? She probably crashed in that helicopter and then suddenly found herself at Dottie's suburban autocrat session. She may have been dressed for the 60s if SWORD is monitoring everything and prepped her but she probably didn't pack for a perfect 70s outfit as well. Unless she's coming and going and always looses who she is when she returns every day? Geraldine clearly believed she had a job and was given a promotion for saving her boss and enjoyed telling her story to Wanda. Is that some wacky thing that happened with Agent Woo and she's unknowingly repurposing it? In Ant-Man he struck me as someone who could get into ridiculous situations at work. She's a real person so she shouldn't just fade in and out of existence until it's time to interact with Wanda - we see Dottie and Phil at home and clearly WestView is an actual physical place, albeit at the moment somehow held hostage. I'm assuming some who are more aware know about the decade changes and others don't question it and it just happens like colour suddenly spreading to everything. If she's not leaving WestView everyday to go back to the SWORD compound and forgetting everything on arriving back, actually doesn't have a home, isn't fading in and out of existence, doesn't actually have a job and really doesn't remember who she is then I've got nothing. If she was aware she's Monica and couldn't just leave I'd say she had a secret home base somewhere but she really didn't seem to. I'd say Agnes and Herb were trying so sew suspicion about the "opposition" but the tone didn't strike me as pure manipulation, there was genuine concern there, though how that fits in is another thing entirely.

I thought they were there for the visual joke of the stork trying to eat the fish. TP was definitely rocking the look and pulling off the bright blue eye shadow.

I keep thinking he must be more than a construct. We've seen him question things both with Wanda (which theoretically *could* be her questioning things in her own mind) and on his own with other characters, even in ep 1 when he asked WTF the company does (which I think might also come in to play). That's what gets me. he has an inner life beyond the zany. Now as you say there are plenty of ways that he can sort of exist and/or have some form of consciousness somehow without Vision being alive as he was before IW. Herb's "catch you you on the flip side, Vision!" just struck me as really poignant

Sorry I knew it wasn't on Disney + but I hadn't seen some of the footage so I thought it had been released on social media or something.

This seems to be the promo for episode 4 clearly set in 80s WandaVision Promo Episode 4

Ok So Episode 3 raises more questions about Agnes. In 1 and 2 it seemed like she was deliberately there to make sure Wanda didn't start questioning things too much and she was fully in the know. In episode 3 she clearly doesn't let Herb tell Vision what's really going on and seems concerned about "Geraldine" and her being with Wanda, but maybe with a touch of fear. Looking back at the first trailer we see Katherine Hahn in a car wearing a (Halloween?) witches hat and she seems to think she's dead because she sees Vision and knows he's supposed to be. And in the second trailer she asks "are you here to help us?" So whilst I think she's involved because Ralph is going to be hela involved. She's more than some random woman who was dragged in, probably part of the coven but not the mastermind. Still Agatha Harkness? We also see a shot of Geraldine being "sent home" across a field by Wanda instead of her just falling through the physical/magic/energy barrier at the end. And the second trailer did make it clear that Monica didn't know who she was, just that Pietro seemed to trigger a memory. There's also "this is our home" "then lets fight for it" between WandaVision that I don't think would happen if Wanda was going to turn out to be behind everything in a "she's a villain/antagonist for phase 4" way. Maybe in a Tony Stark with Ultron/Civil War way with whatever happens because of her grief and fear creations. And holy mind stone, not that it's surprising but I didn't register that it was so prominent at the end of trailer 2.

Hmm, I'm not sure Wanda is always mostly in control of what's going on. It's clear she does have enough power to literally throw Monica out when she threatens to force her to remember things she doesn't want to but there's more to it. We also didn't see Wanda be the one to rewind Vision this time, it could have been something else. Or not. There are two sides of people who know what's going on Agnes/Herb(probably Dottie) who didn't seem overtly malevolent this ep and actually quite worried about what's going on because of Geraldine who is almost certainly trying to help Wanda and probably also because of Wanda herself. In the eps before they were definitely trying to stop Wanda and Vision from realising something was up ala the red helicopter scene. Then obviously SWORD trying to break through. I did wonder if there was going to be a twist and a set up for Wanda being an outright antagonist in Dr Strange 2 but I don't think it's that. She might have done this in her grief and doesn't care about the consequences or even if she's trapping people but she's also being used. I have a feeling Mrs Hart/Debra Jo Rupp might also play into it more. And as I said, obviously Ralph.

Gods damnit it! The only thing wrong with this series is that each episode is too short! Well they've definitely got my attention now. I want to binge so badly but I'm also enjoying the suspense, especially because we know there's an end point. Confirmation that Herb is also in on it and probably every other person we've met. And he and Agnes are possibly on the opposite side to Geraldine/Monica as they don't like her arrival. Vision seems to be more than just in Wanda's head as he is independently realising something is off when she's not there. Herb just cutting through the breeze blocks like nothing was something sitcom zany but enough off kilter for Vision to notice. I definitely get the feeling that there's more to "Ralph" than the classic sitcom character we never see trope. So Wanda does have some control to expel "Geraldine" out of the distorted reality, which is actually a physical thing that's being monitored by SWORD! The red is the reality stone/aether/angry sludge right? Wanda looked seriously horror movie creepy in those ending scenes, big props to Elizabeth Olsen. Twins, Tommy and Billy. So adorable! They didn't waste any time getting through that pregnancy. I actually chuckled at a few of the jokes, very 70s though they were. "and you young lady might just have what it takes.....to be a nurse!" Wanda remembering she's a twin and Pietro being the trigger that Monica tries to get through to Wanda with the Ultron reference. It's also possible that "Geraldine" didn't remember until that moment. I loved the wacky story about Gravity Os. TP is doing a great job as well, looking forward to getting to know more about Monica. Hydra Soak, I did laugh, that's actually a good cover for them as a company, no one will suspect. The "escape to a world all your own where your problems float away" definitely points to Wanda wanting that but I still think someone else is using it for their own nefarious purposes.

Some shows have an irritating habit of doing that. And actor quits/gets fired and they don't kill them off for some reason and dangle a maybe and have the other characters swear they'll never stop looking for them. And of course the other characters seem like arseholes when they don't actually devote much time to looking for them and we never see them again. Looking at you Stargate Atlantis. I suppose they might be holding out hope RR comes back for some sort of wrap up after she's had time to reflect and/or when the COVID situation is more hopeful. I will say I really like JC as an actress, she has a lot of charm that's carry off an awkward role and probably I'll grow to really like Ryan (despite the name) but it *does* feel really awkward for now because the cast is so built around Kate, not really Batwoman per se.

When they first made it clear they were "going there" in CW I was a little surprised that the dedicated time to it given the million characters in a technical Cap film problem but I enjoyed their interactions, both actors are great and have chemistry together and the characters are definitely interesting. Again, a lot of development happened off screen before IW but I thought they made it work and the ending was devastating. The MCU does have a spotty track record with romance but this was one that I thought was handled well. And with both actors on fire in this I even care about them getting a fake HEA in the suburbs before getting to the meat and tragedy of watching it all unravel for Wanda (again).

Assuming Woo and Darcy (and maybe Monica?) are working with SWORD I then further assume they're at least supposed to be a "good" organisation like SHIELD pre TWS. Then they'll pop up for The Eternals, DS2, Captain Marvel 2, Ms Marvel, LOKI and whatever else in Phase Four. Granted that's a lot of assumptions. I think Wanda is stopped from questioning things a little too much by Agnes among other zany antics for this to be *Just* about her madness and grief after Vision. Every time she questions the very fragile world she's dragged back in. But she also can clearly manipulate certain events and might also be stopping herself from remembering. Something/one has either got to be using her grief for its own ends or out and out holding her captive by having her create a reality she desperately wants to be true. Like every genre show ever. How far one way or the other remains to be seen. Katharine Hahn is of course awesome but it almost seems a little too obvious for her to be the main villain. Or is it just "obvious" to people who discuss TV/MCU to death and everyone else will be shocked that the wacky neighbour is evil? She definitely in the know somehow at least. And KH can switch from wacky to menacing in a heartbeat. We're doing this "for the Children" likewise. To save her twins? For Wanda to create them for herself or to find Vision or for the benefit of the Big Bad against her will? "The Devil's in the details" came across too fake-jolly intense for it to be a clue for Wanda to discover that she's locked *herself* in her own head of half remembered American sitcoms.

Oh yes, if they'd given me the option I'd have watched it all at once (and six hours isn't much in one go in quarantine) And I'd now be the ep 8/9 threads going "wow, can't wait for the rest of P4" and then forgetting about it after a couple of days and coming to discuss it a few more times but not really building any deep rooted interest in it. I find binge watching like a candy bar, awesome but not long term satisfying. Which is great for trashy or action shows but with this I know I'd miss half of it and forget to do a complete rewatch. But something like this IMHO deserves savouring and is perfect for actual forum discussion and not just *^&%£!! reaction on twitter. Also kind of helps in a personal way that a lot of my shows recently ended or are on long breaks and/or breaking my heart so I'm shopping for a new one to get invested in and this weekly seems to fit the bill.