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7 hours ago, Haleth said:
George and Bertha may both be ruthless and borderline villains when it comes to getting what they want, but man, they can't keep their hands off each other. It's nice to see a long married couple who still are crazy about each other. The way he looks at her? Smoldering.
Absolutely! Individually, I think George and Bertha are horrible people, but I totally love them as a couple. It's fantastic the way they are there for each other and support each other. The second one really needs help from the other, it's "what can do I?" Aside from Gladys, they are a united front.
I think this is part of why George feels so strongly about a love match for Gladys. He knows the importance of passion and devotion and what a difference it can make if the marriage is a partnership, not an obligation or an arrangement entered into for the sake of convenience.
6 hours ago, Roseanna said:Or maybe the priest is interested in her also? So far we don't know anything about him, except that he has until now been a mama's boy - suspicious or not?
The minister could be gay. At this point I'm not saying for absolute certain, but I'm also not willing to rule out the possibility that he might be. I think he is interested in her on some level, whether it's friendship or something more. If he is gay, Ada is a brilliant choice for a wife. No one would expect children.
4 hours ago, chaifan said:I was sort of hoping for the minister to woo Agnes, just so we could see a different side of her. Would it be socially acceptable for Ada to be wooed by a minister? I don't know where they fit in in the social structure of the day.
They are both single and more than enough time has passed for Ada to remarry without anyone commenting about it's too soon after her husband died. They cannot expect him to marry without courting and socializing, so some wooing would be allowed. Financially, it would be a massive step down for Ada, but it would be an acceptable marriage. It would not cause a scandal and I do not think Ada would be snubbed. Anything she would have been invited to before the marriage, she would probably be invited to after the marriage.
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5 hours ago, SmithW6079 said:
So David is straight? Thirty years after gay coding Niles and Frasier, they couldn't create a out gay main character?
Focusing on the original series, I thought part of the point was that it was deconstructing the stereotypes. Straight men can like fancy foods, wine, opera, classical music, and musicals. It isn't always as easy to tell who is straight and who is gay based on superficial things like interests and other elements of personality.
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9 hours ago, RachelKM said:
You should not be caught having an affair. But widows did have a degree of freedom and if they remained discrete, rumors of a not too scandalous nature could be tolerated. It would a little bit depend on her own background as well. If she were not from the old money crowd, she'd be viewed as "reverting to type."
That said, an affair with a man half her age with whom she was publicly seen and of whom she was demonstrably possessive is the antithesis of discrete.
What I meant was what the gossip would be if the affair became known. What the conversation among the men in their club (or wherever they might discuss it) would be talking about Larry and what the conversation among the women in their parlor would be talking about the widow.
7 hours ago, tennisgurl said:Is there some kind of secret newspaper for LGBTQ people lookin for beards? He could marry a nice respectable lesbian looking for a husband who wont be lookin for much from her beyond appearances!
This would be the absolute best case scenario for both people involved. Gays and lesbians existed in the late 1880s and people were under tremendous pressure to marry so the idea of a beard doesn't seem completely outside the realm of possibility. Someone gay marrying a lesbian seems like the absolute edge of plausible, but possible. I could picture friends of friends who know people making discrete inquiries to make it happen and help them find each other.
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13 hours ago, Sailorgirl26 said:
So now we've got Laura Benanti added to the list of Broadway stars in this show, AND a plot around an opera house -- if we don't get some sort of fundraiser where they all sing to raise money (and somehow figure out how to get Audra McDonald in there), I will be HIGHLY disappointed!
My guess is we will see Audra McDonald show off her musical talent but it will be at home. It will be her practicing for a church or some other type of event, or maybe just playing for fun. Singing and playing the right kind of songs was considered proper and a sign of good breeding for a lady, so it would make sense.
12 hours ago, Camera One said:Mr. Russell is promising his daughter to back her if she falls in love.
That surprised me at first, but it does make sense. Mr. Russel knows how important his wife is to his successes, and the fact they love each other and will do anything for each other is part of that. It was not a marriage of convince where each is just playing their part. They are fiercely devoted to each other, and Mr. Russell wants that for his daughter.
9 hours ago, Roseanna said:We don't even know if Mr Russell knows that Oscar is gay, but we do know that he has from the beginning suspected that Oscar is a fortune hunter.
This is going to cause problems. Mr. Russell does not want this daughter to marry a fortune hunter. Mrs. Russell would probably be okay with it if the man had a title or prestige.
3 hours ago, Brn2bwild said:I wonder if George's promise to back Gladys with regard to whomever she loves will blow up in his face.
I am pretty sure this is going to lead to a massive shouting screaming match between the couple. This is going to be a fight that will be loud and heard by every servant in the house.
1 hour ago, iMonrey said:Agreed. It's Mrs. Blaine who would suffer if this became a scandal
Absolutely. From the perspective of the time, Larry was just a young man sowing his wild oats and having a fling. It's what young men did, although he should have been a bit more discrete about his choice of partners. Mrs. Blaine would be a pathetic old woman chasing after a younger man trying to recapture her lost youth. Also, a widow should not be having affairs. She should wait until she is married again.
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1 hour ago, chaifan said:
This comment was about Oscar & Agnes. I'm glad we actually have an age for Oscar. Oliver being 40 is more realistic than some of our guesses of late 20's or early 30's, as Agnes is in the 70-ish age range. But, at the same time, it's slightly unrealistic, as it would make Agnes a first time mother at about 30 in the mid 1800's. It would make more sense for Agnes to have had a kid in her 20's, and Oscar to be 50.
Getting pregnant at 30 is possible. Given the time period (the 1800s) I found it highly plausible that she had other children who did not survive. In other words, there were other children, he was just the first to survive and grow up to become an adult.
1 hour ago, chaifan said:And, a 40 year old that doesn't have any type of job and just lives off his mother. wow, what a catch. /s
I could have sworn he worked in a bank. We never see him at work, but I am almost sure he has a decent respectable job.
1 hour ago, chaifan said:This is one of those things that just bugs me, because it would have been so easy to write and cast around these issues. The character of Oscar could have been a nephew or even great nephew of Agnes, and been aged in his late 20's. He could still be her sole heir, maybe even a ward or adopted son, with a backstory of his parents dying early in his life and Agnes taking him in as her own. I could understand how Fellowes really wanted Christine Baranski as his Agnes, but I feel Oscar - at any age - could be played by just about anyone.
I agree with this. I think nephew or great nephew would work best. People did tend to have larger families.
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10 hours ago, Roseanna said:
I find there could be much potential about the Black middle class family living in the 1880ies in Brooklyn and Peggy's dream to publish a novel. I guess Peggy's father's clinging to success and good reputation is a reaction to past humilation (wasn't his father a slave who was sold?). The family's story would make an intresting spin-off but of course Fellowes isn't the right person to create it.
I am all for this hypothetical prequel/spin-off. I would love for the historical consultant Fellowes is using for Peggy's storyline to get her own show so she can do a deeper dive into this world. I would love a prequel about Peggy's father building his business, starting a family, and becoming a member of the Black elite. It could also include Peggy's life pre-baby drama.
6 hours ago, chaifan said:From the Season 1 final episode, I was sure we were heading for an entire season of Peggy searching for her baby. And I was so not looking forward to that. While I think the resolution came out of nowhere and was wrapped up in record time, I'm glad we're done with it. It would have bored me to tears. The character, and the actress, deserve a better story line than that.
Huge YES to this. The character deserves so much better and there are so many more interesting storylines and aspects of this era to explore through Peggy. I am glad the writers' realized their mistake and corrected it pretty quickly.
6 hours ago, chaifan said:I think it would be interesting to see Bertha finally relent, allow Oscar as a suitor, they become engaged, and then Bertha and/or George learn Oscar's secret. Breaking off an engagement is a society no no, so how would they get through that? Or do they allow the marriage, joining in on the deceit? That would provide the needed vulnerability...
Maybe. George would have to make clear to Oscar that no scandal or indiscretion would be tolerated (per his wife's request). Oscar would have to be very careful, and produce children.
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I may regret posting this, because everybody has different tastes, and comedy is somewhat subjective, but I am curious who is on your shortlist (if you have) for permanent host? Based on who we have seen so far, who do you want to be the new host?
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I liked this episode. Toning down David was a huge step in the right direction. I can believe Niles telling him stories (lies) about what a ladies' man he was, but I'm not sure I believe that Daphne wouldn't find out and set her son straight telling him the truth in a kind way.
Frasier's plot was great. I loved Alan wearing the gauntlet and coming up with different uses for it over the night.
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Charlamagne is now on my short list of people who I hope become the new host. I did not know that much about him, but I enjoyed his week.
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11 hours ago, Anela said:
I watched the original as a kid, and if it was hulu that started as one of those sites, offering shows like this for free, I think I watched some of it there, in 2009.
It was probably Hulu. They started off as a free service with tons of shows from the 1980s and modern series from Fox and another network that appeared on Hulu the day after they aired. If it was 2009, the timing works about right for it to be Hulu.
16 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:I remember the show, and as cheesy as it was, was more believable than the snippet I saw of this trailer.
I agree. The show wasn't really about the movie industry, actors or celebrities. It was more like a low-rent A Team. Colt Seavers was a bounty hunter, which was how he made money in between gigs as a stuntman. There was his cousin who had studied a semester of just about everything in almost every college/university. There was a woman, but I cannot remember what her role was. The trailer for the A-Team movie looked awesome and made me want to see the movie. After seeing this trailer, I have no desire to see the movie.
Back when IMDb still had message boards, someone rewrote the theme song lyrics to "The Unknown Stuntman" with modern celebrities and it was awesome. It's a shame that won't be part of this version.
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7 hours ago, Roseanna said:
I understand that Fellowes wants to merge characters' plots, but could they really be friends in 1880s and even sat together in restaurants?
Legally, yes, because I do not think New York had laws on the books at that time regarding racial segregation that were being enforced. Whether or not it would be socially acceptable is a different issue. I would say probably not. There may be circumstances in which it would be acceptable, but I cannot come up with one.
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5 hours ago, Roseanna said:
The common theme seems to be the relations between parents or guardians and daughters. (There are also sons but they have it easy.)
I agree and would add it's also about how the parental relationships are different when it's a daughter as opposed to the sons. As you pointed out, the sons have significantly more freedom. They are supposed to earn money and avoid public scandals. This includes the woman they marry. As long as she is not someone who will ruin the family's reputation or position in society, they have options.
With daughters, who they marry determines the rest of their life. It will determine their place in society and their entire economic future.
I still want scenes of just the younger generation interacting with each other. I want to see the dynamic is when you have Marion, Oscar, Gladys and Larry in a room together, like at a party or some event.
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12 hours ago, Roseanna said:
Well, her brother could hear rumors or see by chance Oscar with his partner in the night life.
The best option is Mr Russell as he could hire a detective. But after finding facts he probably wouldn't tell them to Gladys but only say to Oscar: stay away from my daughter or else...
I find both of these possibilities to be realistic/within the realm of something that could happen in the show and possibly real life as well.
5 hours ago, ahpny said:From Agnes' perspective, teaching watercolors is a far worse offense than robbing a 7-11 for cigarettes. The later is one-off petty crime often not even prosecuted and seldom making news anywhere. But an upper-class single women teaching weekly for a common salary is a flagrant and scandelous breach of all the unwritten rules this show is about. What would "good" people think if they found out? It is simply not done.
And, because of who she was teaching, there was a better than average chance that someone from their crowd would find out, which is exactly what happened.
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1 hour ago, Straycat80 said:
I think Gladys is so desperate to get away from her overbearing mother she will marry Oscar just for independence. She’ll eventually realize he’s gay and then it will get interesting. Oscar probably feels he’ll have more of a traditional life being married to a woman but see guys in secret and hopefully not get beat up anymore.
Yes to all of this expect for one thing. I don't know if she would be able to figure out that Oscar's gay, or who in her social circle would be able to clue her in on the secret.
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6 minutes ago, amarante said:
I would assume that she is naive enough to actually think she can marry for love and Oscar really doesn’t present as someone a young girl would swoon over.
I agree to some extent. I think she wants to marry for love and not someone her mother selected. But if it is someone her parents, or at least her father, will approve of and allow her to stop living with her parents and her mother's rules, she can probably convince herself that she loves Oscar.
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14 hours ago, txhorns79 said:
I felt for Peggy, but glad that storyline is wrapped up without having to weigh her down with a kid.
Peggy is one of the most interesting characters and I'm glad they finished that part of her story so they can give her something more interesting to do. I want to see more of Peggy at the newspaper and her relationship with the editor.
14 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:While he tells Gladys that she can pretty much do what she wants, I think Oscar believes he can control her to a certain extent because she's so young.
Yes and no. I took that to mean that as long as Gladys is discrete and no one finds out, she will be allowed to have affairs and he will tolerate them as long as it does not become public knowledge or a scandal.
6 hours ago, Haleth said:No one would bat an eye except for the fact that finding Oscar with a male lover would be too scandalous for anyone to overlook. Agnes may find that Marion having an actual job is the least of her concerns.
Now I want a scene where Marion either feels the need to confess or explain something to her aunts, just as Ada and Agnes have discovered Oscar's secret. I want a scene of Marion and Oscar in one room and him telling her something like "Whatever you have done, it is going to be the least of their problems. You could have done almost anything and you will get a free pass."
5 hours ago, Roseanna said:What if they had children whose father was officially somenody else?
As long as the other man was okay with the baby having Oscar's last name and being part of that family, I don't think it would be a problem for Oscar. The marriage is supposed to produce heirs and someone to carry on the name, and to the outside world he will have done that.
Depending on who the biological father is, Oscar might be okay with having the person in their life as an honorary uncle or something. Oscar seems to be pretty on board with the idea of Gladys having affairs.
1 hour ago, iMonrey said:She insists it's because they need it to hobnob with the blue bloods and arrange marriages for their children but their son is a grown-ass man. It's just status to her. And I don't get the impression she'll stop once she's gotten that box. She'll just move onto obsessing over something else she thinks she's being snubbed over.
Larry is grown, but he is not yet married. I'm sure she wants a suitable match for him. Bertha won't be as picky, but she wants someone for her son who will not cause a scandal or ruin the family name among society.
I think part of Bertha's character is that it will never be enough for her. She will always want more and better. There is always going to be something else.
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4 hours ago, Spartan Girl said:
I don’t know how to feel about the picture but the fact that Disney is punting Elio and Snow White to 2025 instead of settling with the SAG is infuriating. Especially since that means poor Rachel will have to endure ANOTHER year of people giving her crap.
I have a different thought on the issue. It makes sense to change a release date for a movie that isn't finished, because you can't do a mainstream wide release for a movie that is not completely done.
I understand "serious" Oscar type movies changing their release dates because many of them are from smaller studios/production companies with smaller budgets that don't have the money for massive ad campaigns. They depend on the actors/creative team being able to promote the movie on talk shows and other places which are then circulated on various websites (like YouTube).
Disney has the money to run ad campaigns on TV, online, and any other place movies are advertised. I do not see a reason for them to move the release date for a movie that is already finished.
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When Frasier was talking to Eve at the bar, I'm surprised they didn't go for a joke about bartenders being a poor man's shrink or something similar.
As soon as Frasier was watching the news broadcast on the fire and started talking, I was waiting for them to mention Martin. I thought it was touching that Frasier was worried about Freddie, and after spending so many years worrying about his father, he did not want to go through that again.
The Dalmatian was adorable and young. I want to see more of him or her.
David is a disappointment. They are writing him as a cute sitcom kid when he is almost an adult. I want to see an episode/plotline that is Freddie and David together without Frasier. I want to see what the relationship dynamic is like between the cousins.
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19 hours ago, Camera One said:
If this show falls through, I guess the next step is a prequel. Cast two cute kids as Frasier and Niles and watch the hijinx ensue as their blue collar dad deals with two kid snobs.
I would watch that show! We've heard enough of their childhood that there is enough to draw from. It would be wonderful to see Hester and Martin as a happily married couple and to watch them raise them their boys.
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13 hours ago, andromeda331 said:
I really wish we had Frasier and Niles always said they took after their mother but she married Martin who is so different. What was she really like and what were they like together?
I agree. My take on it, and this really just pure fan-theory, is that her interests were more like Niles and Frasier. She liked the symphony, the opera, "the finer things"/upscale snobby things. However, she was also more than willing to do things that Martin enjoyed, and may have even come to genuinely enjoy them herself. It may not have been her thing at the start of the marriage, but she was willing to give it an honest try and wasn't going to look down on it and make fun of it just because it wasn't her thing.
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In case anyone else was wondering when the new and final season would start.
https://www.tvguide.com/news/the-cw-fall-tv-shows-2023-the-complete-schedule/
Tuesday, Nov. 14
9 p.m.: Whose Line Is It Anyway? — Season 12 premiere
9:30 p.m.: Whose Line Is It Anyway? — New episode-
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19 hours ago, Lois Sandborne said:
(And it should go without saying, but quitting an unfulfilling job is not the same as dropping out of school, so wipe that smug smirk off your face, you inexplicably antagonistic twerp.)
I agree. People sometimes go to the wrong college, realize it was a mistake, and then transfer to a different school where they are a better fit. They could have had Freddie do that.
I know they were going for father-son conflict, and there's still a way to make this work within the series. Instead of Freddie dropping out of Harvard, maybe he transferred to a "lesser school" where he was much happier. After college, he became a firefighter, much to the dismay of Frasier.
17 hours ago, Chit Chat said:I'm curious as to Lillith's reaction to him quitting school. They'll have to understand that Freddy doesn't want the same things as them, and hopefully come to respect his decision.
I have the same question. Is Lilith okay with it or has at least made peace with it sooner than Frasier? Has Freddie been estranged from both of his parents for over a decade? These are questions I hope are answered when Lilith makes a cameo this season.
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5 hours ago, Egg McMuffin said:
We did see Hester a few times. She was on “Cheers,” played by the late, great Nancy Marchand. Hester hated that Frasier was dating a “pseudo-intellectual barmaid” and threatened to kill Diane. It was actually a pretty funny episode.
Later on, Rita Wilson played Hester on “Frasier” in a flashback or fantasy sequence, and she was doing an impression of Marchand’s portrayal.
I meant we never really got to see her as a regular character on the show and know what she was like to be with on a day to day basis.
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13 minutes ago, possibilities said:
I am guessing that CC has decided not to promote any of the current staff, and to bring in an outsider, so maybe Dulce doesn't want a full week, if it's not an audition for the actual job? I would still like to see her do it, because I think I'd enjoy it. But not if it feels meaningless to her.
I would think any of them would want at least some time behind the desk as solo host because it would be something that could add to their reel for future projects/auditions. Dulce is one of my favorite correspondents, so I want her to do a full week for the purely selfish reason that I throughly enjoy her work.
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S02.E02: Some Sort of Trick
in The Gilded Age
I don't think she needs money since she can afford a massive renovation of her house. My money is on lonely and horny (or as they might have put it, in need of male companionship).