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Of the people who were asked back for a second week, I am rooting for Kal Penn as the new host.
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This is a place to post what you think might happen in season 3, and/or what you want to happen.
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On 12/17/2023 at 10:18 PM, Atlanta said:
Larrian!!! When the appropriate amount of time has passed, please let them court and marry. I also want comedic family dinners with the Russells and Agnes.
On 12/17/2023 at 10:30 PM, chaifan said:I was never shipping Larian, and honestly, up until the last few minutes of the show I really didn't care whether it happened or not. But I was surprisingly happy when they kissed. Really, more of Larry kissing Marian, and Marian really kissing him back!
On 12/19/2023 at 9:40 PM, izabella said:All along, I didn't really care either way about them as a couple, except how it might set up a few good scenes between Agnes and Bertha. But I was charmed by their moment on the stairs, and now I'm rooting for them.
Same here. I am now team Larian all the way and rooting hard for them to become an official couple.
On 12/18/2023 at 5:42 AM, BeatrixK said:Bring on Larion so that we can see Agnes stress over having to receive 'New Money' on 61st street please!
On 12/18/2023 at 3:42 PM, tennisgurl said:Really, I might just be extra rooting for them to get together so that we would get really awkward dinners between Agnes and Bertha as they try to play nice but are glaring daggers.
This is one of the reasons why I think having a long courtship and marriage would be absolutely fantastic. Snark to snark combat from Agnes and Bertha at family events/major holidays would be fantastic. Not to mention all of the drama about who gets to host what, which is where this show thrives.
The opera war was stupid petty nonsense, but I was completely enthralled by it and loved the way Fellows treated which opera the Duke attended as a serious high stakes moment. I really enjoyed the opera war plotline this season.
On 12/17/2023 at 10:18 PM, Atlanta said:If Gladys must be a dollar princess, let her and the duke fall in love. She deserves better than Consuelo Vanderbilt.
On 12/18/2023 at 7:31 AM, chitowngirl said:Perhaps a mini Hallmark movie-Gladys can’t stand him and then the clouds are lifted and he’s everything she didn’t know she was looking for.
Given that the series is written by Julian Fellows, I am pretty sure this is what will happen. Or, since this is Julian Fellows, I predict the Duke will have some sort of horrible fatal accident after the engagement but before the wedding.
On 12/17/2023 at 10:42 PM, Jodithgrace said:I wonder if next season we will see him track down the slippery Miss Beaton.
This totally sounds like a Julian Fellows plot. It could be fun or awful.
On 12/18/2023 at 1:38 AM, buttersister said:Ok. Bring on the daddy/mommy wars. Daddy loves his Gladys.
Also, I think George understands how much Bertha's love and devotion has helped his career. They are a team, united by love and passion for each other. George and Bertha genuinely care and support each other. He wants that for his daughter.
On 12/18/2023 at 6:39 AM, NeenerNeener said:If Ada leaves all her money to Marion, will Bertha be ok with her marrying Larry? The Van Rhijns (and maybe the Brooks) are old money, after all, and Agnes hangs out with Mrs. Astor. That may be the plot for the third season, if there is one.
I don't think Bertha would have any problem with Larry marrying Marion. She's old money, young, and unlikely to cause a scandal serious enough to harm their reputation or damage their place in society.
On 12/19/2023 at 9:46 AM, chaifan said:For Season 3, I'd love for them to actually date/court, instead of just rush into a marriage proposal and wedding.
I am sure the relationship/courtship will move at an absolute glacial pace. I predict there will be multiple seasons before they actually get married.
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On 12/10/2023 at 10:38 PM, quarks said:
3. I've been asking this for two seasons now and I will continue asking: why does John Adams continue to be friends with Oscar? John Adams, my dude, I realize that dating men during this era was tricky, to say the least, but still. Have better standards for yourself.
Because love and lust makes you stupid.
On 12/11/2023 at 2:22 PM, meep.meep said:We can thank our lucky stars that no plucky servants have been accused of murder yet.
I am mad/annoyed at you for even putting that out into the universe.
On 12/11/2023 at 6:31 PM, BeatrixK said:I am so invested in Jack's Clock Saga and I have no earthly idea why - but i love the ingenuity and his hopefulness.
Same here. I think because it's a very American story.
On 12/11/2023 at 7:14 PM, Fake Jan Brady said:She is Mrs Bruce, so somebody must have hit on her at least once.
Mrs. was used for the cook and the housekeeper even though she was single/never married.
On 12/12/2023 at 4:44 PM, AntFTW said:Oscar is a banker, but we don't know what kind of banker he is. He's clearly not a banker that deals in acquisitions.
This makes sense to me and is a logical explanation for his stupid behavior. There are different kinds of bankers.
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On 12/8/2023 at 5:31 PM, HappyHanna said:
She's living on the largesse of her aunt, at some time that gravy train will end, and teaching water colors (or reading to poor kids? Does anyone understand this school? Thursdays are rich kids, Fridays are poor?) Is not going to keep her in satin gowns.
She is teaching at two different schools. The water colors and art are to rich girls at a private school during the day. At night, in a completely different location, she is teaching adult immigrants at a settlement house (I think that's the right term for it) how to read and do basic math.
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This is a place to post what you think might happen in season 14, and/or what you want to happen. Also, this would be the place to guess/predict what you think the absolute last scene of the series finale will be.
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On 11/13/2023 at 3:44 PM, ahpny said:
No one suggested this just got conjured up from the ether, just that there's no definitive proof. But short of a sex tape (that wouldn't exist for several decades), I'm not sure what would count as "definitive" proof anyway
I think with the right recording equipment, it's on the absolute verge of plausible. It would be audio only. The FBI had wiretaps (not sure what you call it when the hotel room is bugged/people are listening from the room next door) of MLK's extramarital affairs in the sixties. This series is a decade away from that, but I would not rule it out completely as a possibility.
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15 hours ago, Atlanta said:
I want Larian as the end game. He seems like he'd encourage her art and teaching. Can't imagine Bertha and Agnes being in-laws. LOL If that happens we need a funny Christmas dinner episode in the future.
This is the absolute best reason I have ever heard for Larian being endgame. Bertha and Agnes having to go to family dinners together for big important events would be fantastic. Snark to snark combat for the entire meal.
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59 minutes ago, txhorns79 said:
I would agree. I think he cares for his workers, but more in a "Look at what I've given you, and now you want more? Why aren't you more grateful?" kind of way. It struck me as naive that someone who employs child labor doesn't realize that school is either not available, or not a priority, for his workers.
I agree with your assessment of George. Also, for most working-class children, free public school may have been an option. Attendance laws varied from state to state, but most working-class families needed the extra income. It made more sense for the family to have the child working and bringing in another income as opposed to the child being in school.
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37 minutes ago, RachelKM said:
If Larry and Marian merely occasionally showed up at the events they were expected and didn't paint too far outside the lines in their activities, they could remain wherever they landed immediately after the wedding. Assuming Marian chose to continue teaching, she might be viewed as eccentric. But with Larry's family wealth, it would clearly be a choice and not a need to be employed.
If she's teaching the poor, it could be considered "charity" and helping the less fortunate. It might be seen as eccentric and there may be questions as to why Larry can't "control" his wife, but I would don't see it causing a scandal that would have them ostracized. For as long as it lasts, they have Agnes and George protecting them socially and financially. If Gladys marries well and learns to play the game well, she might be able to help. I could see a future where people say, "We must invite Gladys and it wouldn't be right to exclude her bother and his wife."
George cares about having money, but I don't think he cares about social status. As long as he money to afford servants waiting on him, what social engagements they are invited to or excluded from probably would not bother him or Marian.
It seems like Larry and Marian may be the end game, but I don't see how you get there. I believe them as a friends, but there is nothing romantic there yet.
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12 hours ago, Roseanna said:
Well, even George asked if there was a school for workers' kids (although as a robber baron he would irl favor child labor which is cheaper). So plots are separate, but there is a common theme that is quite interesting.
The common theme of education is interesting as it relates to the women, especially Peggy's mother. It is activism, but it is "appropriate activism" because it is something a women should be involved with (children and education). She is not meddling in "real" politics or something that is outside of a proper's woman domain.
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15 minutes ago, RachelKM said:
But 19th and early 20th century labor strikes and The Redemption Era South are hard topics to skim past without trivializing or turning into shallow stunts. This show is clothing and architecture porn overlaid on a soap opera.
You have articulated something very important here that I could not quite put into words. The business dealings among the members of the League of Bearded Gentlemen (Shout-out to Tom and Lorenzo for letting me borrow that perfect phrase of theirs) work because it fits into the soap opera dynamics/structure where this series lives and really shines. Anything outside of that (like the strikes) and the show struggles.
11 minutes ago, JenE4 said:Heck, we now got Peggy, Marian, and George concerned about schools, so I wouldn’t be surprised if their three storylines cross over.
I don't think they will because they are actually three separate stories. George's concern is based in Philadelphia. Peggy is focusing on young (school-age) Black children. Marian is teaching (White) immigrant adults, and working at a school for wealthy young (White) girls. There is very little overlap between the groups.
I thought it was interesting that Marian took the commitment to teaching immigrants more seriously than her co-workers. It seems as though almost everyone except Marian saw it as something charitable for young women to fill their time with between the more "important" activities needed to maintain's one status as a proper young women and finding a suitable husband.
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2 hours ago, Roseanna said:
However, it would be IMO far more interesting to keep George as a man who acts unselfissly only towards his family while otherwise pursueing ruthlessly his own interests.
I am totally okay with the way they had set-up George before the past two episodes. I was on board with the George who was a despicable robber baron and a horrible person in the world of work, but was a fantastic husband and a decent father.
I don't know why Jullian Fellows felt the need to give George a dramatic work-related storyline about unions and the working class.
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Frasier and Freddie had a decent relationship during Frasier. They were living apart, but they did see each other a few times a year. There were also phone calls. It seems that the trouble really started after the original Frasier ended, when Freddie was in his mid to late teens. The straw that broke the camels back was Freddie dropping out of Harvard, but there were probably issues before then.
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36 minutes ago, Roseanna said:
Yeah, Fellowes presents it so, but it's not realistic in that age. Ultimately, what George can do is limited by his peers.
Yes, but I want to clarify my point. You are correct from a historical perspective. I was thinking from a narrative/storytelling perspective. This is a character trait that has been previously set-up and makes some sense, even though it is historically inaccurate.
I feel like this is one of those rare instances where we can both be right.
28 minutes ago, rollacoaster said:Absolutely! And I'd love to know how Peggy's once enslaved father achieved the success that he has. And her mom and dad's journey to New York.
I know he hired a Black writer to help with Peggy's story and serve as a consultant. It would be beyond fantastic if after this series ended, HBO hired her to do a spin-off series focusing on Peggy's family from the Civil War through Peggy leaving for school in Philadelphia.
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15 hours ago, Straycat80 said:
The scene between the strikers and military men was intense. And I’m surprised George has a heart after all.
We already knew George had a heart. He seemed on board at least in theory with the workers having time with their families last week. He did not seem to think it was a horrible outrageous idea. His big moment in this episode was already set up earlier.
15 hours ago, chitowngirl said:Agnes is such a conundrum of keeping the old school as is and progressive with her staff.
This is a fascinating point and I wonder how common this attitude was. Maybe she sees the alarm clock as a worthy pursuit in his off hours, and she is pleased he is spending what little free time he has to do something productive.
10 hours ago, BloomsburyRez said:Although I still think Marion’s stocks are worth millions unbeknownst to all.
This is my theory. The stocks that she has were/are worthless (the lawyer was right), and then something will happen and change their value. The stocks that were worthless are now suddenly worth an absolute fortune.
10 hours ago, Roseanna said:They don't seem especially reasonable: eight hour's work day isn't their long term plan but they demand it at once and it's foolish to prepare to shoot themselves as in a fight they are certain to loose.
Actually, that is their long term plan. This is one of the few historical things the show is getting right. This was absolutely one of the demands from some unions during this era and persisted as a demand until it was accomplished.
3 hours ago, pasdetrois said:Why can't Peggy be a smart young Black journalist making her way? That story would be very compelling. Why does she have to have a secret love child and now possibly another scandalous entanglement with a married man who's her boss?
Huge YES! Peggy does not need soap opera plots and a love story. There are other characters to do those kind of plot lines with. What makes Peggy unique is her ability to tell stories about the Black elite of New York or the Black population of New York in general during this era. If you want to include stories about race and what was happening in New York City around racial issues, this to me is the reason why Peggy exists.
Also, I want a spin-off series about Peggy's family. I want to see how her mother spends her day: what does she do? who does she see?
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3 hours ago, stonehaven said:
Also, I can understand Niles coddling David but Daphne wouldn't as far as I can tell.
I agree. If we didn't know for sure that Daphne was still alive, I could easily believe that Daphne died when David was very young, and Niles raised David as a single father with help from nannies. There is no way Daphne would let Niles coddle David for his entire life.
The plumber was easily the best part of the episode.
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8 hours ago, Roseanna said:
I don't know about the US, but in Europe money wasn't only the standard of class.
And even it the show it was the "right" family, the "right" address, socializing with "right" people and finally a box in the Academy that counted.
In Europe, it was about money and the nobility/aristocracy. The nobles/aristocrats needed money to keep up their way of life. In the U.S in the era the series is set social class was all about money and being invited to the right places or accepted by the right people. However, Old Money looked down on New Money.
The series is about the cultural/historical moment when New Money was trying to gain the acceptance and approval of Old Money. It is the competition between the two. The Opera War happens because New Money realized they didn't necessarily need the Academy when they had enough money to start their own. It's a rare case of New Money rejecting Old Money society.
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On 11/27/2023 at 9:30 PM, kristen111 said:
I’ve loved Downton Abbey and I love Gilded Age also, but I think this show is trying too hard to be like Downton. Downton was Royalty, and this show is very wealthy New Yorkers. A difference. A Footman to serve each guest was over the top, so are the clothes.
Downton wasn't royalty; they were nobility.
I thought all of the staff we saw in "Close Enough to Touch" was just for the night, for the dinner in honor of the duke. My understanding was that Bertha was going over the top and borrowing servants from other households to show off and make a good impression.
Bertha is showing off and going over the top with the regular uniforms she has her footmen wear.
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26 minutes ago, kay1864 said:
Who else wants Church to tell Bertha about the averted crisis? (and that it was Watson who saved the day)
I want Church to tell Bertha, who will then tell George and ask if there is something he can do. George somehow save the day because he will do anything for his wife and also appreciates Watson.
25 minutes ago, Atlanta said:Does Oscar live with Agnes and Marian or does he have his own place? I don't think it would be considered unusual for a fully grown son to have his own place. He's at least in his 30s. I could see Larry not having his own yet since he's a recent Harvard grad.
My understanding is that young men of that class in that era usually moved out of their parents' home and got their own apartment after graduating college. I am not sure about where Oscar and Larry are living.
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4 hours ago, Tango64 said:
Amen. I suspect the producers feel like they need to show some of the gritty, bad parts of life in that era lest they be accused of just glorifying super rich white people. So they create a separate plot line that feels like a different show entirely, and just tiptoe around the ugly parts.
To me the frustrating thing is that if they wanted to show racism during this era, they could have done that with Peggy and her family in New York. It would be fantastic and a great opportunity for the audience to see that racism was not confined to the south and that it existed in the North, but in more subtle ways. They did a bit of it in season 1, but I want to see more of it. I also want them to explore the differences in the Black community in New York. We've seen glimpses of the elite through Peggy's family, but what about those who are less affluent? Does the Black elite ever interact with them, and under what circumstances, and what does that interaction look like?
3 hours ago, chaifan said:This episode, George did seem in favor of the 8 hours of work/rest/life concept. Worker safety has been mentioned a few times since, so maybe he will do something in that regard.
What struck me about George's line in that conversation is that he supported the idea of the workers being able to spend more time with their family.
1 hour ago, RachelKM said:Walking with a man in a park (or otherwise out in the open) was one of the few acceptable ways to be with someone of the opposite sex.
Marian and Larry are known to be neighbors. So it might not be seen as courting. But they may raise a few questions by being out together. I don't think it would be a scandal, though.
I think as long they are seen in a public place (like a park) with a social equal it would be acceptable. There might be gossip from people who saw them in the park, but unless they held hands or kissed, it would probably not damage their reputations.
1 hour ago, Salacious Kitty said:Does Oscar have a high enough position at the bank to be investing its money? I picture him as some mid-level scrub.
I agree. I thought Oscar was investing his own money.
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@hiisa I am actually rooting for John Leguizamo to take over the show. He's on my short list along with Dulce Sloan and Roy Wood Jr.
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20 hours ago, iMonrey said:
I wonder if Bertha would approve of Marian as a bride for Larry. She comes from a good family but might not be as upwardly mobile as Bertha would like.
I think Bertha would approve. Marian is from a good old money family. She is highly unlikely to do anything that would cause a scandal or harm Bertha's social climbing schemes/desires.
Agnes would not approve of the marriage at all, because she would see Larry as not only new money, but also would think his job is only slightly better than a tradesman.
19 hours ago, iMonrey said:It's not like racism didn't exist in New York. It just felt like Peggy was shoved aside into a completely different show.
I wish the series would explore the more subtle racism of New York, and also the world/enclave the educated Black elite managed to carve out for themselves. Most people know the story of the post-Reconstruction South and how awful it was. The story of the educated Black elite in the north doesn't feel like a story we've been told/heard a million times before. Peggy's story in New York is something new and different and something I want more of.
11 hours ago, Haleth said:Youza, that scene post dinner with George and Bertha just talking? There was some seriously steamy chemistry going on there.
Best scene of the episode for me. The way he unhooked her necklace felt so intimate. I loved the way her immediate first reaction when he told her about his business/work problem was essentially "What can I do to help?" I loved the way he looked at her when she asked if he was coming to bed. It was practically a smoldering look. Individually, they are pretty horrible people, but as a couple they are amazing; I root for them and throughly enjoy their scenes together.
10 hours ago, ofmd said:All in all, Ada and Dead Poets Rev were my favorite storyline. I would have liked to see a bit more about how society reacted to them. Would the marriage have been considered appropriate? I know expectations were different with a "spinster," but still.
We may get that in future episodes. I do not see why it would be a problem. There's no question Ada was marrying someone beneath her, but it was still a respected educated member of the community. Also, I think Agnes is very "You can't say that about my sister. Only I can say that about my sister." Anyone who tried to snub Ada would experience the wrath of Agnes.
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@StatisticalOutlier Thank you for your summary/quotes/explanation. If I understand it correctly, they shot on digital, but put it through (to use a simpler less technical term) a filter in order to make it look like it was filmed/shot on film stock from the the 1970s. In addition, they also framed/set-up the shots to mimic the cinematography (especially handheld cinematography) of low-budget/mid-budget 1970s movies. Did I understand your post correctly? If I did, then this explains pretty much everything I noticed, but could not actually put into words or accurately describe. Thank you!
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Speculation for The Gilded Age
in The Gilded Age
I think the Duke's storyline will go one of two ways. My predictions are not based on real actual history of the era but on the previous work of Julian Fellows.
Option 1: The Duke and Gladys will be engaged, but he will die in some type of tragic horrible accident before the wedding.
Option 2: The Duke and Gladys will marry and overtime, she will eventually fall in love with him.