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Great episode, but I was surprised that John left out a really important parallel with the racist deputy excusing the Atlanta murderer: One guy held Vincent Chin down while the other bludgeoned him to death with a baseball bat. Those murderers WALKED. NO JAIL TIME, just a $3000 fine and three years' probation. Like, they got the sentence that would have been right had they taken the baseball bat to a streetlight instead of a human being. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Vincent_Chin

There are all kinds of things I can overeat, but biscuits are like lead in my stomach. Yummy lead, sure, but I would be in physical pain trying to swallow four. I don’t think even the guy from “Man vs. Food” could have beaten that platter of breakfast! A bucket of grits or a pile of pancakes would go down more easily than that.

You’re remembering right. I’m kind of in love with Riley. A smart, talkative troublemaker is my kind of girl.

It’s good that Ricky was apparently supporting himself in his own household, and that he was still interested in loving and supporting Selena even though he’d been forced to raise her when he was only half grown. It’s good that Sean’s mom said she was seeing someone at the Mayo Clinic, and she choked up talking about her granddaughter every morning making her want to live. But those bright spots were few and far between. Those poor, poor children...the teens and the infants alike.

It's below unranked -- it's not even NCAA or NAIA. It's ranked in its division within the Christian colleges athletic association, which is worth exactly what it sounds like. Why the heck you need cheerleaders when there's neither a crowd nor a TV audience, I don't know. But do we know when Tyra's segments were filmed? Have they confirmed that this Miami trip was in the last 12 months?

Damn, they started off with a bang this season, didn't they? Ricky was holding TWO newborns during one of the conversations; clearly anything goes in that house. It didn't look like the house had more than 4 bedrooms. How in the world did they make room for 18 people to sleep?! And that was before either of those newborns came home! Did you catch Sean's concern about the possibility of having a "boy doctor"? Selena said "I know you're worried about that." That is some crazy control freak BS. How troubled do you have to be to stress about a male obstetrician looking at your girlfriend during labor?

Boy, Jenna's mom is a piece of work, isn't she? Jenna has the excuse of being an _actual_ teenage girl. Her mom has zero business acting like a high-drama 12-year-old. Jenna's dad, Mr. Three Percenter, described her actions as "borderline," and that's how she came across to me, too. I hate Jenna, but...poor Jenna. Aden's mom gave him great advice when she told him to just stay out of it and let Jenna and her mom have their dysfunctional dance. No matter how much of a nightmare the mom is, if you insult or criticize her, Jenna is going to feel defensive. That's the only mother she'll ever have. Your critique just serves to rub Jenna's face in the fact that she has a rotten mother. Right? I'd take any excuse to go to Miami with my friends in the winter, but that game was super pitiful.

It was strange to me that she talked about the kids sitting around all summer when they have 1. a giant backyard 2. a personal waterpark 3. age-appropriate playmates in-house for 5 of the 6 kids. Camp for me was largely about outdoor games, swimming, and playing with other kids, and the Busbys have that built in, so where's the big loss?

That’s what children think adults do. Actual adulting means constantly doing things you don’t want to do. Adults anticipate consequences, follow rules, and accept limits. It’s children who do whatever they want until someone stops them. Tammy has it backwards.

Omg the baby grin when she tickled his neck! He almost makes me want a baby, so I need to remember that I don’t want a five-year-old or a teenager.

Tammy is really disabled emotionally. I would expect a jealous 6-year-old to work up more fake enthusiasm over a new baby than Tammy did. Jerry came off like a class act next to her. I mean, a total stranger’s baby deserves more cooing than that. If anyone actually called Tammy their favorite aunt, they did it under duress. I see I’m not the only one who thought little Mr. Gage is at the top of the darling dumplin’ scale. Most newborns look pretty raw, but his cuteness is fully baked. I really AM a favorite aunt, and he can join the nephew crew any time he wants.

Bill could do a much better job explaining how his solar panel issue is connected to real, widespread problems with over-regulation and NIMBYism in California that drive housing insecurity and homelessness. It's almost impossible in some California cities to improve properties in ways that increase density and allow more people to live in comfort. My family in the Bay Area fought for literally years to get permission to finish the basement and put in a second bathroom. In the intervening years, a family of 5 made do with 2 bedrooms and 1 bath. No wonder any house with two bathrooms is worth millions! Never mind actually building affordable apartments near mass transit. It's more or less impossible. THAT is what Bill needs to be talking about -- his shed could shed light on the larger issue. I liked that Bill had Kinzinger and Schmidt on. We need a loyal opposition, not a QAnon opposition. But I wanted to smack him when he started making fun of Kinzinger for believing in the Devil. I'm an atheist who thinks it's idiotic to attack our allies. I mean, our republic is at stake. I don't care if he believes in sky fairies -- he also believes in vaccines and votes! If he's on our side when it comes to Trump, then make the man welcome.

Because that's who he's fucking. I hadn't heard about the Armie Hammer thing even though I try to follow sexual politics, so maybe this won't actually turn out to be a cancellation. But I'm totally with Bill on Aziz Ansari and similar stories. If someone is a terrible date, a selfish lover, or a kinky freak in their personal life, I don't think it ought to cost them their career. We need to distinguish cases of sexual harassment of business colleagues, which is always unacceptable, from what people do with consenting adults in their social lives.

Did I miss something, or did they re-cut the episode to exclude Tyra's cheer trip to Miami? I was looking forward to that part. Oh well. Also, when you think he's wrong on a question of family dynamics, yell, "You're so DUMB!" I'm the first person in line to say that Aden is dumb, primarily when it comes to the selection of girlfriends, but these baby shower strategy sessions just aren't a smart/stupid kind of game. Jenna reminded me of Jade from Teen Mom, who would respond to her mother's irresponsible addict behavior with, "You're so RUDE!" I mean, I guess she was rude, just like Aden is dumb, but that is not germane to this conversation. These girls just lack the vocabulary to describe what's going on. I'm mostly a covid-prevention Nazi but I'm making an exception for Taron. Granted, teens are never great at looking at the big picture when they don't get what they want. But I wouldn't want any new dad to be rational about being close to his baby. He SHOULD be frantic/pissed rather than calmly considering the public health ramifications. I think it speaks well for his character that he wanted so badly to be present. I can't wait for the Myrka shit to hit the Michelle fan next week. Bring it on!

I think they said he's 12. Plenty old enough to latchkey.

It doesn't seem fair that Chris got all the brains in the family. Yeah, that's the conclusion I'm coming to. She needs some kind of food rehab where they keep her occupied all day. No one sends a heroin addict home to use 2 bags a day instead of 20. If they knew how to do that, they wouldn't be addicts.

Also, Tyra is COMPLETELY over Alex and ought to cut him loose, and I can't handle the stupid with Lilly.

Teach her about and provide birth control! It works. There's never been a study showing that threatening your teenager prevents pregnancy. But there are a ton of data showing that education and free birth control do. If Liliana had brought Myrka to get the shot, implant, or IUD, and Myrka refused, you know that Liliana would be throwing that in Myrka's face. But let's get real -- the parents who do that don't end up on this show.

Maybe, though I think Liliana's very concerned about what the neighbors etc. will think, and the fact of the teen pregnancy would be obvious to everyone. The bigger issue is that Myrka clearly, strongly wants to parent that baby. Being forced to give up a child she wants to raise could be even more traumatizing than being forced into an abortion she doesn't want. I'm with you. Both of those may be going on at the same time.

Babies going for long car rides is not ideal, but it may be the best alternative in the crummy situation these teens have created. It's priceless long term for the dad and his family to be invested in their relationship with the baby. We sure haven't seen Reanna voicing any reasonable arguments like "I won't be able to handle overnight separation until she's sleeping through the night." She's just sulking and stonewalling.

Because there's no strange man living there. Right. He wouldn't even _talk_ to his mom about his concerns. She might not even know that he/Tyra oppose the boyfriend moving in. Yeah, it's his grandma's call in the end, but he could try to change her mind. She LOVES having her great-granddaughter around; she might well do what she needs to do to make Tyra feel safe about it.

Someone on the Unexpected: Savage Edition FB group said that Myrka's aunt and grandmother died together in a car accident a few months back. My mind had gone straight to Covid, too. There were many reasons why I wouldn't have spent a ton on that gender reveal, starting with the idea of a gender reveal, but damn, it looked like a great party! Any party with a griddle man making street tacos is a party I want to be invited to. There also appeared to be individual cups of flan on the "snack bar." I'm here for those snacks. You don't just get to hand your baby to other people and say "it sucks that this falls on you; it'll only be for four years." Child care is nobody's burden but the parents'. If family members want to help out, great, but Tiarra clearly doesn't, so Tyra needs a different solution. I CANNOT with Hailey 1's coy "get away with murder" smile about sleeping with Noodle Boy again. I want to believe she got an IUD, but given her pattern of bad decisions, she may well be calculating that Noodle Boy's THIRD child will be the magic wand that makes him stick around and love her forever.

magemaud, I caught that too! I have so many questions. Based on her manner of speaking alone, she seems several dozen IQ points ahead of her sisters.

She looks awfully well practiced at the snotty attitude, doesn't she? A number of posters have found lower-cost public two and four year colleges closer to Tyra's home where she could be with her kid every night. This is not even considering online college options. She said her lifelong dream was cheer. She is attending the satellite campus of a crappy private college 2.5 hours away in order to cheer. Cheer is only making it possible to attend THAT college.

Ethan quoted Myrka saying those things in one of their THs. I think it was in the first third of the show.