gundysgirl

Co-sign every single word of it.

Yes, thank you....this is definitely the gist. I have never understood it, but I realize I could be missing something. Now, if Bethenny believed him to be a rapist and still put her child in situations where she would be in his company, then shame on Bethenny. For example, Jason has been credibly accused and found guilty of stalking and harassing Bethenny, the mother of his child. Were any woman to go near him, let alone get into a relationship with him and procreate at this point, I would think her incredibly irresponsible and a nutter. He didn't do what he was accused of at the age of 19 (not that there is any justification no matter the age). He did it in his 40's and there is little reason to think he will suddenly change.

Yes, this. What we have now is what we were left with. We don't actually know what happened. We know that the young woman involved told her roommate when she got home that night that she had just had sex with two men. We also know that she told a different friend the next morning over Bruch that she had had sex with two men the night before. No mention of a rape, and no evidence that she was upset or traumatized. When friends of the two that she later accused of the rape started calling her later the next day asking her if she wanted to party, she became upset that it was being discussed in the fraternity house and said she "thought" she must have been raped. I am not saying that she was or was not, because I have zero idea. In general, I tend to believe the woman. This seems to be very complicated. I hope that she received support and counseling for whatever happened. I am a mother to both a son and a daughter. If my daughter made such claims I would be beside myself and want justice. At the same time, if the exact same situation happened and it were my son that was accused, I would be outraged on his behalf (just knowing the facts that we know). If I loved someone who was accused in this situation I would defend them. At the end of the day, I am not sure how Bethenny is to be judged for anything having to do with any of this.

I think the timing thing is simply semantics. We met Dennis in Season 8, which started filming in October 2015. In an early episode (the one where she was mad at Sonja about the branding deal), she mentioned the evening the night before with Dennis. Said they had been friends forever and he was just getting out of his marriage. She didn't mention if he was no longer living in the home with his family or not, but it doesn't sound like she was trying to hide anything from the world. So it sounds like they started hooking up in late 2015/early 2016.

I think it is all very complex with Dennis and Bethenny. It sounds like he wanted to marry her early on in the relationship (I think she mentioned that a couple of seasons ago). It also sounds like it was very complex with Dennis and his wife. Bethenny said that they kept the engagement secret and didn't tell anyone. It also sounds like they were on and off a lot as a couple, but stayed close as friends. From what I could gather, she told him not long before his death that it just wasn't working. But it also sounds like they had had the same conversation many times. Maybe she thought at some point it would work out. One thing I don't think is that she is making stuff up to make it appear he loved her more than he did. There are too many people who could out her on this. His kids, his family, his friends. No one has disputed anything that Bethenny has said about his feelings towards her. And I cannot get past the fact that one of his kids called her immediately after his death, before even the press got news of it. That kid thought Bethenny important enough in his life that they gave her an early call about what had happened. You don't do that for someone you don't care about or believe the deceased didn't care about.

The constant analysis and judgement about Bethenny and her relationship with Dennis is fascinating to me. To me, there are so many questions because we actually know so little. As much as Bethenny has taken the opportunity to give details on all matter of topics, she hasn't really gone deep with regard to Dennis and his marriage. We have zero idea what was happening with Dennis and Jill. Don't know who wanted the separation. Don't know why they didn't divorce. We don't know because the actual parties involved kept it all quiet. We don't know how the the kids feel about Bethenny, but from what little we do have gotten a glimpse of, they seem OK with her. And since he seemed to love her, certainly she should have felt welcomed at his funeral. And if they are not, how on earth would this be Bethenny's fault? She was the one on a reality show when he began dating her, while he was still married to their mother. She is a loud, publicity loving person. This is hardly shocking to anyone. Yet he apparently loved her, wanted to be in her life and even appeared on her show. On the same show where she will share her emotions and feelings, per usual, but has seemed to work hard to not divulge anything confidential about Dennis, Jill, or the dynamics involved in their marriage. Even if doing so might help her escape some criticism. You know she knows lots of stuff.

Sorry if this has already been mentioned (just getting caught up on the season), but the thing that surprises me the most, since I wasn't aware the she was going to be on the show, is that Bravo wanted Barbara to have anything to do with the show. I remember a couple of seasons ago where she made such a fuss and filed that emergency order to stop them from showing the scene where she told Carole that she didn't think Lu should marry Tom. She claimed she wasn't aware that conversation was being picked up and thought it private.

So sad all the way around. My two cents, which are not worth that.... Fuck anyone that tries to say anything Bethenny did contributed to his death. That is the kind of thinking that makes this whole thing something that is misunderstood and stigmatized. The picture of Dennis and the dog was sweet We still, after years, have zero idea what was going on with Dennis and his wife. No idea that she was hurt, saddened or displeased with his relationship with Bethenny. She seems to have moved on. For all we know, she moved on first. We know that they cared deeply about each other which is wonderful for their kids. We know that they still felt love for each other, but there are many types of love outside of romantic love. His addiction (if it was that) didn't have to be caused by family issues, financial troubles, or dealings with M. Cohen. He could have simply become dependent on them. I am dealing with a smart, beautiful sister with the same problem. A girl who lives a life others only dream of. With a loving husband and 3 beautiful kids. Has never had a drink of alcohol or an illegal substance in her life. Yet she became addicted after a back injury. We only just found out 2 years into her addiction. And only because she didn't have unlimited resources and turned to stealing from her church that she loved and attended faithfully for 10 years. Her husband and family had zero clue. And now she wants nothing but the feeling Oxy gives her. RIP Dennis

She had the cat for 9 years? I don't think I even knew that she had a cat. She doesn't seem unselfish enough to love a cat. You have to be willing to accept the relationship on their terms, to not be needy or demanding with cats, but accepting in a way you don't with dogs. I just cannot see Sonja being that kind of person.

Good for a father for bailing on his toddler? Yikes!

Exactly. And if there were no justification given, then one would assume the judge would have ruled rather quickly and easily. Didn't the Judge say she wasn't changing custody for now? Why even ponder it if Bethenny presented nothing?

Maybe she thinks this is the best thing for Bryn. I know I would in her situation.

No, you didn't miss anything. And no, it's not shutting down production.

Nothing as far as I can see. Certainly doesn't change the fact that Dorit is a bitch.

Kyle said last year that she told Dorit it wasn't a good idea but we didn't see it. Dorit agreed and said that maybe she should have listened to Kyle.