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IMO that's why it's important to support it. There is always a chance. I mean CBS is on board in some capacity as well, there is always a chance it could even end up on Paramount+, you never can tell but what we can do is show them it would be worth their while. And even if it's 13 and done, make it a show that was great and was doing really well, building an audience and fanbase but other stuff got in the way, not an "oh well would have gotten cancelled anyway"(because it most likely wouldn't, it's got the second best Demos on the network, under other circumstances this was pretty much a guaranteed renewal)

Exactly stop putting it in it's grave when nothing of the sort has happened. Esp because even if CW does stop doing scripted series, good ratings and a good fanbase(which is the show is starting to develop for it's own sake) makes it that much more likely it might get picked up elsewhere. So watch it live, stream it on the app, watch it on DVR, buy it from Youtube or Amazon(depending on the country), any combination of those things, and being supportive. Also I'm pretty sure they are shooting until December.

Yeah The Winchesters is actually doing quite well esp when you consider the Verizon dust up and this week it was against the World Series. I wouldn't make any assumptions. All we have right now is that they are doing a 13 episode first season.

Well Loki is Gabriel but yeah he's certainly not going to say "oh by the way I'm Gabriel cleverly disguising myself as Loki"

I can't remember was it her or was it her friend? I think she came with a friend anyway?

I know. Every once in a while while watching her fate pops into my head and it's just so much sadder. It was always a sad thing but like you said more abstract. That's a good point. I wouldn't be surprised.

I loved this episode, thought it was the strongest yet. Robbie Thompson said in an interview that when he read this one he felt like they'd hit the sweet spot and I agree. Actually a strength I've felt about the show since the beginning is that it feels like just like the same universe as SPN. Different characters sure, but I have no trouble believing this is a 1970's version of the world we saw in SPN set in the 2000's. I loved Mary's neighbor kids - I really cared about what happened to them esp because it was so clear that Mary cared about them, I cared for their own and her sake. And I loved that they had their priorities straight - when they found out how to go home, they just did it. I think we're supposed to be getting the hint with John is that he's very impulsive. He and Betty were really young, even for that time, and he asked her to marry him. He was moving way too fast. He's known Mary probably a couple of months now(it had been a few weeks between the pilot and last week's episode, let's say another week or so here) and he's absolutely desperate that he'll lose her. In another sense, he ran off and joined the military instead of finishing high school(leaving behind both his mother and Betty) - which in a way, just shows little Dean had good reason to worry if he wasn't up to snuff and didn't take care of things and didn't listen to his dad, John might just ditch them, Dean always had good instincts). Both scenes between them on the CB's were very affecting, even if he is moving way too fast, John was clearly desperate about it and Mary was determined to save those kids. They really do have a lot of chemistry. Her fear of not knowing what she was without hunting and what she would do with her life was also done really well, I teared up a bit. Actually John's words "none of this works without Mary" did make me wonder if JOHN might be the reason for the changes, is it something HE did to try and change the past, even if his younger self isn't entirely aware, there may be a sense of it. It's also interesting that all these different types of monsters, it's NOT normal - they are connected to the overarching storyline - there aren't supposed to be all these farflung monsters showing up. Are the Akrida responsible for it or are they just trying to use it to their advantage? How is that connected to what is going on? Also for reference a 1972 graduating class of policewoman in 1972, I believe this is in Missouri so not to far away from Kansas. When was Betty on patrol alone?

I don't think they'd pick fun at SPN with a thing like that - it's one thing to do little easter eggs like "never faced a werewolf before" or "salt for protection from demons" but this is something that informs Beau's character

That was a great moment and it didn't seem like Luke caught it, I think he thought they already knew about the 15 million which is why he just blurted it out, but that look in her eyes, it was a surprise to her(and a pleasant one from her expression). Luke may have just gotten himself into even worse trouble than he was already in. Me too, I noticed Beau called Poppernak by his proper name when he was in jeopardy which I thought was great and was suitably impressed by his priorities and sensitivity. Beau and Jenny's scene at the end while Poppernak got more beers was also nice. I think there is something with Beau's much mentioned but never seen or heard from brother - that whole thing about relationships being a two way street even with family, maybe esp with family. I wonder if his brother got mixed up with a cartel and either killed by them or maybe Beau was put in a situation where HE was forced to kill him to protect other people?

Demetria McKenney who plays Ada is 43 years old, which would make her in her late 20's when she worked with Henry, probably around his own age. Bianca Kajlich who plays Millie is just a couple years older. I was definitely watching Abbott and Costello movies at 4 years old, actually I think my favorite was Hold That Ghost! LOL With regards to Meg's Mary, I find she is sweet, it's just not right on the surface and she's been mostly supportive and encouraging of John after her initial attempts to put him off hunting, she apologizes when she's wrong, etc. And she clearly does love her friends, even if she rolls her eyes sometimes. No one is Dean Winchester, he's an iconic, one of a kind character, none of them are going to really be "the Dean" of the show. So the fact that Meg's Mary isn't one for one like Dean doesn't make it a flaw in the portrayal or the character, neither John nor Mary is going to be a one for one match with either of their future children. John's less talking more punching wasn't particularly Sam-like either. Meg's Mary definitely imo seems nicer than Sam's Mary once she returned, which is really the only time we saw her as a character.

I don't think anything in the show itself says he's writing to Sam. Unless it was mentioned by Robbie or Jensen(I don't know), I think that's just kind of an assumption people have made. In the older script drafts I've seen - he's not writing to Sam because Sam is there. In those drafts the show is set in the time between when they defeated Chuck and when Dean died, because Miracle was also there and Dean literally mentions Sam. I'm pretty sure they've changed that now but I don't think they've necessarily changed the fact that he isn't writing it to Sam.

Absolutely. He's there, he's knowledgeable and actually seems to me to kind of be the most mature of the 4 of them. His personality is flamboyant but in a way that fits the whole hippie, free love spirit of the time, not with any particular sexuality. Esp for the time, nowadays yeah there is this heavy puritanical streak everyone seems to have going but it was different in the early 70s when even serious businessmen often had sideburns and hair reaching to their collars(long hair by today's standards) and everyone was experimenting My comment was on the notion presented that a bisexual simply existing was SJW preaching. I feel like it's the opposite as the show presents it, Carlos is a character like any other who just happens to be bisexual and played by a non-binary actor - of course his sexuality is part of him but not the only part or the most important part. Carlos is as I said, to me anyway, seems the most mature and most knowledgeable. And even that is kind of a refreshing change, yeah he's the most knowledge and most mature but he's not "boring" because of it, he's not a stick on the mud, etc like the "mature" one would usually be played as.

I'm sorry? Carlos just...existing(which is literally all he does, he exists, no one comments about him one way or the other, he's there, he is who he is..)..is somehow SJW preaching?

Except we know that it's all going to match up eventually, canon isn't going to change, so no that doesn't have to happen and there are plenty of ways for that to happen that are in keeping with canon. This John and Mary are still John and Mary, their personalities are still essentially the same so yeah they can still influence Dean and Sam. But even so, John didn't need to not know about hunting and monsters for him to turn into an abusive asshole after she died because he was so focused on revenge. That absolutely isn't necessary. John could know about hunting and react in exactly the same way. To compare it to other stories it's like one of those fantasy stories where the kid or the teenager is always arguing with their mother or father, usually mother or father is very serious, working all the time, etc, etc then they somehow find themselves meeting their parent's younger self, maybe when they were around the same age as they are now, and the parent is much more lighthearted and funloving or adventurous, etc Why? Because life changed them or they let life change them into the parent the kid knows. Or heck speaking of the specific era, how often was there story about the parent who was a hippie free spirit but by the 80's when their teenager knows them, they've become some Yuppie who is all about appearances and making money? Usually involved an old friend stopping by who was still a hippie free spirit or finding an old photo album or diary and them finding out what their parents were like when they were young(Being a teenager in the 80s I remember plenty of shows or movies with an episode or storyline like that, it wasn't all Family Ties with the conservative kids and the hippie parents) That's essentially what we are seeing here.

Big Sky isn't the sort of show you really look for logic in. It's escapism. and it is more about the mystery and the relationships between the characters, good and bad guys. I like the way this season seems to be working on themes. The biggest one seems to be parents and children, how parents hurt or try to protect their children, how children are affected by it(even once grown). Even the cases of the week have largely fit into that theme. Jenny and her mother, Beau and his daughter, Sunny and her son(s - but she doesn't seem to care much about what's going on with Cormac), etc. Everyone in that camp is shady as hell. LOL OK not everyone but I guess crazy attracts crazy. I agree with whoever up above said they don't think Buck is making it out of this season, though I don't know about Sunny either. I feel like Walter might end up killing her.

I don't know I guess actually seeing smoke come out of some guys mouth after his eyes turned black was convincing enough for him. And from what I can tell, John WANTS to be believe, so to speak. He came back from the war and he needs something else and this came along. It gives him a purpose, something important, something unique and it ties him to the father who he thought abandoned him but who as it now turns out seems to have had some higher purpose. His mom knew about the Men of Letters but it doesn't seem like she actually knew a lot of details and she didn't know he'd died and hadn't just taken off. She herself may well have had some thoughts of "If only I'd said "I love you" maybe he wouldn't have left", people of any age can be susceptible to that sort of thinking. The show is the devolution of John Winchester to some extent so I think we'll see that maybe it isn't so healthy for him to have gotten into it so quickly and with so little convincing.

I thought it was well known but apparently not. Right now Verizon Fios and Nextstar are in the midst of a major disagreement, as they could not come to terms, Verizon has dropped 13 CW stations in East Coast markets with millions of potential viewers. I thought the Monster of the Week felt very early seasons, not later seasons. Supernatural started off with monsters of the week, every week for most of the first couple seasons. They haven't been a team for years but Mary, Carlos and Lata have worked together before and seem to know each other quite well, John's really the only new element to the group.

Regarding Momster Millie's words, little kids who are abandoned by a parent or whose parent dies, often think it's because THEY did something wrong. Even though there is no sensible reason for them to believe it, that's how they feel. That if only they had been better or hadn't eaten that candy they were told not to eat, somehow that would saved their parent or kept their parent from leaving, so if John on some subconscious level believed Henry left because somehow John wasn't good enough, that would actually be pretty normal. And shows The Winchesters is considering the psychological side of all this, which is in keeping with Supernatural back then. I don't think Mary is presented without flaws, she already made mistakes in this episode, she was called out and she apologized, kind of the opposite of a Mary Sue. The difference between this and Original recipe SPN is that so far they aren't trying to paint anyone as the bad guy. John may be Sam-like but one thing he doesn't have so far is smugness. Mary had a couple of scenes where she was really sweet, the one in the van after the Zombie hunt esp comes to mind - John was upset by how he'd done in the hunt, she noticed, asked him how he was and supported and encouraged him. And yeah Dean wasn't really a big eye-roller esp early on, before all the good writers left and we were left with newbies who seemed to not realize that Dean UNDERMINED the stereotype of the type of character he appeared to be on the surface, he wasn't an example of it.

LOL Lots of us seemed to be thinking that because me too. That's because Robbie isn't lazy. They aren't looking for an easy way to cause "drama" just for the sake of drama. The character conflicts mean something.

I was thinking this too the only thing that kind of made me go maybe not is that wouldn't Paige and Luke recognize him? Beau would certainly know what company Avery owned. I have to imagine it would an indirectly connection like maybe Avery's company did work for the other company but he isn't actually someone anyone would know was connected to.

There is time yet. I doubt it's going to be smooth sailing from here. Besides I always kind of assumed, headcanon admittedly but not actually impossible, the Cupid screwed it up himself. (and it was a second hand story anyway the Cupid we met wasn't the Cupid who "worked" on them). Clearly Cupids aren't brightest angels of the bunch. And Winchesters never make things easy. LOL They always have to react differently than "normal" people would. I basically figured John and Mary were attracted to each other but the Cupid actually made it harder for them and they ended up getting together in spite of the Cupid's interference, not because of it. I mean literally everything else, except that couple sentences from this Cupid, including both of their own memories of and reactions to each other was that they loved each other deeply, sure they had ups and downs but that's normal, esp for two damaged people like they were for reasons that had little to do with each other but it doesn't mean they didn't love each other. I'm not going to put so much stock in a comic relief character from Season 5 who was telling a second hand story. Deanna wasn't mentioned yet but I'm sure she will be.

That's exactly how I feel. This is fun. It hasn't been fun speculating about Supernatural for years before the show ended. Just a feeling of dread and what were they going to try and ruin next? But this is great, esp because right now everything is open and there are so many possibilities.

I knew it. I think he also did it in a vampire episode or something, maybe? To attract the vampire so it could be killed? But in any case hopefully these kids will learn quickly it's better NOT to cut your palm.

God I love that idea, how do you think Dean gets involved? How is he the one who either is approached or who recognizes something is happening himself?

LOL That's true, and it's like every show ever. It would hurt like a bitch and make it pretty much intensely painful to use that hand for weeks. They could cut the top side of their arms or depending on how much blood they need a finger(but fingers can be a pain in the butt too, if you have to do anything with your hands and even just washing your hands the bandages will get wet). Actually come to think of it, I think Dean did cut his arm once rather than his hand. I'm getting a vague vision of Dean in an earlier season episode cutting his arm when they needed blood for something or maybe it was blood to attract something?