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4 hours ago, mariah23 said:
Since Coyote vs. ACME is in the news, why not?
Also, TCM should get the rights to Looney Tunes to show on their channel! I won’t give that idea up!
TCM is part of Warner Discovery. I think the old Looney Tunes cartoons are also part of Warner Discovery, so it doesn't seem like it would be that hard to do.
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7 hours ago, Camera One said:
In real life, June is 43 while Freddie is 36, so that's not too far off. I'm not sure how old Freddie is supposed to be on the show.
There's also a bigger age difference between Freddie and Olivia (head of dept) than Freddie and June, and I find the crush she has on Freddie to be rather cringey and unfunny.
In that case, Freddie and June dating would not make anyone look or think twice about the relationship. It's totally appropriate.
Part of the reason the crush Olivia has on Freddie is cringey and unfunny is that she is not attracted to him as a person. He's a hot firefighter. It's seeing him as more of an object than an actual person she is attracted to and would like to have a relationship with.
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On 11/7/2023 at 3:48 PM, paigow said:
ETA: Did the male Ski Instructor fall in love with Niles?
While the make ski instructor fell in love with Niles, Niles did not feel the same way about the ski instructor.
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15 hours ago, Yeah No said:
It may be typical of a man like Frasier who is motivated to boost his ego with a younger woman but the show itself doesn't have to put forth that older man/younger woman trope at all when meanwhile it would likely never show the reverse situation or make a woman who "robs the cradle" look like some sort of "cougar" or wacko.
How old was June supposed to be and what is the age difference between June and Freddie? Depending on the age difference, she is old enough to be a "cougar," but I think you have a point. The idea of Frasier being with her is clearly presented as an older man trying recapture lost youth with a younger woman, or prove that he is still desirable to a younger woman. However, there was none of that type of dynamic in reverse with Freddie and June. The age difference was a non-issue. I'm not sure why.
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4 hours ago, ChlcGal said:
Bertha and George were the outliers, being so in love as they are.
My understanding is that among the upper classes, marrying for love was unusual. Marriages among the upper classes were about position, status, uniting families with a common interest that might be financially beneficial for the men's businesses interests.
However, among the less affluent marrying for love was more common and accepted. When George and Bertha married, he was not wealthy and neither came from money. It seems she was with him from the start and he built every dollar and scent of his fortune with her support and encouragement.
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19 hours ago, Noneofyourbusiness said:
Girl ain't remotely old.
No, but I think there's enough of an age difference for the women to gossip and say horrible things about her. My comments were based on what the women might say vs. what the men might say discussing the exact same situation.
2 hours ago, sistermagpie said:Given what I've seen of George, I think he'd tell Bertha. This is not a guy that submits to blackmail, particularly of something he didn't do. It's not like people wouldn't believe him publicly if he told them what really happened, given that Turner quickly slept with/married the next rich guy she worked near.
I agree. George would tell Bertha, and they would work together to completely destroy her.
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14 hours ago, Irlandesa said:
I am glad they explained how neither could know even the name of their date but I did think it was a little silly that they couldn't ask her. That didn't make sense.
They decided to call Eve at one point and tell her that June was there, but they were not sure which of them June was there to date. They didn't get through because Eve's phone was off or on silent mode because it was in the middle of the play.
14 hours ago, Irlandesa said:Martin dated and even dated younger women, but he was never shown to treat women as if they were a validation of his ego. If he was interested in them, it was because he was interested in who they were.
Frasier regularly looks at women as something to feed his ego, and it has cost him relationships before. That's what happened tonight. Instead of asking himself how he could have treated both women as adults and explained the situation about the date confusion, he tried to hang onto both through deception. He also got smug that both were into him--although I'd argue Date #2 didn't know enough about him to know for sure. He should have just gone with his original date, and if they didn't click, reach out to Freddy's date.
This is absolutely one of the most brilliant and insightful comments I have read about a television show on these boards. Frasier looks to women to validate himself and boost his ego. Martin treated women as people. Martin looked to women for romance and companionship.
5 hours ago, paigow said:Frasier finds himself on the short list for Golden Bachelor but loses to...
- Sam
- Cliff
- ???
Norm or Woody if they are (very sadly) widowers. If I can a list a character from Frasier, Cam Winston would be the ultimate insult to injury and make Frasier the most upset.
1 hour ago, baldryanr said:Frasier (and Kelsey Grammer) is rich and famous, so he wouldn't exactly be going outside the box by dating women who are younger. If all he wants is young arm candy then he shouldn't have any trouble getting it.
I don't think he wants pure arm candy. Frasier wants love, romance, and a real relationship, but he also wants that with someone young and gorgeous who will give his ego a boost.
So far, this was my favorite episode of the reboot series. Much as it pains me to write this, maybe the series is better off without David as a regular character.
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10 hours ago, Roseanna said:
While it's in itself good that the younger generation has a good relationship with each other regardless of if their parents belong to the "old" or "new" money, but that also means that their interaction hasn't anything to base a drama on.
It could present an interesting contrast. You have all this drama of Old Money vs. New Money among the adults, especially the women (wives and mothers), and the younger generation has a completely separate point of view which could be fun to explore. Plus you have the potential for relationship drama among the younger generation in terms of gossip about invitations, who people danced with, possibly seating arrangements (where people were seated at a dinner party).
You have the adults playing matchmaker for the young women, you have the young men trying to strategize, and there are absolutely interesting stories there. We are getting them from the perspective of the older generation, but I would love to see the perspective switch every now and then and show us the younger generation's perspective more often.
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I thought the musical remake deserved a separate thread/topic.
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19 hours ago, tennisgurl said:
I'm sorry, "not your mothers Mean Girls?" "YOUR MOTHER'S!??!"
*descends into Millennial existential crisis*
If the lead characters got married had had children right after finishing college, it's possible and the edge of plausible. What this ignores is that women, especially from higher income families (which the lead characters in Mean Girls absolutely are) tend to get married later and start having children later in life.
In terms of real life, none of the Millennials I know have children yet who are teenagers. Most of the Millennials I know do not have children at all. I think this is just an epic marketing tagline fail.
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22 hours ago, Affogato said:
Yes, it really is a stretch. I can see him doing an apprenticeship of sorts and meeting someone there, you know, as part of his studies.
I love this idea and wish it was what happened. It makes perfect sense and still allows the plot to play out exactly as it did. It still allows Larry to meet and develop a relationship with Mrs. Blaine (the widow).
2 hours ago, AntFTW said:I think the children, as far as we've seen, don't care as much as their parents about social status. I'm applying all of the Old Money children as well. Oscar and Carrie Astor don't seem to care that Larry and Gladys are new money.
The children aren't having a hard time blending in socially but the adults are (Bertha specifically). Larry is all over Newport, being invited to social events and dinners in New York and Bertha initially wasn't. The Russell children don't seem to have a difficult time fitting in with the Old Money children.
This is something I wish the series would do more of. I want to see more of the younger generation interacting with each other. I want conversations of how the younger generation views each other because as you pointed out, the Old Money vs. New Money divide that seems all important to the older generation does not seem to matter much to the younger generation at all.
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1 hour ago, Sakura12 said:
I wonder what other designs the Widow has on Larry. Does she need money? Or is she just lonely and horny.
I don't think she needs money since she can afford a massive renovation of her house. My money is on lonely and horny (or as they might have put it, in need of male companionship).
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7 hours ago, Haleth said:
George and Bertha may both be ruthless and borderline villains when it comes to getting what they want, but man, they can't keep their hands off each other. It's nice to see a long married couple who still are crazy about each other. The way he looks at her? Smoldering.
Absolutely! Individually, I think George and Bertha are horrible people, but I totally love them as a couple. It's fantastic the way they are there for each other and support each other. The second one really needs help from the other, it's "what can do I?" Aside from Gladys, they are a united front.
I think this is part of why George feels so strongly about a love match for Gladys. He knows the importance of passion and devotion and what a difference it can make if the marriage is a partnership, not an obligation or an arrangement entered into for the sake of convenience.
6 hours ago, Roseanna said:Or maybe the priest is interested in her also? So far we don't know anything about him, except that he has until now been a mama's boy - suspicious or not?
The minister could be gay. At this point I'm not saying for absolute certain, but I'm also not willing to rule out the possibility that he might be. I think he is interested in her on some level, whether it's friendship or something more. If he is gay, Ada is a brilliant choice for a wife. No one would expect children.
4 hours ago, chaifan said:I was sort of hoping for the minister to woo Agnes, just so we could see a different side of her. Would it be socially acceptable for Ada to be wooed by a minister? I don't know where they fit in in the social structure of the day.
They are both single and more than enough time has passed for Ada to remarry without anyone commenting about it's too soon after her husband died. They cannot expect him to marry without courting and socializing, so some wooing would be allowed. Financially, it would be a massive step down for Ada, but it would be an acceptable marriage. It would not cause a scandal and I do not think Ada would be snubbed. Anything she would have been invited to before the marriage, she would probably be invited to after the marriage.
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5 hours ago, SmithW6079 said:
So David is straight? Thirty years after gay coding Niles and Frasier, they couldn't create a out gay main character?
Focusing on the original series, I thought part of the point was that it was deconstructing the stereotypes. Straight men can like fancy foods, wine, opera, classical music, and musicals. It isn't always as easy to tell who is straight and who is gay based on superficial things like interests and other elements of personality.
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9 hours ago, RachelKM said:
You should not be caught having an affair. But widows did have a degree of freedom and if they remained discrete, rumors of a not too scandalous nature could be tolerated. It would a little bit depend on her own background as well. If she were not from the old money crowd, she'd be viewed as "reverting to type."
That said, an affair with a man half her age with whom she was publicly seen and of whom she was demonstrably possessive is the antithesis of discrete.
What I meant was what the gossip would be if the affair became known. What the conversation among the men in their club (or wherever they might discuss it) would be talking about Larry and what the conversation among the women in their parlor would be talking about the widow.
7 hours ago, tennisgurl said:Is there some kind of secret newspaper for LGBTQ people lookin for beards? He could marry a nice respectable lesbian looking for a husband who wont be lookin for much from her beyond appearances!
This would be the absolute best case scenario for both people involved. Gays and lesbians existed in the late 1880s and people were under tremendous pressure to marry so the idea of a beard doesn't seem completely outside the realm of possibility. Someone gay marrying a lesbian seems like the absolute edge of plausible, but possible. I could picture friends of friends who know people making discrete inquiries to make it happen and help them find each other.
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13 hours ago, Sailorgirl26 said:
So now we've got Laura Benanti added to the list of Broadway stars in this show, AND a plot around an opera house -- if we don't get some sort of fundraiser where they all sing to raise money (and somehow figure out how to get Audra McDonald in there), I will be HIGHLY disappointed!
My guess is we will see Audra McDonald show off her musical talent but it will be at home. It will be her practicing for a church or some other type of event, or maybe just playing for fun. Singing and playing the right kind of songs was considered proper and a sign of good breeding for a lady, so it would make sense.
12 hours ago, Camera One said:Mr. Russell is promising his daughter to back her if she falls in love.
That surprised me at first, but it does make sense. Mr. Russel knows how important his wife is to his successes, and the fact they love each other and will do anything for each other is part of that. It was not a marriage of convince where each is just playing their part. They are fiercely devoted to each other, and Mr. Russell wants that for his daughter.
9 hours ago, Roseanna said:We don't even know if Mr Russell knows that Oscar is gay, but we do know that he has from the beginning suspected that Oscar is a fortune hunter.
This is going to cause problems. Mr. Russell does not want this daughter to marry a fortune hunter. Mrs. Russell would probably be okay with it if the man had a title or prestige.
3 hours ago, Brn2bwild said:I wonder if George's promise to back Gladys with regard to whomever she loves will blow up in his face.
I am pretty sure this is going to lead to a massive shouting screaming match between the couple. This is going to be a fight that will be loud and heard by every servant in the house.
1 hour ago, iMonrey said:Agreed. It's Mrs. Blaine who would suffer if this became a scandal
Absolutely. From the perspective of the time, Larry was just a young man sowing his wild oats and having a fling. It's what young men did, although he should have been a bit more discrete about his choice of partners. Mrs. Blaine would be a pathetic old woman chasing after a younger man trying to recapture her lost youth. Also, a widow should not be having affairs. She should wait until she is married again.
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1 hour ago, chaifan said:
This comment was about Oscar & Agnes. I'm glad we actually have an age for Oscar. Oliver being 40 is more realistic than some of our guesses of late 20's or early 30's, as Agnes is in the 70-ish age range. But, at the same time, it's slightly unrealistic, as it would make Agnes a first time mother at about 30 in the mid 1800's. It would make more sense for Agnes to have had a kid in her 20's, and Oscar to be 50.
Getting pregnant at 30 is possible. Given the time period (the 1800s) I found it highly plausible that she had other children who did not survive. In other words, there were other children, he was just the first to survive and grow up to become an adult.
1 hour ago, chaifan said:And, a 40 year old that doesn't have any type of job and just lives off his mother. wow, what a catch. /s
I could have sworn he worked in a bank. We never see him at work, but I am almost sure he has a decent respectable job.
1 hour ago, chaifan said:This is one of those things that just bugs me, because it would have been so easy to write and cast around these issues. The character of Oscar could have been a nephew or even great nephew of Agnes, and been aged in his late 20's. He could still be her sole heir, maybe even a ward or adopted son, with a backstory of his parents dying early in his life and Agnes taking him in as her own. I could understand how Fellowes really wanted Christine Baranski as his Agnes, but I feel Oscar - at any age - could be played by just about anyone.
I agree with this. I think nephew or great nephew would work best. People did tend to have larger families.
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10 hours ago, Roseanna said:
I find there could be much potential about the Black middle class family living in the 1880ies in Brooklyn and Peggy's dream to publish a novel. I guess Peggy's father's clinging to success and good reputation is a reaction to past humilation (wasn't his father a slave who was sold?). The family's story would make an intresting spin-off but of course Fellowes isn't the right person to create it.
I am all for this hypothetical prequel/spin-off. I would love for the historical consultant Fellowes is using for Peggy's storyline to get her own show so she can do a deeper dive into this world. I would love a prequel about Peggy's father building his business, starting a family, and becoming a member of the Black elite. It could also include Peggy's life pre-baby drama.
6 hours ago, chaifan said:From the Season 1 final episode, I was sure we were heading for an entire season of Peggy searching for her baby. And I was so not looking forward to that. While I think the resolution came out of nowhere and was wrapped up in record time, I'm glad we're done with it. It would have bored me to tears. The character, and the actress, deserve a better story line than that.
Huge YES to this. The character deserves so much better and there are so many more interesting storylines and aspects of this era to explore through Peggy. I am glad the writers' realized their mistake and corrected it pretty quickly.
6 hours ago, chaifan said:I think it would be interesting to see Bertha finally relent, allow Oscar as a suitor, they become engaged, and then Bertha and/or George learn Oscar's secret. Breaking off an engagement is a society no no, so how would they get through that? Or do they allow the marriage, joining in on the deceit? That would provide the needed vulnerability...
Maybe. George would have to make clear to Oscar that no scandal or indiscretion would be tolerated (per his wife's request). Oscar would have to be very careful, and produce children.
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I may regret posting this, because everybody has different tastes, and comedy is somewhat subjective, but I am curious who is on your shortlist (if you have) for permanent host? Based on who we have seen so far, who do you want to be the new host?
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I liked this episode. Toning down David was a huge step in the right direction. I can believe Niles telling him stories (lies) about what a ladies' man he was, but I'm not sure I believe that Daphne wouldn't find out and set her son straight telling him the truth in a kind way.
Frasier's plot was great. I loved Alan wearing the gauntlet and coming up with different uses for it over the night.
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Charlamagne is now on my short list of people who I hope become the new host. I did not know that much about him, but I enjoyed his week.
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11 hours ago, Anela said:
I watched the original as a kid, and if it was hulu that started as one of those sites, offering shows like this for free, I think I watched some of it there, in 2009.
It was probably Hulu. They started off as a free service with tons of shows from the 1980s and modern series from Fox and another network that appeared on Hulu the day after they aired. If it was 2009, the timing works about right for it to be Hulu.
16 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:I remember the show, and as cheesy as it was, was more believable than the snippet I saw of this trailer.
I agree. The show wasn't really about the movie industry, actors or celebrities. It was more like a low-rent A Team. Colt Seavers was a bounty hunter, which was how he made money in between gigs as a stuntman. There was his cousin who had studied a semester of just about everything in almost every college/university. There was a woman, but I cannot remember what her role was. The trailer for the A-Team movie looked awesome and made me want to see the movie. After seeing this trailer, I have no desire to see the movie.
Back when IMDb still had message boards, someone rewrote the theme song lyrics to "The Unknown Stuntman" with modern celebrities and it was awesome. It's a shame that won't be part of this version.
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7 hours ago, Roseanna said:
I understand that Fellowes wants to merge characters' plots, but could they really be friends in 1880s and even sat together in restaurants?
Legally, yes, because I do not think New York had laws on the books at that time regarding racial segregation that were being enforced. Whether or not it would be socially acceptable is a different issue. I would say probably not. There may be circumstances in which it would be acceptable, but I cannot come up with one.
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5 hours ago, Roseanna said:
The common theme seems to be the relations between parents or guardians and daughters. (There are also sons but they have it easy.)
I agree and would add it's also about how the parental relationships are different when it's a daughter as opposed to the sons. As you pointed out, the sons have significantly more freedom. They are supposed to earn money and avoid public scandals. This includes the woman they marry. As long as she is not someone who will ruin the family's reputation or position in society, they have options.
With daughters, who they marry determines the rest of their life. It will determine their place in society and their entire economic future.
I still want scenes of just the younger generation interacting with each other. I want to see the dynamic is when you have Marion, Oscar, Gladys and Larry in a room together, like at a party or some event.
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Mean Girls (2024)
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Especially since the fact that it is a musical is part of its reason for existing. It is not a shot for shot remake of the 2004 version. This is an adaptation of the Broadway Musical, which has some differences from the original movie.