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To avoid being productive, I rewatched this. The way Russ is petting Pao's arm is just disturbing. Just not how grownups act in public. It was like she was a housecat or puppy.

Yes! I think she just went over the soles with red nail polish.

Paul and Karine: if he's going to be there for six weeks, it should become obvious within four weeks whether or not she's pregnant when her period comes. One wonders if he knows how that works...

I grew my hair as long as her extensions when I was a teen. Guess what? I gets stuck in your ass crack all the time with shit stuck to it. Sexy time! She's actually very pretty (and seems quite nice and kind) and if she just had bra-length hair, laid off the lip fillers/caterpillars and wore sheath dresses with 3" classic heels, she'd be gorgeous. I like the dark hair, too.

What does that mean?

The Chew is advertising with a new photo of the hosts -- well, four of them. Daphne's not in it. Wonder if she's out?

It's possible -- even probable -- she froze some eggs.

Welcome to my world. I have two masters, one from an Ivy, and an award-winning TV show. I drive an airport limo in the middle of the night, which is a lot of fun for a lady of almost 60. You are much better off with less education.

At least in the old days, "swirl" meant applying tongue to derriere.

I was astonished the doggie could make a lap outta that hot mound o' flesh!

Count me clueless. what is "HO11?" Is this something the young folks know about?

I'm kinda guessing the producers knew about Sean's ads about polygamy and they are capitalizing on it with the other dude?

The amount of crap all of them pack is going to be endlessly entertaining.

Impatient, yes they do, and I mentioned that this sort of place is where I did my dive master training. But for a group of five (four? can't remember) to take a two hour trip inland for just the checkout dives would be unreasonable, given the travel and toting all the equipment. I did my training at Crystal River, but that was a two-hour drive from Orlando. I must say that the "losing" of the mom was pretty funny, and she did not get hurt. I guess the Swaroski gems on her geezer goggles reflected off the scuba mask and disoriented her? (I wear geezer goggles, but just not blinged out) I dived in a couple of similarly disgusting locations getting certified, so it is not unusual.

Oh, "Outdaughtered" Daddy...you do not have the luxury of "suffering from depression." You have to just deal with the lives you made. How about not worrying about how to tell your father about your depression and taking care of these kids instead? You'll be busy enough you really won't have time to navel-gaze.

I'm a scuba dive master. In Florida, there are few bodies of water that would be suitable if the ocean is rough. This was likely the only suitable place at all in salt water. If you go inland to freshwater lakes (my dive master training was in the sinkholes at Crystal River) requires different training, equipment, and you will need to load up all the equipment to get there. Boats run over people in the open ocean, too. My experience with checkout dives is that there's no optimal situation, people indeed get confused easily, and the instructor was at fault for not keeping up with all the divers. And I love your snarky Jeanette comment lol.

After taking scuba classes at home in a pool, you are required to do four "checkout dives" in open water. The ocean was too rough that day to go off the boat in deeper water, so this was the scuba company's more sheltered alternative so they could get the four dives done to get certified.

All of this is so laissez faire. I can't imagine anyone would have more trouble with a Sib bathroom visit than a woman bringing a young son inside, although I've had my fill of the little punks crawling under the stall... But thank you for bringing up this topic of which I was previously unaware. There is something nefarious about the legislation of all this...why can't all of these groups quietly use the bathroom as they always have? I recently spoke with a college friend who'd been male during school and later transitioned surgically to female. She said the most horrifying instance of using a private area was trying on clothes in the communal Loehmann's dressing rooms. I bet any biological woman would agree! ACK! The problem is, once it's legislated, men can, and have, taken advantage of the law. They don't need to don a dress or lipstick (not sure how that makes someone female) just go inside and say you're female. And just try calling 911 on that. Yeah yeah assault is illegal. The cops have much more important things to do and by the time the guy has, er, come and gone, the cops still aren't there. Because they aren't coming. But at least if there's no TG law in place, women can shame him into leaving. And in my experience, women are very empathetic to TG people and know the difference.

OK then, my heart doesn't go out to Jazz. Jazz is a spoiled brat and is incredibly inconsiderate to those around Jazz, without regard to biological women, the feminism we worked so hard to attain, and women's concerns about privacy and safety. Apparently we don't matter at all.

I missed something. Who is Nicole? Do you mean Noelle, maybe?

Yes! One-holers. Or like a restaurant near me, that has a unisex sink area but floor-to-ceiling individual toilet rooms.

OK, I'm in the TV industry and live in Hollywood. Nobody dresses this way out here or has the weird glasses. And I'm in my 50s. She just seems...an outlier. Really, no one in Hollywood would be caught dead with those silly specs.

I am in the arts and know tons of TG people, including two who did surgery. I'm glad people are finally starting to get why women are so threatened by the bathroom issue. If it's not legislated, people can go into bathrooms and really, no one cares. But if it's law, that's where the creepy straight guys have free rein. Try calling the cops. They really have more pressing cases. The TG bathroom discussion on this ep was so hackneyed and predictable. "Never happened in a bathroom..." Unfortunately it happens all the time in places TG bathrooms are legal, because creepers take advantage of it. There are quite a few documented cases. Noelle was circumspect on the issue, and I really appreciated that. I know the producers do too, and are quietly showing that. I was sexually abused by my grandfather from my earliest memory until age 14. My only refuge was...the bathroom. I could lock the door. Now I can't lock the door. I am an extreme-leftie liberal, not at all a conservative. I participated in a panel discussion about the bathroom issue, and frankly was terrified. All of us, who were welcoming to TG people, thought that someone was going to shoot us. Police were called in and removed several violent people. There is some force (powered financially, somehow) that is driving this TG movement. I really have no idea what it is, but the source will emerge eventually. This is a very dark and scary world. Anyway, Jazz's narrative is disturbing, and this person (I'm not going to be bullied into using the pronouns) has been railroaded into a strange life during the formative years. My heart goes out to Jazz, and hope Jazz has access to whatever will enhance Jazz's adult life. I do wonder what the production and legal meetings at TLC regarding this show sound like. When this kid is 30, there might be a groundbreaking lawsuit.

Regarding Jazz's allergic reaction, I find it unsettling that it was elective medical procedures that caused this self-inflicted condition. Aren't the parents at all concerned with Jazz's physical health? In an era when many are devoted to organic lifestyles, I find it weird that this kid is being pumped full of who knows what. And the statement that nothing has happened in a bathroom tangental to legislating TG access -- absolute poppycock. There are dozens of documented cases, which include some in YMCA locker rooms with children. I admired Noelle's sensitivity to some biological women being uncomfortable with this -- a thoughtful attitude I had not heard before in the TG community.

This has been a fascinating discussion about what "dating" means -- for transgender and other people, all people. Scenes on the show have suggested that Jazz hasn't explored sexuality yet, and given the age, that is understandable for anyone. When I was Jazz's age, "dating" meant you were expected to have sex by the third date, and usually by the first (this was the pre-AIDS, post-PILL era). It's actually refreshing and lovely to see young people interacting without being expected to jump in the sack. I have a young relative who is transgender and still a virgin, yet in a committed relationship. My person (sorry, just can't do the pronouns) is in college and it's kind of nice to know there is companionship, love, yet no one is getting preggers or contracting a disease but enjoying the positive parts of a good relationship! When I was my relative's age, I met someone I really, really liked, but after waiting seven dates he dumped me as I hadn't jumped into bed with him. Which was because it wasn't casual to me. So this may be a very positive development of TG partnerships! Wish I'd had that.